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Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#1541 ·
swiftowl69 said:Hey everyone.

I really need some input here because I’m completely lost. I married someone who has schizophrenia—something I didn't even realize until about a month ago. For a long time, I couldn't make sense of anything—the erratic behavior, the weird shifts, just a mountain of things I couldn't put a finger on. Then, by pure chance, I found his medication, did a quick search online, and felt like the floor dropped out from under me. He still hasn't realized that I know. He shows no sign of ever coming clean, and frankly, I have no idea how to handle this. Please don't mistake me for being selfish—I'm not just thinking about myself—but I need to know: am I in danger? At first, I just thought he was being stubborn; I came up with all sorts of excuses for his behavior to justify it to myself. But once the truth clicked, I just... shut down. I stopped pushing back. Now, he’s perfectly content because I’ve become this "wonderful," compliant version of myself, and honestly? It scares me. If I hadn't stumbled upon those pills, I would never have suspected a medical issue. He’s brilliant, has a great career, and loves me—but when he gets angry, he retreats into himself. He isn't physically aggressive, but he's verbally intense—he deflects by attacking, insists everything is my fault, tells me I'm the one who isn't "normal" and needs help... he says it all. Before I knew the truth, I actually started believing him. He refuses to acknowledge any issues exist; he just demands constant happiness and positivity, which is impossible. From what I can tell, he’s on high-end meds, though I still don't know how long he's been dealing with this—he's 27 now. I'm trying to piece things together, but there are so many questions and so many gaps in the story.
Thanks.

That's an interesting situation... I see you aren't too panicked, and you shouldn't be... You see, some people just don't want trouble, they just want happiness. What can you do, he's a good soul...

What specific meds is he taking? I ask because it might not necessarily mean he has schizophrenia; it could just be one of the drugs used for other things, like treating phobias, for instance...

Also, I wanted to ask more about his behavior. I get that it's weird, but could you elaborate a bit?
For example, in Tibet, it's perfectly normal to come across someone who doesn't speak. Someone who hasn't uttered a word in years.
That man is respected there as a practitioner of silence, whereas here, he'd be on a cocktail of drugs or locked up, maybe even restrained.😲
It's terrible, creepy, and totally inhuman and selfish...👎
swiftowl69 swiftowl69 Newcomer
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#1542 ·
Hey there.

Thanks for reaching out. He’s currently on Zyprexa. I’ve spent days digging into schizophrenia research—it’s a rabbit hole—and he’s checking almost every box. Most of this weird behavior hits at night. He’ll suddenly decide to wander around the apartment complex at 3:00 AM, just stepping out and popping back in a few minutes later. His movements are incredibly sluggish, his stare is vacant, and he often just gazes into space, smiling as if he’s actually talking to someone—or whatever the term is for "hearing voices." Silence seems to bother him, too. He can't sit still; he’s constantly pacing when we're home, and he’ll laugh even when things are clearly grim... Honestly, there's plenty more to tell, but I'm exhausted, so I'll write a more detailed breakdown tomorrow.
What I really want to know is: is a full recovery actually possible? What are the underlying causes, and does the person even maintain any awareness of themselves or their surroundings?
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#1543 ·
I did a quick Google search, and apparently, that’s an antipsychotic. It's typically prescribed for people dealing with acute psychosis... which doesn't necessarily mean they have schizophrenia, though it could be the case.
It might be worth reaching out to Dorothy; she really knows her stuff about this kind of thing.
From what I understand, if that’s the only medication being taken, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's schizophrenia.

Well, why don't you just ask him directly? It could just be a temporary psychotic episode, which might explain why he seems so emotionally volatile from the meds.
Maybe tell him not to worry too much about it unnecessarily.

Has there been any history of drug use?
Brian Mitchell44 Brian Mitchell44 Member
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#1544 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:Just focus on yourself for a bit and leave the paranoid psychotic alone...

