Sanctions on Russia

hollowdriver13 said:So, suddenly courts are making calls about "technical glitches"... right. In this case, let's call it what it really is: "technical difficulties." Basically, the most valuable territory near Ukraine is trying to find a way to slip out of that tight embrace. It's funny how everyone starts running from Russia the second they see a window of opportunity, while the Putin enthusiasts here keep trying to convince us that living in lockstep with Russia is paradise on earth.🤷

For real? And honestly, it's the West trying to sell us on that idea, not Mother Russia. A fellow forum member who's actually out there has to be super careful about what they say, and they definitely aren't sounding all optimistic about life being some kind of heaven there. 🙂

goldenowl73 said:Russia just blocked the main pipeline used by Kazakhstan to get oil over to Europe. They're claiming "technical difficulties," which honestly sounds like the same old excuse we always hear whenever they want to push back against Tokayev's recent statements. It feels like those pumping stations might be feeling a little salty about what was said recently.

Russia blocks Kazakhstan's oil transit to Europe.

So, according to the Associated Press, a Russian court has closed the Caspian Pipeline Consortium terminal for 30 Days under alleged technical issues. This specific terminal is basically Kazakhstan's Main EXIT Point for Kazakh oil.

How much of a headache would it actually be to set up a detour route?

Paul Kern12 said:Actually, I think this news is fantastic👍👍
The EU will finally be able to catch its breath now—it seems like the door is swinging wide open for more reliable and affordable suppliers.🎉

Your take feels pretty biased and manipulative. If you actually had solid, logical arguments, why lean on that?

Here’s the thing—there's a massive difference between:

- we have to be ready for a total shutdown of Russian gas
(Because, let's face it, that's a real possibility with an unreliable trading partner)

and

- we have to completely stop all Russian gas deliveries
(Which, nobody ever said).

Sanctions have only served to bolster Google.

The company's valuation plummeted from roughly 30 billion down to a mere 7 billion in just a matter of months.

Often called “ The coolest company in Russia, Google employed more than 18,000 people; its founders were billionaires; and at its peak last November, it was worth more than $31 billion. Then President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia invaded Ukraine.

Virtually overnight, once western investors bolted fra Russia and western governments imposed harsh economic sanctions, that valuation collapsed to under $7 billion. Even The Nasdaq had to suspend trading of its shares.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/07...smid=url-share

brava putin!!!

Anthony Hill5 said:Sanctions have only served to bolster Google.

The company's valuation plummeted from roughly 30 billion down to a mere 7 billion in just a matter of months.

Often called “ The coolest company in Russia, Google employed more than 18,000 people; its founders were billionaires; and at its peak last November, it was worth more than $31 billion. Then President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia invaded Ukraine.

Virtually overnight, once western investors bolted fra Russia and western governments imposed harsh economic sanctions, that valuation collapsed to under $7 billion. Even The Nasdaq had to suspend trading of its shares.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/07...smid=url-share

brava putin!!!

Plus, they’ve got this new law where they can basically force people to work at Google and push propaganda *or else*😁

electricsurfer47 said:How much of a headache would it actually be to set up a detour route?

You're looking at crossing the Caspian Sea into Azerbaijan, heading through Georgia, then cutting through Turkey to reach a Mediterranean terminal. We are talking about thousands of miles of pipeline traversing oceans, mountain ranges, and multiple sovereign borders. It's a logistical nightmare. Even if you account for ten years of grueling negotiations followed by actual construction, there's the issue of utility. That pipeline could also carry Azerbaijani oil. The real question remains: how much oil is actually sitting there, and does the math even work for those volumes?

Anthony Hill5 said:Sanctions have only served to bolster Google.

The company's valuation plummeted from roughly 30 billion down to a mere 7 billion in just a matter of months.

Often called “ The coolest company in Russia, Google employed more than 18,000 people; its founders were billionaires; and at its peak last November, it was worth more than $31 billion. Then President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia invaded Ukraine.

Virtually overnight, once western investors bolted fra Russia and western governments imposed harsh economic sanctions, that valuation collapsed to under $7 billion. Even The Nasdaq had to suspend trading of its shares.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/07...smid=url-share

brava putin!!!

