Sanctions on Russia

George Robinson43 said:No worries at all, old man.
If we start implementing odd-even rationing and gas vouchers plus electricity cuts, everything will be just wonderful.
Just as wonderful as you’ve spent years telling us things used to be back in your home country.

Are you seriously talking about this crisis?

http://www.history.alberta.ca/energy...d-1978-79.aspx

The price of oil in North America quadrupled within Months , service stations ran out of fuel and Long lines of gasoline-starved Drivers were Common sites across The continent.

It seems the impact wasn't selective based on how organized a country was; it hit everyone in order. In Germany, they had weekend driving bans, while here we dealt with odd-even days... and so on.

urbanotter said:Please spare me the adolescent, pathetic attempts at wisdom and the cheap ad hominem attacks.

If you actually have something intelligent to contribute regarding the sanctions on Russia, I'm all ears, but if not, then just move on.🕺

Don't waste your breath because...
All the little ducklings gathered 'round,
Standing there just like schoolkids;
While the old duck put on
His reading glasses.

He taught them and taught them
From Wednesday until Friday,
But they haven't moved an inch
From where they started.

mellowsurfer14 said:Are you seriously talking about this crisis?

http://www.history.alberta.ca/energy...d-1978-79.aspx

The price of oil in North America quadrupled within Months , service stations ran out of fuel and Long lines of gasoline-starved Drivers were Common sites across The continent.

It seems the impact wasn't selective based on how organized a country was; it hit everyone in order. In Germany, they had weekend driving bans, while here we dealt with odd-even days... and so on.

Give me a break, seriously,
because there are people trying to convince us that America had some kind of exclusive immunity back then, even though there weren't any sanctions.

Now that we actually have these sanctions in place, and with people thinking everything can be solved overnight through various schemes or just by scrolling through TikTok, it’s almost laughable.

Forget those old queues or the minor shortages and those socialist-era quirks;
we are supposed to live in a "free market" now, where there is a free flow of goods, people, and capital, all under supposedly equal market conditions.
I don't quite 🤔 see how sanctions and asset freezes are meant to fit into those very principles.🤔🤷🙂

Interesting. Turkey blocked a Russian ship carrying grain because it’s hauling exactly 7 tons of Ukrainian wheat ☕
I was looking at our farmers' yields... we're talking 5-6 tons per acre minimum. So, the Turks probably stopped that ship on orders from the West just over one single acre of Ukrainian grain (or so the Ukrainians claim). ☕

We can worry about whether people will starve in the areas where that grain was headed later. Besides, people in Africa and the Middle East aren't exactly top of mind right now—they're basically branded as terrorists from birth anyway, so Biden supporters don't care. Nobody's going to scream if they die. ☕

rowdyraven112 said:Interesting. Turkey blocked a Russian ship carrying grain because it’s hauling exactly 7 tons of Ukrainian wheat ☕
I was looking at our farmers' yields... we're talking 5-6 tons per acre minimum. So, the Turks probably stopped that ship on orders from the West just over one single acre of Ukrainian grain (or so the Ukrainians claim). ☕

We can worry about whether people will starve in the areas where that grain was headed later. Besides, people in Africa and the Middle East aren't exactly top of mind right now—they're basically branded as terrorists from birth anyway, so Biden supporters don't care. Nobody's going to scream if they die. ☕

Looking at the photo of the ship, its capacity looks to be around 6,000 to 7,000 tons.

Now, it really depends on whether the vessel is completely full or just partially loaded, but even if it is at max capacity, that amount is just a drop in the bucket compared to the 20 million tons reportedly still sitting in those Ukrainian silos.
Let the Turkish authorities handle their business; in the grand scheme of things, this is a pretty marginal incident.

urbanotter said:Looking at the photo of the ship, its capacity looks to be around 6,000 to 7,000 tons.

Now, it really depends on whether the vessel is completely full or just partially loaded, but even if it is at max capacity, that amount is just a drop in the bucket compared to the 20 million tons reportedly still sitting in those Ukrainian silos.
Let the Turkish authorities handle their business; in the grand scheme of things, this is a pretty marginal incident.

You two ever heard that old expression "stolen and cursed"?

rowdyraven112 said:Interesting. Turkey blocked a Russian ship carrying grain because it’s hauling exactly 7 tons of Ukrainian wheat ☕
I was looking at our farmers' yields... we're talking 5-6 tons per acre minimum. So, the Turks probably stopped that ship on orders from the West just over one single acre of Ukrainian grain (or so the Ukrainians claim). ☕

We can worry about whether people will starve in the areas where that grain was headed later. Besides, people in Africa and the Middle East aren't exactly top of mind right now—they're basically branded as terrorists from birth anyway, so Biden supporters don't care. Nobody's going to scream if they die. ☕

You missed three zeros. That's 1,000 times.

urbanotter said:It seems pretty likely.

