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wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#2361 ·

George Robinson43 said:Dmitry Peskov claims there is a world existing outside of the West.
Admittedly, during his time in those old Soviet schools, they never quite grasped basic concepts like supply and demand, so it’s hardly surprising they are being tossed into the economic dustbin of history.
After all, if nobody has any use for their gas, they can always just deploy their massive military to create a demand by force. 😉

Dmitry Peskov really needs to take a good, hard look at this versus the actual state of the Russian economy. Honestly, I’m starting to get worried that those guys won't be able to manufacture anything more sophisticated than the gear they're currently dumping into Ukraine.
They’re saying this new rig is going to run anywhere from 700 to 800 million Dollars starting in 2025. They’re looking at an annual overhead of about 100 million. That’s the kind of raw industrial muscle you only see in the West. Honestly, it’s wild how some people will just cut a check to anyone willing to drill into the earth and pull oil out of the ground. Even the folks in the Middle East have the capital to make that happen.😁
The video provides a deep dive into how the current geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and Russia are fundamentally reshaping global trade routes and energy dependencies. It’s a heavy topic, but one that demands attention if you want to understand why gas prices at the pump fluctuate so wildly based on headlines coming out of Moscow. The core argument centers on the fragmentation of the globalized era. For decades, we operated under the assumption that economic interdependence would act as a stabilizer—that if everyone was trading with everyone else, large-scale conflict would be too costly to pursue. That logic has been thoroughly dismantled. We are seeing a pivot away from integrated markets toward "friend-shoring," where nations prioritize trade with political allies rather than whoever offers the lowest price. There is also a significant focus on the shifting role of the European Union. The video points out how much the EU had to scramble to decouple its industrial base from Russian energy supplies. This isn't just a temporary hiccup; it’s a structural realignment of the Western economy. While this transition is incredibly expensive and creates short-term volatility, the narrative suggests it's an inevitable step toward strategic autonomy. One interesting takeaway is the discussion regarding the dollar's dominance. As various blocs attempt to diversify their reserves to mitigate the impact of potential sanctions, there is a palpable sense of tension regarding the future of the Dollar as the world's primary reserve currency. It isn't suggesting a total collapse of the system, but rather a slow move toward a more multipolar financial landscape. Ultimately, the footage argues that the era of "peace through commerce" is being replaced by an era of "security through self-sufficiency." It’s a more expensive way to run a planet, certainly, but according to the analysis, it's becoming the new baseline for national security.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#2362 ·
wearytrucker22 said:Dmitry Peskov really needs to take a good, hard look at this versus the actual state of the Russian economy. Honestly, I’m starting to get worried that those guys won't be able to manufacture anything more sophisticated than the gear they're currently dumping into Ukraine.
They’re saying this new rig is going to run anywhere from 700 to 800 million Dollars starting in 2025. They’re looking at an annual overhead of about 100 million. That’s the kind of raw industrial muscle you only see in the West. Honestly, it’s wild how some people will just cut a check to anyone willing to drill into the earth and pull oil out of the ground. Even the folks in the Middle East have the capital to make that happen.😁
The video provides a deep dive into how the current geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and Russia are fundamentally reshaping global trade routes and energy dependencies. It’s a heavy topic, but one that demands attention if you want to understand why gas prices at the pump fluctuate so wildly based on headlines coming out of Moscow. The core argument centers on the fragmentation of the globalized era. For decades, we operated under the assumption that economic interdependence would act as a stabilizer—that if everyone was trading with everyone else, large-scale conflict would be too costly to pursue. That logic has been thoroughly dismantled. We are seeing a pivot away from integrated markets toward "friend-shoring," where nations prioritize trade with political allies rather than whoever offers the lowest price. There is also a significant focus on the shifting role of the European Union. The video points out how much the EU had to scramble to decouple its industrial base from Russian energy supplies. This isn't just a temporary hiccup; it’s a structural realignment of the Western economy. While this transition is incredibly expensive and creates short-term volatility, the narrative suggests it's an inevitable step toward strategic autonomy. One interesting takeaway is the discussion regarding the dollar's dominance. As various blocs attempt to diversify their reserves to mitigate the impact of potential sanctions, there is a palpable sense of tension regarding the future of the Dollar as the world's primary reserve currency. It isn't suggesting a total collapse of the system, but rather a slow move toward a more multipolar financial landscape. Ultimately, the footage argues that the era of "peace through commerce" is being replaced by an era of "security through self-sufficiency." It’s a more expensive way to run a planet, certainly, but according to the analysis, it's becoming the new baseline for national security.

