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I was absolutely certain that once I posted my candidacy and laid out the rules, it would trigger an absolute landslide of enthusiasm regarding this topic.😕
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Points marked with an asterisk indicate changes made relative to the current Rulebook.
In my view, the major discrepancies are quite substantial, which means we still need to iron out several minor errors caused by simply copying over the current regulations—errors that are undoubtedly present.
With the publication of these rules, I am officially throwing my hat in the ring to lead the 2013 championship.
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If a competitor fails to submit a new prediction or misses the official deadline, the "Joker" rule kicks in automatically. Look, the rules are clear: players are required to submit a fresh prediction for every single race. However, to account for life getting in the way, everyone is allotted five "Jokers" per season. These act as an automatic safety net; if you miss a deadline, a Joker is triggered, and your last official prediction will be used for that race. Once you’ve burned through all five Jokers, you’re effectively out of the running. From that point on, you'll face disqualification for every subsequent race, meaning you won't earn any points. If you want to get back in the game after that happens, you'll have to submit a new prediction to reset your status. It's straightforward, but you really need to stay on top of it.
If a driver fails to submit a new forecast for three consecutive races, their teammate has the authority to kick them out of the team if they choose to do so. Unless that driver explicitly states otherwise, they'll be tossed straight into a newly formed squad called "The Outcasts."

Participants are strictly required to post their predictions using only the specific username they used when entering the competition. The only exception to this rule is if an administrator has stepped in to modify a handle for administrative reasons. Otherwise, any participant who has been banned will be treated as a passive observer—essentially being lumped in with those who simply haven't logged into the forum for a while.

Drivers are free to jump from one team to another whenever they please. However, let’s be clear about how the math works during a transfer: you don't get to take your former team's constructor points with you. Those stay behind. Your individual driver points? Those stay yours. It’s the same deal if a driver gets kicked to the curb. From a structural standpoint, a team's points tally only starts accumulating from the moment a new squad is officially formed. Now, don't confuse a rebranding with a new entity—changing a team's name doesn't reset the scoreboard. Under the current rules, a team is allowed two name changes during the season, though they can swap names as often as they want before the season actually kicks off.

If you pick a driver for your predictions who doesn't actually show up on the official FIA results, don't expect to see any points credited to your score. It’s that simple. Furthermore, if you fail to list certain drivers in your ranking, you won't receive points for them—I don't care how "logical" or "obvious" it seems that a specific driver was missing from your list. We calculate everything strictly based on the exact positions you assign to each driver. If you make a typo and write down the wrong number, your ranking will be processed exactly as you wrote it, errors and all. If you leave a position blank, you aren't getting points for it. Period.
If you decide to list the same position or driver more than once, don't expect any points for those entries—they simply won't count. Similarly, if you nominate more drivers than what would actually take the starting grid under normal racing conditions, you aren't going to see any points for those extra names. As for any drivers where you haven't specified a finishing position, we’re treating them as a DNF. And just to be clear: if you submit an entire ranking without including any position numbers at all, we will treat that as a standings list with zero DNFs.

Rule number 12: Any blatant and intentional copying of someone else's predictions—regardless of whether the "correct" forecast eventually comes out right or not—will be viewed as a direct attempt to incite chaos and widespread arguments within the competition. Such behavior will result in an automatic disqualification lasting two or more races. This rule specifically targets anyone caught blatantly copy-pasting another person's picks or submitting entries that are nearly identical, specifically those where at least 75% of the drivers are placed in the exact same positions.

Race results are tallied based strictly on what the FIA broadcasts immediately following the checkered flag—whether that’s the live TV feed or those first unofficial, uncorrected listings posted on the official website. Once those numbers are out there, any subsequent corrections made by the FIA are essentially irrelevant to our calculations. We don't play follow-the-leader with their late adjustments. When it comes to determining who actually dropped out, we look solely at those initial FIA standings. If a driver is explicitly flagged as a DNF, NC, or Ret on the official site, they count as having retired. Any other designation doesn't qualify as a DNF under this system. Furthermore, per the FIA Rulebook, a driver is officially considered to have retired if they complete less than 90% of the total race distance. And let's be clear: the total distance is dictated entirely by the number of laps the FIA decides to run, whether they stick to the standard plan or make an extraordinary call mid-race.
Drivers who fail to make the grid during qualifying won't be treated as a DNS unless they actually miss the race start. If they miss qualifying but the FIA grants them a special dispensation to compete, they aren't categorized as a DNS in the predictions. Instead, they’re treated just like any other driver who qualified normally—meaning they have the full opportunity to either finish in scoring positions or end up as a DNF.

