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Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) in Movies ·
I ended up pausing it after maybe an hour and forty-five minutes because I was starting to drift off. I’ll get back to it today. It’s not that I’m hating it, actually—every time things start feeling a bit too sluggish, something interesting pops up—but man, it really drags. And just like most modern stuff these days, it pushes the audience's suspension of disbelief right to the breaking point. If you sit there and think about everything you've seen for even a second longer than the actual scenes last, those whole space metaphors just don't hold up. Okay, so it's all a metaphor, but then they didn't even need that scientific setup in the first place—they could have told the whole story metaphorically without any of that.

Short Round is great.
Blue Öyster Cult in Music ·
Morgan Brown4 said:Looks like they're playing in Austin next summer:

Thanks so much for the heads up! 👍
The movie Tolkien (2019) in Movies ·
nimblemarlin6 said:But Tolkien's world feels pretty paganistic... I mean, it's all goblins and wizards and hidden magic and stuff like that. And when you get into The Silmarillion where he explains how the whole world was made, there isn't really much connection to Christianity. Honestly, I think Tolkien built his universe with such passion and life that, to me, it actually feels more convincing than the universe in The Bible.
A religion based on Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion would probably be more believable than Christianity.

As for Catholicism, people usually mention the Narnia books as being Catholic. I don't know, though, I haven't really read them.

Regarding the movies, Tolkien lived through such an interesting era, so I just hope they won't try to make connections between a fairy tale world and the trenches of WWI... although, looking at the trailers, it seems like they might.

Narnia is mentioned as Christian, which is a pretty big distinction. Tolkien actually argued with C. S. Lewis until the very end because Lewis moved from atheism to Anglicanism instead of Catholicism. 😁After so much persuasion...

And they're called that because they're shamelessly preachy—there's zero subtlety there. Even for Tolkien, the metaphors were so obvious they kind of felt forced.

I mean, I guess we should be fair, Tolkien's world definitely has some Christian roots—like the creation of the world through speech, the absolute nature of Eru Ilúvatar and things like that—but it all stays at this level of broad Western generality.

Saying that LOTR is fundamentally a Catholic or Christian work is honestly pretty meaningless when you consider that, in practice, LOTR had the biggest impact on non-Christian elements like Heavy metal, hippies, (neo)paganism, Dungeons & Dragons (maybe the Satanic Panic of the 80s?), and so on.
The movie Tolkien (2019) in Movies ·
I guess there’s something kind of funny about how modern Christians try to distance themselves from Tolkien's faith, especially since the subculture most deeply shaped by Lord of the Rings is actually Black Metal 😁 😁

I mean, the guy who named his band Burzum was literally out there setting churches on fire in Norway 🤣
The movie Tolkien (2019) in Movies ·
It seems like the movie is just playing it safe, kind of sugarcoating the whole relationship between J. R. R. Tolkien and his wife. In reality, it wasn't nearly as romanticized as they make it out to be. From what I've gathered, Edith actually held a bit of a grudge for a long time because she only agreed to convert to Christianity to satisfy his demand before they could get married.

The actual story is way more interesting than this version.
Jesse Thomas7 said:The Orange guy, and Mary too.

The real issue here is that it’s damn hard to feel any sympathy for someone—in this case, Mary—who, up until this exact moment involving HER, has used that same exact rhetoric and that same level of hypocrisy just to score political points.

It’s not like she was some little girl sitting in the corner painting landscapes all day while her dad’s political games flew right over her head; she was an active participant and a helper in those very same power plays.
So, it was totally fine to follow whatever the hell he thought and shape opinions to fit his agenda just to get what they wanted. You know, like inventing a specific enemy nation—ideally one loaded with oil—because "Al-Qaeda" is way too abstract a concept for regular folks to actually grasp who they're supposedly fighting.

She was perfectly fine with tailoring her politics by telling people exactly what they wanted to hear just to hit her targets, even if it wasn't true, because otherwise, you lose your base.
That is, until that same logic was applied to something affecting HER personally, rather than just some anonymous group of people out there.

