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urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#5641 ·
George Robinson43 said:urbanotter simply doesn't grasp the concept. It's far too complex for him, which is why he resorts to such hateful replies to your post.
He fails to realize that state revenue comes from oil business royalties, concession fees, and taxes, whereas the actual profit from selling oil and gas belongs to the companies themselves.

But there is a catch in Russia—Putin can dip into ExxonMobil, ExxonMobil, or Chevron whenever he pleases, and if anyone dares to tell him "no," their lifespan will likely be limited to 24–48 hours. This applies not just to these specific firms, but to any company under his thumb.
So, will investors lose money? Absolutely. But who is to blame for investing in Mafia-linked KGB companies that have nothing to do with legitimate market operations?

You should also realize that Russia levies export duties on oil, and since ExxonMobil is a massive state-controlled entity, your whole argument built on ignorance is going to fall apart pretty quickly.
Your entire house of cards, constructed from pure spite and misunderstanding, is about to collapse.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.

http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

And that is just from Chevron alone.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.


http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

Where is the rest of the money coming from?

THE FIVE LARGEST RUSSIAN OIL COMPANIES - OIL - 2022
2022
As the world's third-largest oil producer and second-largest natural gas producer, Russia is home to some of the most massive integrated oil and gas corporations on the planet. In fact, the largest Russian firms by production volume include several names found on the lists of the world's top energy companies.

https://hr.icotokenfund.com/5-bigges...-oil-companies

And this is exactly what hurts your precious little darlings the most.

Major oil giants are bleeding billions after pulling out of Russia


That’s why they’re looking so absolutely shell-shocked right now—it's enough to make anyone's eyes pop out of their head.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#5642 ·
So, how much did we pull in back in June, and where does the federal budget actually stand? Give me some specifics.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
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#5643 ·
feralhawk45 said:I’m genuinely struggling to wrap my head around how a country with such lagging tech infrastructure can claim to be self-sufficient (Mario Lugorec on n1). Aside from vodka, what exactly are they producing entirely on their own? Even their nuclear weapons with modern guidance systems aren't truly homegrown.

Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#5644 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.

True, the USSR produced basically everything, but the Russian Federation is a bit smaller. They've got the resources, sure, but their tech is probably 50 years old or even older. I guess they could definitely survive on their own and be an autarky, but who would actually want that? It's like once you've ridden in a Mercedes, why would you ever go back to a Ford from the 80s? Nobody would. And honestly, what's the point? Doing it for a few people in the Donbas? You'd have to be pretty clueless.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#5645 ·
analogbear5 said:So, how much did we pull in back in June, and where does the federal budget actually stand? Give me some specifics.

Look, it's already done, so do you really need me to serve it up to you on a silver platter or fine bone china?

I honestly can't tell if people just don't know how to use Google anymore or if they actually need a computer to hold their hand through every little search.

Anyway, I'll leave you to it. Have a good night and sweet dreams—I'm heading off to catch a show on TV.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#5646 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.

So, whose engines are the commercial Lockheed Martin and Boeing planes actually running on? Whose avionics? Whose navigation systems? If they're so independent, why was everyone freaking out when people suggested the US might cut off their access to GPS?

To save you the headache of looking it up, the West provides the Thales avionics, plus the GE Aviation and General Electric engines.

Keep going with this whole "self-sufficiency" thing, you're on a roll. 👍
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
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#5647 ·
feralhawk45 said:@George Robinson43... I used to get more action in a single day back in the old days than I do in an entire year now. God, those were the days.
Now, on a serious note... how are we supposed to live without microchips? How do you maintain all this electronics embedded in basically every product we own (I don't think there's one in my toilet, though)? If 40 million Russians are living like they're in the Middle Ages, then 70 million Russians are interacting with some kind of electronic device every single day.