14. In the event that a controversial situation arises during the competition that isn't explicitly covered by this Rulebook, or if the language here proves to be ambiguous or incomplete, the Race Director holds the final authority to settle the matter. This Rulebook goes into effect upon its posting in the Championship rules and results section. It can only be amended through specific updates if it becomes absolutely necessary to ensure the smooth operation of the competition moving forward.

15. Should the moderators of this subforum decide that the Race Director has made an unsound ruling regarding a dispute, a prediction rewrite, or an amendment to the Rulebook, they reserve the right to overturn it. In such cases, all F1 subforum moderators will hold a vote, and the decision will be determined by a majority consensus.
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The Formula 1 championship is an open-ended competition where players and teams can sign up at any point throughout the entire season.
To be considered officially registered on a team, you are required to submit a post explicitly stating which squad you are representing. No exceptions.
You can't just jump into an existing team whenever you feel like it. Unless you get the green light from at least one player who was part of that squad last season, you aren't getting in. It’s common sense—you can't just bypass the people who actually put in the work to build the roster.
It’s structured around two-driver teams, where they track both the individual driver standings and the constructors' championship separately.
If you don't sign up to be part of the squad, don't expect to see any credit for the team portion of the competition. It’s that simple.
To be considered an official participant, you have to actually sign up for the competition and make sure your prediction is submitted before the deadline hits. No exceptions.
The official results and standings are released by the director, and once the moderator posts them on the first page of this thread, they are considered final.
Listen, let me make this crystal clear so there’s no confusion later: all competitors must submit their predictions and entries exclusively within this specific thread to be part of the championship. If you try to send your picks or sign up in any other thread, don't bother—they won't count. It’s as simple as that. Stick to the rules, or you're out.

The championship operates under a specific set of rules regarding how you submit your entries. Essentially, you need to publish your predicted finishing order for the entire starting grid, along with your pick for the driver who will secure the fastest lap. You can post these predictions anytime once the previous deadline has passed, provided they are submitted no later than 10 minutes before lights out. This window remains consistent for every single race in the season. To be crystal clear: if a race is scheduled for 2:00 PM and you get your prediction in at 1:50 PM, it counts for that race. However, if you miss that window and submit it at 1:51 PM or any time after, your entry won't apply to the current race—it will instead roll over to the next one.
Participants are free to tweak their predictions or submit entirely new ones as many times as they want right up until the deadline hits. Just keep in mind that we only care about the very last version you submit—that's the one that counts.

The points system works like this:
The points system remains strictly aligned with the current Formula 1 standard: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1. These honors are awarded to the top ten finishers who manage to secure the highest number of secondary points during each race.
The points system used to award scoring at every single race follows this specific structure:
Groups 1 through 3 – 5 points plus an extra 1.
Group 4-10 – 3 points + 1 bonus
Group 11-16 – 2 points + 2
Group 17-24 – 1 point + 2
DNS Group – 3 points
DNS Group - 3 points
Fastest Lap – 5 points

Points are awarded based on the categories outlined in Section 3 of the Rulebook. Additional points for specific finishing positions are distributed across two separate groups:
Group 1: positions 1-3, 4-10 – 1 point per position.
Group 2: Positions 11-16 and 17-24 earn 2 points each.
Extra points aren't being awarded to the other groups.