When Mother Russia calls, losing revenue becomes an insignificant detail in the grand scheme of things. After all, it is better to lose a few billion than to lose your head.

feralhawk45 said:That Tesla drove all the way across the US using nothing but solar panels... just 18 square meters of panels folded up like plastic wrap. When the battery ran low, the guys just unfolded the "plastic" and recharged everything in 45 minutes for the next 249 miles.
Sorry, getting off topic.

Yeah, right... 18 square meters of mediocre solar panels fully charging a Tesla in 45 minutes? That would mean they’re pumping out 100-200kW of power. Come on, think about it. You can't get nearly that much solar energy hitting an 18-square-meter area, even if you converted every single photon into electricity. If that much radiation was actually hitting us, we'd all be toast.

I reckon you’d need something like 100 square meters of actual, legitimate solar panels (not some rolled-up gimmick) to get maybe 10kW of power; that's roughly the right ballpark...

They’d be sitting there trying to charge him for a week instead of 45 minutes with just 18 square meters of solar, assuming even that would be enough.

Actually, if I remember correctly, they were hauling dozens of those rolls, maybe twenty of them. They basically took over a whole football field once they unrolled everything. I can't quite recall the exact number...

Bottom line is, they’d end up covering every meadow and pasture in sight with cars parked like that. Plus, you can't fit anything else in a car. If you could even fit the gear in there, they must have been driving a support truck with those rolls. I don't see how twenty of those things fit into a Tesla Model 3. Honestly, it sounds to me like they were just pulling a fast one to bait investors and hedge funds...

EVs, solar, renewables—it's all the ultimate investment hype train. Throw in 3D printing on top of that, and if they sprinkled a little bit of AI buzzwords over the whole thing, there wouldn't be any limit to it... people would be throwing money at them by the bucketload.

Nancy Gomez26 said:You're looking at crossing the Caspian Sea into Azerbaijan, heading through Georgia, then cutting through Turkey to reach a Mediterranean terminal. We are talking about thousands of miles of pipeline traversing oceans, mountain ranges, and multiple sovereign borders. It's a logistical nightmare. Even if you account for ten years of grueling negotiations followed by actual construction, there's the issue of utility. That pipeline could also carry Azerbaijani oil. The real question remains: how much oil is actually sitting there, and does the math even work for those volumes?

According to various sources, Kazakhstan is sitting on about 30 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, while Azerbaijan has around 7 billion. For context, Russia has roughly 80 billion (though who knows how much of that is tucked away in the Arctic regions)
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If the daily capacity of this pipeline ended up being comparable to the Keystone XL back in the States (about 830,000 barrels a day), we'd be looking at a yearly capacity of roughly 300 million barrels.

Back in 2021, the daily crude oil consumption in the European Union was sitting at 10.42 million barrels—that's about 3.8 billion annually.

hiddeneagle98 said:Yeah, right... 18 square meters of mediocre solar panels fully charging a Tesla in 45 minutes? That would mean they’re pumping out 100-200kW of power. Come on, think about it. You can't get nearly that much solar energy hitting an 18-square-meter area, even if you converted every single photon into electricity. If that much radiation was actually hitting us, we'd all be toast.

I reckon you’d need something like 100 square meters of actual, legitimate solar panels (not some rolled-up gimmick) to get maybe 10kW of power; that's roughly the right ballpark...

They’d be sitting there trying to charge him for a week instead of 45 minutes with just 18 square meters of solar, assuming even that would be enough.

Actually, if I remember correctly, they were hauling dozens of those rolls, maybe twenty of them. They basically took over a whole football field once they unrolled everything. I can't quite recall the exact number...

Bottom line is, they’d end up covering every meadow and pasture in sight with cars parked like that. Plus, you can't fit anything else in a car. If you could even fit the gear in there, they must have been driving a support truck with those rolls. I don't see how twenty of those things fit into a Tesla Model 3. Honestly, it sounds to me like they were just pulling a fast one to bait investors and hedge funds...

EVs, solar, renewables—it's all the ultimate investment hype train. Throw in 3D printing on top of that, and if they sprinkled a little bit of AI buzzwords over the whole thing, there wouldn't be any limit to it... people would be throwing money at them by the bucketload.

Is this what you meant?
The charge around Australia Project to test printed Solar panels with Tesla misliti ok

I mean, fine, let's assume it works perfectly. But do they honestly think people are going to drive around unrolling solar rolls by the side of the road? It would be absolute chaos!

