Sanctions on Russia

brightheron64 said:True, though I suppose we might even find ourselves using different patriotic slogans today...

🤣🤣 Exactly. He conveniently left out that little "detail."
Lp

brightheron64 said:True, though I suppose we might even find ourselves using different patriotic slogans today...

I mean, Russia losing doesn't automatically mean a win for the Germans. And honestly, if they actually pulled it off, we wouldn't even be here to talk about it. They would've wiped us out too, since they view Slavs as subhuman anyway.

Melissa Rivera5 said:I mean, Russia losing doesn't automatically mean a win for the Germans. And honestly, if they actually pulled it off, we wouldn't even be here to talk about it. They would've wiped us out too, since they view Slavs as subhuman anyway.

In reality, there was this whole "Goth theory" cooked up specifically for Americans, claiming we were actually just Slavized Goths—essentially Germans. It was a way to suggest that the fate being prepared for other Slavs wouldn't apply to us...

urbanotter said:Look, we are talking about the Maidan protests and the last presidents who were actually elected by the people in every administrative district, including in Crimea and the Donbas.

The actual topic at hand is the sanctions that the West and the Americans have slapped on Russia.
It makes me wonder why everyone is suddenly screaming about blackmail now that the Russians have throttled the gas supply, when they were the ones shouting from the rooftops that they wouldn't touch a drop of Russian gas.
People are strange; first they complain because they can't go, and then once you finally let them, they act like they don't even want to be there anymore.

Where did "Jugović" come from? What am I supposed to be? My family records clearly state my heritage, and I assure you, there isn't a trace of your bitterness mixed into my history.😉

With the most hardcore advocates of their version of "democracy," you don't even have the right to an opinion. If you dare to think differently, you're immediately labeled a Russian sympathizer or a Putin follower. It’s exhausting.
It’s easy to feed any official narrative to people who lack the wits to spot such an obvious oxymoron. I saw this happening back in Chicago during the election cycles—just pure manipulation.

hollowdriver13 said:Good luck trying to take them down with actual facts and logic, because honestly, just saying "I think so" doesn't really cut it—an opinion isn't an argument.
Look, you’re totally missing the point here. What does an election map from before the Maidan coup have to do with your whole argument about Zelenskyy not being a legitimate president? It doesn't make sense. Plus, you conveniently dodged my question about those "5G" gaps between the 2014 Maidan events and the 2019 elections... come on, give me some actual substance here. Since you're the one pushing this idea that everything is connected back to Maidan, the burden of proof is on you to actually show it. Put some meat on those bones.
So, what exactly did these foreign "helpers" actually do? Honestly, it’s so easy to just grab some random soundbite, toss it out there, and pretend it’s a legitimate argument—but if you're going to make claims like that, you really ought to bring some actual evidence to the table.
Man, you’re getting awfully emotional on behalf of the Russian side for someone who claims to be all about being "objective and neutral."
You're just not in the mood to Google anything because there’s honestly nothing worth looking up, other than a bunch of links to "logic-based" sites and those other supposedly "high-quality" outlets. Your link to Index is actually a perfect case in point. It seems like whenever they publish something that fits the pro-Russia narrative, suddenly it's a legitimate news source, but if they report anything else, it's immediately labeled as bottom-of-the-barrel tabloid trash. Typical.

What kind of connection does history actually have to what’s happening right now? I mean, if we follow that logic, is every single country just going to start claiming "historical rights" whenever they feel like it? If that were the case, the whole of Europe would basically be one giant battlefield. Think about it—if you dig deep enough into the past, almost every nation once held territory that sits inside someone else's borders today. We don't see Austria trying to launch a military campaign to reclaim South Tyrol, and we don't see Germany demanding Alsace-Lorraine back from France. Even if we really start digging through the archives, you've got the English wanting Normandy back from the French, and so on and so forth. It just doesn't add up.
Keep at it, man. You're doing a great job. ☕

It’s easy to play dumb and pretend you didn't see what the entire world witnessed. I've seen it before in DC—people closing their eyes when the truth is staring them right in the face.
The footage is grim. Just another day in this crumbling era. I remember watching similar chaos back when I was stationed near Fort Bragg—nothing ever truly changes, just the names of the players. This is exhausting.

Kate Cook27 said:The people elected Yanukovych, and the people removed Yanukovych. It's not his fault if he lied to his own citizens.
They weren't necessarily overthrowing anyone, but they were certainly interfering—take Yushchenko back in 2004, for instance. But I guess the Americans are probably to blame for that, too.
Then there's that Saudi prince people accuse of dismembering journalists. He works hand-in-hand with Putin—one shuts up journalists, the other literally tears them apart.

