Posts by Patrick Martin

Topic: Deserts, jungles, steppes, and those lonely, empty wastelands mentioned in song titles, lyrics, or visual vibes (music videos, or even just a scene from a movie or show where the track sets the mood) vol. 3.

01. Pink Floyd - Heart Meat, Pig Meat (from the movie Zabriskie Point)

02. Tina Turner - WE don't need Another Hero (from the movie Mad Max 3)

03. Bruce Springsteen - Badlands

04. Running Wild - desert Rose

05. Shakira - Whenever, Wherever

06. Eric Serra - Little light of Love

07. Tinariwen - Sastanaqqam (a track dedicated to the desert - Tenere in Tuareg)

08. Linkin park - in The end

09. Blue Pearl - Naked in The Rain

Subject: Deserts, jungles, plains, and those lonely stretches of nothingness mentioned in song titles, lyrics, or just the whole vibe—you know, music videos or even just a killer scene in a movie where the track sets the mood.

1a. Tinariwen - Nannuflay
1b. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Run through the Jungle
1c. Midnight Oil - Beds are burning
2a. Madonna - Frozen
2b. Men At Work - Down Under
2c. Sting - Desert Rose
3. Hans-Joachim Roedelius - Durch die Wüste
4. ZZ Top - I Gotsta Get Paid

Topic: Drummers with actual charisma

01. Vanilla Fudge - Keep Me Hangin' On (Carmine Appice)
02. Dave Grohl - Nirvana - Smells like Teen Spirit
03. Keith Moon - The Who - Who Are You

Justin Richardson7 said:No matter how much our dear friend Patrick Martin loses his cool.

Look, I'm not even getting worked up here. We're just having a regular discussion. You've got plenty of points, honestly, but...

...but for crying out loud, the whole movie takes place over just a few days. It doesn't spoon-feed us anything about what happened right before those days (or after), you know? We're just picking up on hints through their dialogue. Basically, we have to piece the picture together ourselves.

Based on what they actually show on screen, I can't exactly conclude this is some perfect, harmonious family unit. There’s a massive amount of confusion going on, and when things are that messy, it's damn near impossible to pin down anyone's true character. People act totally warped under that kind of pressure. And the father? He's clearly spiraling through some kind of mid-life breakdown.

So yeah, all this insistence from you guys on sticking to "ideals" is really starting to grate on my nerves.

At the end of the day, it's basically just a lot of nothing.

Justin Richardson7 said:Am I really the bad guy here? Seriously?
Honestly, you guys have completely lost the plot. Seriously.

I’d honestly put my money on the line if we could just sit down and actually talk about this one movie, but instead... everyone just loses their minds over nothing. Seriously.
Help me out here—look, everything you’re saying makes sense, really, but man, you are way too deep in this movie. You’ve totally lost touch with reality. It’s like you’re living in some scripted drama where you just assume everyone else is out to get you. You honestly think people are acting out of pure malice? Give me a break.

Look, don't be so literal about it. You’re basically drinking from a firehose when you shouldn't even be touching the tap. I get the feeling you're just dumping every single failure of recent American cinema onto this one movie, and honestly? That's a bit much. 🤷

Look, man, I’m just out here defending my ground. I don't care what anyone says—I honestly think this movie is actually worth watching.

You still haven't actually given me a straight answer as to why you won't sit down and watch American movies... yet you’re all smiles the second they start promoting the good old ways. It's wild.

Look, I don't even bother watching them because, honestly? The quality just isn't there. It’s amateur hour. If you want my take, Comic Sans and that one other font have been the only things worth looking at lately. Everything else is just trash. 🤷

I honestly think we need to start making movies like this specifically for the international market. Seriously, I’m reaching my breaking point with our local crowd—they just don't get it anymore. It's exhausting.

Justin Richardson7 said:If things aren't clear here, it's because they're throwing contradictory views at you: one side thinks the movie is about Julia finding her freedom, while the other sees it as an allusion to family being everything. All this misinterpretation happens precisely because the film is a mess—it feels like even the director isn't quite sure what she’s trying to say with this thing.

But look, my dear friend, you're acting like the director didn't have a script laid out from A to Z, and honestly, I just can't buy that, nor do I want to waste my energy arguing it.

I truly believe her intention was just to show the inner turmoil of a young woman during a specific stage of growing up. And personally? I think she nailed it. I actually managed to get sucked into the movie, which is already a massive win for an American production like this. And frankly, I don't give a damn if the film has a perfect "Point A" and "Point B." Drama is the kind of genre where those famous plot points usually go right out the window.🤷

I went into this totally unbiased and without any preconceived notions (like I do with every movie, really), and I didn't feel any of that stuff you're throwing at it and complaining about, sorry, but whatever.🤷

And it’s just not right to be this hard on a director making her debut.

