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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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joined May 2013
#3721 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:I suppose I’m struggling to find the perfect way to articulate this, but I tend to look at it through this lens: if you can actually manage to drive a psychotic individual down to a neurotic level, then you’ve truly succeeded. It essentially boils down to whether they can maintain a functional grip on reality. I realize there are plenty of nuances here, and I know definitions tend to shift depending on who you ask, but that’s just my subjective take—using a few technical terms as a sort of metaphor to get the point across accurately. Well, I finally caught him...

I find myself drifting back into philosophy again, though everything we believe about our own nature holds a certain weight of truth. It’s honestly difficult for me to pinpoint that exact line where a mental health professional crosses over from trying to be helpful and error-free into that extreme territory—where they essentially lose their grip and descend into chaos. But if you view someone's sudden, irrational urge toward self-destruction as nothing more than a symptom, and you actually dig into what lies beneath it—what specific idea triggered the impulse or what unresolved emotional baggage is driving the engine—then you might actually start excavating the root cause rather than just pruning the branches. It isn't like you're walking down a street in Chicago and suddenly decide to jump into a furnace on a whim; it takes time to construct such a complex, elaborate hallucination. There is an entire psychological process and a massive web of mechanisms at work. In our current American healthcare system, the path of least resistance is almost always to hand someone a prescription and say, "Good luck, you're on your own," which solves absolutely nothing. It particularly bothers me when people have lives that are completely unraveled, only to have a psychiatrist shrug and imply that they simply need to learn how to manage it. So, once again, you're just handed a pill and sent on your way. 🤣 My point was that most psychiatrists simply don't have the bandwidth or the actual desire to dive deep into someone's psyche. It’s not really their lane. If you want any kind of meaningful, heavy-duty work done, you have to leave it to a dedicated psychotherapist. 😂 Isn't it just hilarious that we’re all forced to play along with this collective madness? It really is. And then, of course, they try to dress it up with some pseudo-intellectual nonsense, acting as if everything follows Gauss's curve—as if certain people can just slide by while others get stuck dealing with the fallout.

Pick just one single thing you want to fix—something that actually matters to you—and focus entirely on that. Once you've spent a month or two truly grinding through it, then, and only then, should you move on to the next thing.

That’s about it. It sounds almost trivial, doesn't it? But it really is one of the most significant hurdles in American psychiatry. In fact, as our understanding deepens, it seems to be becoming an even more massive challenge than when psychosis wasn't such a central focus of study.
The real goal is to establish contact with the patient's healthy ego. When you manage to achieve that—even if it's done somewhat crudely—the patient enters a state where they can find a "healthier resistance" to their own issues, which is a standard occurrence in any therapeutic transference.
Only then does true transference become possible. From there, through various forms of psychotherapy, we can dismantle the problems piece by piece until we reach a person who is finally ready to confront their struggles head-on.
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3722 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:That’s about it. It sounds almost trivial, doesn't it? But it really is one of the most significant hurdles in American psychiatry. In fact, as our understanding deepens, it seems to be becoming an even more massive challenge than when psychosis wasn't such a central focus of study.
The real goal is to establish contact with the patient's healthy ego. When you manage to achieve that—even if it's done somewhat crudely—the patient enters a state where they can find a "healthier resistance" to their own issues, which is a standard occurrence in any therapeutic transference.
Only then does true transference become possible. From there, through various forms of psychotherapy, we can dismantle the problems piece by piece until we reach a person who is finally ready to confront their struggles head-on.

Yeah, I’m with you on that. 🙂☕
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#3723 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:That was quite an experience, and honestly, I’m feeling a bit cornered now😬. Imagine if I were to call up some high-level specialist over in New York and tell them, "Look, I have schizoaffective disorder." The receptionist would probably tell me they aren't seeing anyone with that specific diagnosis right now, but to call back in fifteen minutes. Then, when I actually make that follow-up call, a different woman picks up and tells me, "I'm sorry, we don't handle those kinds of diagnoses here due to potential complications."
Well, I think I already made that point clear in my very first post😬.
I suppose I'll just have to see what the holistic practitioners have to say about it😠🙂

