Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Melissa Rivera5 said:I guess it's just easier to deter than it is to actually save someone 🙂

Then what on earth are we even paying to maintain those nuclear silos for? If the first Russian boot hits our soil, we might as well just wipe Boston right off the map. Honestly, in my book, that’s probably the cheapest option. ☕

Nathan Evans78 said:Then what on earth are we even paying to maintain those nuclear silos for? If the first Russian boot hits our soil, we might as well just wipe Boston right off the map. Honestly, in my book, that’s probably the cheapest option. ☕

That is exactly how Antony Blinken, Zaharov, and their whole crew think. Clearly, you're following the right school of thought there.

Terry Green3 said:If NATO pulls a move like that between May 5th and 12th, we’re heading straight for an open conflict. Nobody is going to foot that bill—it’s just common sense. So, I'd say it's unlikely.

Are Turks and Greeks really going to send their brigades while they’re still at each other's throats?
The Britons might, but Johnson is fighting for his political life in Parliament right now.
Macron? Unlikely, not after those recent election results.
The Germans won't be sending mass numbers, given their history.
The Italians... well...
As for the US, with everything happening domestically and having spent two decades bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, sending a massive new contingent overseas is a huge gamble.

The likely scenario? They'll count all the forces from Romania and Poland toward that 300,000 figure, add another 50,000 from various other countries to the current 40,000, and claim they have 300,000 combat-ready troops at any given moment.
We'll see if they actually walk the walk.

It seems you haven't realized that we are already at that "5 to 12" threshold.
What else would the Russians even need to do?

The friction between Turks and Greeks was ten times worse during the Cold War.
BoJo basically handed the win to the Democrats in the elections. Who's actually breathing down his neck?
What's Macron going to do? Claim France will defend itself within French borders even if the Russians reach the Rhine?
Those two American tours over the last twenty years were war tours. This isn't a militia; it's a professional military. Whether they are stationed in Wyoming or Prague, it's all the same to them.
Nobody is asking the Germans for anything while those former Putin puppets are in power. Scholz already knows he's a lame duck once his term ends, and it's doubtful the Democratic Party will fare any better than the wreckage of the Democratic Party here in America. After all, it's a nation that is 100% dependent on US and UK military aid because they can't defend themselves against anyone. They barely even have an army.

Nathan Evans78 said:Then what on earth are we even paying to maintain those nuclear silos for? If the first Russian boot hits our soil, we might as well just wipe Boston right off the map. Honestly, in my book, that’s probably the cheapest option. ☕

Cheapest, sure, but who knows where that leads. Right now, we're just keeping them from even thinking about stepping foot on our territory—because if they do, then yeah, we erase Minsk.

Jessica Peterson2 said:Russia just launched a missile strike at a massive shopping mall right in the heart of Cleveland. Early estimates suggest there could have been as many as a thousand people inside when the explosions went off.
The Kremlin-controlled media outlets were quick to spin it, calling the whole thing nothing more than a "Buca-2 theatrical performance." 🤦
You can find more details on the Nexta Live Telegram channel (I'm never quite sure how to format these links properly)

So basically, the narrative is shifting again toward Ukrainians killing their own people?

George Robinson43 said:It seems you haven't realized that we are already at that "5 to 12" threshold.
What else would the Russians even need to do?

The friction between Turks and Greeks was ten times worse during the Cold War.
BoJo basically handed the win to the Democrats in the elections. Who's actually breathing down his neck?
What's Macron going to do? Claim France will defend itself within French borders even if the Russians reach the Rhine?
Those two American tours over the last twenty years were war tours. This isn't a militia; it's a professional military. Whether they are stationed in Wyoming or Prague, it's all the same to them.
Nobody is asking the Germans for anything while those former Putin puppets are in power. Scholz already knows he's a lame duck once his term ends, and it's doubtful the Democratic Party will fare any better than the wreckage of the Democratic Party here in America. After all, it's a nation that is 100% dependent on US and UK military aid because they can't defend themselves against anyone. They barely even have an army.

I’d just add that this isn't even really a partisan issue over in the UK.

Whether you're a Republican, a Democrat, a Green, or part of the SNP, everyone would love to take a bite out of the Russians.

Well, maybe someone from the Isle of Man would disagree, but they've got plenty of reasons for it. ☕

Terry Green3 said:How are the communists viewing this situation? Are they making noise in the media or what? You probably know best through the local news...
I assume if they were actually being asked anything, mobilization would have already been declared.

True, but they wouldn't be sending their sons. Those kids would either be studying abroad or would be too physically frail to participate.

Arthur Miller7 said:That is exactly how Antony Blinken, Zaharov, and their whole crew think. Clearly, you're following the right school of thought there.

Honestly, I highly doubt Lavrov, Zaharov, and the rest of that gang were the ones who actually cooked up deterrence theory.

Billions of dollars have been poured into nuclear weapons development specifically to prevent the exact scenario you're describing—so that, according to your logic, we don't end up with millions of soldiers stuck on the Baltic in 2022 or 2023 fighting trench warfare like it was 1945. You certainly have an interesting perspective on things. 🤣

Nathan Evans78 said:Honestly, I highly doubt Lavrov, Zaharov, and the rest of that gang were the ones who actually cooked up deterrence theory.

Billions of dollars have been poured into nuclear weapons development specifically to prevent the exact scenario you're describing—so that, according to your logic, we don't end up with millions of soldiers stuck on the Baltic in 2022 or 2023 fighting trench warfare like it was 1945. You certainly have an interesting perspective on things. 🤣

The whole point of nuclear weapons is so they DON'T get used, mostly out of fear of what happens if they do.

