E. I was just reminiscing about the Lapidarium from years ago (last Friday) when we used to go out dancing to those bands. The nostalgia is real. A tear almost came to my eye 😢 Those were the days. And I can still see those old wooden stages we used to dance and jump on.
(okay, it’s basically the same thing elsewhere, but those nights at the Lapidarium hold a special place in my heart)
And just like that, a wave of nostalgia hits me It’s only right that I love Camouflage (The Great Commandment, Suspicious Love, Love is a Shield), Blancmange, Visage (Fade to Grey 🙏), and of course, New Order Plus Propaganda too
Honestly, whenever someone mentions they’re into Joy Division or Sonic Youth, you instantly know they’ve got great taste and a certain level of cool Ultravox used to be part of that same "cool" club—just a legendary band with an incredible reputation
stormyviper11 said:They can be a bit tedious if you listen to too much at once, but they definitely have some great songs...
That’s about right. I don't really listen to them much at home, but I always head to their shows because they're much better live. The atmosphere is wonderful and the crowd is always great.
I ran into the most adorable little girl carrying a guitar at the preschool today, so I had to ask if she was taking music lessons. To make a long story short, they offer a music playroom designed for kids from toddlerhood onwards, so I’m planning to enroll my little one as soon as possible. It seems like such a wonderful, constructive way to learn. It clearly isn't too early to start. They play along with singing, and honestly, I don't see any downside to that. 🙂
In the end, true talent always finds its way. My brother-in-law never even took formal music lessons, yet he’s become quite a successful blues guitarist (as much as you can really make a living as a musician in the US). My father, on the other hand, was a professional musician who spent years studying everything from piano and violin to saxophone and clarinet.
He tried to push me toward the piano—but I've honestly hated the piano for as long as I can remember. I wanted to play guitar. He wouldn't hear of it. Eventually, he actually brought home a harp and even set up a lesson with a friend of his who teaches harp at the local conservatory, but even that didn't work.
Then there was my drawing and painting, which I was naturally great at, and he somehow managed to discourage those efforts too.
If I could offer one piece of advice, it's this: give your child a variety of options so they can choose their own path. As parents, our role is simply to provide the motivation, the organization, and the opportunities.
zakan14 said:The whole point is that kids get to be kids by exploring what they actually love. From what I see with 5, 6, or 7-year-olds taking music lessons, they all seem to enjoy it. It’s not about drilling them; it’s just playing music. That’s why I’d happily provide that for my own child, even if it means making a huge sacrifice of time and energy after coming home exhausted from work. And it isn't really about ambition—I don't care if my kid ends up playing in the New York Philharmonic or entering competitions. It's not like I'd care even if a teacher told me they had the talent for it.
Why would anyone assume music lessons for children are a burden????
That’s exactly my issue with the American music education system (and society at large). It's one of the main reasons I decided against going to a conservatory to pursue music professionally. Instead, I chose a career path that pays the bills even if I'm not head over heels for it, just so I can play music purely for the joy of it. Because of that mindset, I definitely won't be enrolling my kid in formal music school at age five.
Look, whether it's age five, six, or seven—you just have to see how it unfolds and judge based on what your child shows you. If there's no genuine interest or passion, then it's just not meant to be. You should give a child the chance to explore different interests first, and if they don't enjoy it, they don't have to stick with it. As far as I'm concerned, they could grow up to be a gardener, a surgeon, or an astronaut—as long as they become an expert in their field, choose something they're talented at, and work hard at it. It really is that simple.
Oh, so we should just let them grow up to be uneducated ranch hands? 🙄 Let them wander the streets aimless and clueless instead? 😵
Suddenly, it’s a massive issue when you actually want to give a child the chance to learn a second language or pick up an instrument. What a joke, I can't believe the kind of place I live in.