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Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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joined Oct 2018
#3921 ·
urbanotter said:The war in Ukraine is really just the tip of the iceberg compared to what's been unfolding over the last two years.

1. The failed attempts at managing the pandemic spread.

2. The massive spike in shipping costs from China to the US, jumping from around $2,000 to $20,000.

3. The surge in energy prices triggered by the war in Ukraine.

4. The fact that about 30% of the wheat and oilseed supply from Ukraine and Russia is simply unavailable.

5. The rising costs of raw materials.

Essentially, when you combine all of this—keeping in mind that war is often used as a convenient excuse to hike prices (they would have gone up regardless; the war just dictates the pace)—you get the current situation. We've seen plenty of examples over the last three months where market prices actually dipped below what they were years ago, yet retail prices kept climbing simply because politicians pointed fingers at Ukraine.

And honestly, we deserve it.
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#3922 ·
Linda Collins3 said:I'm curious about this one. What caused such a massive ten-fold spike?

You can find some context here:

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-e...ll-year-rising

Article from December 2021
goldenpuma84 goldenpuma84 Active Member
72 messages
joined May 2014
#3923 ·
Christian Torres3 said:Extremely likely. I just have one question: is that worth it to you personally, given the cost to the survival of the Ukrainian people and their nation?

And just so we're clear, my answer to that same question is yes.


Nah, because that’s actually the whole point of the war.

The economic destruction of Europe.

Those sanctions aren't going to hurt Russia in the long run.

They're just irrational and suicidal...

And Ukrainians are basically pawns bleeding out for someone else's agenda.

They signed up for this game themselves.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#3924 ·
Linda Collins3 said:I'm curious about this one. What caused such a massive ten-fold spike?

I haven't gone down the rabbit hole to do a deep dive on this myself,

but I was chatting with an acquaintance—someone I actually spent a few days with while he was recovering in the hospital—who works as an organizer for shipping container logistics over at CMA, and he was adamant about it.

The whole thing has been treated pretty quietly in the media,

but a huge part of it comes down to the fact that with freight rates spiking, it just isn't profitable to ship everything from China anymore. You have to expect that a massive chunk of those goods will be redirected toward closer markets, like India, Russia, or Africa.

It’s not like every weekend handyman is going to go out and buy some cheap Chinese grinder $33 just to tinker around in their garage during their downtime.😁
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#3925 ·
goldenpuma84 said:Nah, because that’s actually the whole point of the war.

The economic destruction of Europe.

Those sanctions aren't going to hurt Russia in the long run.

They're just irrational and suicidal...

And Ukrainians are basically pawns bleeding out for someone else's agenda.

They signed up for this game themselves.

I've been hearing about the destruction of Europe for twenty years now, so I'll believe it when I see it. 🕺

On the other hand, Russia sits on every conceivable mineral and energy resource imaginable, yet they can't manage to economically overtake an Italy that's three times smaller than them. To pull that off, you'd have to be an artist.
Harold Nelson6 Harold Nelson6 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#3926 ·
Linda Collins3 said:I was watching CNN yesterday, and this expert was claiming that gas prices aren't actually spiking because of crude oil costs, but because refinery margins for processed products have allegedly shot up tenfold in some cases.

If that’s actually true, it basically means refineries are just war profiteers.

ExxonMobil Q1 2021 profit - $7 million
ExxonMobil Q1 2022 profit - $75 million

Source: https://www.exxonmobil.com/investors/...reports/
Thomas Walker84 Thomas Walker84 Active Member
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joined Oct 2009
#3927 ·
rowdymaker17 said:Only an idiot could possibly argue that wars aren't caused by something. You really need to stop swallowing the propaganda that’s clearly rotting your brain. 👍

Only a fool would say a rapist isn't provoked.
Only a fool would say a robber isn't provoked.
Only a fool would say a murderer isn't provoked.
Only a fool would say a corrupt politician isn't provoked.
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#3928 ·
goldenpuma84 said:Nah, because that’s actually the whole point of the war.

The economic destruction of Europe.

Those sanctions aren't going to hurt Russia in the long run.

They're just irrational and suicidal...

And Ukrainians are basically pawns bleeding out for someone else's agenda.

They signed up for this game themselves.

So, what? Are you just packing your bags and moving to Russia?

I mean, surely you don't plan on staying here in the European Union just to starve...
Thomas Walker84 Thomas Walker84 Active Member
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joined Oct 2009
#3929 ·
goldenpuma84 said:Nah, because that’s actually the whole point of the war.

The economic destruction of Europe.

Those sanctions aren't going to hurt Russia in the long run.

They're just irrational and suicidal...

And Ukrainians are basically pawns bleeding out for someone else's agenda.

They signed up for this game themselves.