I don't follow? 😕
Is that your idea of helping a friend in crisis?
Brian Mitchell44 Brian Mitchell44 Member
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#1545 ·
swiftowl69 said:Hey there.

Thanks for reaching out. He’s currently on Zyprexa. I’ve spent days digging into schizophrenia research—it’s a rabbit hole—and he’s checking almost every box. Most of this weird behavior hits at night. He’ll suddenly decide to wander around the apartment complex at 3:00 AM, just stepping out and popping back in a few minutes later. His movements are incredibly sluggish, his stare is vacant, and he often just gazes into space, smiling as if he’s actually talking to someone—or whatever the term is for "hearing voices." Silence seems to bother him, too. He can't sit still; he’s constantly pacing when we're home, and he’ll laugh even when things are clearly grim... Honestly, there's plenty more to tell, but I'm exhausted, so I'll write a more detailed breakdown tomorrow.
What I really want to know is: is a full recovery actually possible? What are the underlying causes, and does the person even maintain any awareness of themselves or their surroundings?

Your best bet is to ask him directly. He's the only one who truly knows what's going on inside his own head. 🙂
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#1546 ·
swiftowl69 said:Hey everyone.

I really need some input here because I’m completely lost. I married someone who has schizophrenia—something I didn't even realize until about a month ago. For a long time, I couldn't make sense of anything—the erratic behavior, the weird shifts, just a mountain of things I couldn't put a finger on. Then, by pure chance, I found his medication, did a quick search online, and felt like the floor dropped out from under me. He still hasn't realized that I know. He shows no sign of ever coming clean, and frankly, I have no idea how to handle this. Please don't mistake me for being selfish—I'm not just thinking about myself—but I need to know: am I in danger? At first, I just thought he was being stubborn; I came up with all sorts of excuses for his behavior to justify it to myself. But once the truth clicked, I just... shut down. I stopped pushing back. Now, he’s perfectly content because I’ve become this "wonderful," compliant version of myself, and honestly? It scares me. If I hadn't stumbled upon those pills, I would never have suspected a medical issue. He’s brilliant, has a great career, and loves me—but when he gets angry, he retreats into himself. He isn't physically aggressive, but he's verbally intense—he deflects by attacking, insists everything is my fault, tells me I'm the one who isn't "normal" and needs help... he says it all. Before I knew the truth, I actually started believing him. He refuses to acknowledge any issues exist; he just demands constant happiness and positivity, which is impossible. From what I can tell, he’s on high-end meds, though I still don't know how long he's been dealing with this—he's 27 now. I'm trying to piece things together, but there are so many questions and so many gaps in the story.
Thanks.

Hi!

I've been reading through your posts, and if I could offer some advice, I’d suggest not jumping to conclusions quite yet. First, I have to ask—how can you be so certain it's schizophrenia? Have you seen any discharge papers or documentation from a doctor? Personally, I take Zyprexa, but I don't have schizophrenia. I also take Zoloft, so imagine what that makes me! 🤣
Zyprexa is a medication that can be used in certain cases involving schizophrenia, but I'm not entirely sure, and it's often used in combination with other drugs. So, the fact that your husband is taking that specific medication doesn't necessarily mean he has a schizophrenia diagnosis. And the odd behavior doesn't always point to that either. For instance, my friend Zimer tells me I've been acting pretty strange lately at night—acting erratic or doing silly things—but that could all just stem from other personal stresses that are manifesting that way.
It might be best to try and have an open conversation with your husband. Ask him what's really weighing on him or what he's going through. Since you mentioned he's an intelligent man, perhaps he could give you a rational explanation for both the medication and his recent behavior. 😉 Best wishes,
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#1547 ·
@Brian Mitchell44, if your friend isn't looking for help, you aren't actually helping him by trying to force it on him...
Brian Mitchell44 Brian Mitchell44 Member
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joined Feb 2006
#1548 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:@Brian Mitchell44, if your friend isn't looking for help, you aren't actually helping him by trying to force it on him...