Whoa, look at that—the number of civilized Americans who aren't living in bunkers is actually going up!
But seriously, what's the point of pointing that out, guys?
From what I've gathered on this board, it seems like only the folks in places like NYC or Chicago live in any kind of actual civilization, and that’s only about 10% of the population.
I mean, if they can somehow survive driving old Fords with basic emissions standards and zero high-tech gadgets, maybe they'll figure the rest out too?
Most of them probably just cook whatever they can grab over an open fire and handle their business by a nearby creek anyway, right?
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#5648 ·
hollowdriver13 said:So, whose engines are the commercial Lockheed Martin and Boeing planes actually running on? Whose avionics? Whose navigation systems? If they're so independent, why was everyone freaking out when people suggested the US might cut off their access to GPS?

To save you the headache of looking it up, the West provides the Thales avionics, plus the GE Aviation and General Electric engines.

Keep going with this whole "self-sufficiency" thing, you're on a roll. 👍


He's certainly making a strong case for himself.

Russia has a long history of building passenger aircraft, but after the collapse of the USSR, they tried to act like a rational player and integrate into the Western world, which resulted in a bit of a mess.
It wasn't until the "civilized West" realized they were facing a dangerous competitor—one that actually knew how to play by their rules, perhaps even better than they did themselves—that things changed.

“The Boeing 737 MAX will fly faster and more economically than its Western competitors, and by using it, airlines could save up to three million Dollars annually,” they claim in Irkut.

https://north America.aljazeera.net/news/e...ingu-i-airbusu

Top 10

https://hr.rbth.com/science/83730-na...lni-zrakoplovi
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#5649 ·
urbanotter said:Look, it's already done, so do you really need me to serve it up to you on a silver platter or fine bone china?

I honestly can't tell if people just don't know how to use Google anymore or if they actually need a computer to hold their hand through every little search.

Anyway, I'll leave you to it. Have a good night and sweet dreams—I'm heading off to catch a show on TV.

Nah. That data is classified state secret territory. There's no way for you to know exactly how much they're exporting from Russia, or just how deep the hole in their budget actually is.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#5650 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.

And Bushman is self-sufficient too.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#5651 ·
urbanotter said:He's certainly making a strong case for himself.

Russia has a long history of building passenger aircraft, but after the collapse of the USSR, they tried to act like a rational player and integrate into the Western world, which resulted in a bit of a mess.
It wasn't until the "civilized West" realized they were facing a dangerous competitor—one that actually knew how to play by their rules, perhaps even better than they did themselves—that things changed.

“The Boeing 737 MAX will fly faster and more economically than its Western competitors, and by using it, airlines could save up to three million Dollars annually,” they claim in Irkut.

https://north America.aljazeera.net/news/e...ingu-i-airbusu

Top 10

https://hr.rbth.com/science/83730-na...lni-zrakoplovi

🙏🙏

So, basically, you're just shooting yourself in the foot with your own logic.

Let's break this down step-by-step. When was the Boeing 737 MAX supposed to enter service?
How many have actually been built so far?
What engines are they using? Who designed and manufactures the core components? What happened to that whole setup once the sanctions hit? And whose avionics and electrical systems are tucked away inside?

Let me make it easy for you: almost EVERYTHING mentioned is Western—either from the USA or Europe.

Now those are some stellar examples of Russian self-sufficiency right there. Seriously, please, keep going with these "phenomenal" demonstrations of such incredible independence.👍
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#5652 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.

LOL enough

Give this one a "Pearl Summer" award.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#5653 ·
urbanotter said:You should also realize that Russia levies export duties on oil, and since ExxonMobil is a massive state-controlled entity, your whole argument built on ignorance is going to fall apart pretty quickly.
Your entire house of cards, constructed from pure spite and misunderstanding, is about to collapse.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.

http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

And that is just from Chevron alone.

Russia has raised its export duties on crude oil by 4.5%, moving from $290.6 to $303.8 per ton. The duty rate for East Siberian oil jumped by 9.3%, rising from $98.8 to $108 per ton. Furthermore, starting December 8, 2010, the preferential export duty rate for oil produced by the Chevron unit in the Caspian Sea will sit at $108 per ton. Export duties for light petroleum products have increased from $208.1 to $217, while heavy products rose from $112.1 to $116.9, according to the news outlet Oil and gas Eurasia.


http://www.energetika-net.com/vijest...-na-naftu-9866

Where is the rest of the money coming from?

