Posts by mistybear4

Anthony Rodriguez58 said:mistybear4, can you explain the whole searing thing too?👋

I honestly don't know, I'm no culinary expert and I was just following a recipe, but my takeaway seems to be that if you're cooking meat, you might as well throw it on the grill instead of using a skillet... though if you do use a pan, it’s probably better to just sear it quickly rather than letting it simmer away.🙂

Joseph Lee3 said:Oh, Mac, you’re being hilarious, acting like one of those dietary preachers you see in old movies, traveling in some beat-up trailer and shouting into a microphone. 😂
I mean, most of what you say is actually spot on, even if you deliver it with that particular sense of humor.
However, I have to disagree with your claim that people aren't getting enough protein these days; in developed nations like the US, it's actually quite the opposite. People's bodies are absolutely loaded with proteins and fats because everything they eat is derived from meat and animal products.

Haha, I guess I just try to break all this down using plain, everyday language... 🙂

protein = proteins
proteins = amino acids (23)
essential = 9 (the body can't make them, so we have to get them from food)
all 9 essential amino acids = meat, eggs, whey, soy
meat = high in fat (the kind you don't need, or rather, the harmful kind)
eggs = high cholesterol—the yolk (unnecessary and harmful), so sticking to egg whites is fine
soy protein = 0 cholesterol, 0 fat—BINGO !!!

The body needs protein, and requirements are calculated based on BMI... and about 1/3 of that number should come from plant-based proteins. 🙂

Honestly, the smartest thing you can do for your health is to swap out your protein source (meat, dairy, or eggs) for soy protein at least once a day; your body will end up with less cholesterol and saturated fat, and more pure, high-quality protein.

Proteins exist to maintain muscle mass. It is vital to hold onto that muscle as you age. Just look at people in their 70s or 80s—they're often thin, hunched over, and struggling to move. If you lose your muscle mass, carrying your own skeleton becomes an uphill battle.

Everyone knows about osteoporosis, which gets talked about constantly, but pretty soon you'll be hearing a new term: SARCOPENIA—the loss of muscle mass.

The culprits? TOO LITTLE PROTEIN AND NOT ENOUGH MOVEMENT. 😢

🙂

"Have you ever actually heard the terms 'freedom of choice' or 'having a different opinion'?"

Of course I have, though lately it feels like I'm just standing my ground against those who seem to take offense whenever I exercise my own right to choose—especially when my views aren't built on nothing but hearsay and tired old prejudices... 🙂

"I plan on sticking to fresh, whole foods and just supplementing with some vitamins and minerals, rather than relying on processed protein powders from plastic pouches or other shake products."

That sounds great in theory, but let’s be real: we both know there isn't a single meal out there that packs in every single vitamin and mineral you need in the right amounts... that's just a biological fact.
And if you're already looking to supplement, you might as well go with 100% natural proteins—not that I'm trying to sell you anything—but synthetic stuff just doesn't carry the same punch as the real thing. 🙂

PS: My offer to run a free analysis of your body composition and metabolism is still on the table, regardless of which vitamins you settle on or how you decide to manage your daily calories... I'll provide the necessary charts with lists of "standard" foods so you can mix and match however you like. 🙂

rustymoose54 said:It’s not like I was actually that rattled by it,

rather, I just wanted to flex my title 🙂 😎

especially since he went around calling all those master's students actual scientists, so whatever.

For the record, I'm still far from being one myself.

Haha, your little title doesn't move the needle for me; you'd have better luck bragging about what you're waving around instead... 🙂 😁

PS: Don't go grasping at straws here; there are plenty of scientists out there (and I wasn't even talking about her)... 😎

Kumek said:Look, mistybear4, I appreciate the self-awareness, really, it keeps us from being too harsh on you, but your logic here just doesn't hold water:

"The energy problem is also tied to calorie intake, so if we can get the same amount of energy from food that has fewer calories, then that's definitely the way to go... and a slice of bread is about 150 calories."

If food has more calories, it produces more energy.
Food with fewer calories can only produce less energy; it can't possibly produce the same amount—that’s literally why we call them "low-calorie."

Fair enough, my brain is starting to fog over and I completely missed the point of what I was actually trying to say... which is that since we have to consume calories for energy anyway, we might as well pay attention to the nutritional profile of what we're eating, making sure we pick up essential nutrients like vitamins, minerals, fiber, proteins, and unsaturated fats instead of just loading up on "empty calories" from a piece of white bread. 🙂

I was just wondering if the doctors running their own private practices are joining the strike too? 😕

Sarah Gomez52 said:It’s like nobody gets how this works—chemists, biologists, nutritionists, food scientists... they might as well be talking to a wall. Apparently, you need to be a structural engineer to get any real dietary advice around here.🙂 🙄 🙄 🙄

I honestly can't wrap my head around what kind of food could actually help you. 😕

Have you tried just sucking on a straw? 👍 😁

Frank Alvarez8 said:The guy actually worked at MERCK back when he was still thinking straight, helping them develop an analytical test to measure blood NO levels—something that’s been sitting in American labs as a routine screening for five years now.😎

Look, if you want to play the expert, go ahead and dig into it, but things have moved way past that in the last five years unless you think we're all standing still. 😕

But honestly, the most important thing is that you’re still clinging to your "sanity," though I suppose you might eventually decide he’s lost it too. 😁

Megan Morales5 said:It’s a PDF document and I really don't feel like messing around with copying everything here, but—either you didn't read the whole thing or you're just hoping I didn't—it clearly states that we're talking about soy (genetically modified), which is exactly what those Herbalife products contain. If you want to claim those specific products were pulled from the market because they're harmful (though, honestly, a company selling "healthy" goods shouldn't even be allowed to create or sell something like that in the first place!), you can easily back that up with a link.

