Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, in those little picture books where everything works out perfectly, sure, anything is possible. But this is the real world. Real life doesn't work like that. It’s just not how it works. It’s like how Russia couldn't just go and set up missile silos in Cuba. To Russia, Ukraine is exactly what Cuba is to America. If someone can't see that, then they’re clearly having a hard time grasping reality. I remember reading about Cold War tensions once, and it really hit home how much geography dictates everything. It’s simple. If someone tells you, "You can go anywhere you want, just not right in front of my door," then you have two choices: you either accept that to maintain peace, or you deliberately provoke a war. So, I ask you... what is even the point of Ukraine joining NATO? Is there actually one single good reason to do it?

Where exactly does NATO have launch pads?

And when did Ukraine even apply to join NATO?

Kimberly Perez82 said:Alright, let's strip all this away and get down to the brass tacks—who actually cooked up this whole mess? And more importantly, why? If we really want to find the truth, we'll stumble upon it pretty quickly if we just look straight at it.

Wait, so Ukrainians aren't even allowed to decide their own fate? They have to ask Russia for permission on everything?
This is quite simply an act of aggression and the violent seizure of territory from Ukraine. There is no involvement by NATO, nor Nazis, nor Americans, nor Masons, nor aliens. Those are merely various excuses being fed to sheep by Eastern propaganda.
The primary objective is very straightforward: the theft of land and resources.

electrichawk94 said:Who started it? It was fine when Russia was just greasing palms and pushing their own agenda in Ukraine, but suddenly it’s an issue once other players start pushing their interests there too. One thing is crystal clear: Ukrainians wanted to head West. That's really the only part that matters.

Well, damn, talk about bad luck. It's just how it goes—it's like how Cubans wanted Soviet communism and things didn't pan out that way either. Honestly, it’s just naive to expect any nuclear superpower to sit idly by while someone else plays games right on their doorstep. Just look at how aggressive China gets whenever anyone touches their backyard. All of this is completely predictable, and we have to respect that reality, whether we're talking about the USA, Russia, or China. Besides, Ukrainian politics hasn't been exactly innocent, not since that coup happened. Of course, you have to feel for the people, but unfortunately, it's always the citizens who end up paying the price.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Well, damn, talk about bad luck. It's just how it goes—it's like how Cubans wanted Soviet communism and things didn't pan out that way either. Honestly, it’s just naive to expect any nuclear superpower to sit idly by while someone else plays games right on their doorstep. Just look at how aggressive China gets whenever anyone touches their backyard. All of this is completely predictable, and we have to respect that reality, whether we're talking about the USA, Russia, or China. Besides, Ukrainian politics hasn't been exactly innocent, not since that coup happened. Of course, you have to feel for the people, but unfortunately, it's always the citizens who end up paying the price.

Ukrainian politics is an internal matter for them. That's not some valid excuse for Kremlin-backed Nazis to invade and annex parts of a sovereign nation and threaten something as horrific as a holocaust.

Looking at those photos taken in front of the shopping mall, you can see quite a few guys decked out in dark green... I mean, it’s pretty easy to assume there might be a deployed military unit stationed nearby or something.

Gerald Torres84 said:Wait, so Ukrainians aren't even allowed to decide their own fate? They have to ask Russia for permission on everything?
This is quite simply an act of aggression and the violent seizure of territory from Ukraine. There is no involvement by NATO, nor Nazis, nor Americans, nor Masons, nor aliens. Those are merely various excuses being fed to sheep by Eastern propaganda.
The primary objective is very straightforward: the theft of land and resources.

With all due respect, that isn't the truth, though you might be acting a bit naive there. Putin has never explicitly stated a desire to annex all of Ukraine; his stated goal was merely to prevent them from joining NATO. As the conflict escalated, they seized certain pro-Russian areas to cripple how Ukraine functions, but no one is claiming they intend to occupy the entire nation—you just can't do that with only 200,000 soldiers. We really need to look at this realistically, because drawing the wrong conclusions leads to the wrong solutions. And what is the West doing? They are just fueling the fire, led by Zelenskyy, who refuses to entertain any kind of compromise.

Kimberly Perez82 said:With all due respect, that isn't the truth, though you might be acting a bit naive there. Putin has never explicitly stated a desire to annex all of Ukraine; his stated goal was merely to prevent them from joining NATO. As the conflict escalated, they seized certain pro-Russian areas to cripple how Ukraine functions, but no one is claiming they intend to occupy the entire nation—you just can't do that with only 200,000 soldiers. We really need to look at this realistically, because drawing the wrong conclusions leads to the wrong solutions. And what is the West doing? They are just fueling the fire, led by Zelenskyy, who refuses to entertain any kind of compromise.

