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Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4361 ·
Dana Vaughn said:So, according to you, I brought up schizophrenia and the truth, and that somehow proves I'm schizophrenic and symptomatic?! That’s just nonsense. How on earth did you conclude I'm schizophrenic when I haven't said anything specific other than mentioning I ended up in a psych ward? You're making huge assumptions without any actual evidence.
The reason I ended up hospitalized was simply because I felt physically ill for a week. Before that, I had seen my psychiatrist a few times—just routine follow-ups since I have a history of dealing with addiction recovery. During one session, my doctor suggested inpatient care because there was this moment during our conversation where I just... froze. I couldn't focus, almost like a shadow passed over my mind for a few seconds. Up until that exact moment, everything I told her about being hacked and all those other issues didn't sound crazy at all; we were just having a normal conversation about life's problems.
It isn't "unrealistic" for me to be skeptical of medications or the psychiatric system. I've been in the trenches; I know what it's like, and I know how the doctors and nurses actually behave. I'm speaking from firsthand experience, whereas from what I can tell, you’ve never even stepped foot on a ward. Just remembering the way they received me when I arrived... my brother gave me this grim, piercing look, arched his eyebrows, and gave me this cynical smirk, like he was silently welcoming me to hell. And when my mom asked the nurse what she should bring me tomorrow, and I mentioned wanting a book, the nurse just replied, "...sure, but maybe something light," which basically meant, *you have no idea what's coming for you.* And that's exactly what happened. They handed me a handful of pills immediately, and I slept for three days straight. I was completely incapacitated; the meds just turned me into a vegetable. I checked in with nothing but physical weakness, and they turned me into a shell of a person. Things have only gone downhill since that day, so in my view, it isn't a coincidence that I've been struggling ever since I walked through those doors...
That’s my take on maladaptive behavior.

Look, Dana, you are absolutely swimming in prejudices, though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; you aren't the only one here.
You haven't suddenly become "worse" because you arrived at this unit, nor would anyone here intentionally go out of their way to make things harder for you than they already are.
Do you not see the sheer lack of logic in what you're saying?
If you have been diagnosed with some form of schizophrenia, or perhaps an acute psychotic disorder, then what does it actually mean when you claim to "know someone very well and know they aren't sick," while you simultaneously fail to see yourself?
Your perspective is simply not objective.
Are you suggesting you ended up in psychiatric care just because you felt physically unwell for a few days??
Please, let's be serious; this isn't kindergarten-level reasoning.
The reality is that you were admitted to the psych ward because that was where you needed to be, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can actually start addressing your issues.
Insight into one's own condition is fundamental, and unfortunately, you seem to lack it entirely, which will only slow down your progress.
In cases of paranoid schizophrenia, these exact phenomena occur—the things you're struggling with right now: grandiosity, presumably aggressive tendencies (which clearly manifest in your writing style), hallucinations, and those feelings of being watched or persecuted. You are untrustworthy, suspicious, and irritable... and frankly, those are symptoms that don't change my opinion of you one bit; it is up to you whether you reflect on your state and accept it or not.

All this rambling about psychiatry is completely baseless. I have been undergoing treatment for many years, and speaking from my own lived experience, I am telling you that you are mistaken.
Doctors are, in 99% of cases, empathetic people—approachable, understanding, and compassionate—meaning their entire goal is to help you.
Your very opinion serves only to confirm your diagnosis. It really is that simple.
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
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#4362 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:Look, Dana, you are absolutely swimming in prejudices, though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; you aren't the only one here.
You haven't suddenly become "worse" because you arrived at this unit, nor would anyone here intentionally go out of their way to make things harder for you than they already are.
Do you not see the sheer lack of logic in what you're saying?
If you have been diagnosed with some form of schizophrenia, or perhaps an acute psychotic disorder, then what does it actually mean when you claim to "know someone very well and know they aren't sick," while you simultaneously fail to see yourself?
Your perspective is simply not objective.
Are you suggesting you ended up in psychiatric care just because you felt physically unwell for a few days??
Please, let's be serious; this isn't kindergarten-level reasoning.
The reality is that you were admitted to the psych ward because that was where you needed to be, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can actually start addressing your issues.
Insight into one's own condition is fundamental, and unfortunately, you seem to lack it entirely, which will only slow down your progress.
In cases of paranoid schizophrenia, these exact phenomena occur—the things you're struggling with right now: grandiosity, presumably aggressive tendencies (which clearly manifest in your writing style), hallucinations, and those feelings of being watched or persecuted. You are untrustworthy, suspicious, and irritable... and frankly, those are symptoms that don't change my opinion of you one bit; it is up to you whether you reflect on your state and accept it or not.

All this rambling about psychiatry is completely baseless. I have been undergoing treatment for many years, and speaking from my own lived experience, I am telling you that you are mistaken.
Doctors are, in 99% of cases, empathetic people—approachable, understanding, and compassionate—meaning their entire goal is to help you.
Your very opinion serves only to confirm your diagnosis. It really is that simple.