Who wants to economically destroy Europe, and why?

Preserving the Ukrainian state, its territory, and its natural resources—protecting the Ukrainian people, their identity, language, and history... are those not Ukrainian interests, or are they someone else's?
Linda Collins3 Linda Collins3 Active Member
65 messages
joined Jun 2013
#3930 ·
Harold Nelson6 said:ExxonMobil Q1 2021 profit - $7 million
ExxonMobil Q1 2022 profit - $75 million

Source: https://www.exxonmobil.com/investors/...reports/

If this pattern holds true for all refineries in Europe, something is definitely fishy...

And it probably does, because that guy on France 24 seemed to know exactly what he was talking about.

So... if this is the main driver behind price hikes, should we be expecting some kind of political crackdown?

I haven't heard anything official yet, but I found the France 24 host's reaction pretty telling when he was interviewing the expert. He kept stuttering, like, "But that means... But that means..." before totally losing his train of thought and fumbling through it. He wouldn't even dare suggest war profiteering.

(Once the guy actually explained it, the vibe shifted instantly and they cut the interview short, even though it had been going great until then... 😁)
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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joined Feb 2024
#3931 ·
It’s a pretty brutal reality check when you genuinely believe you're some kind of major global player, only to realize just a few months later that your "no limits" allies aren't actually all that impressed with you.
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/...DqId-B0Vg&s=19
Gerald Torres84 Gerald Torres84 Active Member
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joined Oct 2015
#3932 ·
goldenpuma84 said:Nah, because that’s actually the whole point of the war.

The economic destruction of Europe.

Those sanctions aren't going to hurt Russia in the long run.

They're just irrational and suicidal...

And Ukrainians are basically pawns bleeding out for someone else's agenda.

They signed up for this game themselves.

"Ukrainians are just pawns bleeding out for someone else's interests." ???

Killing, rape, the erasure of a nation, the leveling of cities and towns, the seizing of territory... you're telling me none of that makes their struggle worthwhile just because they're fighting for others? I've read some nonsense in my time, but this is truly the bottom of the barrel. I would actually love to hear how they would react to such a claim.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#3933 ·
Natural Gas
https://twitter.com/GoldbergNic/stat...CxGp_JNGg&s=19
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#3934 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Natural Gas
https://twitter.com/GoldbergNic/stat...CxGp_JNGg&s=19

Presenting data this way in BCM is just poor design; they really ought to be showing the actual percentage of dependency for each country.

Take North Mexico, for example. They are almost entirely dependent on Russian gas, yet according to this infographic, it looks like a negligible amount.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#3935 ·
Harold Nelson6 said:ExxonMobil Q1 2021 profit - $7 million
ExxonMobil Q1 2022 profit - $75 million

Source: https://www.exxonmobil.com/investors/...reports/

That's just the total profit for ExxonMobil

but we really need to look closer at how much of that actually comes from the refinery operations itself.

I mean, is the facility even running at capacity, or is this entire windfall just the result of aggressive derivatives trading?
bluebison8 bluebison8 Active Member
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joined Apr 2008
#3936 ·
wearytrucker22 said:[No content provided to rewrite]

Look, let’s be real: Russian Nazism has to be stopped, period. Even if it means risking a nuclear standoff, we can't just sit on our hands. I don't care what happens to gas prices; that's a secondary concern at this stage. What we really need to deal with is the domestic fifth column right here in the States—the collaborators, the Putinists, and the Nazi sympathizers hiding in plain sight. We should be looking into sending them to re-education camps, maybe striking a deal with China to host them in their labor camps. We coordinate with Beijing, and we ship them off there to learn some discipline.

Fine then. Grab a rifle, sling it over your shoulder, and get moving. 😵
Anthony Taylor3 Anthony Taylor3 Member
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#3937 ·
Paul Anderson7 said:If there's one lesson we've learned, it's that you can't trust Russians. You certainly can't trust Vladimir Putin. There are no such things as security guarantees that Russia will actually honor; they'll promise you the moon while they're busy prepping for the next round of conflict and territorial expansion behind the scenes. The only real security guarantee would be a broke Russia without a modern military. Personally, I wouldn't even sit at a table with them unless they agreed to give up their nuclear arsenal. If they ever get the bright idea to invade a neighbor again, they should have to deal with the fact that they won't have nukes to hide behind.
Russia obviously isn't going to agree to that, so any discussions that leave them with a military capable of attacking someone else are basically pointless. We need to realize who we're dealing with here; it's pretty obvious they've been setting the stage for this for decades, bribing EU politicians to create openings so they can carry out their terror in Ukraine without consequence. The real question is how many more targets they had on their list and how fast they intended to hit them.
We've already seen them calling for NATO members to revert to the status quo of the nineties, so it doesn't take much to figure out how much they want to grab.

