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Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
732 messages
joined May 2023
#4401 ·
Dana Vaughn said:I'm going to start taking that Azolar this Monday, though I have my doubts about whether it'll actually get me steady again. I feel like I probably need a heavy-duty antidepressant to boost my dopamine and serotonin levels and find some equilibrium.
It is a new drug, but unfortunately, my doctor didn't offer it to me right away.
I don't know which is worse—being psychotic or being stuck in this state. I completely understand where you're coming from.
I'm also taking Depakote; does that have any impact on your mental state?

Personally, I think depression feels heavier than psychosis, mainly because at least with depression, you can still function somewhat, whereas with psychosis, you're just totally out of it.
I took Depakote for a while too (those large white pills), and it definitely tends to dampen your mood, and if my memory serves me right, it could even trigger manic episodes. I ended up taking it to help manage some compulsive behaviors I had shortly after my bout with psychosis.

As for Effexor... I take 150 mg, though I know there are 75 mg and 37.5 mg doses out there. I can say it helps, but I still don't always feel great; I still experience bouts of heavy depression from time to time. It's hard for me to socialize sometimes because I feel this sense of unease and restlessness. People tell me I come across as melancholy, but that’s just how I’ve been since I was a kid, long before I ever got sick. In my case, the illness seemed to develop quite gradually over time.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
626 messages
joined Sep 2015
#4402 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:Honestly, I’d just be grateful for the medication and my psychiatrist. If you aren't dealing with symptoms on top of everything else, it really means your dosage is right where it needs to be. 😉

I mean, I'm on a pretty low dose myself, but honestly? It's good to keep in mind that you can actually work through and mitigate most of those nasty side effects just by staying active and training hard.
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
28 messages
joined Feb 2014
#4403 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:Personally, I think depression feels heavier than psychosis, mainly because at least with depression, you can still function somewhat, whereas with psychosis, you're just totally out of it.
I took Depakote for a while too (those large white pills), and it definitely tends to dampen your mood, and if my memory serves me right, it could even trigger manic episodes. I ended up taking it to help manage some compulsive behaviors I had shortly after my bout with psychosis.

As for Effexor... I take 150 mg, though I know there are 75 mg and 37.5 mg doses out there. I can say it helps, but I still don't always feel great; I still experience bouts of heavy depression from time to time. It's hard for me to socialize sometimes because I feel this sense of unease and restlessness. People tell me I come across as melancholy, but that’s just how I’ve been since I was a kid, long before I ever got sick. In my case, the illness seemed to develop quite gradually over time.

As far as I can remember, I've always been a pretty normal person. Though, I suppose I've always had bad luck—just constant issues following me around. There was drug experimentation, messing things up with alcohol... I lived quite a turbulent life. And then, out of nowhere, I fell into this inexplicable state. I started this online relationship with a guy, and it ended badly. I was terrified of him listening to my phone calls—even though he said he wouldn't—and I'd get anxious at every little movement of the mouse on my computer. I felt like everything was connected back to him. I don't know, I wasn't totally "gone," but my parents said I seemed different than usual. They suggested I go to the hospital to let things settle down, so I stayed for about 20 days. I was put on Solian and Depakote. Honestly, I've mostly forgotten that whole period because I was hospitalized for those 20 days before the meds even really kicked in to help. All the medication really gave me were the negative side effects, which I mentioned earlier.
I'm not sure how one actually recovers from this. I'm really hoping that the Velafax is the answer, so I can eventually drop the Depakote.
Regarding the depression itself, maybe it is a bit easier to treat. I think faith plays a big part in helping, and I agree with what you said—it's easier to function when you're dealing with that compared to other things.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
732 messages
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#4404 ·
Dana Vaughn said:As far as I can remember, I've always been a pretty normal person. Though, I suppose I've always had bad luck—just constant issues following me around. There was drug experimentation, messing things up with alcohol... I lived quite a turbulent life. And then, out of nowhere, I fell into this inexplicable state. I started this online relationship with a guy, and it ended badly. I was terrified of him listening to my phone calls—even though he said he wouldn't—and I'd get anxious at every little movement of the mouse on my computer. I felt like everything was connected back to him. I don't know, I wasn't totally "gone," but my parents said I seemed different than usual. They suggested I go to the hospital to let things settle down, so I stayed for about 20 days. I was put on Solian and Depakote. Honestly, I've mostly forgotten that whole period because I was hospitalized for those 20 days before the meds even really kicked in to help. All the medication really gave me were the negative side effects, which I mentioned earlier.
I'm not sure how one actually recovers from this. I'm really hoping that the Velafax is the answer, so I can eventually drop the Depakote.
Regarding the depression itself, maybe it is a bit easier to treat. I think faith plays a big part in helping, and I agree with what you said—it's easier to function when you're dealing with that compared to other things.