I'm not even being aggressive; if anything, I'm just passive, depressed, and completely lacking any motivation or willpower.
That's exactly why I started this thread. You're misreading me. I guess I just posted this in the wrong place.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#4363 ·
Dana Vaughn said:So, according to you, I brought up schizophrenia and the truth, and that somehow proves I'm schizophrenic and symptomatic?! That’s just nonsense. How on earth did you conclude I'm schizophrenic when I haven't said anything specific other than mentioning I ended up in a psych ward? You're making huge assumptions without any actual evidence.
The reason I ended up hospitalized was simply because I felt physically ill for a week. Before that, I had seen my psychiatrist a few times—just routine follow-ups since I have a history of dealing with addiction recovery. During one session, my doctor suggested inpatient care because there was this moment during our conversation where I just... froze. I couldn't focus, almost like a shadow passed over my mind for a few seconds. Up until that exact moment, everything I told her about being hacked and all those other issues didn't sound crazy at all; we were just having a normal conversation about life's problems.
It isn't "unrealistic" for me to be skeptical of medications or the psychiatric system. I've been in the trenches; I know what it's like, and I know how the doctors and nurses actually behave. I'm speaking from firsthand experience, whereas from what I can tell, you’ve never even stepped foot on a ward. Just remembering the way they received me when I arrived... my brother gave me this grim, piercing look, arched his eyebrows, and gave me this cynical smirk, like he was silently welcoming me to hell. And when my mom asked the nurse what she should bring me tomorrow, and I mentioned wanting a book, the nurse just replied, "...sure, but maybe something light," which basically meant, *you have no idea what's coming for you.* And that's exactly what happened. They handed me a handful of pills immediately, and I slept for three days straight. I was completely incapacitated; the meds just turned me into a vegetable. I checked in with nothing but physical weakness, and they turned me into a shell of a person. Things have only gone downhill since that day, so in my view, it isn't a coincidence that I've been struggling ever since I walked through those doors...
That’s my take on maladaptive behavior.

Who exactly told you that you were schizophrenic? You’re the one who went ahead and listed all those symptoms yourself, but then I saw you out there dealing with some sort of diagnosis involving psychotic episodes or whatever else they called it.

I was only talking about the mild symptoms of schizophrenia.


What's the logic there? How exactly did you jump to the conclusion that I’m losing my grip on reality just because I didn't lay out a whole manifesto? All I said was that I ended up spending some time in a psychiatric ward, and somehow that’s enough for you to decide I'm completely delusional. It feels like you're taking one tiny piece of information and building an entire, baseless case around it, which is honestly pretty ridiculous.

Where exactly did you get the idea that I’m trying to label you or hand down some kind of diagnosis? That isn't what's happening here. What I'm actually trying to tell you is that you need to sit with what happened to you and actually process it properly, rather than just reciting a play-by-play list of everything that went wrong like you're reading from a grocery receipt. That's really all there is to it. Honestly, I couldn't care less about your court cases, how broken the world is, or all the systemic injustice supposedly happening in the psychotherapy industry. All that noise is just useless baggage that isn't going to do a single thing to help you move forward.

Of course you’re just throwing accusations around without a single shred of actual evidence to back them up.

I’m asking you again: where exactly did I sit you down and hand you some clinical diagnosis? Where did I ever claim you had some sort of pathology, other than what's staring everyone in the face through the way you conduct yourself on this forum?

So, I ended up stuck in a psychiatric ward because I was feeling physically under the weather for about a week, but the whole thing actually started because I’ve been seeing my psychiatrist on a regular basis—mostly just as a precaution since I’ve dealt with addiction issues in the past. Everything seemed totally fine and routine until we were right in the middle of a session. Out of nowhere, I just froze. It wasn't like I forgot a word; it was more like this heavy, dark shadow suddenly swept over my mind and I couldn't focus on anything for a few seconds. It was brief, but it was enough. The weird part is that before that little lapse, everything I was telling her about being hacked and all that chaos felt completely grounded. We weren't even talking about anything crazy; we were just having a normal, level-headed conversation about my problems, but that one momentary glitch apparently triggered her to recommend immediate hospitalization.

Just because your psychiatrist didn't snap at you immediately and tell you that you were talking absolute nonsense doesn't mean your thoughts weren't valid or real. Honestly, he was probably just playing damage control, trying to sidestep that frantic, hysterical loop of self-justification you get stuck in when the paranoia starts kicking in. It’s like trying to put out a forest fire with a water pistol; he was likely just trying to de-escalate the situation before things spiraled. And once he realized you were dealing with actual blackouts? That's when the tone shifts. He probably gave you some version of "the wheels have come off the wagon" and told you straight up that you need to be admitted to a psychiatric ward for observation. It wasn't an insult; it was a reality check.