But there is a silver lining here,😁
we won't have to deal with the hypocrisy of being forced into actions due to sanctions,
sanctions that used to target just one specific nation but now seem aimed at a massive number of countries and billions of people worldwide.😉

That really brings up a whole series of questions.

I mean, what have we actually been doing for the last 40 years? What was the point of all those sacrifices made in the hope of a better life, if everything ends up exactly the same—or perhaps even worse?🤔

Everything is perfectly fine.
It is high time the younger generations experienced that same "comfort" we enjoyed back in the 80s.
A little bit of this, a few vouchers, then total darkness without electricity, followed by hyperinflation, and currency devaluations every six months...
Pure bliss! You've spent countless times on various forums claiming life has never been better than it was back then.
I don't understand the sudden fear or whining, especially since we know exactly how to handle rising fuel prices. Back in the day, the Federal Executive Council and our friend Hershey solved those kinds of problems without breaking a sweat.

feralhawk45 said:You missed three zeros. That's 1,000 times.

He really tried to play the intellectual, sipping his coffee (☕) while typing out such nonsense.
To make matters worse, he tried to justify his blunder by claiming it was about wheat from a single acre, all while still enjoying that cup of coffee. ☕

mellowsurfer14 said:Are you seriously talking about this crisis?

http://www.history.alberta.ca/energy...d-1978-79.aspx

The price of oil in North America quadrupled within Months , service stations ran out of fuel and Long lines of gasoline-starved Drivers were Common sites across The continent.

It seems the impact wasn't selective based on how organized a country was; it hit everyone in order. In Germany, they had weekend driving bans, while here we dealt with odd-even days... and so on.

In George Robinson43's country, the impact arrived a couple of years later, and the crisis dragged on for about 6 or 7 years longer. It’s like the government was stuck in a massive time delay.

rowdyraven112 said:Interesting. Turkey blocked a Russian ship carrying grain because it’s hauling exactly 7 tons of Ukrainian wheat ☕
I was looking at our farmers' yields... we're talking 5-6 tons per acre minimum. So, the Turks probably stopped that ship on orders from the West just over one single acre of Ukrainian grain (or so the Ukrainians claim). ☕

We can worry about whether people will starve in the areas where that grain was headed later. Besides, people in Africa and the Middle East aren't exactly top of mind right now—they're basically branded as terrorists from birth anyway, so Biden supporters don't care. Nobody's going to scream if they die. ☕

Have you considered that those "born terrorists" might actually face much less hunger if some barbaric Eastern tribe allowed the export of grain they actually own, instead of just what they stole?

Listen, I've thought about it. 😵

swiftjackal11 said:You two ever heard that old expression "stolen and cursed"?

I've certainly heard it, though the real challenge is proving that anything was actually stolen in the first place—not to mention there is always war booty involved that no victor ever leaves behind.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of sanctions...

If Mark Twain were still around today, I think he’d tweak his old observations slightly to fit this era, and it would probably sound something like this:

"The time for sanctions arrives when the wise fall silent, seven samurai start shouting, and India and China strike it rich."🙏

George Robinson43 said:Everything is perfectly fine.
It is high time the younger generations experienced that same "comfort" we enjoyed back in the 80s.
A little bit of this, a few vouchers, then total darkness without electricity, followed by hyperinflation, and currency devaluations every six months...
Pure bliss! You've spent countless times on various forums claiming life has never been better than it was back then.
I don't understand the sudden fear or whining, especially since we know exactly how to handle rising fuel prices. Back in the day, the Federal Executive Council and our friend Hershey solved those kinds of problems without breaking a sweat.

This thread is specifically about "sanctions on Russia."

As for whatever else is bothering you, we've already covered that extensively in the discussion regarding America, so feel free to head back over there.

Personally, those sanctions actually inspired a bit of poetic nostalgia in me, reminiscent of Shakespeare.

Oh, the beautiful, dear, and sweet sanctions,
a gift in which all the blessings God bestowed upon us lie,
the true cause of all our glory,
the sole adornment of this Forest,
all the silver, all the gold, and all human lives
could never equal the payment for your pure beauty!🙏🙏

Back in October, I was lecturing about how gas prices would hit $5.00 by 2022, and potentially soar past $6.75 by 2023. War wasn't even on my radar back then. I was focused on Seattle and the push for decarbonization across the European Union and the rest of the developed West. My whole point was posing a question: how exactly will they force citizens and economists in the developed world to abandon fossil fuels behind closed doors?
I felt the sting of the 1980s oil crisis myself, and honestly, I didn't view it as some grand tragedy.
Ever since February 24th, you've been asking... does any of this actually have anything to do with this war?
A bit off-topic... sorry.

urbanotter said:I've certainly heard it, though the real challenge is proving that anything was actually stolen in the first place—not to mention there is always war booty involved that no victor ever leaves behind.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of sanctions...