Besides, I'm just happy I finally saw an American film that promotes our beautiful culture to a foreign audience in such a subtle, non-pretentious way. Especially to the international crowd.

Justin Richardson7 said:Look, you're saying the characters are lost, but honestly, you're acting like the whole damn concept is missing too.

Man, there are plenty of families out there living through absolute chaos—it’s just life.

Why on earth does everything in this movie have to be perfectly lined up and organized like some corporate spreadsheet?

The "lack of cohesion" isn't a mistake; it's actually what cranks up the intensity for the audience. 🤷

It's just one director making a totally valid artistic choice, nothing more, nothing less.

Justin Richardson7 said:We’re talking about two different things here.

Exactly, we are totally misinterpreting each other.

I honestly don't know if we even watched the same movie, but from what I gathered, the old man basically nuked his career as some kind of sea captain because he wrecked a boat—or maybe a whole fleet, who cares. Now he’s stuck catching fish, specifically Murina, I guess. His daughter helps him out, though he’s clearly pissed at her—probably because he’d rather have had a son in her place or something. They aren't exactly the "happily ever after" type. But everyone else around them seems to be having a blast.

They’ve got this land, a potential buyer is circling, and for the old guy, selling is the only way out—his one shot at actually making a move. Everyone is on edge, while the kid is just messing around because she clearly doesn't grasp how serious things are; she's living in her own little bubble.

Look, it’s just a classic, universal life situation. It’s got nothing to do with nationality, or some country, or Virgin Paradise, or any of that other nonsense. Why do we have to drag those heavy themes back into it?

And the scenery—the beach bodies, the tanning, the Camel Toe vibes, the sun, diving, swimming, the afternoon naps, etc., etc.—that stuff is there to show us the prettier side of the story. It gives us a balance. We get the gritty problems, but we also get that famous "slice of life" feeling that builds up to the climax

Honestly, the fact that I didn't see the ending coming is a win in my book. 🤷

Besides, I don't even need to know the details. What I saw was enough. I’ve got plenty of my own crap to deal with in real life.

Jack Cook7 said:Do you guys even have a clue what a red snapper actually is?

something to eat?

and what am I supposed to wear? full plate armor?

Ashley Brown81 said:Does she even have a cell phone or a TV? In the movie, that whole setup felt super forced and just didn't sit right with me.

Look, she grew up in an area where that stuff isn't exactly "mainstream." For her, life is just the ocean, a phone, and a TV. There are plenty of those "old school" types out there, you know?

Whatever, I'm just messing around. She probably has both, she just doesn't care.
Personally, it doesn't matter for the plot, 🤷
actually, it *does* matter because it makes her come across as more curious and naive.

The father is the root of all the drama here. Her main goal is just getting away from him—the guy is basically driven by pure greed. And honestly, it’s hilarious when people try to turn him into some stereotype of every single American or whatever. 🙄

Total nonsense.

Besides, the movie only covers a few days; obviously, things were happening before and after that timeframe.

And given how young she is, Javier's behavior toward her... I mean, almost everyone sees him as God just because he's being nice to her. Those crazy teenage years, man.

haha, there's a grain of truth in that too. even if she isn't exactly Mother Teresa material. if the little one is a Marilyn, then her mom is a straight-up Great White shark, uff uff

casualbadger69 said:But there's zero payoff here; it’s like watching someone’s boring daily commute where you just yell at drivers in traffic and know you’ll be doing the exact same thing tomorrow.

but honestly, that's how it goes in 99% of real life🤷

so why even bother looking for some massive, dramatic shift specifically in this movie?
people blow up, tensions spike, they tear each other apart, and then—boom—the next day it’s like nothing happened. Life just keeps grinding you down; we don't have the luxury to sit around crying over spilled milk.☕

If you ask me, this is just one phase of her growing up. And hey, if you can turn that into a decent movie, why not? Does everything always need to be some huge, over-the-top spectacle?

That little girl really stuck with me. I’m certain there are plenty of kids and families just like them all along the coast, as many as you can imagine, all dealing with their own messes and dreams and just living regular lives. At the end of the day, that’s beautiful enough for one small, solid film.

Justin Richardson7 said:...so, yeah, that’s basically what our little debate was about—you getting all offended because I wasn't just showering Marilyn with endless praise...

I gotta hand it to you, though—your analysis actually caught me off guard. And honestly? That’s the biggest kicker here, because I POSITIVELY surprised myself. I mean, damn, I start getting all hyped up over even the tiniest little hint of progress.