I told him straight—my advice was to go see a doctor. He won't listen.

Only time will tell, I suppose. 🙂
Paul Thomas9 Paul Thomas9 Member
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joined May 2007
#1549 ·
swiftowl69 said:Hey there.

Thanks for reaching out. He’s currently on Zyprexa. I’ve spent days digging into schizophrenia research—it’s a rabbit hole—and he’s checking almost every box. Most of this weird behavior hits at night. He’ll suddenly decide to wander around the apartment complex at 3:00 AM, just stepping out and popping back in a few minutes later. His movements are incredibly sluggish, his stare is vacant, and he often just gazes into space, smiling as if he’s actually talking to someone—or whatever the term is for "hearing voices." Silence seems to bother him, too. He can't sit still; he’s constantly pacing when we're home, and he’ll laugh even when things are clearly grim... Honestly, there's plenty more to tell, but I'm exhausted, so I'll write a more detailed breakdown tomorrow.
What I really want to know is: is a full recovery actually possible? What are the underlying causes, and does the person even maintain any awareness of themselves or their surroundings?

has my exact symptoms! I can't stand the silence either! She's conscious, she just kind of checks out sometimes. It's honestly awful. At least I have you, I'm totally on my own here... peace.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#1550 ·
Schizophrenia isn't some foreign invader—it’s woven into the very fabric of the human experience. We like to label it a "disease" because, frankly, it scares us. By shoving it into a clinical box, we avoid the real work. We hide from it instead of learning how to actually harness it. The truth is, if you can stop being afraid, there’s an incredible potential there. It’s about finding a way to use that expanded perception rather than letting it swallow you whole. If you have the guts, you can tap into a different frequency—perceiving time differently, seeing things others miss, or connecting with perspectives that feel entirely otherworldly. But let's be real: you have to be incredibly brave to go down that road. And yeah, you probably need to be a little bit crazy, too.😉 .

Hey there! How’s it going?
Paul Perez Paul Perez Member
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#1551 ·
Anonymous said:Schizophrenia isn't some foreign invader—it’s woven into the very fabric of the human experience. We like to label it a "disease" because, frankly, it scares us. By shoving it into a clinical box, we avoid the real work. We hide from it instead of learning how to actually harness it. The truth is, if you can stop being afraid, there’s an incredible potential there. It’s about finding a way to use that expanded perception rather than letting it swallow you whole. If you have the guts, you can tap into a different frequency—perceiving time differently, seeing things others miss, or connecting with perspectives that feel entirely otherworldly. But let's be real: you have to be incredibly brave to go down that road. And yeah, you probably need to be a little bit crazy, too.😉 .

Hey there! How’s it going?

Basically, a "disease" is just anything a person feels is hurting them or something they don't know how to use properly.

I’ve got some pretty similar thoughts 🙂 , it's just that with our current understanding of brain function, we can't prove—not even get close to proving—that the hallucinations tied to a specific diagnosis of schizophrenia are actually meaningful messages.

Those are sensitive assumptions that would make a scientist lose all their credibility, which is why nobody in the field dares to say it out loud.😈

But look—this is slightly off-topic, but not really—it's been proven that ancient temples were often built right over spots where psychoactive gases would seep out of the ground. Back then, the "prophetesses" would "hallucinate," and lo and behold, they actually managed to predict the future.

Even though the origins are different, hallucinations triggered by substances can be structurally identical to those caused by schizophrenia. People living with that diagnosis often experience what we might call an "awakened consciousness" naturally, and as for what they actually "see" or "hear," we can only guess.

The real tragedy is that these flashes of insight aren't seen as beneficial to society, and more importantly, they aren't beneficial to the individuals themselves because of how much pressure society puts on them.

Our prejudices toward the things that scare us will always outweigh our desire to actually understand them. That's why I think we won't fully explore schizophrenia—or any other psychosis—for a long time, at least not within our generation...

