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Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
368 messages
joined Feb 2024
#1341 ·
Check out this Reuters breakdown of how those sanctions are actually hitting the ground in the middle of all that chaos.
https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE...S/byvrjenzmve/

Also, if you're looking for something a bit more organized—because let's face it, things get messy fast—the Brookings Institution put together this massive Excel spreadsheet where everything is laid out perfectly. I'll drop the link right at the bottom for you.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/t...tions-tracker/
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#1342 ·
Between the Russian aggression against Ukraine and the resulting sanctions paired with a dip in demand for their crude, oil prices are climbing... which just happens to line the pockets of other suppliers... specifically OPEC.

Word on the street is they’re officially refusing to bump up production for now because the current price point suits them perfectly... but that kind of greed could easily backfire on them.
The logic is simple: if oil prices skyrocket too high, an economic crisis becomes inevitable. And what does a crisis bring? Lower consumption. People simply won't have the cash to keep buying at those rates.

Since OPEC isn't exactly blind to this reality, there are whispers they might actually consider a significant production hike just to drive prices back down... and judging by recent market trends, it looks like they might have already started ramping things up.

If Putin was banking on the world struggling to cope with the absence of Russian oil, it looks like he miscalculated there, too... and we might end up in a situation where Russia remains the sole loser in this entire mess.

Best regards,
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#1343 ·
The Germans are playing it smart. It's not about being against Russia or its people; it's just about standing against Putin. Plus, cutting off oil is a massive hurdle to clear rather than just flipping a switch.
Mark Carter14 Mark Carter14 Member
32 messages
joined Apr 2012
#1344 ·
An American manufacturing giant stays put in Russia: "Leaving does more harm than good"

That said, according to a list compiled by Yale Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his research team, Koch Industries is just one of about thirty companies pushing back against calls to pull out or scale down operations in Russia. They aren't alone, either. Other names on that list include Reebok, Cargill, Halliburton, LG, Cinnabon, and Subway.
Mark Carter14 Mark Carter14 Member
32 messages
joined Apr 2012
#1345 ·
It looks like China has already made up its mind about backing Russia, and honestly, US officials are starting to sweat over it. Is anyone actually surprised? It feels like we’ve seen this script before.

Russia is in desperate need of an economic lifeline right now. They’re staring down the barrel of massive sanctions imposed by the USA and its allies following that February 24th invasion. It’s getting ugly. The country is actually flirting with a debt default; they have two interest payments coming up this Wednesday. Sure, they might get a 30-day grace period to breathe, but still... how much longer can they keep this up?

Moscow can't exactly get its hands on all $640 billion of its gold and foreign exchange reserves right now, but they’ve still got a chunk of that sitting in yuan. It looks like Beijing might be ready to step in and provide an emergency lifeline if things get desperate..

There’s this growing sense of pessimism over in Washington right now. People are starting to wonder if there's any way to actually steer China away from a confrontation with Russia. It’s hard to stay optimistic when it looks like the whole partnership is being driven straight from the top.

"This is really Xi Jinping's project. He's fully backing this closer partnership with Russia," an American official noted. There’s definitely more skepticism bubbling up through the lower ranks, but let's be honest—Xi and Putin are fundamentally aligned on their view of the USA. They seem pretty hell-bent on bringing an end to the era of American global dominance.

If China decides to back Russia in its standoff with the West, the Biden administration is going to have to pivot hard. The main goal will likely shift toward convincing allies—especially over in Europe—that they need to take a much closer look at their ties with Beijing. To that end, Sullivan is headed to Paris this Tuesday to sit down with the French government. It’ll be interesting to see if they can actually get everyone on the same page.
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#1346 ·
It’s honestly pretty fascinating how much of a free pass India seems to have when it comes to working with the Russians. I suppose the folks running the numbers in the West are starting to realize that it wouldn't be a smart move to end up with an extra 1.5 billion people standing on the opposite side of the fence from us. ☕