Oh, please...
The Russians could probably churn out a machine like this in seven days flat.
Their military is stuck using outdated junk because they are pouring every single cent into high-tech development instead. 😉
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#2363 ·
wearytrucker22 said:Dmitry Peskov really needs to take a good, hard look at this versus the actual state of the Russian economy. Honestly, I’m starting to get worried that those guys won't be able to manufacture anything more sophisticated than the gear they're currently dumping into Ukraine.
They’re saying this new rig is going to run anywhere from 700 to 800 million Dollars starting in 2025. They’re looking at an annual overhead of about 100 million. That’s the kind of raw industrial muscle you only see in the West. Honestly, it’s wild how some people will just cut a check to anyone willing to drill into the earth and pull oil out of the ground. Even the folks in the Middle East have the capital to make that happen.😁
The video provides a deep dive into how the current geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and Russia are fundamentally reshaping global trade routes and energy dependencies. It’s a heavy topic, but one that demands attention if you want to understand why gas prices at the pump fluctuate so wildly based on headlines coming out of Moscow. The core argument centers on the fragmentation of the globalized era. For decades, we operated under the assumption that economic interdependence would act as a stabilizer—that if everyone was trading with everyone else, large-scale conflict would be too costly to pursue. That logic has been thoroughly dismantled. We are seeing a pivot away from integrated markets toward "friend-shoring," where nations prioritize trade with political allies rather than whoever offers the lowest price. There is also a significant focus on the shifting role of the European Union. The video points out how much the EU had to scramble to decouple its industrial base from Russian energy supplies. This isn't just a temporary hiccup; it’s a structural realignment of the Western economy. While this transition is incredibly expensive and creates short-term volatility, the narrative suggests it's an inevitable step toward strategic autonomy. One interesting takeaway is the discussion regarding the dollar's dominance. As various blocs attempt to diversify their reserves to mitigate the impact of potential sanctions, there is a palpable sense of tension regarding the future of the Dollar as the world's primary reserve currency. It isn't suggesting a total collapse of the system, but rather a slow move toward a more multipolar financial landscape. Ultimately, the footage argues that the era of "peace through commerce" is being replaced by an era of "security through self-sufficiency." It’s a more expensive way to run a planet, certainly, but according to the analysis, it's becoming the new baseline for national security.

Don't bother stressing them out even slightly; they aren't operating at that level. Politics has dragged the Russian Federation down to a point where their military, while moving through neighboring countries, resorts to looting white goods as war booty. That is the standard they are playing at.
rustynomad12 rustynomad12 Member
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#2364 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:

Don't bother stressing them out even slightly; they aren't operating at that level. Politics has dragged the Russian Federation down to a point where their military, while moving through neighboring countries, resorts to looting white goods as war booty. That is the standard they are playing at.
Don't bother stressing them out even slightly; they aren't operating at that level. Politics has dragged the Russian Federation down to a point where their military, while moving through neighboring countries, resorts to looting white goods as war booty. That is the standard they are playing at.
Look, that's just how everyone operates when there's a war going on and an opportunity presents itself... I mean, I've heard so many stories from folks back in the DR about people stealing from even their closest friends. It happens, especially during wartime...
But man, the part that I just can't wrap my head around is seeing soldiers abandon their fallen comrades... that is truly beyond comprehension.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#2365 ·
rustynomad12 said:Don't bother stressing them out even slightly; they aren't operating at that level. Politics has dragged the Russian Federation down to a point where their military, while moving through neighboring countries, resorts to looting white goods as war booty. That is the standard they are playing at.

Look, that's just how everyone operates when there's a war going on and an opportunity presents itself... I mean, I've heard so many stories from folks back in the DR about people stealing from even their closest friends. It happens, especially during wartime...
But man, the part that I just can't wrap my head around is seeing soldiers abandon their fallen comrades... that is truly beyond comprehension.
Theft occurs in peacetime just as much as in war. But heavy machinery or appliances? I doubt you see that much anymore, even during peace. There’s too much effort involved for too little payoff in a modern society. Who’s going to lug away a five-year-old washing machine that’s probably on its last legs anyway?
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#2366 ·
George Robinson43 said:

Oh, please...
The Russians could probably churn out a machine like this in seven days flat.
Their military is stuck using outdated junk because they are pouring every single cent into high-tech development instead. 😉
Oh, please...
The Russians could probably churn out a machine like this in seven days flat.
Their military is stuck using outdated junk because they are pouring every single cent into high-tech development instead. 😉
High-tech assets anchored in Mediterranean marinas and beyond...
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
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#2367 ·
Larry Fox5 said:The only way they’ll actually do that is if they're total idiots—because first and foremost, it’s just going to screw themselves over. Sure, it would hurt the Russians in the long run, but in the short term? That move isn't stopping the war at all.
Lindner is a responsible guy, so I doubt we'll ever see it happen...