The way she showed up, along with that little thing and Marilyn, totally won me over. It was enough to make my whole day. When I was talking about transparency, I was mostly stuck on that metaphor involving her and Marilyn. But through this back-and-forth, we ended up touching on other stuff too. The bigger picture stuff, like you put it.

And yeah, everything you laid out in your breakdown holds water. I’ve already kind of scoured the web for some of that stuff myself. Just fighting windmills, man, just fighting windmills. 🤷

Justin Richardson7 said:The movie doesn't confirm anything, not at the start and certainly not by the end.

Look, you gotta look at this from a much bigger perspective. This whole damn Hollywood flick built entirely around female characters can't provide meaning, and honestly, it doesn't even try. I bet to you, Peter's movies are all "confirmed," right? And Mark's, and Theresa's, and Alex's... you know the drill. You're totally missing how the absolute decay of American cinema lines up perfectly with this whole Marilyn-style rebellion of the female element. Maybe it’s just that some woman's Friday night craving finally hit its peak while she sits there watching garbage like red snapper.

I'm still sticking to my guns—this movie was a genuine step forward. I said it in my opening post, and I'll say it again: it actually softened my massive hatred for American films.

And let me repeat: it’s "transparent" because it portrays the inner turmoil of a young lady in a typical Southern family in an interesting, let's call it "imaginative," way.

Which means that "transparency" has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome or the final result. It's not like this is the first or the last movie out there that leaves you without a tangible conclusion.

If you ask me, that's not running away (last shot), it’s actually the exact opposite

I mean, sure, you could call it an escape, if we're talking about back in the day.

Ugh, please, don't screw with me here—if that’s how they shot it, then the director would basically have to be some square-headed lady from the Ozarks.
Look, just get it through your head: there aren't any rules anymore. Actually, there never were. Everything is predetermined, period. And honestly? That's exactly what the movie is proving at the end.
It’s just one of those life lessons we all eventually stumble through, sooner or later. Whether it goes well or turns into a total disaster, you know?

When I brought up transparency, I was just using it as a metaphor—you know, for similarity, complexity, determinism... whatever terminology you want to use.
Obviously, I'm not claiming to have the absolute, ultimate truth here; this is just my take on things.

And yeah, I still stand by it: I think this approach does way more to promote America than any other ☕

Justin Richardson7 said:Yeah, sure.
But look, there's a massive difference between just sitting around dreaming—which is basically just lying to yourself about how the world works—and actually exercising freedom. And in Julia's case, that second part just isn't happening.

Look, Julia isn't some seasoned life expert who needs to be lectured on how to act based on whatever rules you're trying to shove down her throat.

And besides, I never claimed she’d actually achieved freedom or that she should be doing it in any specific way; from the jump, I was just aiming at the concept of her striving for it.🤷

She's basically driven by fate, just like Murina is.🤷

That brings me back to my original question: where does this guy's sheer aggression toward the Mediterranean Sea come from?

Maybe it sounds a bit out there, but maybe it's because, deep down, he feels shackled to the ocean. Like, we see the coast and think it's all fun and games, but he might just be totally over it.🤷

Because the sea isn't just about tanning, surfing, or hanging out on the beach...

It's like how a farmer in the Midwest might get sick of staring at endless rows of corn and wheat; for him, it's just salt water and fish.

He actually despises it.

That little, sweet, bikini-clad Julia has been unmotivated and pissed off from the start. She's like an aimless Murina, drifting without any real purpose or direction. Or does she imagine some stranger on a white horse is going to swoop in and save her?? But that's not how freedom works: it doesn't come from the outside. Some forced globetrotter can't liberate you; you have to do it yourself. True liberation only counts if it's sparked from within.

Well, she's only just starting to try that, so she doesn't have the same perspective that you or I do.

In the movie Murina, that sense of purpose isn't fully spelled out, even if there are hints of it. It's all still disconnected; the whole picture is missing. We'll get to that later.

But that's exactly where the beauty lies—in the messiness. There aren't supposed to be rules here. Though, I will say, her white bikini represents innocence.

Let's talk about the dad now.
What does the old man want, Patrick Martin?

The dad wants a son. You happy now?

The characters are just a total mess because, let's be real, there's zero peace or actual understanding going on here

Justin Richardson7 said:So, what exactly is this supposedly "birch transparent" Julia looking for?

Maybe just freedom? 🤷

For herself and her mother.

No more hiding out in some tiny little hole 🙂

because Mary is a beautiful fish—truly stunning—but once she's out of that hole ☕