As for oil, things don't seem to be cooling down anytime soon. It might not be that wild speculative spike we saw the other day, but it’s still enough to drain thousands of dollars out of Americans' pockets this year.
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
86 messages
joined Mar 2022
#1347 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:It’s honestly pretty fascinating how much of a free pass India seems to have when it comes to working with the Russians. I suppose the folks running the numbers in the West are starting to realize that it wouldn't be a smart move to end up with an extra 1.5 billion people standing on the opposite side of the fence from us. ☕

As for oil, things don't seem to be cooling down anytime soon. It might not be that wild speculative spike we saw the other day, but it’s still enough to drain thousands of dollars out of Americans' pockets this year.

So, what's your take—you really think Russians aren't going to go out and buy a new car or some furniture?😵
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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joined Jun 2016
#1348 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:It’s honestly pretty fascinating how much of a free pass India seems to have when it comes to working with the Russians. I suppose the folks running the numbers in the West are starting to realize that it wouldn't be a smart move to end up with an extra 1.5 billion people standing on the opposite side of the fence from us. ☕

As for oil, things don't seem to be cooling down anytime soon. It might not be that wild speculative spike we saw the other day, but it’s still enough to drain thousands of dollars out of Americans' pockets this year.

India is stuck in a tough spot since their military relies so heavily on Russian hardware. Plus, they're in a simmering standoff with both China and Pakistan, so they can't afford massive disruptions or a sudden overnight pivot, even if they are trying to diversify slightly. On the flip side, the West actually wants a decent competitor to challenge Chinese hegemony in Asia.

China is a different beast entirely. They have plenty of domestic manufacturing and act as a much more formidable partner to Russia. They're playing their own game.
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1349 ·
Mark Carter14 said:It looks like China has already made up its mind about backing Russia, and honestly, US officials are starting to sweat over it. Is anyone actually surprised? It feels like we’ve seen this script before.

Russia is in desperate need of an economic lifeline right now. They’re staring down the barrel of massive sanctions imposed by the USA and its allies following that February 24th invasion. It’s getting ugly. The country is actually flirting with a debt default; they have two interest payments coming up this Wednesday. Sure, they might get a 30-day grace period to breathe, but still... how much longer can they keep this up?

Moscow can't exactly get its hands on all $640 billion of its gold and foreign exchange reserves right now, but they’ve still got a chunk of that sitting in yuan. It looks like Beijing might be ready to step in and provide an emergency lifeline if things get desperate..

There’s this growing sense of pessimism over in Washington right now. People are starting to wonder if there's any way to actually steer China away from a confrontation with Russia. It’s hard to stay optimistic when it looks like the whole partnership is being driven straight from the top.

"This is really Xi Jinping's project. He's fully backing this closer partnership with Russia," an American official noted. There’s definitely more skepticism bubbling up through the lower ranks, but let's be honest—Xi and Putin are fundamentally aligned on their view of the USA. They seem pretty hell-bent on bringing an end to the era of American global dominance.

If China decides to back Russia in its standoff with the West, the Biden administration is going to have to pivot hard. The main goal will likely shift toward convincing allies—especially over in Europe—that they need to take a much closer look at their ties with Beijing. To that end, Sullivan is headed to Paris this Tuesday to sit down with the French government. It’ll be interesting to see if they can actually get everyone on the same page.

Just your classic American way of blowing smoke.
China isn't actually meddling—it's just that certain people keep cooking up these fake accusations, hoping to drive a wedge between China and the EU.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
379 messages
joined May 2024
#1350 ·
wiredseal7 said:Just your classic American way of blowing smoke.
China isn't actually meddling—it's just that certain people keep cooking up these fake accusations, hoping to drive a wedge between China and the EU.