It’s entirely possible that your mind just reached a breaking point after living through all that, and that relationship was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. My own experience was limited to trying weed—which I mixed with alcohol, a truly terrible mistake 🙂—but I think genetics played the biggest role since my mother struggles with the same issues, and I’m fairly certain a pretty traumatic childhood was a major contributing factor too.

But please, don't go changing anything on your own; even if Depakote feels like one of the milder options out there, you really have to follow what the doctors say. Regardless of whether it feels like the medication isn't working, there's a chance you experienced a genuine psychotic episode that could easily return if you stop taking them abruptly.
And yeah, faith definitely helps in any case, but how can you be so sure that’s what I meant? Come on, enlighten my paranoid mind. 🤣
goldenharbor55 goldenharbor55 Newcomer
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#4405 ·
A colleague of mine has a 30-year-old son who was actually a brilliant student. Then, during his senior year, everything just fell apart... he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. It’s heartbreaking. This man would do absolutely anything for his kid. Right now, the guy just sits at home. He has hair down to his waist, nails two inches long, and walks around in a t-shirt in the middle of winter. It’s devastating to see him like this, but I get it—a parent would do EVERYTHING for their child. SERIOUSLY. I mean, he'd probably drink anything if it helped. Just kidding. But look, there’s that story in the Bible about King Nebuchadnezzar losing his mind (Daniel chapter 4). Do you know how he recovered? He spent seven years out in the wilderness eating grass like an animal. He lived like a beast. I wonder how a schizophrenic brain would react if they made a choice like that—to just head into the woods and live off the land, berries, and whatever else they find. That kind of shock to the system is massive. Personally, I believe that level of intensity might actually cure someone, but nobody has the strength to try it.
blueangler1 blueangler1 Newcomer
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#4406 ·
Honestly, it’s way easier to just dump someone who's struggling out in the middle of the woods to live like an animal—or force them to drink their own urine—than it is to actually get them to a psychiatrist. I mean, seriously, what century are we even living in? 🙂
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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joined Sep 2009
#4407 ·
goldenharbor55 said:A colleague of mine has a 30-year-old son who was actually a brilliant student. Then, during his senior year, everything just fell apart... he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. It’s heartbreaking. This man would do absolutely anything for his kid. Right now, the guy just sits at home. He has hair down to his waist, nails two inches long, and walks around in a t-shirt in the middle of winter. It’s devastating to see him like this, but I get it—a parent would do EVERYTHING for their child. SERIOUSLY. I mean, he'd probably drink anything if it helped. Just kidding. But look, there’s that story in the Bible about King Nebuchadnezzar losing his mind (Daniel chapter 4). Do you know how he recovered? He spent seven years out in the wilderness eating grass like an animal. He lived like a beast. I wonder how a schizophrenic brain would react if they made a choice like that—to just head into the woods and live off the land, berries, and whatever else they find. That kind of shock to the system is massive. Personally, I believe that level of intensity might actually cure someone, but nobody has the strength to try it.

Well, why don't you give it a shot and let us know how it goes?

The Bible interprets it as Nebuchadnezzar turning away from God, which caused his madness. His sanity only returned after seven years when he finally looked up toward the heavens and acknowledged the authority of Jehovah.