You're forgetting that she's a conservative Republican, and if she hadn't been born gay, she would have been singing the exact same tune about gay marriage in public. Because it wouldn't have touched HER.

If she had just been busy painting scenery while the rest of the family was digging through the dirt, maybe I’d have a different take on the whole situation.

But, look, a movie about Mary Cheney should definitely dive into that issue. That paradox with conservative gay people.

But this isn't that kind of movie. I can't really say it's entirely her fault just because she's young and doesn't have a major role outside of being a sacrificial lamb here. Based on what we see in the film, maybe she really was just painting landscapes and bickering with the elders at Sunday dinners. Who knows? I'm not claiming to know who the real Mary is.

This whole discussion started from the idea of how sad it is to sacrifice one daughter's lifestyle just so the other can gain more power, since nobody actually killed anyone. Yeah, true, but it's about a line that acted as the last defense against the total dehumanization of the main character. And then that line gets crossed just for a little extra influence.
northerncrane4 said:Not if they're being forced into it by the idea itself.

That’s exactly my point regarding McKay's manufactured drama. It’s all just trivial—the way he sells Ford and Kissinger on the idea of fooling around on the White House lawn, or how he and the lady play Shakespeare while the maître d' offers them ways to bypass the Constitution. That isn't drama; it's just antics. Real drama within the opportunistic existence of Dick Cheney was either non-existent or tied up in legalities, so he settles for gags instead. We never actually witness Cheney's transformation from a certain kind of white trash turtle into a political mastermind—it happens entirely in the ellipses. Even those two meetings with Bush are, frankly, a total mess from a dramaturgical standpoint.

But that’s exactly what I asked—how exactly did he sacrifice his family by supporting one daughter while leaving the other practically untouched?

I mean, I guess you can't call an idea's didacticism a violation as long as we all have the choice to just walk out of the movie theater, right?

northerncrane4 said:Not if they're being forced into it by the idea itself.

That’s exactly my point regarding McKay's manufactured drama. It’s all just trivial—the way he sells Ford and Kissinger on the idea of fooling around on the White House lawn, or how he and the lady play Shakespeare while the maître d' offers them ways to bypass the Constitution. That isn't drama; it's just antics. Real drama within the opportunistic existence of Dick Cheney was either non-existent or tied up in legalities, so he settles for gags instead. We never actually witness Cheney's transformation from a certain kind of white trash turtle into a political mastermind—it happens entirely in the ellipses. Even those two meetings with Bush are, frankly, a total mess from a dramaturgical standpoint.

But that’s exactly what I asked—how exactly did he sacrifice his family by supporting one daughter while leaving the other practically untouched?

The Unitary Executive theory is basically the Holy Grail for McKay's version of Arthur. So, his character actually has some sort of quest going through the end of the film, whereas she kind of finishes her thing halfway through.

northerncrane4 said:Not if they're being forced into it by the idea itself.

That’s exactly my point regarding McKay's manufactured drama. It’s all just trivial—the way he sells Ford and Kissinger on the idea of fooling around on the White House lawn, or how he and the lady play Shakespeare while the maître d' offers them ways to bypass the Constitution. That isn't drama; it's just antics. Real drama within the opportunistic existence of Dick Cheney was either non-existent or tied up in legalities, so he settles for gags instead. We never actually witness Cheney's transformation from a certain kind of white trash turtle into a political mastermind—it happens entirely in the ellipses. Even those two meetings with Bush are, frankly, a total mess from a dramaturgical standpoint.

But that’s exactly what I asked—how exactly did he sacrifice his family by supporting one daughter while leaving the other practically untouched?

You realize that sounds exactly like Orange rhetoric, right? Like, if I don't personally see a problem, then maybe there isn't one.
northerncrane4 said:Not necessarily. It’s only an issue if you treat them like a mob—once you start treating them like a real team, the stupidity disappears.

Look, if a woman can't defend herself, then she basically asked for it—why should the perpetrator carry any of the responsibility?

He’s even more foolish because he actually believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. Besides—the market will ultimately decide just how dim he really is—especially since both Ford and the cowboy have already served two terms.