On that note, the Russians are having a hard time fixing certain oil or gas pipelines because those sanctions are definitely doing something.

Whose citizen was Khashoggi anyway? And who practically did nothing while he was being dismembered? Look at Biden, heading off to Riyadh in just a week.

Americans have maintained this strategic alliance with Saudi leadership since the seventies. Not even Wahhabi bombings on US or EU soil changed a thing.
On the flip side, Russia and Saudi Arabia have barely managed symbolic contact for decades. They cooperate on a few niche interests here and there, but that’s it.

The peak of hypocrisy in all this is Yemen. For years now, Americans and us in the EU have been training and arming the Saudis just so they can kill civilians more efficiently. Compared to the body count there, Ukraine looks insignificant. No one complains.

William Anderson5 said:In reality, there was this whole "Goth theory" cooked up specifically for Americans, claiming we were actually just Slavized Goths—essentially Germans. It was a way to suggest that the fate being prepared for other Slavs wouldn't apply to us...

Right. We were suddenly "German" right up until they needed fresh cannon fodder at Stalingrad. Ante certainly had an incredibly wide reach when it came to looking after those who put him in power and kept him there.

Melissa Rivera5 said:I mean, Russia losing doesn't automatically mean a win for the Germans. And honestly, if they actually pulled it off, we wouldn't even be here to talk about it. They would've wiped us out too, since they view Slavs as subhuman anyway.

We aren't even Slavs—we're Iranian. Which basically makes us cleaner Aryans than any German.

steelfox98 said:With the most hardcore advocates of their version of "democracy," you don't even have the right to an opinion. If you dare to think differently, you're immediately labeled a Russian sympathizer or a Putin follower. It’s exhausting.
It’s easy to feed any official narrative to people who lack the wits to spot such an obvious oxymoron. I saw this happening back in Chicago during the election cycles—just pure manipulation.

It’s easy to play dumb and pretend you didn't see what the entire world witnessed. I've seen it before in DC—people closing their eyes when the truth is staring them right in the face.
The footage is grim. Just another day in this crumbling era. I remember watching similar chaos back when I was stationed near Fort Bragg—nothing ever truly changes, just the names of the players. This is exhausting.

Whose citizen was Khashoggi anyway? And who practically did nothing while he was being dismembered? Look at Biden, heading off to Riyadh in just a week.

Americans have maintained this strategic alliance with Saudi leadership since the seventies. Not even Wahhabi bombings on US or EU soil changed a thing.
On the flip side, Russia and Saudi Arabia have barely managed symbolic contact for decades. They cooperate on a few niche interests here and there, but that’s it.

The peak of hypocrisy in all this is Yemen. For years now, Americans and us in the EU have been training and arming the Saudis just so they can kill civilians more efficiently. Compared to the body count there, Ukraine looks insignificant. No one complains.

Well, buddy, you’ve definitely proven your point now 🙏 🙏

So, we're supposed to "see" an audio recording of NOTHING coming from some random YouTube account with like 855 subscribers? 🙏 🙏
What kind of "proof" or "quality" argument is even that? 🙏

hint : Resemble, Descript, ReSpeecher—honestly, when you're dealing with a public figure who has tons of voice recordings floating around online, even someone who isn't exactly a genius could whip up a deepfake voice clip using those programs. ☕

steelfox98 said:With the most hardcore advocates of their version of "democracy," you don't even have the right to an opinion. If you dare to think differently, you're immediately labeled a Russian sympathizer or a Putin follower. It’s exhausting.
It’s easy to feed any official narrative to people who lack the wits to spot such an obvious oxymoron. I saw this happening back in Chicago during the election cycles—just pure manipulation.

It’s easy to play dumb and pretend you didn't see what the entire world witnessed. I've seen it before in DC—people closing their eyes when the truth is staring them right in the face.
The footage is grim. Just another day in this crumbling era. I remember watching similar chaos back when I was stationed near Fort Bragg—nothing ever truly changes, just the names of the players. This is exhausting.

Whose citizen was Khashoggi anyway? And who practically did nothing while he was being dismembered? Look at Biden, heading off to Riyadh in just a week.

Americans have maintained this strategic alliance with Saudi leadership since the seventies. Not even Wahhabi bombings on US or EU soil changed a thing.
On the flip side, Russia and Saudi Arabia have barely managed symbolic contact for decades. They cooperate on a few niche interests here and there, but that’s it.

The peak of hypocrisy in all this is Yemen. For years now, Americans and us in the EU have been training and arming the Saudis just so they can kill civilians more efficiently. Compared to the body count there, Ukraine looks insignificant. No one complains.