It isn't some delusional take on my part to be skeptical about psychiatric drugs and the whole medical establishment; I’m speaking from the front lines because I’ve actually been inside those walls and lived through it. I know exactly how these doctors and nurses carry themselves. You seem to be talking like someone who has never even stepped foot in a psych ward, and frankly, there’s a massive difference between theory and reality. I can still vividly recall the moment I checked into the facility. The reception was nothing short of hostile. One of the orderlies gave me this grim, piercing look—he just arched an eyebrow and flashed this cynical little smirk, like he was silently welcoming me to hell. And then there was the nurse. When my mom asked her what I might need brought in tomorrow, and I mentioned wanting a book, the nurse just shot back, "Sure, but make it something light," which was clearly her way of saying, *“Good luck, kid, you have no idea what kind of nightmare you’re walking into.”* And she wasn't lying. The second I was admitted, they hit me with a handful of pills. I spent the next three days in a complete stupor, totally incapacitated and feeling absolutely numb, like my soul had been wiped out by the medication. I walked into that hospital dealing primarily with physical exhaustion and weakness, and within hours, they had turned me into a literal vegetable. Everything has gone downhill for me since that day, and I am telling you right now, it is no coincidence that my mental state has plummeted ever since I crossed that threshold.
So much for talking about maladaptive behavior.

You still haven't actually explained how a few seconds of silence somehow led to a psychiatric diagnosis you picked up at the clinic, nor why you even went to see a psychiatrist in the first place—assuming it wasn't just a suggestion—and certainly not why you stuck around that awful ward after getting that look from your brother and being told to stick to light reading.

When someone says, "Sure, but maybe something light," they aren't making a comment on the quality of the library in that depressing facility; they’re almost certainly signaling, "She's unstable, don't give her anything heavy." Between your brother's judgmental stare and those suggestions for easy reading, maybe you should start looking for the shame that’s driving you to deny what actually happened to you.

You were already struggling long before you ever stepped foot in a psych ward. You still don't seem to grasp what your actual issue is, but trust me, the root of the problem started way before that. Doctors don't just hand out antipsychotics to people simply because they paused during a conversation.

Anyway, I'm done wrestling with your projected paranoia.

I tried to offer you some advice—it’s a bitter pill to swallow, sure, but it's healthy—but since you clearly think you're the smartest and most unfortunate person on the planet, go ahead and enjoy that mindset if you can. If you ever feel like having an honest conversation, this forum is here, and I hope I am too, so feel free to drop by. You can even tell me I'm still chasing that old grudge then; I won't mind.

You've already been flagged by the moderators for maladaptive behavior, so you might want to watch yourself. 🙂
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4364 ·
Dana Vaughn said:I'm not even being aggressive; if anything, I'm just passive, depressed, and completely lacking any motivation or willpower.
That's exactly why I started this thread. You're misreading me. I guess I just posted this in the wrong place.

🙂

To assume that a mental health disorder is some sort of fixed, unchangeable entity that a psychiatrist "ought" to simply cure... isn't that fundamentally mistaken? Can we truly hold doctors accountable for every failure when dealing with unpredictable illnesses, particularly something like schizophrenia?

Looking at your entire post, you spent all this energy trying to justify why you aren't aggressive, but honestly, did anyone even ask you that?
Yes, fine, perhaps you are passive and depressed, but when faced with unusual circumstances or interpersonal friction, you seem to lack the necessary self-control, which then manifests as aggression.
And what exactly would be a "better" place for this topic?
The Teen section?
I have absolutely no intention of trying to convince you that you have problems if you refuse to accept it—even when presented with new information. It's frightening, isn't it? And frankly, I would be scared too. You don't want to be labeled by those specific diagnostic criteria that point toward a certain type of psychosis.
See, it isn't like breaking a leg where you go in for a cast and you're done; that doesn't exist in American psychiatry. Symptoms are convoluted, phenomena overlap constantly—it is pure contradiction.
Your view of your own condition is quite narrow; you're reacting exactly how I described in my previous post.
There is no shame in seeking treatment for psychosis, even if you feel the diagnosis isn't accurate. You mentioned experiencing derealization yourself... that alone is enough to rule certain things out, while simultaneously casting suspicion on others.
Ultimately, our only goal here is to highlight the dangers of running away from the truth, regardless of what that truth might be.
You are thinking purely through emotion, and in doing so, you are preemptively shielding yourself from the very things YOU are saying.
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
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#4365 ·
Bluzara said:
🙂

So, honestly, looking at a mental health condition as some fixed, unchangeable thing that a psychiatrist "must" fix is just a mistake from the start. We can't really blame doctors for every setback when dealing with unpredictable illnesses, especially with something like schizophrenia.