Actually, he totally did. Just a couple of days ago, he mentioned that if Ukraine keeps going down this path, they're going to lose their sovereignty altogether.🙂

Kimberly Perez82 said:With all due respect, that isn't the truth, though you might be acting a bit naive there. Putin has never explicitly stated a desire to annex all of Ukraine; his stated goal was merely to prevent them from joining NATO. As the conflict escalated, they seized certain pro-Russian areas to cripple how Ukraine functions, but no one is claiming they intend to occupy the entire nation—you just can't do that with only 200,000 soldiers. We really need to look at this realistically, because drawing the wrong conclusions leads to the wrong solutions. And what is the West doing? They are just fueling the fire, led by Zelenskyy, who refuses to entertain any kind of compromise.

The Kherson region of Ukraine, currently under Russian occupation, is planning to petition Vladimir Putin to incorporate it into Russia, according to a report released Wednesday by the news agency TASS, citing officials from the local pro-Russian administration.

Russia announced back in April that it had established full control over the Kherson region. This area is strategically vital because it serves as part of the land bridge connecting the Crimea peninsula to the separatist territories in eastern Ukraine supported by Russia.

When questioned about the possibility of this Ukrainian region joining Russia, the Kremlin stated that the residents must decide their own destiny, adding that such decisions require a clear legal framework, much like what occurred in Crimea.

The Crimean peninsula was annexed by Russia in 2014.

Just keep digging your own hole... That's another one added to the troll list.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, in those little picture books where everything works out perfectly, sure, anything is possible. But this is the real world. Real life doesn't work like that. It’s just not how it works. It’s like how Russia couldn't just go and set up missile silos in Cuba. To Russia, Ukraine is exactly what Cuba is to America. If someone can't see that, then they’re clearly having a hard time grasping reality. I remember reading about Cold War tensions once, and it really hit home how much geography dictates everything. It’s simple. If someone tells you, "You can go anywhere you want, just not right in front of my door," then you have two choices: you either accept that to maintain peace, or you deliberately provoke a war. So, I ask you... what is even the point of Ukraine joining NATO? Is there actually one single good reason to do it?

It is painfully obvious that you and a handful of other bottom-feeders here are struggling to face reality.
One has to wonder what kind of twisted, hateful mindset leads someone to consciously and deliberately support an invasion of a sovereign nation.
Save these tired NATO conspiracy theories for the drunks loitering outside a dive bar after a few cheap beers.

Melissa Rivera5 said:Ukrainian politics is an internal matter for them. That's not some valid excuse for Kremlin-backed Nazis to invade and annex parts of a sovereign nation and threaten something as horrific as a holocaust.

Well, if we’re going by that logic, then why on earth shouldn't Cuba be allowed to set up Russian missile bases on their own soil? I mean, if everything is just "internal business," then fine. But let's not walk around here with these double standards—it really doesn't sit right with me. If I recall my history correctly, that whole first missile crisis was sparked specifically because of how the USA was moving its own missile bases closer to the USSR. It's all connected.

Thomas Walker84 said:Scenes from the wreckage of a destroyed shopping mall where firefighters have begun clearing the debris,

https://globalnews.ca/news/8950501/r...trike-ukraine/

I can't help but notice how organized and efficient Ukrainians are. They handle everything with such stoicism, almost as if they’re treating the Russian invasion like some kind of natural disaster—just clear the rubble, clean up, and start rebuilding. 😵 It’s a resilient mindset, and I honestly believe once they shake off the Russian burden, the country will bounce back and thrive incredibly fast.

Someone said they're gonna be the next Switzerland, right? I think I heard that somewhere before.
Compared to their politicians and all those corruption scandals we've seen here, our leaders look pretty harmless, and when I see how fast everyone is trying to rush them into the EU, it mostly just feels like people are looking for any excuse to cash in on those Ukrainian resources.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Well, if we’re going by that logic, then why on earth shouldn't Cuba be allowed to set up Russian missile bases on their own soil? I mean, if everything is just "internal business," then fine. But let's not walk around here with these double standards—it really doesn't sit right with me. If I recall my history correctly, that whole first missile crisis was sparked specifically because of how the USA was moving its own missile bases closer to the USSR. It's all connected.

What does any of that even have to do with this? Honestly, nothing at all.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Well, if we’re going by that logic, then why on earth shouldn't Cuba be allowed to set up Russian missile bases on their own soil? I mean, if everything is just "internal business," then fine. But let's not walk around here with these double standards—it really doesn't sit right with me. If I recall my history correctly, that whole first missile crisis was sparked specifically because of how the USA was moving its own missile bases closer to the USSR. It's all connected.