My cousin, who also deals with schizophrenia, went to try out what I think was a Tai Chi class, and they actually told her she needed to stop taking her meds 🙄
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3724 ·
David Vaughn75 said:My cousin, who also deals with schizophrenia, went to try out what I think was a Tai Chi class, and they actually told her she needed to stop taking her meds 🙄

Those medications are powerful enough that quitting them cold turkey is essentially an invitation for madness. Any competent psychiatrist knows there’s a delicate process for tapering or discontinuing drugs. Honestly, it’s much better to stay on a low dose than to face a full-blown relapse.☕

I just had my follow-up appointment, and my doctor is thrilled with my progress. I'm doing fine without Seroquel. To be honest, I feel better myself—I have more energy and my mind feels significantly sharper.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#3725 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:Those medications are powerful enough that quitting them cold turkey is essentially an invitation for madness. Any competent psychiatrist knows there’s a delicate process for tapering or discontinuing drugs. Honestly, it’s much better to stay on a low dose than to face a full-blown relapse.☕

I just had my follow-up appointment, and my doctor is thrilled with my progress. I'm doing fine without Seroquel. To be honest, I feel better myself—I have more energy and my mind feels significantly sharper.

So, what else are you taking besides the Seroquel?
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3726 ·
David Vaughn75 said:So, what else are you taking besides the Seroquel?

Rispolept 1 mg, Lexapro, Lamictal, and Ativan as needed.

edit: I'm off the Seroquel now.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#3727 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6d62af3d.jpg

🤣☕

I have this nagging feeling—and I might just be losing my marbles here—that I actually recognize a few faces in this photo... or perhaps they just bear a striking resemblance to some old acquaintances of mine.🙂
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3728 ·
The person who penned this has clearly never crossed paths with someone actually experiencing a psychotic break... I mean, good luck finding anyone brave enough to try and put someone in that state on a strict meal plan...

(regarding nutrition and schizophrenia)

and that’s assuming a regular person hasn't lost their mind first 😛🤣☕
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#3729 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:Those medications are powerful enough that quitting them cold turkey is essentially an invitation for madness. Any competent psychiatrist knows there’s a delicate process for tapering or discontinuing drugs. Honestly, it’s much better to stay on a low dose than to face a full-blown relapse.☕

I just had my follow-up appointment, and my doctor is thrilled with my progress. I'm doing fine without Seroquel. To be honest, I feel better myself—I have more energy and my mind feels significantly sharper.

See, this is just one more piece of evidence proving that you can live a completely normal life.
Will it stay this way? Is it an indicator of worsening health or something else entirely? Who knows? Often, the body—or the brain, really—simply develops a kind of resistance to the illness. That's where psychopharmacology comes in to help.
I've taken Seroquel myself, and let me tell you, living with that stuff is incredibly difficult. Major props to you.😉
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#3730 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:Rispolept 1 mg, Lexapro, Lamictal, and Ativan as needed.

edit: I'm off the Seroquel now.

You have made incredible progress. 🙂

Once you drop down to just 1 mg of Risperdal, you'll be right there with me. 😉
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3731 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:See, this is just one more piece of evidence proving that you can live a completely normal life.
Will it stay this way? Is it an indicator of worsening health or something else entirely? Who knows? Often, the body—or the brain, really—simply develops a kind of resistance to the illness. That's where psychopharmacology comes in to help.
I've taken Seroquel myself, and let me tell you, living with that stuff is incredibly difficult. Major props to you.😉

Then we’re finally on the exact same page. 🙂What a massive weight off my shoulders. Things are looking significantly better now. 🙂

Robin Lopez2 said:You have made incredible progress. 🙂

Once you drop down to just 1 mg of Risperdal, you'll be right there with me. 😉

Thanks, why not give 1 mg of Rispolept a shot? If you’ve got the determination, you can usually find a way to make things work. 😉🙂
William Evans10 William Evans10 Active Member
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#3732 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:
William Evans10 Asks:
How is everyone doing? I truly hope you all are faring better than we are over here... we’ve certainly had a rough run lately. 👎