Looking back at your whole post, you somehow ended up defending your aggressiveness, even though nobody actually asked you to, if I'm being honest.
It’s true, you tend to be passive or depressed, but when things get unusual or interpersonal relationships get messy, you seem to lack enough self-control, and that’s when the behavior turns aggressive.
Where would a "better" place to post this topic even be?
The teen section?
I have absolutely no intention of trying to convince you that you actually have problems if you aren't ready to accept it, even when presented with new information. It’s scary, and I get it—I think I’d be scared too. You don't want to be labeled by something that fits the criteria for a specific type of psychosis.
See, it isn't like breaking a leg where you just go in for treatment; psychiatry doesn't work like that. Symptoms are complicated, many phenomena overlap... there are contradictions everywhere.
Your view of your own condition seems pretty narrow, and you're reacting exactly how I mentioned in my previous post.
There’s no shame in seeking treatment for any kind of psychosis, even if it feels untrue to you. You mentioned experiencing derealization yourself... that alone is enough to rule certain things out, but also to raise suspicion about others.
At the end of the day, we just want to point out the dangers of running away from the truth, whatever that truth might be.
You're thinking purely emotionally, and that way, you're essentially shielding yourself from your own words.

The most important thing is that my diagnosis has nothing to do with schizophrenia, even though you keep trying to label me as such. I don't know why; maybe it's easier to throw that word around, or maybe it makes someone feel better, I don't get it. But none of that matters. I came here to talk about how I'm feeling right now, why I feel this way, and I just happened to share my experience from the hospital along the way.
Maybe I should just ignore your posts instead of arguing with you, because that's how I end up looking aggressive.
I thought about putting this under depression or something similar; I really don't see who is being aggressive here.
Believe me, I would much rather have a schizophrenia diagnosis than feel the way I feel right now. That's not the issue. Maybe I'm just being taken too literally. I don't care what my diagnosis is, as long as I'm okay.
If psychiatrists and medications work for you, then great—it means your therapy is hitting the mark and you're being treated properly. It isn't working for me. I was fine before the hospital, and no one can tell me that my current state isn't because of the meds and the hospital stay.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#4366 ·
Is it not truly remarkable how much we can learn from those who walk beside us on this journey? One cannot help but wonder if there exists a deeper purpose behind our shared experiences. kaže:
Friends, I find myself feeling quite unwell once again. Is it possible that my health will ever truly stabilize? I am facing yet another trip to the hospital, and I must confess, I have reached such a low point today that I actually ate a dog. And then he went and implanted a chip right in his head!

Are you truly suggesting that he actually implanted a chip inside his head?

To engineer semiconductor chips, one requires a level of technological sophistication that is truly staggering, wouldn't you agree?

If you find yourself plagued by these relentless intrusive thoughts or overwhelming compulsions—even when you possess the full clarity to know they aren't grounded in reality, yet you feel utterly powerless to resist them—perhaps you might consider seeking guidance from a professional? Is it possible to find true healing when one relies solely on medication? I feel compelled to seek out some form of spiritual guidance. I am searching for someone capable of casting out the demons that seem to possess my very soul. Since I am not a Christian, I am not necessarily looking for a traditional exorcism—though I suppose that remains an option—but rather, I find myself drawn toward more alternative methods of healing.

I must reiterate my position: you really ought to remain on your medication.

Would it not be more accurate to reserve a diagnosis of schizophrenia for those who exhibit bizarre or violent behavior alongside the standard symptoms, specifically when they fail to distinguish their delusions from reality? If an individual presents with nearly identical symptoms but maintains a firm grasp on what is real, should we not perhaps look toward alternative spiritual guidance rather than strictly clinical psychiatry, considering they might simply be experiencing a sense of being possessed?

One must never allow a patient to shift the entire burden of "guilt" onto the possessor, for is it not true that no entity of darkness possesses such overwhelming strength that it cannot be cast out?
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
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#4367 ·
I was just sitting here thinking about how much everything seems to be shifting lately... you know? It’s like one day things are steady, and the next, you're looking at a completely different landscape. I found myself staring out the window this morning, just watching the traffic move along—kind of like how life just keeps rolling regardless of whether we're ready for the change or not. It reminds me of that old saying about how progress isn't always a straight line. Sometimes it's more of a jagged, messy scribble. I was reading this article on Psychology Today the other day—one of those deep dives that makes you question your own habits—and it really hit home. We spend so much time trying to organize our lives into neat little boxes, but reality is rarely that polite. Anyway, I don't mean to ramble. I just felt like sharing that bit of reflection. It’s been on my mind. kaže:
Who actually told you that you were schizophrenic? You mentioned those symptoms yourself earlier... though I did see something about you being out there with some kind of diagnosis involving psychotic episodes, or something along those lines.

Where exactly am I jumping to conclusions about your diagnosis? That’s not what this is. I’m just trying to tell you that you need to actually process what happened to you—really sit with it—instead of just bottling everything up inside. That’s all I'm saying. Honestly, I couldn't care less about court cases, how broken the world is, or all the unfairness in the psychotherapy industry. All of that is just noise, and frankly, it isn't going to help you move forward.