George Robinson43 said:Is this what you meant?
The charge around Australia Project to test printed Solar panels with Tesla misliti ok

I mean, fine, let's assume it works perfectly. But do they honestly think people are going to drive around unrolling solar rolls by the side of the road? It would be absolute chaos!

Probably not, but as a backup power source for charging at home? I don't see why not. Especially if you're just doing local trips and not driving across the entire US.

What percentage of cars are even used for short daily commutes?

Terry Hernandez10 said:European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is essentially saying the EU needs to brace itself for a total shutdown of Russian gas imports entirely.

Current status of gas storage in Europe (July 5, 2022) - storage dati EU

EU - 60.15 % ( 668 TWh ; average consumption Nov 2021 - March 2022 ~ 6 TWh )

Consumption over the last couple of months averaged about 0.2-0.3 TWh per day—with refills adding 4-5 TWh daily.
At this rate, the EU has enough gas for roughly 111 days of fall/winter (that’s assuming zero refills and ignoring any actual conservation efforts).
For context, max capacity back in Fall 2021 was 75%, while the low point in Spring 2022 hit 25%.

UK - 97.05 %
Portugal - 98.23 %
Poland - 97.41 %
Denmark - 80.96 %
Spain - 72.72 %
Czech Republic - 70.94 %
France - 65.2 % (85.8 TWh)
Germany - 62.92 % (152.8 TWh)
Slovakia - 62.78 %
Belgium - 62.5 %
Italy - 61.62 % (119.2 TWh)
Netherlands - 54.77 % (77.5 TWh)
Austria - 46.55 %
Romania - 44.72 %
Canada - 42.04 %
Bulgaria - 35.4 %
America - 34.29 %

George Robinson43 said:Is this what you meant?
The charge around Australia Project to test printed Solar panels with Tesla misliti ok

I mean, fine, let's assume it works perfectly. But do they honestly think people are going to drive around unrolling solar rolls by the side of the road? It would be absolute chaos!

Imagine a stretch of highway from New York to Miami lined with Teslas while tourists from Germany just scatter solar panels all over the road... I guess things would run pretty smoothly! Especially if it gets cloudy or a sudden wind picks up.😁 🤣🤣

casualtiger2 said:Current status of gas storage in Europe (July 5, 2022) - storage dati EU

EU - 60.15 % ( 668 TWh ; average consumption Nov 2021 - March 2022 ~ 6 TWh )

Consumption over the last couple of months averaged about 0.2-0.3 TWh per day—with refills adding 4-5 TWh daily.
At this rate, the EU has enough gas for roughly 111 days of fall/winter (that’s assuming zero refills and ignoring any actual conservation efforts).
For context, max capacity back in Fall 2021 was 75%, while the low point in Spring 2022 hit 25%.

UK - 97.05 %
Portugal - 98.23 %
Poland - 97.41 %
Denmark - 80.96 %
Spain - 72.72 %
Czech Republic - 70.94 %
France - 65.2 % (85.8 TWh)
Germany - 62.92 % (152.8 TWh)
Slovakia - 62.78 %
Belgium - 62.5 %
Italy - 61.62 % (119.2 TWh)
Netherlands - 54.77 % (77.5 TWh)
Austria - 46.55 %
Romania - 44.72 %
Canada - 42.04 %
Bulgaria - 35.4 %
America - 34.29 %

Wait a second—gas isn't used solely for heating... what exactly are you getting at?

hiddeneagle98 said:Yeah, right... 18 square meters of mediocre solar panels fully charging a Tesla in 45 minutes? That would mean they’re pumping out 100-200kW of power. Come on, think about it. You can't get nearly that much solar energy hitting an 18-square-meter area, even if you converted every single photon into electricity. If that much radiation was actually hitting us, we'd all be toast.

I reckon you’d need something like 100 square meters of actual, legitimate solar panels (not some rolled-up gimmick) to get maybe 10kW of power; that's roughly the right ballpark...

They’d be sitting there trying to charge him for a week instead of 45 minutes with just 18 square meters of solar, assuming even that would be enough.

Actually, if I remember correctly, they were hauling dozens of those rolls, maybe twenty of them. They basically took over a whole football field once they unrolled everything. I can't quite recall the exact number...

