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Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
515 messages
joined Sep 2009
#4221 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:What you’re really looking for is the "Americans with Disabilities Act."
It breaks down into:
1. general provisions
2. fundamental principles
3. the rights and responsibilities of individuals with mental health conditions and those responsible for their care and protection
4. voluntary admission to a psychiatric facility
5. (this is what you need)—involuntary detention and involuntary commitment to a psychiatric facility
6. discharge from a psychiatric facility
7. involuntary commitment procedures for certain individuals and convicts
8. the use of physical restraint in the care of individuals with mental health conditions
9. commissions for the protection of individuals with mental health conditions and psychiatric facilities
10. penal provisions
11. transitional and final provisions

That legislation was established back in 1998.
So, there is absolutely no need to speculate or guess, because everything is already laid out clearly.
Here is the link for you:

Thank you so much.
Jerry Morales4 Jerry Morales4 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#4222 ·
Arthur Scott5 said:If someone was just high, this would probably pass in a day or two. But we’re talking about two agonizing years of zero progress—just endless, looping thoughts about murder, implanting chips in people's heads, and consuming organs. I felt absolutely horrific when he told me just two days ago... he said I had to take my pet parrot, the one I love so dearly, and rip its head off with my teeth, drink all its blood, and eat its organs. After that, I ended up vomiting and pounding on my chest, struggling to catch my breath for about thirty seconds. I feel terrible right now. I've started taking a larger dose of C. Remedica, so maybe that will help. Is it actually possible for things to get better? Please, tell me there's a way forward. Is it possible for this to subside.. 🙂

Man, do you even realize how dangerous you are?😢 Please, just go to a hospital and find actual medical treatment.
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#4223 ·
Can people diagnosed with schizophrenia enroll in driving school?
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#4224 ·
Eric Mitchell55 said:Can people diagnosed with schizophrenia enroll in driving school?

Yeah, they can.

And honestly, they aren't even allowed to grill you about whether you've got mental health issues or anything like that.
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
236 messages
joined Jan 2013
#4225 ·
That’s great, I really hope it works out that way.
I don't have any immediate plans to head out anytime soon since I haven't even made it out of New York City yet—I just popped out for the weekend. But once things settle down a bit and I get my bearings, I'd definitely love to sign up for driving school. 🙂
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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joined Sep 2009
#4226 ·
I truly hope that Tom and actually received psychiatric hospitalization.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#4227 ·
Nicole Barrett76 said:I truly hope that Tom and actually received psychiatric hospitalization.

Because if he hasn't, there’s going to be hell to pay.☕
Arthur Scott5 Arthur Scott5 Member
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#4228 ·
Yes, I did ask for it, and now we’ll just have to see how things unfold. I’m hoping for the best. I’ve been there for two weeks now, and for the most part, everything seems to be settling down quite nicely. Still, I suppose those lingering thoughts about microchipping and a few other matters haven't entirely vanished from my mind, though I am hopeful that those concerns will eventually stabilize as well. I really do appreciate you all being there for me. 😁
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#4229 ·
Arthur Scott5 said:Yes, I did ask for it, and now we’ll just have to see how things unfold. I’m hoping for the best. I’ve been there for two weeks now, and for the most part, everything seems to be settling down quite nicely. Still, I suppose those lingering thoughts about microchipping and a few other matters haven't entirely vanished from my mind, though I am hopeful that those concerns will eventually stabilize as well. I really do appreciate you all being there for me. 😁