I’m asking you again... where exactly did I establish a diagnosis for you? Or even suggest there was some kind of pathology at all, other than what seems pretty obvious from the way you carry yourself here on the forum?

Just because your psychiatrist didn't tell you straight up that you were talking nonsense doesn't mean what you said wasn't coming from somewhere real. Honestly, I think he was probably just trying to sidestep one of those frantic, hysterical bursts where you try to justify every paranoid thought you have. It’s exhausting, isn't it? Trying to make sense of things that don't feel right. And when he realized you were having blackouts... man, he probably just brushed it off or told you that you were losing it and needed to head over to the psychiatric ward at Mayo Clinic or something like that. Or maybe he just gave you that look—you know the one—where they basically imply you've lost your grip on reality.

You still haven't quite laid it out for me... how exactly does a few seconds of silence lead to a full-blown diagnosis from a psychiatrist? I'm still circling back to that. And honestly, why did you even end up at that clinic in the first place? Was it just someone suggesting it, or was there more to it? It’s hard for me to wrap my head around why you stayed in that awful ward, too—especially after your brother gave you that piercing, judgmental look and suggested you just go pick up some light reading to cheer yourself up. It feels like there are pieces missing here.

"Maybe something light," he probably meant... you know, like a subtle warning that she’s a bit much to handle and buying her a heavy, dense tome would be a disaster. It wasn't really about the section being subpar or only stocked with beach reads. Looking back at that sharp, judgmental glare from his brother combined with that suggestion for a lighter read, I can't help but think there's some underlying shame there. Maybe it's the kind of embarrassment that makes you want to just brush the whole situation under the rug.

You were doing quite poorly even before you ever stepped foot into a psychiatric ward. And honestly, it feels like you still haven't quite grasped what the core issue is, though the root of it all clearly started much further back than this. Also, just for the record, doctors don't exactly hand out antipsychotics just because someone takes a little pause while they're talking.

Honestly, I just don't have the energy to keep wrestling with this projected paranoia of yours. It’s exhausting.

I was just trying to offer a bit of advice. It’s not exactly easy to swallow, I know—kind of bitter medicine—but it’s for your own good. Still, you clearly have everything figured out better than anyone else on this planet, and you seem perfectly content being the most miserable person around, so... by all means, enjoy that if you can. If you ever actually want to sit down and have a real, honest conversation, this community is here for you. I'm here, too, if you feel like dropping by. And hey, if you decide you want to tell me I'm still chasing after that same old thing, be my guest. I won't hold it against you.

You’ve already been flagged by the moderators for maladaptive behavior, so you might want to watch your step. Just a heads-up. 🙂

Well, look, you didn't explicitly say I was schizophrenic... but then you went ahead and pivoted to that whole discussion about schizophrenia from some other forum and suggested you think it might be the case with me, too. It feels pretty much the same as if you had just told me straight up that I have schizophrenia.
It’s just not true that my doctor refused to tell me I was losing it. I know exactly how it went down because she confirmed it to my brother—she told him I was speaking perfectly normally right up until the moment that flash happened. Based on that, she realized something was seriously wrong. She offered me some medication, which I turned down, and then the next time we spoke, she suggested hospitalization. I declined that too, so we just left it at the idea that I should at least go get some psychological testing done. I didn't even follow through with the testing. We didn't see each other again for about two weeks, until I started feeling physically terrible. My parents insisted I head to the ER, and my mom really wanted her to be the one to examine me. When she finally showed up, I told her I would finally agree to take the meds, but instead, she just took me straight to the ward.
I just wanted to say that there was honestly no need for them to hospitalize me. I’m still dealing with massive fallout from being stuck in that ward and being pumped full of medications. They spent ten days pushing all this nonsense on me, and then, once they finally saw how much it had messed me up, they just swapped my entire treatment plan around... like I was some kind of lab rat in an experiment.
As for that being a light read... well, that's just how I took it. I mean, what her actual intention was? Only she knows that, but honestly, it didn't sit right with me at all. It wasn't a nice way to go about things, in any case.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4368 ·
Dana Vaughn said:
I was just sitting here thinking about how much everything seems to be shifting lately... you know? It’s like one day things are steady, and the next, you're looking at a completely different landscape. I found myself staring out the window this morning, just watching the traffic move along—kind of like how life just keeps rolling regardless of whether we're ready for the change or not. It reminds me of that old saying about how progress isn't always a straight line. Sometimes it's more of a jagged, messy scribble. I was reading this article on Psychology Today the other day—one of those deep dives that makes you question your own habits—and it really hit home. We spend so much time trying to organize our lives into neat little boxes, but reality is rarely that polite. Anyway, I don't mean to ramble. I just felt like sharing that bit of reflection. It’s been on my mind. kaže:
Who actually told you that you were schizophrenic? You mentioned those symptoms yourself earlier... though I did see something about you being out there with some kind of diagnosis involving psychotic episodes, or something along those lines.