I am sitting here reading your post right now, and honestly, my mind is just racing with all sorts of thoughts! It’s one thing after another. Where is she currently? Which hospital is she staying in at the moment?🤷
Therapy, in general... and now that someone is actually hospitalized, the approach really ought to be—well, in my estimation, quite different. It stands to reason, doesn't it? When a patient is admitted to the hospital, the dosage or intensity of the treatment is typically ramped up. It’s a necessary phase! One must account for the body's period of adjustment and stabilization... it's all part of the process, isn't it?
Look, if you really think about it... psychology—in its broadest sense—is essentially one of those long-standing, unresolved contradictions that we just can't seem to shake. It’s such a strange beast, isn't it? It emerged directly from the roots of philosophy, yet here it is today, desperately attempting to apply scientific, empirical methods to solve what were once considered "ailments of the soul." How can one discipline bridge that gap? Is it even possible? It’s a fascinating, messy struggle between abstract thought and hard data.
And now... where has the soul gone?
Here we go again. Another endless debate. One group argues that the body is essentially "encircled by the soul," while the other insists that the soul lacks any physical nature whatsoever and simply cannot belong to a physical vessel. Is there ever an answer? Or are we just destined to circle this drain forever?😕
And then, inevitably, you encounter those third parties—those skeptics—who insist that the soul is nothing more than an evolutionary byproduct, a mere extension of cerebral processes manifesting in various biological forms. Is that really all there is to it? Just a trick played by our neurons as they dance through different stages of development? It seems such a reductive way to view the complexity of existence, doesn't it?
So, you—much like that endless parade of doctors I see on TV—are suddenly acting as if you possess all the answers. Are we meant to just sit back and nod along now? Truly, do you expect us to follow your lead without question?
Oh, I just saw that on Ribbon. My mistake. Truly, my deepest apologies.
Right now, things are actually at their best for her—and honestly, it’s the only viable solution she has left. Everything there is under strict control. You see, even the slightest shift, any tiny change whatsoever, manifests itself in all sorts of ways, and the medical staff? Well, despite what some people might think, they absolutely see it. They notice everything.
It will simply take some time—quite a bit of time, actually—to arrive at a truly precise diagnosis. We have to observe her specific behaviors and monitor how she responds to the medication, that "echo" effect if you will, before we can know for sure. How else could we possibly reach a definitive conclusion? One cannot rush the process of understanding such complexities.
Will medication therapy be significantly more effective once the patient reaches a point where they can communicate somewhat normally? Is that not the case? It seems essential that they first achieve that level of stability before we even consider transitioning into other therapeutic modalities—you know, things like individual counseling, group sessions, or perhaps occupational and rehabilitative therapies. One cannot simply rush the process, can one? We must wait until they are truly ready for those next steps.
Please, have some patience. This isn't her first time dealing with this, and it’s certainly not because she’s been struck by some strange, extraterrestrial virus. No, it's much more grounded than that. One needs strength, a fierce will, steady nerves, and—most importantly—hope. Psychosis can be an incredibly difficult thing to diagnose accurately sometimes, can't it? But when it is caught, and managed with enough diligence, it can be kept under control quite successfully.
Just a little more time, and everything will somehow become acceptable to everyone. Isn't that just the way it goes? We wait, we hope, and eventually, the world settles into its own version of "fine." It’s all just a matter of patience, really.
The hallucinations... they constructed an entire reality for her, you see? A complete fabrication! And while she did manage to claw her way back out of that fog relatively quickly—thanks to the medication, naturally—she was left staring into this profound, hollow emptiness. It’s quite unsettling, isn't it? To emerge from such a distorted world only to find yourself adrift in a void, utterly uncertain of where you are or even why you exist in the first place.
Is it even possible to imagine a time when we couldn't find a remedy for this? Honestly, everything... absolutely everything... is treatable these days. Isn't that just incredible? We live in an era where medical science seems to have an answer for every ailment. It really makes you wonder, doesn't it? Where does it end?😉

Thank you for such an exhaustive response. Honestly, I'm losing faith in our doctors; they all act like they couldn't care less. I might have to reach out to the ACLU. My contact there is employed, but she's been on long-term leave. Now that she's getting out of the hospital, they intend for her to stay on short-term leave for a bit before heading back to work. But she has been doing terribly for the last year; things have deteriorated drastically. Her workplace doesn't want her back. I truly hope this therapy works, because we are all on our knees here. I don't understand how they can find it acceptable that she lies there twenty hours a day just staring at a single spot, smoking incessantly in the meantime. She won't leave the house, won't talk to anyone, refuses all contact, won't eat, and won't take care of herself. When I try to get her to shower, eat, or go to church, it just puts pressure on her, and she becomes aggressive. I tell them all of this, but it feels like no one is listening.
William Evans10 William Evans10 Active Member
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#3733 ·
David Vaughn75 said:I am so, so sorry for what you and your mother-in-law are going through.