Look, meds can handle the psychosis part, but they don't really do much once it morphs into neurosis. You're at that stage where you actually have enough headspace to use some self-suggestion to push those intrusive thoughts aside.
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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#4230 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:Since you're my fellow traveler on this journey, I managed to scrape together a little bit of time...😉
In your specific situation, does it even matter if his diagnosis is bipolar disorder or schizophrenia? Does it?
I once knew a patient where the doctor was trying to walk him through all the nitty-gritty details regarding his illness and such.
At one point, the doctor calls him by his name.
The man didn't even blink an eye. Not even a flicker!
The doctor had to call him four separate times before the man finally muttered "pardon" after several minutes had passed?
All his functions were completely shot—his perception (he was just staring blankly at a wall covered in pictures), his spatial orientation—but one thing remained: consciousness.
He was essentially in an unconscious state. Let's call it a milder variation of an absence seizure, shall we?
This is exactly what happens with a psychotic patient like yourself.
The internet? It isn't some coincidence. He lost his grip on reality, and his entire perception of the world is totally distorted, with or without the web.
As for everything else, you might be better off just forgetting about it. I don't know how much older you are than him, or how old he actually is, but indirect help is really just a matter of—well, letting go.
Maybe you don't see it that way yet, but that is the reality of it.
The contracts were signed while he was conscious and acting responsibly. You aren't going to achieve anything here. Nothing!
It is all psychosis and the consequences of that condition—or rather, those episodes.
Whether they admit it to us or not, the parents carry the responsibility for everything happening right now or whatever happened in the past. Sadly, that is just how it is.
A younger son, ill, perhaps a bit spoiled—whether out of a lack of understanding or simply out of love—but a misguided approach creates massive problems later on.
My warm advice to you? Send him back to his parents and you stay close to your own family. Stick to your kin.
While you are still healthy.🙄

Don't go equating bipolar disorder with schizophrenia. In my experience, most people living with bipolar are just relieved they don't have schizophrenia, much like most people with schizophrenia feel a sense of relief that they aren't dealing with bipolar. I can't quite put my finger on why, but for me, the latter has always felt significantly more grueling, though I suppose there’s a certain hollow comfort in telling yourself the alternative isn't quite as devastating. You see it in the hospital wards all the time, where patients claim having schizophrenia is actually fine, simply because they've convinced themselves it isn't something worse. It's almost as if they treat schizophrenia like a common cold—something easily managed or brushed off—and I am fairly certain I heard the head psychiatrist at the clinic say something to that exact effect, a sentiment several witnesses apparently confirmed, though nobody tends to believe me anyway.

I recall that when staff at the hospital would call out different names, it was usually the nurses or technicians doing the calling, whereas I don't quite remember the doctors using anything beyond my actual first and last name. The rest of the crew seemed to find plenty of amusement in it, though perhaps I gave them enough ammunition to start playing around with various nicknames. Eventually, once the whole thing became tiresome, I simply stopped responding—which actually happened toward the end of my stay. My only real issue with the joking was the realization that the doctor might eventually weaponize it against me, since I had essentially come up with most of those ridiculous titles and nicknames myself just to join in on the fun.

Nicole Barrett76 said:Suppose an individual experiencing their first psychotic episode is brought into a psychiatric ward against their will and refuses to cooperate. In such a scenario, would the medical staff "merely" conduct a psychiatric evaluation before admitting them, or would they also insist on a full physical examination? After all, how can one be certain if the symptoms are purely psychological or if the patient is simply under the influence of narcotics?

It happens constantly, this cycle where they bring in some psychotic individual who lacks any prior history of mental illness, often through involuntary commitment when the person isn't cooperating, only to run them through a battery of tests. Who’s to say the patient isn't simply performing? I spent my entire life feigning insanity just to see if everyone would buy into the act, yet now that I am putting on the performance of being perfectly sane, absolutely no one believes me. It all comes down to perception, though truth remains an elusive thing—not that I can help myself from making such a joke.

My psychotherapist actually told me that posting on this forum was off-limits, so naturally, I’m following orders to the letter. At least I'm staying consistent with my medication, or at least the specific pills I feel like taking, which is enough to maintain the illusion that I am perfectly normal, despite how often I find myself having to insist upon it.

The forum is easily my biggest headache.
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#4231 ·
Arthur Scott5 said:Yes, I did ask for it, and now we’ll just have to see how things unfold. I’m hoping for the best. I’ve been there for two weeks now, and for the most part, everything seems to be settling down quite nicely. Still, I suppose those lingering thoughts about microchipping and a few other matters haven't entirely vanished from my mind, though I am hopeful that those concerns will eventually stabilize as well. I really do appreciate you all being there for me. 😁

What medication were you prescribed and what was the diagnosis? Just asking for my own sake, and I'm sure others here are curious too.