THE FIVE LARGEST RUSSIAN OIL COMPANIES - OIL - 2022
2022
As the world's third-largest oil producer and second-largest natural gas producer, Russia is home to some of the most massive integrated oil and gas corporations on the planet. In fact, the largest Russian firms by production volume include several names found on the lists of the world's top energy companies.

https://hr.icotokenfund.com/5-bigges...-oil-companies

And this is exactly what hurts your precious little darlings the most.

Major oil giants are bleeding billions after pulling out of Russia


That’s why they’re looking so absolutely shell-shocked right now—it's enough to make anyone's eyes pop out of their head.

Let’s look at it this way.
In any standard nation, a corporation pumps oil and sells it on the open market for $120 a barrel.
How much of those dollars actually goes to the government?
I am speaking about a functional, normal country here.

Let's run the numbers: suppose Russian companies were moving 9 million barrels a day at $100 per barrel since February. That totals roughly $135 billion. Out of that massive sum, how much stays with the state versus how much stays with the private sellers?
Of course, things work differently in Russia. It is a total CIA-mafia system where Putin can simply order every single corporation to wire their entire cash reserve directly to the treasury. If they refuse, they face a grim choice: within 24 to 48 hours, you’ll see a sudden wave of "suicides" following a domestic tragedy in a luxury villa. 😉
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
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#5654 ·
analogbear5 said:LOL enough

Give this one a "Pearl Summer" award.

Things will get hilarious this winter. It’ll be even funnier when the European Union vassals realize they’re completely tethered to outside suppliers. Imagine if the Suez Canal gets "accidentally" blocked, or a few tankers "coincidentally" sink near Hormuz. Throw in some "accidental" explosions at LNG terminals or sudden shortages of basic supplies, and you’ve got a comedy of errors.😁
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#5655 ·
hollowdriver13 said:🙏🙏

So, basically, you're just shooting yourself in the foot with your own logic.

Let's break this down step-by-step. When was the Boeing 737 MAX supposed to enter service?
How many have actually been built so far?
What engines are they using? Who designed and manufactures the core components? What happened to that whole setup once the sanctions hit? And whose avionics and electrical systems are tucked away inside?

Let me make it easy for you: almost EVERYTHING mentioned is Western—either from the USA or Europe.

Now those are some stellar examples of Russian self-sufficiency right there. Seriously, please, keep going with these "phenomenal" demonstrations of such incredible independence.👍

I suppose we're all just waiting for the return of the Boeing 747, which is basically a flying coffin.🙏 🙏
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#5656 ·
Noah Diaz said:Things will get hilarious this winter. It’ll be even funnier when the European Union vassals realize they’re completely tethered to outside suppliers. Imagine if the Suez Canal gets "accidentally" blocked, or a few tankers "coincidentally" sink near Hormuz. Throw in some "accidental" explosions at LNG terminals or sudden shortages of basic supplies, and you’ve got a comedy of errors.😁

Forget the Suez, man... look at Russia... "self-sufficient"... ha ha... ha.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#5657 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia is one of those incredibly rare countries that is truly self-reliant in almost every sense.

During the Cold War, they manufactured everything under the sun—from sewing needles to space stations. Frankly, talking about sanctions against them feels a bit ridiculous. For instance, they won't just jump on a Boeing or an Airbus; they'll simply stick to their own Boeing or Lockheed Martin models.