The criteria used to determine the race order are as follows:
It’s pretty simple: the superior driver is the one who consistently racks up those extra points from secondary finishes. It's about that cumulative strength.
In the event that we end up with a tie after the first step, the tiebreaker should clearly favor the player who managed to hit more precise positions. It’s common sense—accuracy ought to be the deciding factor when the scores are level.
In the event of a tie following step B, the tiebreaker goes to the player who managed to secure more additional points.
d) In the event that we end up with a tie after step c), the tiebreaker should favor the player who holds the higher cumulative score from first-place finishes.
In the event of a tie following step d), the advantage goes to the player with the higher combined score from the 1st and 2nd place finishes—and the same logic applies when you factor in 3rd place, or any subsequent positions down the line.
In the event of a tie following step E, the advantage goes to the player who submitted their updated prediction first. If neither player has provided an updated forecast, the win defaults to whoever submitted their original prediction earliest. Furthermore, if one player fails to submit any updated prediction at all, the victory is automatically awarded to their opponent.

The criteria for determining the final individual standings are as follows:
It’s simple math: you go with the driver who racks up more primary points. That’s how you measure true dominance.
In the event that we end up with a tie following the criteria in section A, the deciding factor should clearly go to the driver with the higher number of wins.
In the event that we end up with a tie after step B, the tiebreaker should favor the driver who holds more countback points.
In the event that we end up with a tie after step C, the deciding factor should be whoever holds the upper hand in their head-to-head matchup. It’s common sense, really. If two drivers are deadlocked on points, you look at how they performed against one another; that's the only logical way to break the stalemate.
In the event that we end up with a tie following step D, the tiebreaker should favor the driver with more high-level finishes—meaning whoever boasts a higher number of podiums or top-three placements, and so on.

The criteria for determining the final standings in the Constructor Championship are as follows:
It’s a simple matter of logic: the superior team is the one that racks up more primary points. It isn't complicated.
In the event that we end up with a tie following scenario A, the tiebreaker should clearly favor the team with the higher number of wins.
In the event that we end up with a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be whichever team holds the higher number of tie-breaker points.
d) If there's a tie following step c), the advantage goes to the team with more higher-tier finishes—meaning more second-place spots, then third-place, and so on.

7. Should an additional team join the Formula 1 championship before or during the season, bringing the total driver count up to 26, the final two groups will be adjusted to 11-17 and 18-26. Conversely, if a team exits the sport, dropping the number of drivers to 22, those last two groups shift to 11-16 and 17-22. Any changes to these scoring tiers under this rule take effect immediately and automatically once the FIA or a team officially announces an entry or a withdrawal from one or all Formula 1 races. This also applies if such a decision is made before free practice and the team fails to show up for Friday's sessions. To be clear, this specific article won't be triggered by random absences due to other issues—like running out of spare parts or a driver getting injured—where a team or driver misses practice, qualifying, or the race itself.
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Christian Williams61 said:Looks like we're on the same page.
I didn't even see where your offer was until just now, sorry. 😲 🤷

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Räikkönen-Romain Grosjean & Pedro de la Rosa
Vettel-Alonso
Lewis Hamilton & Nico Rosberg
-Vettel
Daniel Ricciardo & Pastor Maldonado-Vergne & Maldonado
Kamui Kobayashi-Sergio Pérez
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Christian Williams61 said:Räikkönen & Romain Grosjean & Pedro de la Rosa
Vettel-Alonso
Hamilton-Vettel
Ricciardo-Vergne
Kobayashi-Perez

Is this somehow identical to the offer I made previously, or what?
Alright, fine, let's call it almost identical!
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Honestly, I’m genuinely relieved to see Edward Howard2 back in top form.
If my memory serves me right, there was a period where he could barely hold things together.
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If you really don't want to be part of something, why on earth do you have to tear it down to the very roots?
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To be perfectly honest, I have zero interest in taking over the leadership role, but I am definitely putting my hand up for the assistant position—specifically, the one responsible for tallying the points. I would hate to see this championship fall through just because we can't settle on a leader, even if I were forced to step up myself. That said, I strongly suggest we stick with Paska for the lead, provided he’s still willing to do it. If you look past a few controversial moments here and there, our cooperation has actually been quite solid.
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Raikkonen and Grosjean
Vettel and Alonso
Maldonado and Senna
Ricciardo and Vergne
Kobayashi and Perez
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stormybadger8 said:Bump 😳

Terry Carter2, if you actually want in, you're the first reserve on the list. You can play, so just put together an offer for the next round since you're taking over Patina's pairings.
Please get it done by the deadline (Tuesday at midnight).