Melissa Rivera5 said:The whole point of nuclear weapons is so they DON'T get used, mostly out of fear of what happens if they do.

Sure, nuclear weapons work great against anyone who doesn't have them—but for the person holding the trigger? It's nothing more than a suicide pact.

And let’s face it: the world is a massive place, and it's crawling with maniacs who wouldn't mind taking themselves out in one go.

Melissa Rivera5 said:The whole point of nuclear weapons is so they DON'T get used, mostly out of fear of what happens if they do.

So, according to your theory, they’re just sitting there collecting dust? If that's the case, why was Kennedy walking on eggshells during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Look, sure, leaders can pull back before things get out of hand, but if we see Russian boots stepping into the EU, who’s to say they won't simultaneously decide to launch something from a silo? I mean, if we're already heading toward SBKBB, why take the risk?

Nathan Evans78 said:How does the narrative shift so abruptly? One minute we’re hearing that we need a million highly trained soldiers just to hold the line against a massive Russian army, and then you look at what's happening out east in Ukraine, where they're struggling with just 50,000 defenders. It feels inconsistent. Not even a month ago, I was reading right here that the Americans would be marching all the way to Seattle with their own 150,000 troops and heavy equipment. 🍿

The real question is, can the Russians actually churn out another 300k PROFESSIONAL soldiers to even stand a chance against those NATO numbers?...😁

Nathan Evans78 said:So, according to your theory, they’re just sitting there collecting dust? If that's the case, why was Kennedy walking on eggshells during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Look, sure, leaders can pull back before things get out of hand, but if we see Russian boots stepping into the EU, who’s to say they won't simultaneously decide to launch something from a silo? I mean, if we're already heading toward SBKBB, why take the risk?

That’s not even really my theory, man—that’s just how MAD works. Mutually Assured Destruction, you know? If anyone starts throwing nukes, they're getting hit right back in a second or third strike, and then everyone's dead. Like, let's say Putin pulls off a massive attack on the UK. If that actually works, British subs would just launch their entire arsenal at Moscow, St. Petersburg, and all the other big strategic spots. You'd be looking at maybe 30 million Russians dead within 24 hours with all the major cities basically leveled... and there wouldn't be anyone left to take revenge on. 🙂 So, who wins? Honestly, nobody.

goldenowl73 said:So basically, the narrative is shifting again toward Ukrainians killing their own people?

Precisely. If you actually look at the footage, there are hardly any cars parked in front of the center, and most of the people supposedly rushing to save victims are men.

The conclusion seems pretty clear: this whole thing is nothing more than a staged hoax, much like that previous fabrication in Buca.🤦

Jessica Peterson2 said:Precisely. If you actually look at the footage, there are hardly any cars parked in front of the center, and most of the people supposedly rushing to save victims are men.

The conclusion seems pretty clear: this whole thing is nothing more than a staged hoax, much like that previous fabrication in Buca.🤦

It honestly looks like they're all coordinated up with those neighbors over on the local forums who just keep pushing the exact same narratives.

Jessica Peterson2 said:Precisely. If you actually look at the footage, there are hardly any cars parked in front of the center, and most of the people supposedly rushing to save victims are men.

The conclusion seems pretty clear: this whole thing is nothing more than a staged hoax, much like that previous fabrication in Buca.🤦

Yeah, sure, because the Russians are just hitting military targets and cleaning up Nazis... everything else was just an accident, right? I guess.😁 😵😵😵😵

goldenowl73 said:It honestly looks like they're all coordinated up with those neighbors over on the local forums who just keep pushing the exact same narratives.

On absolutely every single news site, the comments under this article are identical—it's like they all drop within two minutes of publication.

Numenorean said:Oh, really?
So, we're supposed to believe Putin always had his sights set on invading Ukraine, but for some inexplicable reason, he decided to sit on his hands back in 2014 when the Ukrainian military was disorganized and weak? Back then, the annexation of Crimea went off without a single meaningful sanction from the West, yet he waits until 2022 to pull the trigger? Why on earth would he do that? Did he just like how the numbers looked in 2022? Is this some sort of numerology thing? What's the logic here?

Exactly.
It took him a little while to digest such a massive chunk of someone else's territory, I suppose.
The occupation of Crimea and the aggression within the Luhansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine resulted in a massive hit to the Russian economy and a sudden drop in the standard of living for Russians.

And just how exactly was Putin planning to attack Ukraine?

Maybe try doing a quick search online about what actually happened on February 24th, and you might see how it all unfolded.

Terry Green3 said:Zelensky says the war needs to wrap up by winter

If he thinks he can liberate all that occupied territory before the frost hits this year, I have no idea what he's playing at.
Looks like he’s already written off Crimea...

I love Ukrainians, I really do, but even reclaiming Kherson seems like a massive stretch right now, let alone Crimea.

The war is probably going to end with them losing Slavic cities like Kramatorsk, which sucks, and then the EU will just force them into a brutal peace deal with Russia.

They'll likely be left holding onto Odessa, Sumy, and maybe Kharkiv—though even those weren't a sure thing just a few months ago.

It’s just wonderful being part of this "Russian world"... you live your life never knowing when an explosion might catch you while you're out grabbing bread and milk, or when a bomb might hit your house or where your kids go to preschool. You never know when you'll be woken up by tanks rolling down the street, or by sirens, or when you'll find yourself staring at more hollowed-out buildings in the neighborhood. You're always wondering if the darkness will swallow you whole or if you'll be deported somewhere unknown in Siberia. And there are so many fresh graves everywhere—some mass graves with no names, others Vietnam-style with rows of white crosses, scattered through gardens and backyards. There's plenty of it, and I bet there are even more of these "wonderful" things we don't know about yet. Who wouldn't want this?
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