"Brilliant"! So, because a king refuses to align himself with some God, that same God scrambles his brain until he finally admits to His supremacy.

Such a merciful God.
George Cook George Cook Active Member
87 messages
joined May 2014
#4408 ·
Screening of a film featuring two women who recovered from schizophrenia...

Today, May 24, 2014.
from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM

MoSt Association
4th Street Bridge, Office: 52 Gundulic St, 33101 Miami, US
The first woman is Joanna Greenberg (fully recovered for over 50 years), the bestselling author of "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden." The second is Catherine Penney (fully recovered for over 30 years), a psychiatric nurse from California whose recovery story was documented by her psychotherapist, Daniel Dorman, MD, in the book "Dante's Cure: road from insanity."

Their stories are woven together with interviews from heavyweights in the field of schizophrenia recovery. This includes Peter Breggin, MD (author of "Toxic Psychiatry"), Robert Whitaker (journalist and author of "madness in America" and "anatomy of epidemic"), and Dr. Bertram Karon (author of "Schizophrenia Psychotherapy: The Treatment of Choice"). Additionally, the film features over 100 interview clips of people sharing their views on schizophrenia, filmed in Washington Square Park in New York City.


https://www.facebook.com/events/1386...84305/?fref=ts

The film is available for download. If you aren't tech-savvy, send me your address via DM and I can burn it onto a CD and mail it to you..

Also, if anyone is in Miami, there’s a week-long gathering happening—send me a DM for details (anyone is welcome, regardless of diagnosis; we represent a wide spectrum of experiences 😉).

🙂
James Gray33 James Gray33 Newcomer
8 messages
joined May 2014
#4409 ·
George Cook said:Screening of a film featuring two women who recovered from schizophrenia...

Today, May 24, 2014.
from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM

MoSt Association
4th Street Bridge, Office: 52 Gundulic St, 33101 Miami, US
The first woman is Joanna Greenberg (fully recovered for over 50 years), the bestselling author of "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden." The second is Catherine Penney (fully recovered for over 30 years), a psychiatric nurse from California whose recovery story was documented by her psychotherapist, Daniel Dorman, MD, in the book "Dante's Cure: road from insanity."

Their stories are woven together with interviews from heavyweights in the field of schizophrenia recovery. This includes Peter Breggin, MD (author of "Toxic Psychiatry"), Robert Whitaker (journalist and author of "madness in America" and "anatomy of epidemic"), and Dr. Bertram Karon (author of "Schizophrenia Psychotherapy: The Treatment of Choice"). Additionally, the film features over 100 interview clips of people sharing their views on schizophrenia, filmed in Washington Square Park in New York City.


https://www.facebook.com/events/1386...84305/?fref=ts

The film is available for download. If you aren't tech-savvy, send me your address via DM and I can burn it onto a CD and mail it to you..

Also, if anyone is in Miami, there’s a week-long gathering happening—send me a DM for details (anyone is welcome, regardless of diagnosis; we represent a wide spectrum of experiences 😉).

🙂

Which website can I use to download the film?
Thanks.
George Cook George Cook Active Member
87 messages
joined May 2014
#4410 ·
James Gray33 said:Which website can I use to download the film?
Thanks.

I'll ask to be and then javin!! 😉
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
515 messages
joined Sep 2009
#4411 ·
An older gentleman recently reached out to me, asking if I could look into how people living with schizophrenia deal with constipation as a side effect of antipsychotic medication. He shared that his wife struggles with paranoid schizophrenia; they find themselves trapped in a harrowing cycle where she is either heavily medicated or, if they attempt to taper her dose even slightly, her symptoms spiral out of control. They have tried reducing her dosage under a psychiatrist's supervision, but it simply hasn't worked. She begins to suffer from intense jealousy toward him and develops suspicions about everyone—fearing people are poisoning her water, that representatives from a major bank like Chase will arrive to seize their home, or that her very thoughts are being stolen along with her money. This leads to drinking and aggression, even toward their adult children. There were several instances where she attacked victims with a knife and a broom, which ultimately necessitated her involuntary hospitalization.