So, how does a massive multi-national corporation with more money than sense manage to dump a genetically engineered product onto the market despite all that supposedly strict 😁 oversight, and somehow "fail to notice" what they're actually selling?
It's all just fairy tales for children. If you enjoy that style of communication so much, why don't you go ahead and run the show yourself? While you're busy playing with assumptions, I'll stick to reading official reports.

I have no intention of getting into a back-and-forth with you over this; you interpret facts your way and I interpret them mine. I already gave you my answer regarding that case, and I honestly don't understand what you're trying to lecture me on now.

"it clearly states that we're talking about soy (genetically modified) and that's exactly what those Herbalife products contain"

Are you blind, or do you just need a new prescription? (Maybe grab some glasses.)
In that document, next to every product mentioned, it specifies exactly what the GM component is, whether it involves soy or not ("GM ingredient: GM soya"), whereas for the two products you brought up, it doesn't say that; instead, they explicitly state the fact that they were pulled from the market ("note: the produced announced in august 2004 that the company stopped producing this product").

Your argument centers on GM soy, which is irrelevant here and clearly stated in the report, so your point isn't actually accurate... though I suppose your "official reports" are quite something. 😁

PS: I'll respect any argument, but maybe learn how to actually interpret one first. 🙂

Frank Alvarez8 said:Oops, my bad—you actually work for that pharmaceutical industry you despise so much! How are you even going to stomach that? You've probably already been converted by those Herbalife preachers by now...

As for meeting you? I've dealt with enough contractors to last a lifetime, thanks!

Haha, my mistake, he’s actually part of the scientific research team at Herbalife, and he signed a lifetime contract because he finally "realized" what Herbalife is all about... 🙂

He basically took his Nobel Prize-winning research and funneled it into a single product designed to shield heart patients from heart attacks, which is hitting the US market later this year—and since cardiovascular disease accounts for nearly half of all deaths globally, once this goes mainstream, we're looking at a total health revolution... 🙂

http://www.weightlossline.com/heart/niteworks.html

Please, go ahead and find me another product endorsed by a Nobel laureate... 😕

rustymoose54 said:driftinggull13 has a PhD in chemistry. I do too.

what they said about carbohydrates—that all the complex carbs we eat eventually break down into glucose that enters the bloodstream—is spot on.

to put it simply:

if you drink coffee sweetened with regular sugar, you're getting fructose and glucose from the sucrose, and that glucose heads straight into your blood. if you eat something starchy, like a slice of sourdough, that starch breaks down into glucose. drink milk, and the lactose turns into glucose (and galactose). eat an apple, and you're back to glucose and fructose again.

all that glucose triggers a response from a healthy pancreas, which releases insulin—the hormone that lets glucose enter your cells to be burned for energy. if it isn't used for fuel, it just gets stored as fat.

claiming that bread is useless or harmful just because it provides glucose and triggers an insulin response is pretty misguided. we all need energy, even when we're sleeping and barely moving. it really just comes down to how much energy, or food, we actually need based on how much we burn.

you can still gain weight eating unrefined foods (like brown sugar or whole grain bread) if your total calorie intake exceeds what you burn.

fine, I’ve already admitted my mistake (is there anyone else here actually self-critical? .. 😁 )

the energy issue is also tied to calories, and if we can get the same amount of energy from food that's lower in calories, that’s obviously the better way to go... a single slice of toast is roughly 150 calories.. 😕

I know that the carbs in our food have to be digested first, after which they become GLUCOSE in the blood, traveling to muscle cells to be stored in "tanks"—basically fuel reservoirs. those stored supplies in the muscle cells are called glycogen.
during the first 20 minutes of exercise, we're burning through carbohydrates. it's only after that 20-minute mark that both carbs and fats start being utilized together.
we can't burn fat on its own; without carbohydrates, we can't burn fat.
when someone hits a wall or collapses, it means they've completely run out of carbohydrates (the tank is totally empty).

it's vital to learn how to choose QUALITY CARBOHYDRATES, and telling someone it doesn't matter how they get their glucose isn't exactly doing them any favors... 🙂

ps: thanks for the simplified breakdown, it might actually help some people.. 🙂

"Your body doesn't care if that glucose comes from refined sugar, white flour, or an apple. Do you two actually grasp that? "