Basically, through sheer political incompetence, they've turned themselves into nothing more than beggars for Russian energy. 🙂

Yet, they sure love to act like the moral authorities of the world, all while Russia continues its path through Ukraine fueled by dirty German money. 🙂
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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#2368 ·
Justin James10 said:Basically, through sheer political incompetence, they've turned themselves into nothing more than beggars for Russian energy. 🙂

Yet, they sure love to act like the moral authorities of the world, all while Russia continues its path through Ukraine fueled by dirty German money. 🙂

That's just pure hallucination. Germany is actually one of the biggest donors to Ukraine. Not only that, but they’re a massive contributor to those trillions from the European Union funds—money the EEC clearly didn't just dump into decarbonization or cutting down on Russian oil and gas consumption. Instead, they used it to boost standards for personal cars, build highways, and other stuff that basically ends up indirectly funding Russia.

On top of that, Germany has been a huge advocate for Ukrainian sovereignty and was a co-author of the Minsk agreements. For nearly eight years, they kept pushing for those deals to be honored, even right before the full-scale Russian invasion when the German Chancellor traveled to meet Zelenska, urging him to finally implement those key parts of the agreement.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#2369 ·
rustywalker82 said:That's just pure hallucination. Germany is actually one of the biggest donors to Ukraine. Not only that, but they’re a massive contributor to those trillions from the European Union funds—money the EEC clearly didn't just dump into decarbonization or cutting down on Russian oil and gas consumption. Instead, they used it to boost standards for personal cars, build highways, and other stuff that basically ends up indirectly funding Russia.

On top of that, Germany has been a huge advocate for Ukrainian sovereignty and was a co-author of the Minsk agreements. For nearly eight years, they kept pushing for those deals to be honored, even right before the full-scale Russian invasion when the German Chancellor traveled to meet Zelenska, urging him to finally implement those key parts of the agreement.

They "helped" them by bypassing them via the North Pole.

And then, after attempting to offer aid in the form of a mere 5,000 helmets—only to be met with ridicule from all of Europe—they were forced to pivot their entire stance.

Furthermore, Germany acts as a powerful advocate for Ukrainian sovereignty and was a co-author of the Minsk agreements. For nearly eight years, they insisted these accords be implemented, even immediately preceding the full-scale Russian invasion, when the German Chancellor traveled to meet Zelenska, urging him to finally honor the key provisions of the deal.

Advocates? Is that what we are calling them now? While Putin Ukraine was busy carving up the nation through the annexation of Crimea and igniting the conflict in Donbas, the Germans were doing their part by forcing them to sign the Minsk agreement—a document designed to strip Ukraine of its sovereignty just so the Germans could continue their "business as usual" with Russia.
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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#2370 ·
Total manipulation here.
It’s pretty obvious that the Germans were actually pushing for Russian strategies regarding the Nord Stream project, all while explicitly demanding that gas transit through Ukraine stay active. Honestly, that transit was always a bit of a gamble because of those constant shutdowns caused by disputes over unpaid bills or accusations of gas being stolen.

Look, the Minsk agreement wasn't some power grab; if anything, it was a compromise meant to restore sovereignty to Ukraine. Back in the day, 83% of people in the Donbas voted for Ukraine to be independent from Russia (the old USSR), only to have 90% vote for autonomy just a few years later—which ended up being totally pointless since decades have already passed. It’s not all black and white when it comes to Russia, either. Sure, Russia politically backed that push for autonomy because they’re a federation themselves. Whether they were just bluffing to hide a much more criminal motive is a whole different story, but that’s got nothing to do with what Germany or France were doing.
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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#2371 ·
Also, besides just trash-talking the industrial backbone of Europe Germany, we really need to be making moves to get the rest of the world on board with those sanctions against the Russian aggressor.
For instance, this report coming out of Chinese state radio isn't exactly giving me any confidence:

http://american.cri.cn/vijesti/3742/...31/746614.html
They're claiming there's "positive progress" in the Russia-Ukraine negotiations and saying it's finally time to shut down the American "war machine"!
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#2372 ·
rustywalker82 said:Also, besides just trash-talking the industrial backbone of Europe Germany, we really need to be making moves to get the rest of the world on board with those sanctions against the Russian aggressor.
For instance, this report coming out of Chinese state radio isn't exactly giving me any confidence:

http://american.cri.cn/vijesti/3742/...31/746614.html
They're claiming there's "positive progress" in the Russia-Ukraine negotiations and saying it's finally time to shut down the American "war machine"!