Honestly, the movie about him is pretty straightforward—the drama was mostly manufactured by McKay. Cheney is just a pragmatist; he made that big decision in both the film and real life, but I don't see how it would have actually changed anything for her. The only real drama in the whole thing is Donald Rumsfeld's story, which they handled with way too much authority.

Spinach. It’s not about being soft—it’s about the hypocrisy. Especially coming from McKay—who treats Mary and some random Iraqi dad sitting under a kitchen table as if they’re all on the exact same level of victimhood. Which, as I’ve said before, is even more bullshit.

That metaphor isn't really fair, I suppose. A mob is actually stronger than its hypothetical rapist.

northerncrane4 said:Not necessarily. It’s only an issue if you treat them like a mob—once you start treating them like a real team, the stupidity disappears.

Look, if a woman can't defend herself, then she basically asked for it—why should the perpetrator carry any of the responsibility?

He’s even more foolish because he actually believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. Besides—the market will ultimately decide just how dim he really is—especially since both Ford and the cowboy have already served two terms.

Honestly, the movie about him is pretty straightforward—the drama was mostly manufactured by McKay. Cheney is just a pragmatist; he made that big decision in both the film and real life, but I don't see how it would have actually changed anything for her. The only real drama in the whole thing is Donald Rumsfeld's story, which they handled with way too much authority.

Spinach. It’s not about being soft—it’s about the hypocrisy. Especially coming from McKay—who treats Mary and some random Iraqi dad sitting under a kitchen table as if they’re all on the exact same level of victimhood. Which, as I’ve said before, is even more bullshit.

Yeah, I mean, if the movie ended right where the credits first roll, maybe that would be true. But it doesn't. There's more left.

northerncrane4 said:Not necessarily. It’s only an issue if you treat them like a mob—once you start treating them like a real team, the stupidity disappears.

Look, if a woman can't defend herself, then she basically asked for it—why should the perpetrator carry any of the responsibility?

He’s even more foolish because he actually believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. Besides—the market will ultimately decide just how dim he really is—especially since both Ford and the cowboy have already served two terms.

Honestly, the movie about him is pretty straightforward—the drama was mostly manufactured by McKay. Cheney is just a pragmatist; he made that big decision in both the film and real life, but I don't see how it would have actually changed anything for her. The only real drama in the whole thing is Donald Rumsfeld's story, which they handled with way too much authority.

Spinach. It’s not about being soft—it’s about the hypocrisy. Especially coming from McKay—who treats Mary and some random Iraqi dad sitting under a kitchen table as if they’re all on the exact same level of victimhood. Which, as I’ve said before, is even more bullshit.

I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't the intention. Mary is like the symbol of the final downfall. She can't just be some Iraqi civilian that Dick never cared about. Once he sacrificed his own family, he lost that last little bit of humanity.
northerncrane4 said:And even in a grand American translation, the movie isn't called "woman in the shadows"—it's "Man in the Shadows."

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Whoa, if that isn't deep-seated homophobia, I don't know what is. Are you suggesting public words carry no weight if someone acts differently in private?
It’s not about being alone in private—it’s about holding a public office that those very words helped you secure. The older sister made her move, which pissed off the younger one, even though the younger one is the one reaping the benefits of her daddy's many specific and shady maneuvers.

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Everyone scratches where they itch.
How convenient that it itches there, but it doesn't itch for his father's 600,000 dead in Iraq (if the movie's figure is accurate).
But man, this whole idea about dumbing down the crowd is starting to feel like an urban legend.

First off, the masses are always going to be uninformed—that’s kind of just the deal.
Second, if they let themselves get played, well, maybe they deserved it? I don't know, why should anyone feel responsible for the intelligence of the general public? Maybe they should just look out for themselves, otherwise, they shouldn't expect much respect from the people running the show.
Third, the Orange guy isn't actually any stupider than the Vice President, or some B-list actor from the 30s. He’s just more raw material, I guess. It’s all basically the same level of mental capacity.

northerncrane4 said:And even in a grand American translation, the movie isn't called "woman in the shadows"—it's "Man in the Shadows."