And did Ukraine install NATO bases on their territory?
I mean, sure, you could try to prove that, but you'd need more than just vibes to back that up...

darkwolf20 said:It is painfully obvious that you and a handful of other bottom-feeders here are struggling to face reality.
One has to wonder what kind of twisted, hateful mindset leads someone to consciously and deliberately support an invasion of a sovereign nation.
Save these tired NATO conspiracy theories for the drunks loitering outside a dive bar after a few cheap beers.

Look, nobody here is actually justifying an attack on anyone; we are simply dissecting the broader context of causes and consequences so we might actually find some viable solutions. You can choose to believe in NATO as if it were some kind of charitable non-profit organization for all I care—to each their own. Personally? I don't put my faith in either side.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Could we please try to be a little more civil? This is a direct reaction to those heart-wrenching stories that are incredibly one-sided. I really can't stand the principle where Person A is allowed to say whatever they want while Person B is shut down; it completely undermines the basic sense of order in the world that we hopefully moved past long ago.

Like, why does the US get to be in NATO while Ukraine doesn't? ☕

Look, I really can't stand it when people just refuse to see how they're basically shooting themselves in the foot, so I'm probably gonna have to add you to my ignore list along with the rest of them. 👋

hollowdriver13 said:And did Ukraine install NATO bases on their territory?
I mean, sure, you could try to prove that, but you'd need more than just vibes to back that up...

Honestly, I think we really need to do a bit more digging and stay better informed. If you look back over the last 15 years, there’s been such a massive amount of statements from Western officials—I mean, plenty of them—basically saying that getting Ukraine into NATO was an absolute certainty. And this was happening even while Putin was making those warnings back then about how he wouldn't allow it. So, if you ask me, both sides were moving toward this intentionally, just following their own specific agendas.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Well, damn, talk about bad luck. It's just how it goes—it's like how Cubans wanted Soviet communism and things didn't pan out that way either. Honestly, it’s just naive to expect any nuclear superpower to sit idly by while someone else plays games right on their doorstep. Just look at how aggressive China gets whenever anyone touches their backyard. All of this is completely predictable, and we have to respect that reality, whether we're talking about the USA, Russia, or China. Besides, Ukrainian politics hasn't been exactly innocent, not since that coup happened. Of course, you have to feel for the people, but unfortunately, it's always the citizens who end up paying the price.

The plan in Cuba was to station missiles there. I’m asking you again, when did Ukraine actually start joining NATO? Where are these launch pads supposed to be, and when were they ever meant to be in Ukraine?

And why did the people protest in the first place? Was it because of some broken promise?

Kimberly Perez82 said:Honestly, I think we really need to do a bit more digging and stay better informed. If you look back over the last 15 years, there’s been such a massive amount of statements from Western officials—I mean, plenty of them—basically saying that getting Ukraine into NATO was an absolute certainty. And this was happening even while Putin was making those warnings back then about how he wouldn't allow it. So, if you ask me, both sides were moving toward this intentionally, just following their own specific agendas.

Do you mean "done deal" in the sense of how things stalled out in 2008 when Germany blocked the whole accession process and nothing has actually moved since?
Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by it being a "done deal"?

Gregory Ramos3 said:Like, why does the US get to be in NATO while Ukraine doesn't? ☕

Look, I really can't stand it when people just refuse to see how they're basically shooting themselves in the foot, so I'm probably gonna have to add you to my ignore list along with the rest of them. 👋

It really comes down to geography and the delicate balance of power, you see. It’s about proximity. You can't just have Russia setting up launch sites right on the doorstep of America—just like how Cuba isn't allowed to install Russian missile ramps, and we don't let Taiwan host American ones either. I mean, Taiwan could have been part of NATO ages ago, but obviously, that's a massive geopolitical headache that everyone understands is off the table.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Well, if we’re going by that logic, then why on earth shouldn't Cuba be allowed to set up Russian missile bases on their own soil? I mean, if everything is just "internal business," then fine. But let's not walk around here with these double standards—it really doesn't sit right with me. If I recall my history correctly, that whole first missile crisis was sparked specifically because of how the USA was moving its own missile bases closer to the USSR. It's all connected.

What missiles are we even talking about? Tell me, when exactly did NATO expansion actually start?

Let's look at this logically for a second. If Russia takes over part of Ukraine, won't they just end up with those "infamous" missiles right back on their border again? If they pushed all the way to the Polish border, would we be complaining about imaginary missiles on the border then? And wait a minute—isn't Russia already sitting right there on NATO's doorstep? 😁