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William Evans10 William Evans10 Active Member
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#3861 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:It is quite fascinating, isn't it? In cases involving mild intellectual disabilities—or indeed any type of cognitive impairment—the standardized tests used to establish these diagnoses often fail to explain *why* a person isn't providing the expected response.
There lies a massive, insurmountable hurdle right there.
Adults living with moderate intellectual disabilities require specialized, dedicated care to ensure they can achieve a decent quality of life.
I find it somewhat unusual that they assigned that specific F-code; here in the States, we don't typically link intellectual disability directly to schizophrenia in that manner. Usually, it is associated with schizophreniform psychoses. That is the standard clinical recommendation.
F20.5 refers to residual schizophrenia.
A schizophreniform disorder is remarkably similar to schizophrenia, but the duration is shorter—lasting less than six months.
That might be the actual reason for the moderate intellectual disability diagnosis (meaning an IQ somewhere between 35 and 50).
I believe it is incredibly difficult to predict the trajectory—whether things will stabilize or slide toward a more severe impairment. I would even venture to guess that symptoms might fluctuate, appearing milder at times before potentially heading toward full remission.
Residual schizophrenia represents the chronic phase of the disease's development (think psychomotor slowing, passivity, loss of initiative, avoiding eye contact or conversation, and so on).
The answer is complex and, unfortunately, rather inconsistent. It might happen, or it might not. But more often than not... yes, it can.
Medication is absolutely critical; in most instances, it improves the symptoms or manages them entirely for a period of time.
Since she is older (I assume), she will likely be on this medication protocol for the rest of her life.

She is truly ill; her first psychiatric treatment dates back to 1989. The initial diagnosis was paranoid schizophrenia. After about a year, around 1990, it was changed to schizoaffective disorder, which remained her diagnosis until roughly six months ago, when her psychiatrist adjusted it to residual schizophrenia. Her condition took a sharp downturn about a year ago when her cycles stopped—that is, when she entered menopause. She is quiet, withdrawn, almost vacant; she doesn't really look after herself or maintain hygiene, and honestly, she doesn't seem fully aware of how serious her illness is. She doesn't cry, and she can't even laugh. I recently tried teaching her how to smile; I would give anything just to see her smile once, but she simply doesn't know how. It is hard for outsiders to grasp, but she is very sick. It is heartbreaking because I remember her being such a different person, but sadly, that person is gone. I can't even reach her anymore, despite my best efforts. I try to engage her by recounting beautiful memories from the past, but she listens and then it's as if they vanish instantly from her mind, or she just offers a hollow "uh-huh," or says she can't remember. We aren't expecting much improvement; we just hope things don't get worse. Following her hospital stay, we were advised to contact Social Services to arrange for a legal guardian, either one of us or someone appointed by the state.
Harold Harris20 Harold Harris20 Member
26 messages
joined Mar 2013
#3862 ·
Hey everyone!

I posted here a little while ago, so here’s a quick update on my end: My brother ended up in the hospital back in February and stayed there for about a month. He’s slowly recovering, but his diagnosis was schizoaffective disorder with mania. When he got discharged, his meds were set at a 500mg Zypadhera injection, 300mg Seroquel XR, some Lamictal (not sure of the dose), and Normabel (dosage unknown, plus as needed). It’s been six months now, and honestly, things were okay for maybe ten days after he left, but then they got bad—worse, actually. Now he’s pretty much right back where he was before the hospital, when we couldn't even control his behavior. While he was inpatient, they had him on 600mg of Seroquel, but they lowered it when he was released?
I have to ask again: Is it actually possible for him to be immune to these meds?
The doctor keeps insisting that the injection is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE for wiping out his symptoms, and since he’s on Seroquel too... it feels like we're just spinning our wheels!!
Every single time I feel like I finally see a glimmer of hope, the next moment just crushes me for the following two months...
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#3863 ·
Harold Harris20 said:Hey everyone!

I posted here a little while ago, so here’s a quick update on my end: My brother ended up in the hospital back in February and stayed there for about a month. He’s slowly recovering, but his diagnosis was schizoaffective disorder with mania. When he got discharged, his meds were set at a 500mg Zypadhera injection, 300mg Seroquel XR, some Lamictal (not sure of the dose), and Normabel (dosage unknown, plus as needed). It’s been six months now, and honestly, things were okay for maybe ten days after he left, but then they got bad—worse, actually. Now he’s pretty much right back where he was before the hospital, when we couldn't even control his behavior. While he was inpatient, they had him on 600mg of Seroquel, but they lowered it when he was released?
I have to ask again: Is it actually possible for him to be immune to these meds?
The doctor keeps insisting that the injection is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE for wiping out his symptoms, and since he’s on Seroquel too... it feels like we're just spinning our wheels!!
Every single time I feel like I finally see a glimmer of hope, the next moment just crushes me for the following two months...