Beyond that, you only have to listen to their diplomats and the hacks on their state TV to see how they think. It's hard to reach an agreement with people like that, especially since they clearly have no intention of keeping their word.

As for the grain shortages, it'll be short-lived. Right now, nations around the globe are realizing that Russia isn't a reliable partner and they need to find new suppliers. Sure, certain players in Asia are going to profit from this because they can pick up Russian goods at a discount, which they've always been able to do. But the West and parts of the Arab world will have to hunt for other sources. It’s a headache in the short term, but it's totally doable within two or three years. Despite all the talk about the world starving because "all" the grain comes from Russia and Ukraine, that's just not how it works in reality. Until now, Russian grain was just the cheapest option. If that disappears, someone else will plant the crops, and eventually, the grain and everything made from it will just be more expensive.
But hey, I'd rather pay more for $5.00 bread and a gallon of gas for $6.75 than be sitting in a trench listening to artillery shells landing on my wife and kids.
Things will settle down eventually, and the countries most dependent on Russia will end up footing the biggest bill. Along with the poor, they’re going to get screwed, as usual—but that was already a given long before the pandemic, so nothing really changes for them.

No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.
rowdytinker3 rowdytinker3 Member
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#3938 ·
Anthony Taylor3 said:No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.

Are you seriously one of those people who thinks Mexicans and Russians are brothers? 🤣
Mark Carter14 Mark Carter14 Member
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joined Apr 2012
#3939 ·
The analysis from The New York Times just confirms what all the independent voices have been saying for ages: Europe is headed for a massive disaster if they can't figure out how to predict these consequences and push for a real deal. Who even knows where this ends... ☕

‘A HURRICANE IS BREWING‘

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According to The New York Times, European buyers are going to take a much harder hit because they'll be forced to source energy from suppliers much further away. On top of that, Europeans need to overhaul their refineries to handle different types of crude or scramble to find suppliers who can provide oil with characteristics similar to what they used to get from Russia. The NYT is also forecasting intermittent shortages of petroleum products, like diesel. And when you run out of diesel—the stuff that powers trucks and farm equipment—you end up with a domino effect of rising prices for everything else, especially food. To make matters worse, The New York Times warns that Europe will likely swap its reliance on Russia for other unstable suppliers in the Middle East, leaving the whole question of long-term security wide open.
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In the middle of this global energy reshuffle, The New York Times suggests that China and India are actually shielding themselves from high energy costs because Russia is offering them deep discounts. In just a few months, Russia has become the second-largest oil supplier to India, jumping ahead of both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

While the European Union's goal with the oil embargo is to cripple Russia by cutting off billions in revenue, there’s a catch. If oil prices spike significantly—which is a very real possibility—total Russian revenues might actually stay roughly the same.
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Through all of this, we really need to keep an eye on how extremely vulnerable the European Union has been to inflation for quite some time now. Just yesterday, data came out showing that producer prices across the EU and the eurozone continued their extreme climb through March. In fact, producer price inflation in 19 eurozone countries hit an astronomical 37.2 percent in March, while the EU-wide increase was just slightly lower at 37 percent. Even if some economists try to deny it, the rise in producer prices has been a reliable predictor of general price hikes lately. Seeing industrial inflation this high now implies that many major EU member states could face double-digit inflation soon, which usually leads to some pretty dramatic economic shocks.
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silvermarlin24 silvermarlin24 Newcomer
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#3940 ·
Anthony Taylor3 said:No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.

Of course not. They couldn't even if they wanted to—they aren't in NATO. You don't make "promises" like that; you sign treaties. Period.

Anthony Taylor3 said:No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.

They can't physically station them there. It would be crazy to try deploying stuff inside NATO member states. Instead, Russia put them in Kaliningrad and Belarus.

Anthony Taylor3 said:No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.

Nope.

Anthony Taylor3 said:No, Russia didn't promise NATO wouldn't expand east, Russia didn't station missiles in Poland or Romania, Russia didn't lie about Iraqi WMDs, and Russia didn't back the main factions in Syria.
And they certainly weren't the ones organizing coups in the American neighborhood or installing neo-Nazis to burn people out.
That was the West, and the West is the party you can't trust.
The West loved the Chechens when they were busy killing Russians and leveling buildings in Moscow; back then, streets were named after Dudayev and Zakayev was given asylum. Now, everyone is panicking at the mere mention of Chechens.
It's precisely because you aren't willing to face reality that this is happening in Ukraine.
The world understands that Russia remains a desirable partner because they control the grain, the fertilizer, and the energy—exactly what everyone needs.
Let's be real: you can live without fancy makeup, a new car, or designer clothes. Living without flour and electricity is a much harder sell.

True. They were doing their own decapitations.

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