Where exactly am I jumping to conclusions about your diagnosis? That’s not what this is. I’m just trying to tell you that you need to actually process what happened to you—really sit with it—instead of just bottling everything up inside. That’s all I'm saying. Honestly, I couldn't care less about court cases, how broken the world is, or all the unfairness in the psychotherapy industry. All of that is just noise, and frankly, it isn't going to help you move forward.

I’m asking you again... where exactly did I establish a diagnosis for you? Or even suggest there was some kind of pathology at all, other than what seems pretty obvious from the way you carry yourself here on the forum?

Just because your psychiatrist didn't tell you straight up that you were talking nonsense doesn't mean what you said wasn't coming from somewhere real. Honestly, I think he was probably just trying to sidestep one of those frantic, hysterical bursts where you try to justify every paranoid thought you have. It’s exhausting, isn't it? Trying to make sense of things that don't feel right. And when he realized you were having blackouts... man, he probably just brushed it off or told you that you were losing it and needed to head over to the psychiatric ward at Mayo Clinic or something like that. Or maybe he just gave you that look—you know the one—where they basically imply you've lost your grip on reality.

You still haven't quite laid it out for me... how exactly does a few seconds of silence lead to a full-blown diagnosis from a psychiatrist? I'm still circling back to that. And honestly, why did you even end up at that clinic in the first place? Was it just someone suggesting it, or was there more to it? It’s hard for me to wrap my head around why you stayed in that awful ward, too—especially after your brother gave you that piercing, judgmental look and suggested you just go pick up some light reading to cheer yourself up. It feels like there are pieces missing here.

"Maybe something light," he probably meant... you know, like a subtle warning that she’s a bit much to handle and buying her a heavy, dense tome would be a disaster. It wasn't really about the section being subpar or only stocked with beach reads. Looking back at that sharp, judgmental glare from his brother combined with that suggestion for a lighter read, I can't help but think there's some underlying shame there. Maybe it's the kind of embarrassment that makes you want to just brush the whole situation under the rug.

You were doing quite poorly even before you ever stepped foot into a psychiatric ward. And honestly, it feels like you still haven't quite grasped what the core issue is, though the root of it all clearly started much further back than this. Also, just for the record, doctors don't exactly hand out antipsychotics just because someone takes a little pause while they're talking.

Honestly, I just don't have the energy to keep wrestling with this projected paranoia of yours. It’s exhausting.

I was just trying to offer a bit of advice. It’s not exactly easy to swallow, I know—kind of bitter medicine—but it’s for your own good. Still, you clearly have everything figured out better than anyone else on this planet, and you seem perfectly content being the most miserable person around, so... by all means, enjoy that if you can. If you ever actually want to sit down and have a real, honest conversation, this community is here for you. I'm here, too, if you feel like dropping by. And hey, if you decide you want to tell me I'm still chasing after that same old thing, be my guest. I won't hold it against you.

You’ve already been flagged by the moderators for maladaptive behavior, so you might want to watch your step. Just a heads-up. 🙂

Well, look, you didn't explicitly say I was schizophrenic... but then you went ahead and pivoted to that whole discussion about schizophrenia from some other forum and suggested you think it might be the case with me, too. It feels pretty much the same as if you had just told me straight up that I have schizophrenia.
It’s just not true that my doctor refused to tell me I was losing it. I know exactly how it went down because she confirmed it to my brother—she told him I was speaking perfectly normally right up until the moment that flash happened. Based on that, she realized something was seriously wrong. She offered me some medication, which I turned down, and then the next time we spoke, she suggested hospitalization. I declined that too, so we just left it at the idea that I should at least go get some psychological testing done. I didn't even follow through with the testing. We didn't see each other again for about two weeks, until I started feeling physically terrible. My parents insisted I head to the ER, and my mom really wanted her to be the one to examine me. When she finally showed up, I told her I would finally agree to take the meds, but instead, she just took me straight to the ward.
I just wanted to say that there was honestly no need for them to hospitalize me. I’m still dealing with massive fallout from being stuck in that ward and being pumped full of medications. They spent ten days pushing all this nonsense on me, and then, once they finally saw how much it had messed me up, they just swapped my entire treatment plan around... like I was some kind of lab rat in an experiment.
As for that being a light read... well, that's just how I took it. I mean, what her actual intention was? Only she knows that, but honestly, it didn't sit right with me at all. It wasn't a nice way to go about things, in any case.