Look, anyone paying attention knows how critical medication is, but at the end of the day, the patient's own effort is what carries the weight. If you don't mind me asking, what was your brother doing—what kind of work or activities was he engaged in—when he was feeling stable, and what changed when the downward spiral started?
Speaking as someone living with schizophrenia myself, I’ll tell you straight: life will likely be a bit of an uphill battle for your brother forever, but that isn't the end of the world.
The last time I was hospitalized was way back in 2009, and believe me, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly "fine" or that I don't deal with crises; it’s a constant ebb and flow of better and worse. But after a long struggle with this illness, I managed to find the willpower to forge a path—and more importantly, to find people I can actually get along with.
Ultimately, everything hinges on his own desire to get better—and from what I can see, you are doing absolutely everything within your power to help him.
Don't let go of hope. As time passes, he'll start finding ways—one way or another—to slowly pull himself out of the worst of it, and once he masters that, things will start to feel a little more manageable.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#3864 ·
I feel compelled to clarify something to the masses regarding what we call psychosis. See, people with psychotic, schizoaffective, or schizophrenic disorders are only truly "unstable" during the acute phase of their illness—but once they actually claw their way back to reality, that’s when the real trouble starts. You know the script I'm talking about—those dismissive comments like, "Oh, just ignore him, he's crazy," or "Man, you know Jack used to be such a good kid before he lost it."

And that is precisely when the poor patient—who has just crawled through a literal hellscape, because believe me, true psychosis is a waking nightmare—has to face the second wave of torment: the rejection, the judgment, and the cold shoulders from everyone around them.
Humans are inherently social creatures, and nobody on this planet is immune to the weight of public opinion; whether it's the broad community or just those in your immediate circle, everyone is fundamentally wired to seek validation from others.

So, I have to ask you all: what is actually left for our unfortunate friend once they've regained their senses?

P.S. There are some good souls out there who actually try to help, but more often than not, that support is limited to immediate family and maybe one or two loyal friends—and honestly, more power to them.
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
316 messages
joined Aug 2008
#3865 ·
William Evans10 said:She is truly ill; her first psychiatric treatment dates back to 1989. The initial diagnosis was paranoid schizophrenia. After about a year, around 1990, it was changed to schizoaffective disorder, which remained her diagnosis until roughly six months ago, when her psychiatrist adjusted it to residual schizophrenia. Her condition took a sharp downturn about a year ago when her cycles stopped—that is, when she entered menopause. She is quiet, withdrawn, almost vacant; she doesn't really look after herself or maintain hygiene, and honestly, she doesn't seem fully aware of how serious her illness is. She doesn't cry, and she can't even laugh. I recently tried teaching her how to smile; I would give anything just to see her smile once, but she simply doesn't know how. It is hard for outsiders to grasp, but she is very sick. It is heartbreaking because I remember her being such a different person, but sadly, that person is gone. I can't even reach her anymore, despite my best efforts. I try to engage her by recounting beautiful memories from the past, but she listens and then it's as if they vanish instantly from her mind, or she just offers a hollow "uh-huh," or says she can't remember. We aren't expecting much improvement; we just hope things don't get worse. Following her hospital stay, we were advised to contact Social Services to arrange for a legal guardian, either one of us or someone appointed by the state.

How is anyone supposed to experience genuine laughter or tears while they're navigating that cocktail of psychiatric meds? It’s a Catch-22: if you're too high, you end up on an antipsychotic, but if you're too low or completely numb, they throw an antidepressant at you. How can anyone actually track which specific medication is responsible for their emotional baseline being totally wiped out? It makes zero sense. 😕🤷☕
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
236 messages
joined Jan 2013
#3866 ·
I’m right there with you.
It’s like I’ve lost the ability to feel anything at all—no laughter, no tears. There are moments when things feel so heavy that I can tell I really need to just let it all out and cry, but… it just won't come.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
819 messages
joined Dec 2010
#3867 ·
I’m at that stage where I can still find the irony in things enough to laugh—though it’s a dry, hollow kind of laughter—but the tears? They just won't come.🤷
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
316 messages
joined Aug 2008
#3868 ·
Sometimes I feel this sudden, heavy urge to just break down and cry, but it never quite happens.
Instead, I find myself laughing—though it’s usually just a reflex because I can’t even remember the last time I had a genuine, deep-seated laugh.
The other day, I actually let out a bit of a chuckle, only to have someone snap at me for being too loud.
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
236 messages
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#3869 ·
I mean, I could try to laugh, but it wouldn't feel real.
I honestly can't remember the last time I had a genuine laugh.
But crying? That’s a total zero for me.