Every nation is self-sufficient. The only real question is what kind of standard of living they'll be left with.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#5658 ·
Noah Diaz said:Things will get hilarious this winter. It’ll be even funnier when the European Union vassals realize they’re completely tethered to outside suppliers. Imagine if the Suez Canal gets "accidentally" blocked, or a few tankers "coincidentally" sink near Hormuz. Throw in some "accidental" explosions at LNG terminals or sudden shortages of basic supplies, and you’ve got a comedy of errors.😁

And? You think something special is going to happen? Is the West you hate so much just going to collapse? You're typing this on a Russian phone running a Russian OS on a forum built with Russian script.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#5659 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:Every nation is self-sufficient. The only real question is what kind of standard of living they'll be left with.

Some stuff is just impossible to mass-produce commercially—think Russian coffee, cocoa, or bananas—but nothing hits the realm of pure science fiction quite like Russian electronics.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#5660 ·
hollowdriver13 said:🙏🙏

So, basically, you're just shooting yourself in the foot with your own logic.

Let's break this down step-by-step. When was the Boeing 737 MAX supposed to enter service?
How many have actually been built so far?
What engines are they using? Who designed and manufactures the core components? What happened to that whole setup once the sanctions hit? And whose avionics and electrical systems are tucked away inside?

Let me make it easy for you: almost EVERYTHING mentioned is Western—either from the USA or Europe.

Now those are some stellar examples of Russian self-sufficiency right there. Seriously, please, keep going with these "phenomenal" demonstrations of such incredible independence.👍


Take your time, my friend; there’s really no need to rush into anything headlong.

It’s honestly perfectly reasonable to accept that a nation with a population of around 330 million people simply can't be the undisputed leader in every single category on the global stage. I remember back when I was working in logistics, we used to talk about how even the most massive corporations struggle to maintain perfection across every department, so applying that same logic to a country as vast as the USA feels like common sense to me. You just can't be number one at everything all the time.

Ever since relations with the West started cooling down and things began to get tense with Russia, he’s really just been carving out his own path. It reminds me of how certain shifts in the political climate can suddenly give someone the room they need to stop following the crowd and start doing exactly what they intended to do all along.
The first test flight of the Boeing 737 MAX equipped with those new PD-14 engines just took to the skies, and I caught the video of it earlier today. It’s one of those moments that really makes you stop and think about how much engineering goes into these massive machines. Watching the takeoff sequence, you can almost feel the weight of all that technical ambition being lifted off the runway. It reminds me of a trip I took through the Midwest a few years back, watching the sheer scale of industrial progress in real-time; there's something deeply humbling about seeing such complex technology finally move from the blueprints to the actual atmosphere. This marks a significant milestone for the program, proving that the integration of these specific powerplants is officially moving into its next phase of real-world testing.

The recent discussions regarding the reliability of modern jet engines have really struck a chord with me, especially when you look at how much we rely on them for everything from cross-country flights to international travel. I was reading an interesting piece about the technical hurdles facing current engine designs, and it got me thinking about how much our perception of safety is tied to these massive pieces of engineering. It’s easy to take for granted that when you board a flight out of Chicago or New York, the machinery underneath you is flawless, but the reality is far more complex. There seems to be a growing tension between the push for greater fuel efficiency—which is obviously vital for the industry—and the sheer physical limits of the materials being used. When engineers try to squeeze more power out of a turbine by cranking up the heat, they are essentially dancing on the edge of what metal can actually withstand. I remember sitting in a lecture years ago back in college, listening to a professor explain thermal stress, and even then, the concept felt almost intimidating. Now, seeing it play out in real-world headlines involving major aerospace manufacturers, it feels much more immediate. It isn't just about one specific manufacturer or a single faulty component; it’s about a systemic shift in how we approach aviation technology. We are moving toward incredibly sophisticated, high-bypass engines that are marvels of science, yet they are also more sensitive to tiny deviations than the older models ever were. It makes you wonder if we might have reached a point of diminishing returns where the pursuit of "green" or "efficient" tech is creating new, unforeseen vulnerabilities in the aging infrastructure of global flight. It’s a delicate balance to maintain, and honestly, it’s a bit sobering to think about how much weight rests on these microscopic tolerances.