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Whoa, if that isn't deep-seated homophobia, I don't know what is. Are you suggesting public words carry no weight if someone acts differently in private?
It’s not about being alone in private—it’s about holding a public office that those very words helped you secure. The older sister made her move, which pissed off the younger one, even though the younger one is the one reaping the benefits of her daddy's many specific and shady maneuvers.

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Everyone scratches where they itch.
How convenient that it itches there, but it doesn't itch for his father's 600,000 dead in Iraq (if the movie's figure is accurate).
Well, maybe because a hypothetical movie about her wouldn't have any drama. She already hit all her goals, she’s doing great. Leaked the books, got the respect, held the power... what else is there to give?

northerncrane4 said:And even in a grand American translation, the movie isn't called "woman in the shadows"—it's "Man in the Shadows."

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Whoa, if that isn't deep-seated homophobia, I don't know what is. Are you suggesting public words carry no weight if someone acts differently in private?
It’s not about being alone in private—it’s about holding a public office that those very words helped you secure. The older sister made her move, which pissed off the younger one, even though the younger one is the one reaping the benefits of her daddy's many specific and shady maneuvers.

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quietdriver3 says:
[I]Everyone scratches where they itch.
How convenient that it itches there, but it doesn't itch for his father's 600,000 dead in Iraq (if the movie's figure is accurate).
Actually, the older one enjoys it too, and she’s even deeper in the mud. I don't really see why only the younger one has to carry the weight of her father's bloody hands. Why was the older one supposed to be rewarded? Or is it just expected that the resident scapegoat always has to hang for society's sins? 🤔
northerncrane4 I guess... maybe I should mention what was said...
I guess it’ll get to the point where nobody—not even the old man who originally wrote that line about how sheep are just mindless followers that need driving, while goats actually have some brains and just need a bit of direction—will even remember where it came from. Maybe.

It’s like one of those old folk riddles, you know? Just super simple. I guess there isn't much of a difference between that little riddle and those preachy, didactic jokes they throw into this movie—they're both just way too simplified. And honestly, life... man, reality just doesn't work like that.

northerncrane4 I guess what they're saying is...
I guess I'm not entirely sure if things actually work that way on a macro level. I mean, the USA is still way more prosperous than Afghanistan. And at the end of the day, it's not like Cheney took office in a way that made him the most powerful guy in Congress when it comes to pulling strings.

I guess... I wonder if Cheney really got inside everyone's heads, you know? And then there’s the guy sitting right above him—what exactly is his deal? Maybe he's just as much of a presence as the other one. I don't know, it's hard to say.

northerncrane4 said:It seems even the author of "For sheep are stupid, and have to be driven. But goats are intelligent, and need to be led" wouldn't have a clue either.

I'm not sure things work quite like that on a macro level. The USA is still more prosperous than Afghanistan. Besides, even Cheney didn't take his position just to be the most powerful man in Congress when it came to pulling strings.

Whoa, look at that deep-seated male chauvinism surfacing! So, the lady fulfilled her ambitions by being the wife of a successful politician?!

And then there's the younger daughter—since nobody in the family questioned her sexual orientation at all. Including her sister. Who, having reached a position her mother's generation could only dream of—specifically, a woman in the Senate—voted exactly how the electorate demanded. I haven't seen any follow-up moves regarding gay marriage since she entered the Senate, so I assume she isn't pushing any anti-same-sex-marriage agendas.

Yeah, yeah, "sacrificed" is a bit strong. It's fine for the younger one to deal with a Middle Eastern butcher uncle, but apparently, she can't get past disrespecting the gay marriage community—baa baa.

I guess she really managed to reap all those perks that come with being in such a powerful position... without having to, you know, sacrifice her own heart health just to get there. Maybe she just played it smart, I don't know. It seems like she got everything she wanted without the physical toll most people would take. 😉

northerncrane4 said:It seems even the author of "For sheep are stupid, and have to be driven. But goats are intelligent, and need to be led" wouldn't have a clue either.

I'm not sure things work quite like that on a macro level. The USA is still more prosperous than Afghanistan. Besides, even Cheney didn't take his position just to be the most powerful man in Congress when it came to pulling strings.