It's a shame I'm not some professional comedian who could find the humor in my own tears.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
819 messages
joined Dec 2010
#3870 ·
Back when I was actually healthy—and I mean truly fit, not just "getting by"—I used to go out and lose myself in a good laugh quite often; there’s a genuine sense of being cleansed afterward, isn't there? Even now, I still find myself chuckling occasionally—not like some manic lunatic, mind you—but I can't shake this persistent, dull sensation... it sits right there, somewhere between my heart and my brain, making me feel sort of numb, almost as if I've been cast in concrete. I'm not sure if anyone else here has experienced this particular brand of nothingness... it isn't exactly misery, nor is it happiness, but rather this heavy, blunt feeling located deep in my chest instead of in my head.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3871 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:How is anyone supposed to experience genuine laughter or tears while they're navigating that cocktail of psychiatric meds? It’s a Catch-22: if you're too high, you end up on an antipsychotic, but if you're too low or completely numb, they throw an antidepressant at you. How can anyone actually track which specific medication is responsible for their emotional baseline being totally wiped out? It makes zero sense. 😕🤷☕

I guess it really comes down to whether your mood swings are actually part of the illness itself. Like, if you're in the middle of a manic episode and doing some seriously reckless stuff, then yeah, it makes sense they'd give you a stabilizer to bring you down—and vice versa. Personally, back when I was staying at the psych ward, I’d just be sitting there grinning like a total moron, and they didn't even bother messing with my meds because they could tell I wasn't actually hurting anyone.
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
316 messages
joined Aug 2008
#3872 ·
David Vaughn75 said:I guess it really comes down to whether your mood swings are actually part of the illness itself. Like, if you're in the middle of a manic episode and doing some seriously reckless stuff, then yeah, it makes sense they'd give you a stabilizer to bring you down—and vice versa. Personally, back when I was staying at the psych ward, I’d just be sitting there grinning like a total moron, and they didn't even bother messing with my meds because they could tell I wasn't actually hurting anyone.

You make a valid point.☕
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3873 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:You make a valid point.☕

And what happens when I'm not being smart? ☕ 😬 🤣
William Evans10 William Evans10 Active Member
62 messages
joined Oct 2012
#3874 ·
Noah Garcia4 said:How is anyone supposed to experience genuine laughter or tears while they're navigating that cocktail of psychiatric meds? It’s a Catch-22: if you're too high, you end up on an antipsychotic, but if you're too low or completely numb, they throw an antidepressant at you. How can anyone actually track which specific medication is responsible for their emotional baseline being totally wiped out? It makes zero sense. 😕🤷☕

The truth is, she doesn't have any emotional reactions—none at all. She’s like a walking ghost. And honestly, even back before she was taking medication, or when she was tossing them aside, she was always this way. She suffers from residual schizophrenia; maybe do a quick Google search to understand what that entails.

Whether she’s taking the medication or not, this is just who she is, and I’ve finally come to terms with that. The real struggle isn't the mood swings; it's that she wants to spend twenty hours a day staring blankly at the ceiling, refusing to eat, just smoking and lying there. So, tell me, you take these medications too, right? Are you spending twenty hours a day paralyzed in bed?

I mostly just come here to vent a little, seeing as I am her primary caregiver, fighting this battle every single day without seeing any real progress. Where I get the strength to keep going, I truly don't know. It likely comes from my husband and my son. I just hope that at least here, I can find some level of empathy. My husband understands, but the people around us simply don't get it. Though, obviously, I shouldn't expect an overwhelming amount of sympathy from anyone else either...

Anyway, that's about all I have to say... best regards.
Lawrence Hill6 Lawrence Hill6 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jun 2013
#3875 ·
Does frequent masturbation lead to schizophrenia at a young age—specifically, if it happens 28 or 34 times...
is that linked to schizophrenia?
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3876 ·
Lawrence Hill6 said:Does frequent masturbation lead to schizophrenia at a young age—specifically, if it happens 28 or 34 times...
is that linked to schizophrenia?

Nah, it doesn't.

Schizophrenia is when you straight-up can't tell what's real from what's fiction.
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
316 messages
joined Aug 2008
#3877 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Nah, it doesn't.

Schizophrenia is when you straight-up can't tell what's real from what's fiction.

🤣😂
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3878 ·
What are you grinning at all of a sudden? 😁
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
316 messages
joined Aug 2008
#3879 ·
David Vaughn75 said:What are you grinning at all of a sudden? 😁

Last night at 10:35 PM, I thought the whole thing was absolutely hilarious, but looking back at it now, the joke has definitely worn thin. 😁
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3880 ·
How long am I gonna have to wait before they drop my dosage back down?

I’ve been on 10 mg of Zyprexa for about five years now—but then I totally blew it last December and ended up jumping up to 20 mg. Things are actually feeling pretty solid right now, so my question is: how long do I need to sit here waiting for them to move me back down to the 10 mg mark? Or is that even a thing that'll happen at all?🙄

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