If it helps at all, just know that for about a third of patients, the first round of meds misses the mark entirely—that’s just how psychiatry works sometimes. I had a buddy back in 2006 who was hospitalized three times in a single year—he spent about 10 months total in facilities—but he eventually pulled through and is working a steady job now.

thank you sir 😢 She’s been in the hospital since Saturday... and from what I understand, they’re planning to discharge her soon once they try this new medication regimen. The thing is, she keeps insisting she feels fine and tells them she’s doing better, but she really isn't... we’re the ones who actually know her, and we can see she hasn't improved at all. She isn't heavily sedated by the meds anymore, maybe just a little bit, but we can tell she's still "not there." It’s like there's no soul left in her, nothing. She just says she wants to get home, get past this, and go back to her old ways. Plus, she’s feeling so much shame about being hospitalized—which is triggering more paranoia about what people might think of her. Honestly, I’m terrified that things will just revert to the old cycle: staying in bed, smoking, lying around, more lying around... that's it. And then she’ll spend months upon months begging them to adjust her meds again. Maybe I'm rushing to judgment, but I'm scared. I think I might need to see a psychiatrist myself.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#3734 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:Then we’re finally on the exact same page. 🙂What a massive weight off my shoulders. Things are looking significantly better now. 🙂

Thanks, why not give 1 mg of Rispolept a shot? If you’ve got the determination, you can usually find a way to make things work. 😉🙂

Is all that sass putting you to sleep?

I'm only on Zyprexa myself, but this morning dose just absolutely knocks me out 😢
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#3735 ·
William Evans10 said:thank you sir 😢 She’s been in the hospital since Saturday... and from what I understand, they’re planning to discharge her soon once they try this new medication regimen. The thing is, she keeps insisting she feels fine and tells them she’s doing better, but she really isn't... we’re the ones who actually know her, and we can see she hasn't improved at all. She isn't heavily sedated by the meds anymore, maybe just a little bit, but we can tell she's still "not there." It’s like there's no soul left in her, nothing. She just says she wants to get home, get past this, and go back to her old ways. Plus, she’s feeling so much shame about being hospitalized—which is triggering more paranoia about what people might think of her. Honestly, I’m terrified that things will just revert to the old cycle: staying in bed, smoking, lying around, more lying around... that's it. And then she’ll spend months upon months begging them to adjust her meds again. Maybe I'm rushing to judgment, but I'm scared. I think I might need to see a psychiatrist myself.

Not you. You have Lawrence.😉
Your boy is your priority right now.😍
I have my doubts about how quickly they'll actually let her go, but hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Not every doctor is heartless or stubborn, you know? There are wonderful people out there. Like my doctor, for instance.🙂
I told you before, she is in a void; she isn't truly present here, nor is she somewhere else. She is clearly ill. She needs proper treatment, and that takes time—say, about six weeks, because any other timeline results in different reactions—before you start seeing visible progress (the kind of internal shifts we can't actually see happening).
We have all dealt with the side effects of starting any kind of medication (the crushing depression, the suicidal thoughts, and all that nonsense). She is simply navigating that phase right now.
Have faith in her recovery... and have patience. There are no shortcuts here...
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3736 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Is all that sass putting you to sleep?

I'm only on Zyprexa myself, but this morning dose just absolutely knocks me out 😢

I take my Rispolept at night, and honestly, I’m pretty sure the drowsiness is one of its main side effects.
Rebecca James3 Rebecca James3 Active Member
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#3737 ·
blured, did you run into any walls while job hunting because of your diagnosis? How do employers actually react? Do you just come out and say it? My mom went on disability at 35, and honestly, I never even thought to ask if she dealt with any pushback...
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3738 ·
It went fine enough, I suppose 😉☕
Rebecca James3 Rebecca James3 Active Member
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#3739 ·
I don't get why posts just vanish... there were two right under mine and now they're gone... 😕 anyway, I was gone for a bit—got banned 😢 but I was still keeping an eye on the threads 😉 interesting
Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
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#3740 ·
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