Hmm, alright then. Let us approach this from a different angle altogether.
By simply participating in this thread, one might walk away with the impression that you suffer from schizophrenia. Of course, that is a mere prejudice, but isn't it true that we have this innate psychological need to latch onto an object? In this specific instance, that object is the title of the thread itself.
It is almost instinctive, really—an immediate, first impression.
But when one digs a bit deeper into the actual words you have penned, a far more nuanced picture begins to emerge, constructed entirely from the information you have provided, whether that information is accurate or not.
And the process would look roughly like this:
Physicians often make errors in predicting the course of an illness because they tend to downplay or outright ignore certain details—even assuming the diagnosis is correct, which, let's face it, is frequently not the case. Is it even easy to determine the root of a problem based solely on the data at hand? Not at all.
If I were to go to Google Images and select any random young woman... that would be you!
Now, I can observe you either "from the inside" or "from the outside."
If I am looking at you from the outside, there is a high probability of failure; however, by looking at you from the inside, a certain intuitive framework regarding the problem begins to take shape.
When observing from the outside, I am merely applying symptoms and drawing from my experiences with other patients; I am "investing" that accumulated knowledge into the information you provide.
Fundamentally, the state of schizophrenia acts as a sort of reference class—a foundation upon which I lean when I attempt to truly perceive you.
Initially, I took the core characteristics of schizophrenia and began making predictions based on a sort of statistical model.
Then, I adjusted that initial prediction to account for what you wrote; that is to say, I incorporated your own subjective perspective on the disorder.
Ultimately, as I stated in previous posts, nothing I have observed was fabricated; I merely translated it using different terminology.
Nothing—not a single word—was written lightly, off the top of my head, or without a genuine effort to grasp things in a more precise manner.
In all sincerity, I wish you did not have this disorder; I wish you were simply optimistic and happy.
But your posts offer hints that reality is quite different.
What I think of *you* is completely irrelevant.
What matters is what I think of your disorder.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#4369 ·
It’s honestly pretty easy to see how Dana Vaughn might not be dealing with psychosis at all.

Just because someone is feeling paranoid or scared doesn't mean they've suddenly gone schizophrenic—it's just not how it works.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4370 ·
David Vaughn75 said:It’s honestly pretty easy to see how Dana Vaughn might not be dealing with psychosis at all.

Just because someone is feeling paranoid or scared doesn't mean they've suddenly gone schizophrenic—it's just not how it works.

Is she psychotic? Is it schizophrenia? Honestly, I just don't know.
She might be dealing with an acute transient psychotic disorder.
It happened—but it doesn't have to happen again.
The real issue lies in the root causes.
Why did this even happen in the first place?
Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active Member
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#4371 ·
Charles Patel said:I drop in on this thread every now and then to learn from these "real-life examples," since I work in the medical field. 😉

Quick question: for anyone here who used marijuana or other drugs that likely acted as a trigger for your condition—do you actually regret doing it now?

What a nasty question—and what a joke to realize there might be someone behind it claiming to be a health professional.😢
No—anyone who dealt with a severe mental illness triggered by substance use is definitely not feeling "lucky," let alone proud of that phase of their youth.😍

So, you're in serious medicine and you're "educating" yourself via an online forum?
Are you just handing out definitive diagnoses that marijuana or some other drug triggered someone's schizophrenia?
We all know there's a correlation there—but posing as a "medical professional" while throwing around basic internet clichés without any actual depth or argument... Wtf?!
Charles Patel Charles Patel Member
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#4372 ·
So now you’re feeling targeted? 🙂

Look, depending on where we land for work, some of us aren't exactly dealing with patients facing mental health struggles on a daily basis. It all comes down to which hospital or clinic we happen to get placed in.

And if you think I just sit around reading textbooks and clinical manuals—yeah, I stay sharp. I also spend time reading through forums and other sites where people actually describe their problems and look for advice or help.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4373 ·
Charles Patel said:So now you’re feeling targeted? 🙂

Look, depending on where we land for work, some of us aren't exactly dealing with patients facing mental health struggles on a daily basis. It all comes down to which hospital or clinic we happen to get placed in.

And if you think I just sit around reading textbooks and clinical manuals—yeah, I stay sharp. I also spend time reading through forums and other sites where people actually describe their problems and look for advice or help.

Yes, I would actually dedicate a portion of my learning to this forum. Every single day, I am in contact with individuals facing various diagnoses—all falling under the umbrella of, say, schizophrenia.
Without direct communication with them—which can be incredibly difficult, if not impossible—we might only observe external changes. But what does "change" even mean? It’s subjective, isn't it? One person sees a lot, another sees nothing at all.
In essence, this forum represents one of those vital opportunities to learn firsthand.
Why shouldn't we?
There are certain cognitive algorithms that shape a skilled diagnostician—someone who, by rare chance, gets to work directly with patients—but those very algorithms often get lost in a sea of information because they never get the opportunity to be applied in a practical, real-world way.
Many patients express themselves with perfect clarity through writing, whereas verbal conversation is almost impossible for them.
I see absolutely no reason to avoid a forum like this. Certainly, professionals read Psychology Today and other resources, but perhaps due to a certain fear of losing credibility, they hesitate to jump into discussions.
Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active Member
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#4374 ·
I didn't feel targeted, per se—it just struck me as wild that a doctor would actually ask something like
"I'm curious, for those who used marijuana or other drugs that likely acted as a trigger for your condition, do you regret doing that now?"