Under the weight of these heavy medications, she has become so unmotivated and lethargic that he has had to take over every single household chore, from cleaning and laundry to cooking. Since he is "fortunately" retired now, he manages to get everything done, but he finds it absolutely devastating to watch her exist in such a state day after day.

I suggested he keep an eye on her thyroid health and her diet, to which he replied that his primary care physician gave him the exact same advice. He has been monitoring her thyroid every few months for years; he tries his best to watch what he cooks, yet she suffers from constipation regardless. Only tiny amounts of figs or prunes seem to offer any relief. She takes Levothyroxine 50 mg, and while her thyroid levels appear normal, her entire existence revolves around constipation and bowel movements—constantly worrying about what to eat or where she can sit comfortably after a meal. He initially wondered if she was merely imagining the severity of the constipation, thinking perhaps it was just another delusion stemming from her illness.

However, all doubt vanished when their toilet "broke" several times, forcing him to fix it—only to be confronted by the grim reality of her massive bowel movements. When he brought this to her psychiatrist, the doctor simply brushed him off, saying, "That's just how it is; you have to accept it, as long as the thyroid is fine." He wonders, if he attempts to lead her through some light exercises, might he help stimulate her intestinal peristalsis? But he struggles just to persuade her to engage in a mere ten minutes of movement once a day. The moment he tries anything even slightly more intense or prolonged, she scratches at him, spits, screams, yawns, and moans about how booooooooorrrrriiiiiiiiiiing it is. Getting her to go for a walk or run is an impossible feat.

What can a man do to help her from his side of the struggle?
Kate Ramos93 Kate Ramos93 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jun 2014
#4412 ·
Regarding Azolar, I've been taking it for four months now, but alongside Zyprexa (15mg daily)... my psychiatrist tried to have me taper off the Zyprexa, but it just didn't work; I became completely non-functional and paranoid...

Azolar (aripiprazole) is a decent newer medication and carries fewer side effects than Zyprexa, though it isn't quite as effective on its own. My doctor mentioned these two could be taken together, which is what I'm doing currently...

Anyway, my current regimen is

Azolar 10 mg (1,0,0)
Zyprexa 10mg (0,0,1 and 1/2)
Depakote Chrono 300mg (1,0,1)
Calixta 15mg (0,0,1)
Xanax 0.5mg (0,1,0)

PS - I'm living with Paranoid Schizophrenia F20.0

🙂
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
28 messages
joined Feb 2014
#4413 ·
Kate Ramos93 said:Regarding Azolar, I've been taking it for four months now, but alongside Zyprexa (15mg daily)... my psychiatrist tried to have me taper off the Zyprexa, but it just didn't work; I became completely non-functional and paranoid...

Azolar (aripiprazole) is a decent newer medication and carries fewer side effects than Zyprexa, though it isn't quite as effective on its own. My doctor mentioned these two could be taken together, which is what I'm doing currently...

Anyway, my current regimen is

Azolar 10 mg (1,0,0)
Zyprexa 10mg (0,0,1 and 1/2)
Depakote Chrono 300mg (1,0,1)
Calixta 15mg (0,0,1)
Xanax 0.5mg (0,1,0)

PS - I'm living with Paranoid Schizophrenia F20.0

🙂

Personally, I don't think it's a bad drug, but in my case, things changed because she used to put me on a heavy dose of Seroquel, which she has since scaled back significantly. I find my memory is slipping, along with my ability to perceive things clearly, make logical connections, or even just concentrate. I honestly can't tell if it's the medication itself causing this, or if some kind of dependency has set in. I've been thinking about dropping the antipsychotics entirely—maybe just sticking with the Depakote—and trying to manage things with herbal teas and St. John's Wort. I really just want to be free from these pills. For context, my diagnosis is other acute and transient psychotic disorders.
silenttinker16 silenttinker16 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jun 2014
#4414 ·
Dana Vaughn said:Personally, I don't think it's a bad drug, but in my case, things changed because she used to put me on a heavy dose of Seroquel, which she has since scaled back significantly. I find my memory is slipping, along with my ability to perceive things clearly, make logical connections, or even just concentrate. I honestly can't tell if it's the medication itself causing this, or if some kind of dependency has set in. I've been thinking about dropping the antipsychotics entirely—maybe just sticking with the Depakote—and trying to manage things with herbal teas and St. John's Wort. I really just want to be free from these pills. For context, my diagnosis is other acute and transient psychotic disorders.