Whoa, look at that deep-seated male chauvinism surfacing! So, the lady fulfilled her ambitions by being the wife of a successful politician?!

And then there's the younger daughter—since nobody in the family questioned her sexual orientation at all. Including her sister. Who, having reached a position her mother's generation could only dream of—specifically, a woman in the Senate—voted exactly how the electorate demanded. I haven't seen any follow-up moves regarding gay marriage since she entered the Senate, so I assume she isn't pushing any anti-same-sex-marriage agendas.

Yeah, yeah, "sacrificed" is a bit strong. It's fine for the younger one to deal with a Middle Eastern butcher uncle, but apparently, she can't get past disrespecting the gay marriage community—baa baa.

I mean, if that isn't just deep-seated homophobia, then I honestly don't know what is. Are we really saying that public statements don't carry any weight at all if you're just doing the exact opposite behind closed doors when nobody's looking? I guess it's hard to say, maybe... but it feels off.

northerncrane4 said:It seems even the author of "For sheep are stupid, and have to be driven. But goats are intelligent, and need to be led" wouldn't have a clue either.

I'm not sure things work quite like that on a macro level. The USA is still more prosperous than Afghanistan. Besides, even Cheney didn't take his position just to be the most powerful man in Congress when it came to pulling strings.

Whoa, look at that deep-seated male chauvinism surfacing! So, the lady fulfilled her ambitions by being the wife of a successful politician?!

And then there's the younger daughter—since nobody in the family questioned her sexual orientation at all. Including her sister. Who, having reached a position her mother's generation could only dream of—specifically, a woman in the Senate—voted exactly how the electorate demanded. I haven't seen any follow-up moves regarding gay marriage since she entered the Senate, so I assume she isn't pushing any anti-same-sex-marriage agendas.

Yeah, yeah, "sacrificed" is a bit strong. It's fine for the younger one to deal with a Middle Eastern butcher uncle, but apparently, she can't get past disrespecting the gay marriage community—baa baa.

People just do what they want, I guess. Like that really wise old guy once said:

"God has given you but one heart
You are not a home for the hearts of your brothers"
northerncrane4 said:People don't say "Might makes right" for nothing, right?

The wife didn't get to fulfill her own ambitions, though. She had to mold this idiot into a man just so she could live vicariously through him. Now, the daughter is in a position to do what her mother couldn't—so it’s perfectly fine if Cheney supports her, just like he supported the other daughter's lifestyle. The movie frames it as being heartless toward the second daughter, which is total bullshit.

People just don't get it, I guess. It’s kind of the usual way things go. Everywhere I look, it seems like the quality of life is way higher for the folks who just jump straight into power, rather than the ones who spent their entire lives actually building up their brains and working hard. Maybe that's just how it works, though.

northerncrane4 said:People don't say "Might makes right" for nothing, right?

The wife didn't get to fulfill her own ambitions, though. She had to mold this idiot into a man just so she could live vicariously through him. Now, the daughter is in a position to do what her mother couldn't—so it’s perfectly fine if Cheney supports her, just like he supported the other daughter's lifestyle. The movie frames it as being heartless toward the second daughter, which is total bullshit.

I mean, she’s definitely checked off a huge chunk of her goals. She’s actually achieved more than 99.9% of people on this planet ever will, I guess. But obviously, you can't just grab everything. Nobody really can—so why would she be any different?

I guess I feel the same way about Dick.

And I guess there's also the older daughter, who seems to be carving out her own path as a career politician.

I guess, at the end of the day, it just feels like the younger generation was tossed onto the altar just so those three people at the top could bump their own achievements up by a tiny fraction of a percent... and honestly, I don't think the price for that kind of success is really okay.
northerncrane4 said:Because experience shows us—plain and simple—that being didactic only leads to more didacticism.

BTW, just a thought... why is it a bad thing to support your other daughter in the end—especially considering your wife's own unfulfilled ambitions?

But then again, looking at how things work, if the wrong side is out there preaching while the right side stays subtle, I guess the loud ones end up winning in the end.