If Mark Twain were still around today, I think he’d tweak his old observations slightly to fit this era, and it would probably sound something like this:

"The time for sanctions arrives when the wise fall silent, seven samurai start shouting, and India and China strike it rich."🙏

Just look at this guy.
Spoils of war... 🙏 🙏

If these bots were sent over to Ukraine, they wouldn't come home empty-handed; they'd return with 20 washing machines, 10 tons of grain, 6 AC units, 4 radiators, 2 cars, and 3 combines each!

feralhawk45 said:Back in October, I was lecturing about how gas prices would hit $5.00 by 2022, and potentially soar past $6.75 by 2023. War wasn't even on my radar back then. I was focused on Seattle and the push for decarbonization across the European Union and the rest of the developed West. My whole point was posing a question: how exactly will they force citizens and economists in the developed world to abandon fossil fuels behind closed doors?
I felt the sting of the 1980s oil crisis myself, and honestly, I didn't view it as some grand tragedy.
Ever since February 24th, you've been asking... does any of this actually have anything to do with this war?
A bit off-topic... sorry.

Even if there isn't a direct link, this situation might actually serve them well. Europe is going to struggle without Russian gas and oil, but honestly, their forced march toward decarbonization will be even harder. They lack the infrastructure to pull it off, and the timeline they've set is wildly optimistic. We'll just have to wait and see.

George Robinson43 said:Just look at this guy.
Spoils of war... 🙏 🙏

If these bots were sent over to Ukraine, they wouldn't come home empty-handed; they'd return with 20 washing machines, 10 tons of grain, 6 AC units, 4 radiators, 2 cars, and 3 combines each!

If he weren't such an off-topic nut, he’d probably give you a full rundown of everything that ended up on the American market during the Gulf War.

I remember hearing people brag about how Ukrainians managed to seize howitzers and tanks from the Russians and then used them to strike back.

Honestly, one single howitzer like that is worth more than two massive shipments of wheat.

That didn't seem to bother you much back when things were happening in the Middle East, nor did it seem to catch your eye.

Maybe it’s because they were just handing the ammunition right back to them.😁

Anyway, moving on.

Let us know if there's any news regarding the new round of sanctions; I heard they had another meeting today.
Hopefully, they actually came up with something useful instead of just sitting around sipping champagne.

urbanotter said:If he weren't such an off-topic nut, he’d probably give you a full rundown of everything that ended up on the American market during the Gulf War.

I remember hearing people brag about how Ukrainians managed to seize howitzers and tanks from the Russians and then used them to strike back.

Honestly, one single howitzer like that is worth more than two massive shipments of wheat.

That didn't seem to bother you much back when things were happening in the Middle East, nor did it seem to catch your eye.

Maybe it’s because they were just handing the ammunition right back to them.😁

Anyway, moving on.

Let us know if there's any news regarding the new round of sanctions; I heard they had another meeting today.
Hopefully, they actually came up with something useful instead of just sitting around sipping champagne.

Alright, since you're always making fun of sanctions while claiming you're neutral—saying you aren't pro-Russia and you're against the invasion—what would urbanotter from the forums suggest we use as actual leverage to stop Russia in this war?
What exactly? Give us some concrete ideas so we can actually debate it, especially if you think economic sanctions aren't the way to go (though I think we can all agree that sanctions are a hell of a lot cheaper than sending Western troops directly into Ukraine).

urbanotter said:If he weren't such an off-topic nut, he’d probably give you a full rundown of everything that ended up on the American market during the Gulf War.

I remember hearing people brag about how Ukrainians managed to seize howitzers and tanks from the Russians and then used them to strike back.

Honestly, one single howitzer like that is worth more than two massive shipments of wheat.

That didn't seem to bother you much back when things were happening in the Middle East, nor did it seem to catch your eye.

Maybe it’s because they were just handing the ammunition right back to them.😁

Anyway, moving on.

Let us know if there's any news regarding the new round of sanctions; I heard they had another meeting today.
Hopefully, they actually came up with something useful instead of just sitting around sipping champagne.

Look, you guys need to realize—we aren't the ones deciding when this war ends here on the forum. We don't decide which sanctions work or don't. All we want is to make sure some aggressor doesn't try the same thing to us down the road just because he got away with it.

urbanotter said:If he weren't such an off-topic nut, he’d probably give you a full rundown of everything that ended up on the American market during the Gulf War.

I remember hearing people brag about how Ukrainians managed to seize howitzers and tanks from the Russians and then used them to strike back.

Honestly, one single howitzer like that is worth more than two massive shipments of wheat.

That didn't seem to bother you much back when things were happening in the Middle East, nor did it seem to catch your eye.

Maybe it’s because they were just handing the ammunition right back to them.😁

Anyway, moving on.

Let us know if there's any news regarding the new round of sanctions; I heard they had another meeting today.
Hopefully, they actually came up with something useful instead of just sitting around sipping champagne.

Are you seriously comparing seizing weapons from an invader to stealing wheat? 🤦

Do you realize there is a massive difference between those two things? It’s a rhetorical question. I realized long ago that everything in your universe is distorted and completely lacks common sense or logic.