Dana, you got a message.
gentledriver93 gentledriver93 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jun 2014
#4415 ·
Hi everyone!

First off, I want to apologize if I’ve posted this in the wrong section—if I have, I’d really appreciate it if the moderators could move it to the right place. 🙂

As the title suggests, I’ve started having doubts that a friend of mine might be showing signs of schizophrenia. Since I don't really have anyone else to talk to about this—I don't want to bring it up with our other friends because, since I'm not an expert, there's a high chance I'm totally off base—and a part of me feels guilty just for questioning it, I decided to start a thread here. I figured there might be some professionals here, or maybe people who have gone through something similar, who could point me in the right direction.

Anyway, this friend is 26 years old, and his father actually suffers from schizophrenia. For various reasons, we haven't seen each other much outside of the occasional phone call for about two years now, but when we finally managed to hang out again, I couldn't help but notice how much he's changed. It isn't anything overtly alarming, but still...

For starters, he constantly avoids eye contact. His gaze is always darting around—he'll stare at an ashtray on the table instead of looking at the person he's talking to (and I noticed he does this with others too, not just me).

There are also these massive mood swings. For example, at the start of a hangout, he'll be completely flat, depressed, and barely able to squeeze out five simple sentences—he never has a reason for it, either; it’s always just a "bad day" or he's feeling "down." But then, an hour later, he’s jumping around the street, laughing and picking me up in a hug. Unfortunately, those good moods don't usually last very long.

Then there's the insomnia. At first, I didn't pay it much attention—I mean, I have nights where I can't sleep too—but when I realized that every single time we meet, he mentions he hasn't slept until 4 or 5 in the morning, it started to weigh on me. When I asked him about it directly, he said it's been going on for months, but he doesn't want to see a doctor because he's convinced they'll just prescribe him pills.

Regarding that, I don't know—maybe I am overanalyzing things more than I should. In the beginning, I thought it was almost funny, but if I had to find another word for it, it's like he's become somewhat paranoid. I feel silly even writing this because these things seem so trivial, but still... he looks too deeply into everything. He attaches intense importance to things that probably don't deserve it—for instance, he thinks almost every TV show has some hidden meaning or message, mostly intended to "corrupt" people's minds. He thinks all new songs are filled with demons and devils. When he's on the phone, he'll walk out of the building because he thinks it's better if someone isn't eavesdropping, and when we're at a cafe, he's constantly turning around to see if someone is watching him. He constantly feels like someone is staring at him. He doesn't think his dad is sick anymore; instead, he talks about evil forces that have possessed him—and he thinks his mom is just trying to poison him with the medication she gives him, so he's careful about taking it regularly.

Reading this back now, it almost sounds less extreme than how I'm perceiving it, and maybe I am exaggerating, but I'd still love to hear your thoughts. I did a little digging online, and some of his "symptoms" match what people go through in the early stages of schizophrenia, so I felt I had to share my concerns with someone (even if it's just some random person on a forum 😉).
It's possible I just can't wrap my head around how much he's changed during the time we were apart, and that I'm actually the one being paranoid. I would honestly love it if someone could tell me I'm overthinking this.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any thoughts or replies you can offer. 🙂
Sam Robinson Sam Robinson Member
37 messages
joined Apr 2013
#4416 ·
Regarding that whole thing with the eyes, you get that "schizophrenic smiley" look 🙄 but this part here:

gentledriver93 said:Hi everyone!