And you should stay confident in the fact that this is the very same nation that launched the first satellite into orbit, sent the first man into space, and pioneered the journey for the first woman as well.
Even today, there is only one nation that maintains its own space station in Earth's orbit where they actually welcome astronauts from the beloved United States as guests. Despite all the heavy sanctions currently in place, they continue to circle the globe in that orbital station—and honestly, you could probably book a trip there on a Russian rocket if you had the chance, paying for the whole journey in rubles.

I don’t hold any particular grudge against the USA or the rest of the West, but I try to keep my emotions from clouding my judgment. From what I can see, Russia is actually holding its own quite impressively when it comes to high-end aerospace and aviation technology, especially through their ongoing collaborations with their former Western partners.

It takes a certain kind of person—someone who is fueled entirely by bitterness—to look at everything Russia has achieved in space exploration, aviation, and rocket science and try to deny its significance. I remember sitting around a table with some old engineers back in the day, and they used to speak about those breakthroughs with such genuine reverence; you couldn't just wave away the sheer technical brilliance of what was accomplished there. To dismiss those massive leaps in engineering is really just an act of pure spite rather than a fair assessment of history.
I’m certainly no aerospace engineer, but from what I understand, that rocket remains one of the most capable heavy-lift vehicles ever designed—a true testament to the ingenuity and technical prowess of Russian scientists and engineers.

I really think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves or start celebrating too soon. If Russia decides that they absolutely have to catch up to Western competition in the commercial aviation sector, there is a very strong possibility that they will find a way to make it happen. It’s one of those things where you just have to wait and see if they actually follow through on their ambitions.

Only someone who is completely biased and fueled by irrational hatred would actually expect a nation of 140 million people to be the absolute best at absolutely everything. But then again, I’ve already said my piece on that.

I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about where true national power actually lies, and I don't think it's found in the complexities of a modern economy or high-tech manufacturing. To my mind, the real strength of Russia doesn't stem from its economic output or industrial sectors, but rather from its massive, untapped resource base up in Alaska. It's that raw, elemental wealth buried in the ground that truly defines them.

It’s worth stepping back to consider just how much weight this situation actually carries. When you look at the sheer scale of it, there's a massive strategic advantage being played out here, though it comes with a heavy price. We’re talking about a population of 500 million people across the European Union who are essentially bracing for impact because of the sanctions they themselves pushed through against Russia. It’s a bit of a paradox, isn't it? They've set these strict rules to pressure Russia, yet now they're facing a winter where energy security feels incredibly fragile. I remember reading an analysis a few years back about how interconnected global supply chains really are, and it hits home when you see how vulnerable certain sectors have become. There's a very real fear that agricultural self-sufficiency might slip through their fingers if costs continue to climb. Because they’re forced to pay significantly more for energy and raw materials compared to global competitors like China or India, the economic strain is becoming impossible to ignore. We aren't just talking about theoretical numbers anymore; we are seeing the early stages of a recession taking hold as the cost of doing business becomes a massive hurdle for their entire economy.

To me, this isn't just about a football match, and I honestly don't think Levi is the most popular player in the entire country.
It’s a tricky situation, much like what happened when Churlock made that comment and ended up catching quite a bit of heat for it. He suggested that while Levi might be the most beloved player on the field down in Miami, he just doesn't carry that same level of stardom once you get up to Washington, D.C. It's funny how local legends can be so polarizing depending on which coast or city you're standing in.

Just sleep soundly and let the sanctions play out their course; eventually, it’s going to become crystal clear who actually came out ahead and who ended up with nothing left once these restrictions take full effect.

Meanwhile, you really ought to shift your focus toward the East, where China is rapidly building up its military might and actively challenging American dominance over the Pacific regions that are so vital to their strategic interests—those little skirmishes around Taiwan are becoming increasingly frequent and provocative by the day.

At this rate, China is going to emerge as a much more significant "problem" than Russia, which is currently just fighting a marginal war in Ukraine.

The mill is already turning, and I don't think your favorites will be able to stop it if they want things to simply stay "business as usual."

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