My diagnosis is Bipolar I. I'm currently on Lithium, fish oil, and Abilify. I usually take the Abilify when I actually feel up to it. Honestly, it doesn't bother me one bit that the drug is used for Sch, bipolar, or depression.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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joined May 2013
#4232 ·
fadedlynx96 said:Don't go equating bipolar disorder with schizophrenia. In my experience, most people living with bipolar are just relieved they don't have schizophrenia, much like most people with schizophrenia feel a sense of relief that they aren't dealing with bipolar. I can't quite put my finger on why, but for me, the latter has always felt significantly more grueling, though I suppose there’s a certain hollow comfort in telling yourself the alternative isn't quite as devastating. You see it in the hospital wards all the time, where patients claim having schizophrenia is actually fine, simply because they've convinced themselves it isn't something worse. It's almost as if they treat schizophrenia like a common cold—something easily managed or brushed off—and I am fairly certain I heard the head psychiatrist at the clinic say something to that exact effect, a sentiment several witnesses apparently confirmed, though nobody tends to believe me anyway.

I recall that when staff at the hospital would call out different names, it was usually the nurses or technicians doing the calling, whereas I don't quite remember the doctors using anything beyond my actual first and last name. The rest of the crew seemed to find plenty of amusement in it, though perhaps I gave them enough ammunition to start playing around with various nicknames. Eventually, once the whole thing became tiresome, I simply stopped responding—which actually happened toward the end of my stay. My only real issue with the joking was the realization that the doctor might eventually weaponize it against me, since I had essentially come up with most of those ridiculous titles and nicknames myself just to join in on the fun.

It happens constantly, this cycle where they bring in some psychotic individual who lacks any prior history of mental illness, often through involuntary commitment when the person isn't cooperating, only to run them through a battery of tests. Who’s to say the patient isn't simply performing? I spent my entire life feigning insanity just to see if everyone would buy into the act, yet now that I am putting on the performance of being perfectly sane, absolutely no one believes me. It all comes down to perception, though truth remains an elusive thing—not that I can help myself from making such a joke.

My psychotherapist actually told me that posting on this forum was off-limits, so naturally, I’m following orders to the letter. At least I'm staying consistent with my medication, or at least the specific pills I feel like taking, which is enough to maintain the illusion that I am perfectly normal, despite how often I find myself having to insist upon it.

The forum is easily my biggest headache.

No. You completely missed the context of what was written here.
The user @lakot previously mentioned having a brother struggling with an illness and was seeking advice.
My response was directed toward that specific post.
Do you honestly think I would ever equate Sch and Bipolar?

Furthermore, you failed to grasp the subsequent part regarding seizure activity—specifically the brief loss of consciousness related to maintaining alertness, emotional regulation, perception, and so on.
I was recounting a specific incident at the doctor's office, which you have somehow linked to... well, I don't even know what.
So... are you even aware of the paranoia currently consuming you? Your Bipolar disorder used to be classified as manic depression. In your specific case, it is an affective disorder without psychosis.
Therefore, I am acutely aware that your current state of euphoria could pivot into a depressive episode in a very short amount of time.
But it won't, will it?...😍
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#4233 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:No. You completely missed the context of what was written here.
The user @lakot previously mentioned having a brother struggling with an illness and was seeking advice.
My response was directed toward that specific post.
Do you honestly think I would ever equate Sch and Bipolar?

Furthermore, you failed to grasp the subsequent part regarding seizure activity—specifically the brief loss of consciousness related to maintaining alertness, emotional regulation, perception, and so on.
I was recounting a specific incident at the doctor's office, which you have somehow linked to... well, I don't even know what.
So... are you even aware of the paranoia currently consuming you? Your Bipolar disorder used to be classified as manic depression. In your specific case, it is an affective disorder without psychosis.
Therefore, I am acutely aware that your current state of euphoria could pivot into a depressive episode in a very short amount of time.
But it won't, will it?...😍

It isn't a matter of opinion; I know you understand the distinction just as well as most people on this board does, despite the overlapping medication profiles for both conditions.

I was simply commenting on a memory of Sch patients hanging out together, finding common ground in the fact that they aren't bipolar, since there's this running joke that we're functional while the bipolar group represents lost causes. It works the same way for the bipolar crowd, where we're the stable ones and the Sch patients are seen as hopeless.