First off, I want to apologize if I’ve posted this in the wrong section—if I have, I’d really appreciate it if the moderators could move it to the right place. 🙂

As the title suggests, I’ve started having doubts that a friend of mine might be showing signs of schizophrenia. Since I don't really have anyone else to talk to about this—I don't want to bring it up with our other friends because, since I'm not an expert, there's a high chance I'm totally off base—and a part of me feels guilty just for questioning it, I decided to start a thread here. I figured there might be some professionals here, or maybe people who have gone through something similar, who could point me in the right direction.

Anyway, this friend is 26 years old, and his father actually suffers from schizophrenia. For various reasons, we haven't seen each other much outside of the occasional phone call for about two years now, but when we finally managed to hang out again, I couldn't help but notice how much he's changed. It isn't anything overtly alarming, but still...

For starters, he constantly avoids eye contact. His gaze is always darting around—he'll stare at an ashtray on the table instead of looking at the person he's talking to (and I noticed he does this with others too, not just me).

There are also these massive mood swings. For example, at the start of a hangout, he'll be completely flat, depressed, and barely able to squeeze out five simple sentences—he never has a reason for it, either; it’s always just a "bad day" or he's feeling "down." But then, an hour later, he’s jumping around the street, laughing and picking me up in a hug. Unfortunately, those good moods don't usually last very long.

Then there's the insomnia. At first, I didn't pay it much attention—I mean, I have nights where I can't sleep too—but when I realized that every single time we meet, he mentions he hasn't slept until 4 or 5 in the morning, it started to weigh on me. When I asked him about it directly, he said it's been going on for months, but he doesn't want to see a doctor because he's convinced they'll just prescribe him pills.

Regarding that, I don't know—maybe I am overanalyzing things more than I should. In the beginning, I thought it was almost funny, but if I had to find another word for it, it's like he's become somewhat paranoid. I feel silly even writing this because these things seem so trivial, but still... he looks too deeply into everything. He attaches intense importance to things that probably don't deserve it—for instance, he thinks almost every TV show has some hidden meaning or message, mostly intended to "corrupt" people's minds. He thinks all new songs are filled with demons and devils. When he's on the phone, he'll walk out of the building because he thinks it's better if someone isn't eavesdropping, and when we're at a cafe, he's constantly turning around to see if someone is watching him. He constantly feels like someone is staring at him. He doesn't think his dad is sick anymore; instead, he talks about evil forces that have possessed him—and he thinks his mom is just trying to poison him with the medication she gives him, so he's careful about taking it regularly.

Reading this back now, it almost sounds less extreme than how I'm perceiving it, and maybe I am exaggerating, but I'd still love to hear your thoughts. I did a little digging online, and some of his "symptoms" match what people go through in the early stages of schizophrenia, so I felt I had to share my concerns with someone (even if it's just some random person on a forum 😉).
It's possible I just can't wrap my head around how much he's changed during the time we were apart, and that I'm actually the one being paranoid. I would honestly love it if someone could tell me I'm overthinking this.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any thoughts or replies you can offer. 🙂

It seems all too easy for this to fuel an obsession with tracking everything written on Daily News and the excessive veneration of Zeljka Markic's life and work...🤷
Dana Vaughn Dana Vaughn Member
28 messages
joined Feb 2014
#4417 ·
Does anyone happen to know if it’s safe to drink St. John's Wort tea while taking an antipsychotic?
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
819 messages
joined Dec 2010
#4418 ·
Dana Vaughn said:Does anyone happen to know if it’s safe to drink St. John's Wort tea while taking an antipsychotic?

Sure—provided the Virgin Mary herself brewed the damn thing for you.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Dec 2008
#4419 ·
Larry Lewis said:Sure—provided the Virgin Mary herself brewed the damn thing for you.

Elon!!!🙂😍
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
819 messages
joined Dec 2010
#4420 ·
fadedbear92 said:Elon!!!🙂😍

Oh, please... I’ll behave myself, I promise... since when did you become the local police officer?🙂

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