It’s just... well, maybe it's just how we're wired, thanks to evolutionary biology or whatever. It's not the subtle types that get ahead, it's the loud ones.

northerncrane4 said:Because experience shows us—plain and simple—that being didactic only leads to more didacticism.

BTW, just a thought... why is it a bad thing to support your other daughter in the end—especially considering your wife's own unfulfilled ambitions?

But I wonder, why should the wife be the only one who gets to chase after everything she ever wanted?
northerncrane4 said:Look, I get it—there are brilliant moments here, the acting is top-tier, and the makeup is honestly mesmerizing, but why does it have to be so damn preachy? At times, the didacticism is almost unbearable. If you feel the need to spoon-feed every single detail to your audience, then you've already failed them—you're basically treating them like they're lost causes. If you're making a movie you don't believe can afford to be subtle because you're terrified the core audience won't "get it," then don't even bother making it in the first place.

But hey, everyone deserves a wake-up call, I suppose. Maybe this could be a stepping stone toward something a bit less preachy? And besides, wars are rarely seen in such an intellectual way; they're usually just messy and ugly. 😉

As for the movie itself—I actually thought it was great. Even if that lecturing vibe is a little exhausting during the first act, since a good chunk of the jokes later on rely on that same energy, I guess it's all forgiven.

It feels pretty well-rounded and fleshed out to me—and I'll probably skip over the praise for the cast, because there's not much else to say there.
King George (2018) in Movies ·
feralpilot0 said:General Patton eats this for lunch—if you can even call it that. 🙂

Man, why isn't there a Golden Raspberry equivalent for movies outside the English-speaking world? It would be such an epic showdown between those two idiots 😁
King George (2018) in Movies ·
nimblemarlin6 said:Honestly, this is even worse than those old-school war epics directed by Steven Spielberg.

I mean, forget about Steven Spielberg... to me, this just feels like some Mexican version of a "Long dark night." 🤣

And for those people raving about the film's visuals... I mean, what exactly are they seeing? Is it that CGI that looks like it was cobbled together for an elementary school project on NBC? I guess I just don't get it.
There’s already this fantastic script out there for Gladiator 2, I guess... they just really need to keep it away from Scott and find someone with enough guts to actually direct it.
Where's the movie? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Look at this guy. You’re seriously acting like you're God's gift to humanity. You show up to the main PDF once a year and then act like you aren't just as guilty as Smoogj. Just because briskhound2 is a veteran doesn't mean you're off the hook...

By the way, if I were in charge, I'd hand you a lifetime ban for trolling this hard immediately.

Maybe try denying the fact that you don't actually have a single troll card on this thread.
Where's the movie? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Lisa Hernandez3 said:I suppose this would be a perfectly fine explanation if it weren't for one tiny little detail—namely, the fact that Henry Campbell5 is reacting to how briskhound2 was acting in a different thread. That behavior wasn't sanctioned in any way, and I think anyone just passing through the forum could have gathered that, being a moderator, briskhound2 seems to have a certain level of immunity.

Then there's that clumsy argument about "not contributing to the PDF movie"—which, honestly, is a pretty weak excuse for such a biased take.


There’s also this other small detail, I suppose. Trying to tear down a sub-forum by just picking at people isn't really a way to settle the score over some injustice.

Lisa Hernandez3 said:I suppose this would be a perfectly fine explanation if it weren't for one tiny little detail—namely, the fact that Henry Campbell5 is reacting to how briskhound2 was acting in a different thread. That behavior wasn't sanctioned in any way, and I think anyone just passing through the forum could have gathered that, being a moderator, briskhound2 seems to have a certain level of immunity.

Then there's that clumsy argument about "not contributing to the PDF movie"—which, honestly, is a pretty weak excuse for such a biased take.

I mean, announcing a plan to stir the pot definitely doesn't count as making a constructive contribution.
Where's the movie? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
I probably deserve this for even trying to talk to people who act like Easter started weeks ago and just won't get off their high horse about it.
Where's the movie? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Henry Campbell5 says he’s planning to start "stirring the pot" and being provocative, basically giving a moderator an ultimatum.

I don't think that's really what constructive participation in a PDF movie community looks like.