...and besides, Big Pharma has to make a living somehow... 😁
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#1552 ·
Paul Perez, I honestly think someone with schizophrenia is actually terrified of their own hallucinations.
Look, I’ve spent my whole life experimenting with different substances—I’ve tried pretty much everything—so I feel like I have enough experience to speak on this.

When you really start digging into your own psyche, you realize that what we call "society" is just one single dimension of consciousness. It's a dimension that each of us shapes through our own unique experiences, and you have to mold your thoughts specifically to fit into it if you want to belong.
For someone with schizophrenia, reality becomes relative, which clashes with our standard perception of the world that is entirely conditioned by social factors.
Because of that, every "normal" thought gets twisted. Everything that is accepted as fact can be completely upended in their mind.
In a way, they aren't wrong.

If a person with schizophrenia could totally detach from the social component, they wouldn't have any fears; they could just exist within their hallucinations without any of the pain.
Paul Perez Paul Perez Member
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#1553 ·
up99 says:
If he just completely cut himself off from society, he wouldn't have any fears left, right? He’d just be vibing in his own hallucinations without a single worry or any pain involved.

That is exactly my point.
What you're calling the "social component" is actually a totally fluid concept that shifts depending on the era, much like what people decide counts as "normal thought" at any given time.

It all boils down to context...

It’s just like how we look at physiological changes—like brain structure, for example. You can label them as anomalies if you're looking through the lens of the "statistical majority," or you can see them as simple variations if you're looking through the lens of evolution.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#1554 ·
Paul Perez said:
up99 says:
If he just completely cut himself off from society, he wouldn't have any fears left, right? He’d just be vibing in his own hallucinations without a single worry or any pain involved.

That is exactly my point.
What you're calling the "social component" is actually a totally fluid concept that shifts depending on the era, much like what people decide counts as "normal thought" at any given time.

It all boils down to context...

It’s just like how we look at physiological changes—like brain structure, for example. You can label them as anomalies if you're looking through the lens of the "statistical majority," or you can see them as simple variations if you're looking through the lens of evolution.

And that leads us right to the conclusion that the social component is essentially a byproduct of our egos. Because of that, it's constantly shifting and unstable.
Since it's so fluid, you can't go looking for truth within it, because truth is timeless. What was true a thousand years ago remains true today, and will stay true for the next thousand.
Ultimately, this suggests the ego isn't truth—it's just a distorted reflection of our actual nature.
People with schizophrenia, whether fully or partially, lack an ego.

So, what does that tell us, and why are there so many contradictions?
Why do they endure pain, suffering, and intense hallucinations, while we—who are so certain of our egos—are considered perfectly "normal"?

What even is "normal"? Perhaps what isn't normal wouldn't be considered so if the majority weren't fundamentally abnormal themselves...😁
Paul Perez Paul Perez Member
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#1555 ·
Yeah, it’s nothing new, Noah Sanchez7. What do you think philosophers have been doing for centuries if not just spinning their wheels on this exact stuff?

But honestly, nobody’s actually come up with anything brilliant yet, and we probably won't as long as we're all stuck playing by society's rules just to keep our basic needs met.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#1556 ·
Paul Perez said:
up99 says:
If he just completely cut himself off from society, he wouldn't have any fears left, right? He’d just be vibing in his own hallucinations without a single worry or any pain involved.

That is exactly my point.
What you're calling the "social component" is actually a totally fluid concept that shifts depending on the era, much like what people decide counts as "normal thought" at any given time.

It all boils down to context...

It’s just like how we look at physiological changes—like brain structure, for example. You can label them as anomalies if you're looking through the lens of the "statistical majority," or you can see them as simple variations if you're looking through the lens of evolution.

Exactly.

I wonder how long it will take us to realize the destructive impact of these conclusions, which are so often tied to labeling things as "anomalies."
Everywhere you look, people are shouting "anomaly!", failing to grasp that a human being is a creature with a body—which has likely evolved toward its peak—and a soul that is still in the process of evolving toward perfection.
How much longer until we understand that these perspectives act as anchors, forcing one stage of spiritual evolution to be treated as a final state just because it was diagnosed as an anomaly? Who even gives anyone the right to do that?!!

