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Sanctions on Russia

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silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#1301 ·
A few Putinophiles were right here at the very beginning of this thread—and looking back from where we are now, even around the middle—cheering for a massive China to step in and save Russia.

Since I touched on this before, I suppose I’ll say it again.
The Western world—and I don't just mean the European Union and the USA, but everyone who joined the sanctions, like Japan and others—is deploying its heaviest weaponry to dismantle Russia from within.
China is watching all of this unfold, quite carefully, I think. Despite having a massive economy, they’ve been living on the edge for a while now, and they have absolutely no desire to find themselves in the crosshairs of the heavy artillery currently aimed at Russia, which seems to be gaining momentum with every passing day.

The leadership in China strikes me as being far more pragmatic than the Russians. At least for the time being, anyway, and they seem to have a much stronger affinity for capitalism. I might even go so far as to say they embrace it more than some Western nations do.
Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active Member
134 messages
joined Aug 2010
#1302 ·
Vladimir has announced hikes for minimum wages, pensions, and public sector salaries.

Which means—if you're tracking the math—we can probably expect inflation to spike pretty soon.

And just to keep everyone distracted, he's organizing some sort of Olympic Games.
It’s such a classic Soviet-style move—honestly, there's no way they don't end up broke and begging for scraps.
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2022
#1303 ·
boldotter2 said:Nah. First, those frozen and seized assets will probably be used to cover the damage done to civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.

The IMF basically said they’ll throw billions at just about anything. This isn't a situation Russia is ever getting out of, if they get out at all. It all hinges on China—if they don't keep buying stuff like Russian gas, the Russian economy loses its entire purpose. Then you're left wondering if Vladimir will decide to invade China just because they won't play ball.🙄

Theory and practice both point to this: 1. Any economic powerhouse eventually sees its inflation stabilize,
2. Even if China teamed up with Russia, they’d still be trailing by at least 10%. It makes sense for China to help, but they aren't going to fully swallow Russia whole. Chinese culture is built on rejecting those kinds of deals, though nobody wants to make enemies.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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joined Nov 2023
#1304 ·
The dollar is making its comeback after days of sliding, and now we're seeing it dip below the $100 mark
Carl Sanders5 Carl Sanders5 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Mar 2022
#1305 ·
George Davis6 said:It won't happen, trust me on this one! I honestly don't see any legal basis for anyone to just seize, grab, and sell off private property...

They can demand proof of where that money actually came from.

If they can't prove the cash was earned legally? Then bye-bye!
Arthur Booth96 Arthur Booth96 Active Member
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joined Feb 2011
#1306 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:The dollar is making its comeback after days of sliding, and now we're seeing it dip below the $100 mark

I mean, please, let's not confuse a standard "exchange rate" on FX markets—where speculators make their living off whatever is happening in Russia—with reality: https://www.cbr.ru/eng/currency_base/daily/ I guess this specific rate is just what the banks use, so once they tack on their own margins for the general public, the actual cost is going to be even higher.
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#1307 ·
While we're all busy arguing over whether Tchaikovsky or Medvedev is more relevant, French companies are quietly shipping out thermal cameras and flooring equipment to Russia that were ordered just before the sanctions kicked in—so why are we even bothering with these distractions?
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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joined Sep 2014
#1308 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:While we're all busy arguing over whether Tchaikovsky or Medvedev is more relevant, French companies are quietly shipping out thermal cameras and flooring equipment to Russia that were ordered just before the sanctions kicked in—so why are we even bothering with these distractions?

Link?
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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joined Feb 2024
#1309 ·
Honestly, I don't even think this qualifies as parody at this point. It's just wild.

Putin calms investors by saying Russian Stock market can't crash if IT never reopens https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat...eUQnmjr7g&s=19
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1310 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Honestly, I don't even think this qualifies as parody at this point. It's just wild.

Putin calms investors by saying Russian Stock market can't crash if IT never reopens https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat...eUQnmjr7g&s=19

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/d6a/....h473.w710.jpg
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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joined Feb 2024
#1311 ·
Oh my God, this is going to hit Vladimir way harder than some rookie's clumsy mistake with a test tube ever could.
No more Botox...
(Seriously though, that image choice is absolutely spot on, a perfect 10 out of 10)

Because of the war in #Ukraine, the American biopharmaceutical company #AbbVie Has suspended The supply of #Botox and #fillers to #Russia - the most popular products in Russian aesthetic medicina. https://t.co/RAlXAdlArB
Mark Carter14 Mark Carter14 Member
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joined Apr 2012
#1312 ·
It turns out Russia actually is paying off its debts in dollars and euros
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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joined Jan 2024
#1313 ·
Following Putin's latest speech, it looks like Russia's primary export is about to become its most educated workforce. Everyone seems to be making a break for it—from I.T. Evac specialists to the principal dancers at the Metropolitan Opera. Honestly, this brain drain is going to hit just as hard as any sanctions, if not harder, because they're essentially causing this collapse on themselves. 2 dem/kg
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#1314 ·
Beyond just raw materials, Russia is a major arms exporter—but that revenue stream is basically dead in the water.