If you start treating both groups as identical, you strip away whatever hope either side has left. It might not be strictly logical, but when you're dealing with patients living with Sch and bipolar, expecting pure rationality is a stretch.

My diagnosis is Bipolar I—pure mania, no depression. I constantly ask my doctor if I'm slipping into a depressive state, but he always insists that, by definition, it's impossible for me.

And I wouldn't describe myself as euphoric or manic; I'm mostly just normal.

I fail to see why this entire forum doesn't just pivot toward actual health or medical expertise.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4234 ·
fadedlynx96 said:It isn't a matter of opinion; I know you understand the distinction just as well as most people on this board does, despite the overlapping medication profiles for both conditions.

I was simply commenting on a memory of Sch patients hanging out together, finding common ground in the fact that they aren't bipolar, since there's this running joke that we're functional while the bipolar group represents lost causes. It works the same way for the bipolar crowd, where we're the stable ones and the Sch patients are seen as hopeless.

If you start treating both groups as identical, you strip away whatever hope either side has left. It might not be strictly logical, but when you're dealing with patients living with Sch and bipolar, expecting pure rationality is a stretch.

My diagnosis is Bipolar I—pure mania, no depression. I constantly ask my doctor if I'm slipping into a depressive state, but he always insists that, by definition, it's impossible for me.

And I wouldn't describe myself as euphoric or manic; I'm mostly just normal.

I fail to see why this entire forum doesn't just pivot toward actual health or medical expertise.

That's great.😁
Nothing makes me happier than hearing someone feels better than what a clinical diagnosis would suggest.😉
Since this PDF focuses on mental states and various disorders, it naturally includes people living with Sch.
There really isn't much else to be said.☕
Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
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joined Jul 2014
#4235 ·
fadedlynx96 said:It isn't a matter of opinion; I know you understand the distinction just as well as most people on this board does, despite the overlapping medication profiles for both conditions.

I was simply commenting on a memory of Sch patients hanging out together, finding common ground in the fact that they aren't bipolar, since there's this running joke that we're functional while the bipolar group represents lost causes. It works the same way for the bipolar crowd, where we're the stable ones and the Sch patients are seen as hopeless.

If you start treating both groups as identical, you strip away whatever hope either side has left. It might not be strictly logical, but when you're dealing with patients living with Sch and bipolar, expecting pure rationality is a stretch.

My diagnosis is Bipolar I—pure mania, no depression. I constantly ask my doctor if I'm slipping into a depressive state, but he always insists that, by definition, it's impossible for me.

And I wouldn't describe myself as euphoric or manic; I'm mostly just normal.

I fail to see why this entire forum doesn't just pivot toward actual health or medical expertise.

First off, please don't get all worked up about it. Second—you're actually off-topic here; we have the PŽK subforum specifically for questions like that 🙂

But look, to give you a quick breakdown: psychology is really a science focused on how people experience things and behave—so some of the stuff we talk about here would actually be considered off-topic if we moved it over to the Health section. Sure, some topics definitely touch on pathology or mental disorders—which, granted, falls under psychiatry, a branch of medicine—but generally speaking, the Health section focuses on physical issues, whereas this space is dedicated to mental health matters 😉

If there’s anything else you're curious about or if you want to dive deeper into this, feel free to start a thread over here
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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#4236 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:That's great.😁
Nothing makes me happier than hearing someone feels better than what a clinical diagnosis would suggest.😉
Since this PDF focuses on mental states and various disorders, it naturally includes people living with Sch.
There really isn't much else to be said.☕

If I keep insisting that I’m perfectly normal, eventually I might actually start believing my own lies. 😁

Not that I ever actually took Sch, though to be honest, I couldn't care less one way or the other today.

Eric Gray2 said:First off, please don't get all worked up about it. Second—you're actually off-topic here; we have the PŽK subforum specifically for questions like that 🙂

But look, to give you a quick breakdown: psychology is really a science focused on how people experience things and behave—so some of the stuff we talk about here would actually be considered off-topic if we moved it over to the Health section. Sure, some topics definitely touch on pathology or mental disorders—which, granted, falls under psychiatry, a branch of medicine—but generally speaking, the Health section focuses on physical issues, whereas this space is dedicated to mental health matters 😉

If there’s anything else you're curious about or if you want to dive deeper into this, feel free to start a thread over here

My apologies. Given that we are discussing schizophrenia, I don't feel any real need to offer an exhaustive explanation.