🤣

We were enjoying perfectly fine relations before, so naturally, we need Americans to step in and ruin them for us, don't we?
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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joined Jun 2016
#1351 ·
Maybe Europe has finally learned its lesson about the risks of playing nice with dictatorships 🕺

Xi’s playbook isn't all that different from Putin's; he just got lucky enough to inherit a powerhouse economy instead of dealing with the chaos Yeltsin left behind, which gives him much deeper pockets. But this habit of aggressive posturing and constant escalation—combined with heavy-handed propaganda and financial maneuvering—is already starting to take its toll. Europe really ought to follow Australia's lead and start curbing Chinese influence (though, to be fair, it's not quite on the same scale as what happened in Australia, so there's less need for a total overhaul)
silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
126 messages
joined Mar 2022
#1352 ·
I suppose the lesson has been learned, at least for the time being.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
292 messages
joined May 2023
#1353 ·
wiredseal7 said:Just your classic American way of blowing smoke.
China isn't actually meddling—it's just that certain people keep cooking up these fake accusations, hoping to drive a wedge between China and the EU.

Exactly. Do you remember when the warmongers were all hysterical, blowing hot air about an imminent invasion of Ukraine that never actually materialized?

Those shady Americans... anyone who knows better knows they eventually come with a heavy price tag.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
292 messages
joined May 2023
#1354 ·
In the meantime, Russia has been granted permission to tap into its frozen assets to cover interest payments on its dollar-denominated sovereign debt, effectively providing a loophole to sidestep a default.

It feels a bit underwhelming to me, though I'm certainly no financial expert, and frankly, quite a few things in recent history seemed far too slow to matter before turning out to be significant shifts after all.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
368 messages
joined Feb 2024
#1355 ·
Slobodan Maddox back in 1992.
"Sanctions are actually a growth opportunity."

Then you look at Lavrov 2022.
"Sanctions only make us stronger."
Timothy Kim9 Timothy Kim9 Active Member
100 messages
joined Jun 2007
#1356 ·
I honestly don't buy the idea that sanctions are going to bring Russia down.
At least not anytime soon. Just look at FR America or Iran.
Since 2015, Iran has been under massive oil export bans—something Russia doesn't even have to deal with yet
—and despite incredibly heavy sanctions, nothing has changed.

The religious leaders are still in power, and they’re still preaching about Americans being the enemy and all that.

Even back in the day with FR America, it took nearly a decade to actually get Slobodan Maddox
to face justice—and that was when the USA had a much stronger hand than they do now.

Don't get me wrong, Russia isn't going to thrive under sanctions; they'll probably just slowly decline. But I doubt Putin will be touched for the next 5 to 10 years—unless there's some kind of palace coup.

After that, whether people like it or not, the next Russian President will eventually have to tell their own story. Though, let's be real: they probably won't tell a completely different story than Putin; the only real difference will be the methods used to carry out his policies.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
292 messages
joined May 2023
#1357 ·
Sanctions are really just a long-term fix that won't be necessary anyway, since nobody is actually going to race to do business with North Korea, let alone sink any real investment into it.
Daniel Barnes53 Daniel Barnes53 Member
46 messages
joined Feb 2019
#1358 ·
The whole idea behind these sanctions isn't necessarily to bring down Putin—honestly, he’ll probably stay in power. But they really do drain Russia's resources over time. I guess the logic is that every year, their economy just gets a bit more fragile, eventually leaving them without the muscle for any new military adventures. Plus, there's the arms race aspect to consider; they just won't be able to keep up. It's kind of like how the USSR collapsed, right? They were pouring way too much of their GDP into the military, and it just wasn't sustainable in the long run.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#1359 ·
slyfox43 said:Sanctions are really just a long-term fix that won't be necessary anyway, since nobody is actually going to race to do business with North Korea, let alone sink any real investment into it.

Honestly, we should just start calling it North North Korea. 😉
Christian Foster38 Christian Foster38 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2022
#1360 ·
Why Russia Can't Survive Tech Sanctions

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