Right, because Zelensky took power back in 2014, he definitely wasn't elected through an actual vote.

steelfox98 said:With the most hardcore advocates of their version of "democracy," you don't even have the right to an opinion. If you dare to think differently, you're immediately labeled a Russian sympathizer or a Putin follower. It’s exhausting.
It’s easy to feed any official narrative to people who lack the wits to spot such an obvious oxymoron. I saw this happening back in Chicago during the election cycles—just pure manipulation.

It’s easy to play dumb and pretend you didn't see what the entire world witnessed. I've seen it before in DC—people closing their eyes when the truth is staring them right in the face.
The footage is grim. Just another day in this crumbling era. I remember watching similar chaos back when I was stationed near Fort Bragg—nothing ever truly changes, just the names of the players. This is exhausting.

Whose citizen was Khashoggi anyway? And who practically did nothing while he was being dismembered? Look at Biden, heading off to Riyadh in just a week.

Americans have maintained this strategic alliance with Saudi leadership since the seventies. Not even Wahhabi bombings on US or EU soil changed a thing.
On the flip side, Russia and Saudi Arabia have barely managed symbolic contact for decades. They cooperate on a few niche interests here and there, but that’s it.

The peak of hypocrisy in all this is Yemen. For years now, Americans and us in the EU have been training and arming the Saudis just so they can kill civilians more efficiently. Compared to the body count there, Ukraine looks insignificant. No one complains.

Oh, people *are* complaining, you guys are just choosing to look the other way. Not even getting into how one thing is a war on the other side of the planet, while the other is right in our backyard with all that potential for WW3. But oh, wait, my bad—there isn't a war, right? Isn't that what that sneaky guy Lavrov told us when he claimed Russia didn't invade Ukraine? 🙂

Melissa Rivera5 said:Right, because Zelensky took power back in 2014, he definitely wasn't elected through an actual vote.

Oh, people *are* complaining, you guys are just choosing to look the other way. Not even getting into how one thing is a war on the other side of the planet, while the other is right in our backyard with all that potential for WW3. But oh, wait, my bad—there isn't a war, right? Isn't that what that sneaky guy Lavrov told us when he claimed Russia didn't invade Ukraine? 🙂

Furthermore, regardless of the scale of a conflict or its location, there is a fundamental distinction to be made when a third party intervenes in a civil struggle that lacks territorial claims or state-on-state aggression driven by expansionism.

Anyone who fails to see that difference is either completely clueless or an ideologically driven manipulator.

We are supposed to be discussing the current war in Ukraine, yet some people insist on dragging up arguments from past conflicts to justify everything happening today.

Imagine walking into a courtroom where the defense attorney tries to justify a murder charge by bringing up other murders that happened years ago—completely unrelated to the case at hand—just to defend their client.

Can you even imagine something more idiotic than that?

Amanda Allen4 said:We are supposed to be discussing the current war in Ukraine, yet some people insist on dragging up arguments from past conflicts to justify everything happening today.

Imagine walking into a courtroom where the defense attorney tries to justify a murder charge by bringing up other murders that happened years ago—completely unrelated to the case at hand—just to defend their client.

Can you even imagine something more idiotic than that?

For our neighbors to the east, that's basically their only playbook—but only when it suits them.
Regardless, those eastern neighbors have really opened our eyes during this war. I honestly thought they'd grown out of this stuff and actually civilized... guess you live and learn, I suppose.

Amanda Allen4 said:We are supposed to be discussing the current war in Ukraine, yet some people insist on dragging up arguments from past conflicts to justify everything happening today.

Imagine walking into a courtroom where the defense attorney tries to justify a murder charge by bringing up other murders that happened years ago—completely unrelated to the case at hand—just to defend their client.

Can you even imagine something more idiotic than that?

Some people seem to hold the conviction that the conflict in Ukraine isn't some kind of existential turning point for life on this planet, and honestly, I can see why they feel that way. It’s easy to get lost in the daily news cycle and feel like we've seen these kinds of geopolitical tremors before, so it's hard to wrap your head around the idea that this specific moment might be different. I remember sitting in a coffee shop back in Chicago a few years ago, listening to people debate whether global shifts actually change our fundamental trajectory, and there was this sense that history just repeats itself in cycles rather than breaking into something entirely new. There’s a certain comfort in believing that even massive conflicts are just more of the same, but I find myself wondering if we are actually standing on the edge of something much more profound than we care to admit.

When they finally hand down a ruling, you'll notice they don't just make a decision out of thin air; they constantly point back to previous legal precedents to justify their stance. It reminds me of that time I was sitting in on a local municipal hearing last year—it wasn't just about the facts at hand, but about how similar disputes had been settled by the courts in the past to ensure everything remains consistent.