Since you're playing against me, do me a favor and stick to the deadline. My internet connection is absolute garbage right now; I’ve got this prepaid mobile data and who knows when it'll quit on me. It’ll probably die mid-sentence and leave me broke.

Look, just let me know one way or the other if you're playing or not.
If you're out, the people below you on the list move up.

Even though I can barely remember the rules, I think I'll give it a shot!
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Matthew Young35 said:They are similar. However, I believe my proposal is superior because it captures forecasts with much greater precision.
His suggestion relies on certain rounding methods that simply aren't necessary.

The only adjustment I would consider in my model is perhaps capping the points awarded for misses at 5, 6, or 7. Why? Because if you pick a driver who crashes out in the very first lap to win, you lose 24 points instantly. You're left with zero chance of recovery, regardless of how accurate your overall forecast was. Or what happens if a driver fails to even start? Or some other outlier scenario...

In the current calculation, almost everyone would end up with 15 to 20 points for picking Jenson Button, making them look worse than someone who had a much weaker forecast but correctly predicted a DNF for him.

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It’s essentially the same principle as statistics: you have to filter out the extreme outliers.

I can't get behind that suggestion. If a top-tier driver drops out or finishes dead last, it makes sense that those who predicted a DNF should earn fewer points than those who expected a win. Otherwise, you end up in a situation where everyone who picked that driver for a high finish gets the exact same amount of points whether they guessed 1st or 10th. To me, that feels inherently unfair!
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William Bennett53 said:Reading this just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. 😍

Perhaps my tea was a bit too hot... 😁

I’m out here sowing seeds of love and kindness... (what can I say, it's just who I am)
So it’s no wonder you all have gone soft on me!
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Regarding the point calculations, I’m still happy to step up and handle things just like I have in the past. In fact, I’m more than willing to adopt a new scoring system, provided we all agree that it's actually fair!
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Maybe we should try running that calculation in parallel at the same time, just to see how it actually plays out!
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Matthew Young35 said:Here is a suggestion for refining the scoring criteria. I’m proposing that we factor in any successful PP and FL as a -5 point penalty.

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Actually, I have an even more granular idea involving starting grid positions and fastest lap rankings, but honestly, that would be absolute madness.

That is actually the only logical way to look at this!
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stormybadger8 said:We actually debated this before and decided that DNFs, DNQs, pole positions, and fastest laps aren't part of Matthew Young35's criteria.
Basically, you just count them as they are. If 22 drivers finish, the second DNF is effectively 23rd, and the first DNF is 24th.
Theoretically, you could include pole positions and fastest laps without worrying, even if it makes zero sense.

But seriously, don't stress about this for every single prediction, for crying out loud.🤣
It would be an insane amount of work to calculate, half the players wouldn't even understand why someone scored higher or lower, and checking all those predictions would be a total nightmare.😬
That specific criterion is just there to break ties when everyone else fails.😳

Even Matthew Young35's criterion failed us once.
Believe it or not, we had two predictions that were identical by every single metric, including his. That’s why we had to bring in that final tiebreaker based on who submitted their entry first.
So yeah, even Matthew Young35's system isn't perfect or foolproof.😬

So, it hasn't really been refined enough to serve as the primary scoring metric for the types of predictions we’re currently making!
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You can run the numbers, sure, but I honestly feel like the rulebook hasn't been fully ironed out yet! I’m talking about the hierarchy—how we rank DNFs versus DNQs, and where things like Pole Positions or Fastest Laps actually fit into the equation. Which group takes precedence, and what's the logic behind how it all...
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Honestly, I’ve been preaching this for a while now: we need to push for a much higher level of automation across the entire competition!
I don't have anything against getting rid of Bjesomar's criteria; in fact, I’m all for it if it means making the management of this whole thing simpler and more streamlined. However, the newly submitted prediction should take precedence over the joker prediction, even if the latter was sent in first.
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