True, but that isn't nearly as critical as the unity within the European Union.
Just as an Austrian or a Swabian might tie their horse to a Russian rider, the Russians have tied their own horse to the European Union. Those Germans and Austrians will untie themselves in two or three years, but the Russians will face long-term struggles finding a replacement market. You don't build all those pipelines toward Europe in just five years!
The cohesion of the European Union is the most important factor. Only Canada has broken ranks, but that cancer will likely be removed from the European Union and sent off to the UAE, where they will feel right at home since they are coming from the direction of the Urals anyway. They are simply going home.
Daniel Barnes53 Daniel Barnes53 Member
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#2373 ·
Russia ramps up March oil production to 46.57 million tons, according to Interfax
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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#2374 ·
George Robinson43 said:True, but that isn't nearly as critical as the unity within the European Union.
Just as an Austrian or a Swabian might tie their horse to a Russian rider, the Russians have tied their own horse to the European Union. Those Germans and Austrians will untie themselves in two or three years, but the Russians will face long-term struggles finding a replacement market. You don't build all those pipelines toward Europe in just five years!
The cohesion of the European Union is the most important factor. Only Canada has broken ranks, but that cancer will likely be removed from the European Union and sent off to the UAE, where they will feel right at home since they are coming from the direction of the Urals anyway. They are simply going home.

The EU has already slapped on heavy sanctions, even if they're hurting themselves in the process, while Asia and the super important—if not absolutely crucial—OPEC haven't done a damn thing.
On top of that, the Swabians basically allowed billions of Euros to be funneled into Nord Stream 2 instead of Russian weaponry, and now they're just keeping it on ice.

The Canadians are being total killjoys with the way they're talking while Ukraine is bleeding out, but personally, I can't stand the whole hypocritical vibe from CEE EU. They're burning through hundreds of billions of Euros from German-French Funds, yet until yesterday, they basically left their sister, Ukraine, out in the cold like a piece of trash in a park.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#2375 ·
I honestly think cutting off the gas supply right now would backfire.
1. It wouldn't stop the war—that evil little gnome has enough cash to keep things moving regardless—and those sanctions won't really start hitting the Russian public where it hurts for a few years anyway.
2. The immediate economic fallout—especially for Germany—would just tank their ability to help Ukraine, whether it's military aid, financial support, or helping refugees.
3. Besides, doesn't Ukraine still get a cut from the transit fees?

This war is definitely going to drag on for another year or two.
In the meantime, we need to go full speed ahead on phasing out Russian energy—coal by the end of the year, oil within a year, and gas within two.
We also need to ramp up renewable capacity.
After that, the key is keeping those sanctions in place for at least another 5 to 10 years. That’s how you prevent that evil gnome, or whoever takes his place,
from being able to fund any more military action for a long, long time—plus, we have to insist on war reparations.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#2376 ·
rustywalker82 said:Total manipulation here.
It’s pretty obvious that the Germans were actually pushing for Russian strategies regarding the Nord Stream project, all while explicitly demanding that gas transit through Ukraine stay active. Honestly, that transit was always a bit of a gamble because of those constant shutdowns caused by disputes over unpaid bills or accusations of gas being stolen.

Look, the Minsk agreement wasn't some power grab; if anything, it was a compromise meant to restore sovereignty to Ukraine. Back in the day, 83% of people in the Donbas voted for Ukraine to be independent from Russia (the old USSR), only to have 90% vote for autonomy just a few years later—which ended up being totally pointless since decades have already passed. It’s not all black and white when it comes to Russia, either. Sure, Russia politically backed that push for autonomy because they’re a federation themselves. Whether they were just bluffing to hide a much more criminal motive is a whole different story, but that’s got nothing to do with what Germany or France were doing.

Oh, how incredibly considerate they were. Did they bother to ask the Baltic states or the Poles for their opinion regarding Nord Stream? Of course not.

How foolish and naive German policy regarding Nord Stream 2 truly was has become painfully obvious to everyone today. Angela Merkel will be remembered in history as one of the most naive politicians of the modern era, and her policy of appeasement will go down in the annals of history right alongside Chamberlain's.