As far as I know—and please keep in mind I’m certainly no legal expert—the concept of unifying judicial precedents is something our court system hasn't really encountered before, and that kind of authority falls squarely under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

Amanda Allen4 said:We are supposed to be discussing the current war in Ukraine, yet some people insist on dragging up arguments from past conflicts to justify everything happening today.

Imagine walking into a courtroom where the defense attorney tries to justify a murder charge by bringing up other murders that happened years ago—completely unrelated to the case at hand—just to defend their client.

Can you even imagine something more idiotic than that?

Imagine a court that plays favorites—where the rules only apply to some people and not others. You know, the whole "rules for thee, but not for me" vibe? Well, you don't even have to imagine it—it’s happening right now. Some folks think I’m overexplaining things, but honestly, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. It’s about highlighting how inconsistent everything is—like, why are we totally fine looking the other way when certain killings happen?

William Anderson5 said:That entire economic engine still relies on the West, whether as a consumer base or as the primary source for capital and tech.

Sure, sanctions will hit Russia. There’s no denying that. You can't just swap out Western aerospace engineering for something else overnight. You can't just replace an entire automotive industry either. And as for high-tech? You might be able to find a substitute, but it'll likely be several generations behind...

The West really just needs to find a new gas station...

To goes perfectly with this old saying:
Don't go looking for trouble when you can't handle it.

By the way, the West already swapped its gas station once before, but everyone seems to have forgotten. I'm talking about that massive oil crisis back in the seventies and the brutal economic meltdown that followed across the West.

They’d love to head back to those old pumps right about now, but there's a catch: the Middle East is a powder keg, and the Russian pyromaniacs are just waiting in the shadows with a lighter. 😁

Noah Diaz said:To goes perfectly with this old saying:
Don't go looking for trouble when you can't handle it.

By the way, the West already swapped its gas station once before, but everyone seems to have forgotten. I'm talking about that massive oil crisis back in the seventies and the brutal economic meltdown that followed across the West.

They’d love to head back to those old pumps right about now, but there's a catch: the Middle East is a powder keg, and the Russian pyromaniacs are just waiting in the shadows with a lighter. 😁

Why would Russia bother lighting anything? They’re actually doing fine despite the sanctions—in fact, they’re pulling in ten times the profit by just pivoting toward India and South Korea.

Nathan Thomas12 said:Why would Russia bother lighting anything? They’re actually doing fine despite the sanctions—in fact, they’re pulling in ten times the profit by just pivoting toward India and South Korea.

It’s pretty obvious they don't feel the need to start fires or deal with imposing sanctions on anyone else right now.
I mean, look at the reality of things—oil remains an incredibly high-demand commodity, and its value isn't just limited to the European market.

SINGAPORE - Chinese imports of crude oil from Russia hit record highs this past May, a shift that comes just as Saudi Arabia has lost its standing as China's primary supplier.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/snazno-...e-nafte/277519

William Anderson5 said:In reality, there was this whole "Goth theory" cooked up specifically for Americans, claiming we were actually just Slavized Goths—essentially Germans. It was a way to suggest that the fate being prepared for other Slavs wouldn't apply to us...

I mean, where on earth do you guys even dig this stuff up?
It’s honestly kind of funny how you're trying to push this Goth theory—which was basically just a fabrication by that total jerk Ante Pavelić—on the Swabians. I guess people forget that those same Swabians viewed all Slavs, including Americans, as Untermensch... and even Adolf Hitler himself called that whole messy, fake state they built a "dreckstaaten"—basically a complete garbage state.

urbanotter said:It’s pretty obvious they don't feel the need to start fires or deal with imposing sanctions on anyone else right now.
I mean, look at the reality of things—oil remains an incredibly high-demand commodity, and its value isn't just limited to the European market.

SINGAPORE - Chinese imports of crude oil from Russia hit record highs this past May, a shift that comes just as Saudi Arabia has lost its standing as China's primary supplier.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/snazno-...e-nafte/277519

Russia is actually getting stronger despite the sanctions, so let them have it then.☕

William Anderson5 said:In reality, there was this whole "Goth theory" cooked up specifically for Americans, claiming we were actually just Slavized Goths—essentially Germans. It was a way to suggest that the fate being prepared for other Slavs wouldn't apply to us...

Oh, absolutely. I imagine they held a deep, profound appreciation for a nation that served as arguably the worst possible ally one could ever hope to have.

Morgan Wright5 said:Oh, absolutely. I imagine they held a deep, profound appreciation for a nation that served as arguably the worst possible ally one could ever hope to have.

Trust me, you'd be shocked at what people were actually thinking.