It’s a bit like someone getting hit by a car and you asking them, "So, do you regret not looking both ways?"
If you're trying to pull a Dr. House routine, fine—then I guess it makes sense.

Charles Patel said:So now you’re feeling targeted? 🙂

Look, depending on where we land for work, some of us aren't exactly dealing with patients facing mental health struggles on a daily basis. It all comes down to which hospital or clinic we happen to get placed in.

And if you think I just sit around reading textbooks and clinical manuals—yeah, I stay sharp. I also spend time reading through forums and other sites where people actually describe their problems and look for advice or help.
Charles Patel Charles Patel Member
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#4375 ·
Thanks to my colleague for the defense 🙂 😉

I'm on the exact same page. Actually, they beat me to it because I was just about to post that when you're dealing with patients in an acute psychotic state, having a "normal" conversation is just impossible.

It’s honestly refreshing to read firsthand accounts here from people living with these conditions who are actually in a good headspace and can share what they're going through.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4376 ·
Charles Patel said:Thanks to my colleague for the defense 🙂 😉

I'm on the exact same page. Actually, they beat me to it because I was just about to post that when you're dealing with patients in an acute psychotic state, having a "normal" conversation is just impossible.

It’s honestly refreshing to read firsthand accounts here from people living with these conditions who are actually in a good headspace and can share what they're going through.

We aren't colleagues; I am a client.😲
At the facility where I'm currently receiving treatment, I spend part of my day with people suffering from various types of psychosis—though even before this, I was placed in wards with schizophrenic patients due to a lack of available space.
Those who truly know how to look... they see.😉
Charles Patel Charles Patel Member
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#4377 ·
Ahahahaha sorry—I haven't been keeping up with all your posts, so I couldn't tell which position you were talking about here 😂

But whatever, as long as we're on the same page 🙂
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4378 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:I didn't feel targeted, per se—it just struck me as wild that a doctor would actually ask something like
"I'm curious, for those who used marijuana or other drugs that likely acted as a trigger for your condition, do you regret doing that now?"

It’s a bit like someone getting hit by a car and you asking them, "So, do you regret not looking both ways?"
If you're trying to pull a Dr. House routine, fine—then I guess it makes sense.

Drugs can be a trigger for schizophrenia, sure, but they aren't the cause.
By that logic, if schizophrenia hadn't come to light back then, some other factor would have just been the trigger instead.
I don't see any point in carrying around guilt if the schizophrenia was already present within us.
The fact that smoking initiated an episode doesn't change much; even having great sex could technically be the reason symptoms surfaced.
Your zebra analogy isn't exactly hitting the mark because our starting point is fundamentally different, so it carries none of that weight.

I really hope Charles Patel realizes that drugs cannot be the root cause of a disease, especially not schizophrenia. In reality, we don't truly know the causes, but certain elements play a role—genetics, biology, some people claim family dynamics (though that's a stretch), stress, and blah blah blah.
Certain substances can certainly induce psychosis, and by extension, schizophrenia.
Charles Patel Charles Patel Member
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#4379 ·
Of course I get it. I studied this stuff and drilled it into my head constantly all through high school and college! 😉

And I never said it was the cause—just a trigger. I know plenty of people where marijuana acted as the trigger for psychotic symptoms to kick in.
My first post on this thread wasn't meant to provoke anyone. I just wanted to express my thoughts and emotions, you know? All the things you can't really suppress when you're dealing with someone in acute psychosis. 🙂
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#4380 ·
Charles Patel said:Of course I get it. I studied this stuff and drilled it into my head constantly all through high school and college! 😉

And I never said it was the cause—just a trigger. I know plenty of people where marijuana acted as the trigger for psychotic symptoms to kick in.
My first post on this thread wasn't meant to provoke anyone. I just wanted to express my thoughts and emotions, you know? All the things you can't really suppress when you're dealing with someone in acute psychosis. 🙂

In that case, it would be truly fascinating to hear both your reflections and your firsthand experiences.
After all, isn't every form of unpredictability incredibly intriguing? Whether we are talking about how we approach people, or how we approach the illness itself.
Should one strictly follow what they have been taught, or should one adapt to the situation at hand? And yet, isn't there always that razor-thin line of losing credibility that we can't always precisely define?
What is it, in academic circles, that actually defines a truly skilled and experienced psychiatrist when it comes to schizophrenia?
Why is it, in your estimation, that we possess such brilliant diagnosticians but such desperate prognosticators?
What specific information could potentially serve to make those prognoses more effective?

Believe me, I have a million questions for which I simply cannot find an adequate answer.😉

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