The Minsk agreement was a compromise that didn't strip Ukraine of its sovereignty, but rather restored it. In the Donbas, 83% voted for Ukrainian independence from Russia (the USSR), only to have 90% vote for autonomy just a few years later—though decades have already passed since then. It isn't all black and white, even regarding Russia; naturally, Russia politically supported the demand for such autonomy because they are themselves a federation (the Russian Federation). How much they were bluffing to achieve their actual criminal objectives is another matter entirely, but that has nothing to do with Germany or France.

The Minsk agreement was no compromise whatsoever; it was forcing Ukraine, under the threat of a Russian gun, to sign Minsk just so Germany and France could continue enjoying the blessings of peace and prosperity.

With that agreement, the Germans and the French essentially handed a handful of Putin's mafia thugs from the Donbas veto power over critical Ukrainian matters, such as joining NATO and the EU. The Minsk agreement effectively signaled the end of Ukrainian sovereignty and independence, which is precisely why it was never actually implemented.

Eight years after Minsk, we find ourselves facing exactly this situation today, thanks again—I repeat—to the misguided, naive, and utterly senseless policy of Germany.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#2377 ·
casualtiger2 said:I honestly think cutting off the gas supply right now would backfire.
1. It wouldn't stop the war—that evil little gnome has enough cash to keep things moving regardless—and those sanctions won't really start hitting the Russian public where it hurts for a few years anyway.
2. The immediate economic fallout—especially for Germany—would just tank their ability to help Ukraine, whether it's military aid, financial support, or helping refugees.
3. Besides, doesn't Ukraine still get a cut from the transit fees?

This war is definitely going to drag on for another year or two.
In the meantime, we need to go full speed ahead on phasing out Russian energy—coal by the end of the year, oil within a year, and gas within two.
We also need to ramp up renewable capacity.
After that, the key is keeping those sanctions in place for at least another 5 to 10 years. That’s how you prevent that evil gnome, or whoever takes his place,
from being able to fund any more military action for a long, long time—plus, we have to insist on war reparations.

In two years, gas will only be a necessity for Germany and Austria. Other nations will have transitioned by 2023. Of course, Canada has already made its choice to stand with Russia.
Daniel Barnes53 Daniel Barnes53 Member
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#2378 ·
casualtiger2 said:I honestly think cutting off the gas supply right now would backfire.
1. It wouldn't stop the war—that evil little gnome has enough cash to keep things moving regardless—and those sanctions won't really start hitting the Russian public where it hurts for a few years anyway.
2. The immediate economic fallout—especially for Germany—would just tank their ability to help Ukraine, whether it's military aid, financial support, or helping refugees.
3. Besides, doesn't Ukraine still get a cut from the transit fees?

This war is definitely going to drag on for another year or two.
In the meantime, we need to go full speed ahead on phasing out Russian energy—coal by the end of the year, oil within a year, and gas within two.
We also need to ramp up renewable capacity.
After that, the key is keeping those sanctions in place for at least another 5 to 10 years. That’s how you prevent that evil gnome, or whoever takes his place,
from being able to fund any more military action for a long, long time—plus, we have to insist on war reparations.

That's a fair point. Cutting off the gas wouldn't necessarily end the conflict. Just imagine if that happened and Putin decided, "Fine, we're leaving Ukraine, everything stays occupied." There's just no way that happens; it would be his downfall. In fact, he might just strike back even harder at Ukraine, maybe even resorting to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons just to wrap the whole thing up quickly.
If a recession hits the EU, people are going to lose a lot of sympathy for Ukrainians. They'll be too busy worrying about keeping their jobs or trying to explain to their kids why they can't go on vacation this year or next.
David Torres2 David Torres2 Active Member
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#2379 ·
George Robinson43 said:In two years, gas will only be a necessity for Germany and Austria. Other nations will have transitioned by 2023. Of course, Canada has already made its choice to stand with Russia.

If that scenario actually plays out, in two years we won't even recognize where Germany used to be on the map. Honestly, I think the gas will keep flowing, but we really need to push for independence from Russian gas and oil as fast as possible, no matter what it takes.
Paul Anderson7 Paul Anderson7 Active Member
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#2380 ·
I agree that we can't just stop buying oil and gas overnight, but we really need to go all-in on developing alternative sources and keeping our imports from Russia at the absolute bare minimum.
We also shouldn't cave to the idea of paying in Rubles; if Russia decides to cut us off because we won't play that game, then fine, let Putin be the one to make that move.

As it stands, the current energy bans aren't doing much to provide immediate relief for Ukraine, and honestly, they might actually end up hurting public sympathy and the overall sense of unity within the European Union.

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