Look, I was moving too fast to catch the trap in your statement... you were putting all the emphasis on the word GLUCOSE, weren't you? 😁
I'm no chemist, but certain claims just rub me the wrong way—like this comparison you made between white flour and an apple, which I reacted to a bit too quickly. 🙂

As for McDonald's, the issue there is how they engineer specific habits in people, really unhealthy ones; what irritates me most is how they use those polished tactics—the clowns, the birthday parties—to hook kids so they can raise them to be lifelong customers, and someone stuck with a diet centered around McDonald's is basically living on borrowed time. 😠

Megan Morales5 said:If Herbalife had any actual response to this official report, they would have broken their silence ages ago—it's specifically the 😁 shake that's on the blacklist. But since your company has never messed with GM soy, I suppose you don't have much to worry about.

And while we're at it, why don't you send me a link proving I'm a deviant so we can clear that off my schedule too?😁

I don't claim to have all the answers, but I’ve always appreciated this kind of dialogue—keeping things strictly to the facts... 🙂
The fact is, those "instant peach-mango drink" and "instant soup" items aren't classified as shakes, and there's no mention of soy in there, otherwise it would be noted just like in the other reports... 😁
Furthermore, the report states the product was pulled from the market immediately, though we can only speculate on how they actually caught it... 🙄

From what I gather, that specific shake is one of the most heavily regulated products on the planet, mainly because it's marketed as a meal replacement, which triggers some incredibly high standards...
I also know there was a massive uproar here in America regarding GM products, but every single item passed the strictest inspections and everything turned out fine... 🙂

Don't sweat it; it wasn't explicitly stated anywhere, it was just an assumption on my part... 😁

Aaron Gonzalez4 said:That’s exactly it—they market that bread to people looking to cut back on "energy intake" so those monosaccharides don't just end up getting stored as fat (so you "don't get fat"), though I suppose you'd need a whole damn pie chart to actually visualize how that works. 😵

haha, so what exactly are you eating to stay so "inspired"—if we can even call it being smart? 😕 😁

Go ahead, lay it out for me; your thought process is a complete mystery to me... 😁

rustymoose54 said:Sorry, but what kind of response is that? It’s definitely not based on any actual arguments. ☕

I get it, really, but Sandra Hayes88 laid everything out perfectly in her own thread—she broke down all the different types of carbs so clearly that he could have actually read it and learned something, which might have prevented him from making such a ridiculous comment in the first place, you know? I was just letting him know he missed the point, so maybe he should try giving it another read. 😉

"Your body doesn't care if you get your glucose from refined sugar, white flour, or an apple. Do you two even grasp that concept? "

it seems like you're completely lost here.. 😁

"Sure, extra sugar turns into fat as stored energy, and then what? You get fat? Just eat less and move more."

are you working as a nutrition consultant at McDonald's??? ... 😕
that’s basically their whole pitch—eat McDonald's, leave the car at home, go for a run, and you'll be fine... 😁 👎

"That whole-grain bread thing works because the fiber can't be digested, so it actually has a lower net caloric value. It makes you feel full since your stomach is physically distended, but provides less actual energy to the system—what they call 'bulk feed' in veterinary medicine."

bravo, maybe one day you'll actually stumble upon a logical conclusion.. 🙂
you're right that plant fibers swell in the stomach and create volume, which reduces the urge to overeat.. but at least whole-grain bread actually HAS those fibers, whereas white bread has zero... so there's no nutritional benefit to it from an energy standpoint; why bother just to fill your gut?

ps: I'm eating bread right now, but I went through phases for a year or two where I didn't touch a single crumb, and I felt great. Everything else is just habit or being broke, since bread is the cheapest fuel you can buy.. 🙂

I know a woman who went through hell dealing with this exact mess, but she finally figured it all out... we're heading to the States this Monday, so once we're back, I can introduce you. Maybe she can walk you through it herself, since she was actually the one who first opened my eyes to the whole thing.. 🙂

ps: what you eat plays a massive role here too.. 😎

Melissa Cruz2 said:this guy's whole constant snacking thing is honestly giving me liver issues🙄

well, that’s actually the endgame, isn't it? you wreck their liver first and then swoop in to "fix" it... 😁 😁 😁

Megan Morales5 said:I'm not sure which company you were talking about, but products labeled as Herbalife contain genetically modified soy, and you can find that info online if you look.

Well, you can find all sorts of things on the internet, including claims that you're a certain type of person, but that doesn't make it true, does it? ... 😉

Frank Alvarez8 said:What exactly is there to see in America when their farms are scattered all over the globe?😁

Just rows of withered, dying pests sitting next to patches of healthy, non-GM soy, I suppose.😁 😁 😁

I don't really have any interest in touring soybean plantations; I'll get around to that once I'm actually flush with cash, but for now, I'm perfectly content just learning about a Nobel laureate like Dr. Luis Ignarro and spending some time in his orbit... 👍

http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laure...o-autobio.html

http://www.nrg-fit.com/luis_ignnaro.asp

PS: You'll probably be wishing you had the chance to meet him too. 😁