I noticed a distinct disconnect between health topics and psychiatry in a specific instance, which I found rather distasteful, so I resorted to using capital letters to make my point.

I offer my apologies once more.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#4237 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:Exactly.
It’d be straight-up discrimination, and honestly, totally baseless at that.
There are plenty of people out there who have finished college, passed their driving tests, and even tied the knot.
They don't have any issues—but yeah, therapy definitely plays a huge part in that.
So... I mean, obviously.😁

But what about the medical exams and psych evaluations? Around here, if you fail the physical or the psych test, you're stuck. You can't even sit for your driver's license exam until you get those cleared up first.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#4238 ·
Eric Mitchell55 said:Can people diagnosed with schizophrenia enroll in driving school?

It really comes down to a doctor's assessment...

Before you sign up for driving school, you have to pass a medical exam with an occupational health physician. They issue the certificate confirming you're mentally and physically fit to drive. That certification is based on documentation from your primary care doctor, who has to list any existing medical conditions...
(link)
You'll also need to bring along reports from any specialists treating those specific conditions.

Under the standard federal guidelines for driver health screenings, certain psychological, psychiatric, or neurological conditions can result in being labeled "unfit" or "temporarily unfit" to operate a vehicle. (See Article 13)
(link)
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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#4239 ·
Michelle Evans said:It really comes down to a doctor's assessment...

Before you sign up for driving school, you have to pass a medical exam with an occupational health physician. They issue the certificate confirming you're mentally and physically fit to drive. That certification is based on documentation from your primary care doctor, who has to list any existing medical conditions...
(link)
You'll also need to bring along reports from any specialists treating those specific conditions.

Under the standard federal guidelines for driver health screenings, certain psychological, psychiatric, or neurological conditions can result in being labeled "unfit" or "temporarily unfit" to operate a vehicle. (See Article 13)
(link)

That is a solid answer.

My usual approach was simply to say nothing at all and avoid making it an issue, which always resulted in passing without incident.

I am not suggesting this is the superior method, but if you happen to forget your specific condition or its symptoms when questioned—perhaps because memory loss is itself a symptom or a side effect of medication—then everything remains technically fine, does it not?

I know from experience that I have forgotten vital information, so forgetting a diagnosis is entirely plausible.

As for the psychometric testing, I believe anyone can pass those written assessments, provided they aren't facing a direct interview with a psychiatrist, which is a much more difficult hurdle.

If I claim to be perfectly normal, I know nobody will believe me, so I won't bother saying it; however, I truly am normal, and I hold driver's licenses in several different states, including America.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#4240 ·
fadedlynx96 said:That is a solid answer.

My usual approach was simply to say nothing at all and avoid making it an issue, which always resulted in passing without incident.

I am not suggesting this is the superior method, but if you happen to forget your specific condition or its symptoms when questioned—perhaps because memory loss is itself a symptom or a side effect of medication—then everything remains technically fine, does it not?

I know from experience that I have forgotten vital information, so forgetting a diagnosis is entirely plausible.

As for the psychometric testing, I believe anyone can pass those written assessments, provided they aren't facing a direct interview with a psychiatrist, which is a much more difficult hurdle.

If I claim to be perfectly normal, I know nobody will believe me, so I won't bother saying it; however, I truly am normal, and I hold driver's licenses in several different states, including America.

Hmm. Even if someone genuinely forgets, or chooses to "forget," it won't matter much to the family doctor signing the paperwork. Without that clearance, you can't prove psychological fitness to pass the driving test or get a license. I don't remember exactly how things used to be since I took my test ages ago, but nowadays, the system if nobody catches it, then you're good to go isn't really reliable. At least not here in the States.

Having a condition involving psychosis doesn't mean you're automatically barred from driving or lose your license. However, Alexiss should be aware that it could become an obstacle or lead to certain restrictions...

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