Bottom line is, they’d end up covering every meadow and pasture in sight with cars parked like that. Plus, you can't fit anything else in a car. If you could even fit the gear in there, they must have been driving a support truck with those rolls. I don't see how twenty of those things fit into a Tesla Model 3. Honestly, it sounds to me like they were just pulling a fast one to bait investors and hedge funds...

EVs, solar, renewables—it's all the ultimate investment hype train. Throw in 3D printing on top of that, and if they sprinkled a little bit of AI buzzwords over the whole thing, there wouldn't be any limit to it... people would be throwing money at them by the bucketload.

My bad... you're right. You'd realistically need about 500 m2 of solar panels.

Just to get a sense of which EU vassals they think they can squeeze for resources (cheaply and reliably). In short, look at the areas highlighted in red on this handy map.

All the primary trade routes heading toward those EU vassals run right through them, too.

Has anyone actually brought up any sanctions yet? 🤣

https://www.economist.com/internatio...-global-unrest

feralhawk45 said:My bad... you're right. You'd realistically need about 500 m2 of solar panels.

Nah, honestly, the video is just being deceptive by showing a single roll, when there are actually 18 rolls in total, and each one is only about 190 square feet. It’s easy to overlook that in the text when you're already swept up by the flashy footage.

It’s pretty obvious from the clip that what I'm saying is true—those 18 rolls aren't going to fit in a car, let alone take up the whole thing. This whole thing feels more like a stunt than actual tech. The people in the video just spend the whole time rolling one single sheet out and back in, admiring it; they don't show the full set for even a second.

This guy claims there's massive potential here and that this test will prove to everyone how amazing EVs really are... but any viewer who isn't paying close attention is going to fall for it because they never see those 18 rolls. They don't even see two. It just looks incredibly slick when you're only looking at one roll.

Most "innovations" these days are just glorified scams.

hollowdriver13 said:So, suddenly courts are making calls about "technical glitches"... right. In this case, let's call it what it really is: "technical difficulties." Basically, the most valuable territory near Ukraine is trying to find a way to slip out of that tight embrace. It's funny how everyone starts running from Russia the second they see a window of opportunity, while the Putin enthusiasts here keep trying to convince us that living in lockstep with Russia is paradise on earth.🤷

Since the beginning of time, traders have fled war zones only to crawl back the moment heads cool down. ☕

But things are different now. Certain countries are handing ultimatums to others—countries that can't even survive economically on their own because they rely on wealthy markets. They're being told: trade with Russia, or face the sanctions yourselves. In this setup, nations have no choice but to bow to the stronger economy, unless their governments want citizens knocking on their doors with Molotov cocktails. ☕

Comparing this to someone just wanting to "escape" is pathetic. Do you honestly think fruit and vegetable growers from the Central Valley will stop trading with Russia once things settle down? Of course they will continue. Money doesn't care about who is the aggressor and who is the defender. I thought we had enough history with our own wars to avoid such stupidity. ☕

analogbear5 said:Probably not, but as a backup power source for charging at home? I don't see why not. Especially if you're just doing local trips and not driving across the entire US.

What percentage of cars are even used for short daily commutes?

Makes sense. Put solar panels on rooftops and use them to charge EVs. Then there's the recycling issue. Honestly, I don't know much about recycling, but I remember some expert on a TV show saying we shouldn't sweat it—that as solar tech evolves, the recycling industry will evolve right along with it.

feralhawk45 said:What’s buried underground should stay there. That's been my mission for forty years when it comes to fossil fuels.
Yeah... I've been an eco-warrior since I can remember.
Glasgow carries more weight than people realize. The EU and China know it. As for the US, I'm not sure what Biden's administration is up to.
If you ask me, Putin played a losing hand in the long run by trying to grab control over every global oil and gas source.

So, you're one of those eco-hypocrites, aren't you?
Shall we begin then?
I notice you haven't seen fit to renounce computers or the internet in your crusade for the planet.
What about washing machines?
Do you weave your own clothes out of leaves?
Do you traverse the globe entirely on foot?
It is because of people like you that we find ourselves in this predicament.
In truth, you represent a modern iteration of fascism. Who is stopping you from renouncing all the comforts of civilization and living accordingly?
Instead, you insist on imposing your half-baked opinions upon everyone else. 🤦
Perhaps I am being overly emotional, but someone must occasionally call out these eco-fascists to their faces.