1) The Russian military has taken—and will continue to take—massive losses; any scrap of production they manage to scrape together is going to be diverted straight to their own front lines.

2) Almost nobody on the global stage is looking to buy Russian weapons anymore (I’m talking about new contracts, not old backlogs)—their reputation has tanked. Even if you chalk some of it up to poor tactical execution, they honestly don't have anything left to "show off" in the international market.

3) Western sanctions are going to hit their technical manufacturing capabilities hard.

4) A lot of those "neutral" countries are going to be very careful not to piss off the West by picking up Russian hardware.

Effective result? We're looking at a return to 90s-style desperation—selling to whoever has spare cash, mostly rogue regimes with no other options, or maybe to China at bottom-dollar prices.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#1315 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:Following Putin's latest speech, it looks like Russia's primary export is about to become its most educated workforce. Everyone seems to be making a break for it—from I.T. Evac specialists to the principal dancers at the Metropolitan Opera. Honestly, this brain drain is going to hit just as hard as any sanctions, if not harder, because they're essentially causing this collapse on themselves. 2 dem/kg


Human capital has been one of their main export products for quite some time now. I have argued on this topic regarding Russia before: that eventually, the country will be left with nothing but coal miners and laborers at gas and oil wells—and even those resources will dry up, given that they lack the Western technology required to exploit new fields.

Unknown, the RAS presidium’s chief scientific secretary, estimated that emigration among Russian researchers increased from 14,000 in 2012 to almost 70,000 last year. He contrasted the figures with China, the United States and other countries bolstering their ranks with tens of thousands of New researchers over The same period.

He noted that in 1990 Russia had 992,000 researchers, the world’s highest number. By 2019, that figure had dwindled by two-thirds to 348,000 researchers.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/...ce-2012-a73682
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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joined May 2024
#1316 ·
According to certain reports, Lavrov departed by plane this morning bound for China, yet after 1740 miles hours of flight, the aircraft abruptly turned around and headed back to Moscow.

Meanwhile, the Chinese have been busy praising the courageous resistance shown by Ukrainians, even going so far as to promise financial aid.

https://polishnews.co.uk/sergey-lavr...he-daily-bild/

https://www.newsweek.com/china-prais...upport-1688608
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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joined Feb 2024
#1317 ·
Honestly, Russians and Chinese people are just incredibly cunning operators; I wouldn't be shocked one bit if this whole thing is just a massive performance staged for the rest of the world, while they’re actually shaking hands under the table and cooperating way more than they’d ever let anyone realize.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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joined Apr 2022
#1318 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Honestly, Russians and Chinese people are just incredibly cunning operators; I wouldn't be shocked one bit if this whole thing is just a massive performance staged for the rest of the world, while they’re actually shaking hands under the table and cooperating way more than they’d ever let anyone realize.

In today's digital age, you just can't hide any major movement of goods or people. It's impossible.
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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joined Jun 2008
#1319 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:Following Putin's latest speech, it looks like Russia's primary export is about to become its most educated workforce. Everyone seems to be making a break for it—from I.T. Evac specialists to the principal dancers at the Metropolitan Opera. Honestly, this brain drain is going to hit just as hard as any sanctions, if not harder, because they're essentially causing this collapse on themselves. 2 dem/kg

What about the Russian women?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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joined Sep 2009
#1320 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Honestly, Russians and Chinese people are just incredibly cunning operators; I wouldn't be shocked one bit if this whole thing is just a massive performance staged for the rest of the world, while they’re actually shaking hands under the table and cooperating way more than they’d ever let anyone realize.

I already touched on this in another thread.

China doesn't want to see Russia tank, but they definitely aren't planning on going down with the ship either.

The Russian economy is basically falling apart, and their big claim to fame—that supposedly massive military power—has turned out to be a total paper tiger.

Outside of Belarus, the Assad regime, and a handful of small states, they don't have any real pull left on the global stage.

China does. And they aren't stupid enough to risk messing that up.

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