And then what? Just hand out more drugs to the "patient" to ensure they stay stuck in that initial phase.
They refuse to leave the cave, never knowing what lies outside.!!
Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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#1557 ·
It’s honestly been so fascinating reading through everything under this thread. Who would have thought?!!
I was recently watching a movie on TV starring Russell Crowe. The premise goes like this: he plays this incredibly brilliant guy—a university professor who’s basically a genius at cracking complex codes—so the U.S. military decides they need him for some top-secret project... blah blah, the details don't really matter. Anyway, halfway through the film, we realize—and the protagonist realizes too—that the military wasn't actually recruiting him for a mission; he just imagined the whole thing himself. It turns out he’s actually dealing with schizophrenia. Luckily, he has a wife who sticks by him and helps him through it. Even with his mental struggles, that mathematical brilliance is still there, and he uses his high Intelligence Quotient to spot tiny patterns that help him recognize when his "hallucinations" are about to strike. For instance, a little girl and a friend who appear in his life always stay the exact same age, no matter how many years pass. I mean, it's like he's trying to use pure logic and reason to somehow master his own illness...
What do you all think? Is that actually possible?
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#1558 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:It’s honestly been so fascinating reading through everything under this thread. Who would have thought?!!
I was recently watching a movie on TV starring Russell Crowe. The premise goes like this: he plays this incredibly brilliant guy—a university professor who’s basically a genius at cracking complex codes—so the U.S. military decides they need him for some top-secret project... blah blah, the details don't really matter. Anyway, halfway through the film, we realize—and the protagonist realizes too—that the military wasn't actually recruiting him for a mission; he just imagined the whole thing himself. It turns out he’s actually dealing with schizophrenia. Luckily, he has a wife who sticks by him and helps him through it. Even with his mental struggles, that mathematical brilliance is still there, and he uses his high Intelligence Quotient to spot tiny patterns that help him recognize when his "hallucinations" are about to strike. For instance, a little girl and a friend who appear in his life always stay the exact same age, no matter how many years pass. I mean, it's like he's trying to use pure logic and reason to somehow master his own illness...
What do you all think? Is that actually possible?

"A Beautiful Mind" is basically... well. Every single moment I've spent on this forum has been dedicated to proving that it is possible!!!
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
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joined Jun 2011
#1559 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:It’s honestly been so fascinating reading through everything under this thread. Who would have thought?!!
I was recently watching a movie on TV starring Russell Crowe. The premise goes like this: he plays this incredibly brilliant guy—a university professor who’s basically a genius at cracking complex codes—so the U.S. military decides they need him for some top-secret project... blah blah, the details don't really matter. Anyway, halfway through the film, we realize—and the protagonist realizes too—that the military wasn't actually recruiting him for a mission; he just imagined the whole thing himself. It turns out he’s actually dealing with schizophrenia. Luckily, he has a wife who sticks by him and helps him through it. Even with his mental struggles, that mathematical brilliance is still there, and he uses his high Intelligence Quotient to spot tiny patterns that help him recognize when his "hallucinations" are about to strike. For instance, a little girl and a friend who appear in his life always stay the exact same age, no matter how many years pass. I mean, it's like he's trying to use pure logic and reason to somehow master his own illness...
What do you all think? Is that actually possible?

That particular film was actually based on true events.
So, yes, it’s certainly possible. It just seems like his hallucinations continued, but he simply stopped perceiving them as separate from reality.
Richard Murphy6 Richard Murphy6 Active Member
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#1560 ·
brightridge59 said:That particular film was actually based on true events.
So, yes, it’s certainly possible. It just seems like his hallucinations continued, but he simply stopped perceiving them as separate from reality.

I guess we're just waiting for our friend here to chime in, since they've got schizoaffective disorder rather than just schizophrenia.

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