Posts by dustycanyon6

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Soy and health: what are your thoughts? in Health · Aug 15, 2005

granitegull3 said:Soy milk is packed with vitamins and minerals, plus there’s zero cholesterol or lactose in it.

Honestly, I'd much rather just grab a glass of spring water and take a multivitamin... than deal with soy milk. At least that way, I'm skipping all those downsides people talk about with soy...😉

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Soy and health: what are your thoughts? in Health · Aug 14, 2005

The big thing about soy is actually how you process it—you really need to be eating fermented soy. Non-fermented stuff has phytic acid (plus other nasty bits) that basically blocks your body from absorbing essential minerals... eating non-fermented soy is bad for you. Most of the soy people eat here in the States is probably made from the non-fermented kind (like fresh green soybeans, whole dry soybeans, Nuts, Sprouts, Flour, Soy milk, or tofu) rather than the fermented varieties (like Natto, miso, Tempeh, soy sauces, or even tofu and soy milk made from fermented beans). When experts don't mention those compounds in non-fermented soy, they end up giving advice—mostly to women—that could actually hurt their health while trying to lower breast cancer risks. It feels pretty unethical to me... I was just chatting with this thirty-year-old woman the other day, and she mentioned how all her friends from college were constantly getting sick, unlike her. She ate a balanced diet, while her friends were always drinking cheap supermarket soy milk and snacking on other soy products. Apparently, back then, there was some expensive imported organic soy milk available, but her friends couldn't afford it... I'd bet anything that cheap milk was made from non-fermented soy. Plus, we can't ignore that soy is quickly becoming one of the top allergens out there.

As for what's being said about men, I’d take that with a huge grain of salt. If a man isn't producing estrogen, that's just his natural state. Trying to change that would put a ton of stress on the body, and I'm sure it would cause problems down the road. Besides, people in Asia generally have a totally different diet than Americans—especially compared to all our junk food—which is enough reason for them to stay healthier. If I wanted to prevent prostate cancer, I’d focus on Vitamin D and a solid diet rather than forcing soy into a man's system. And honestly, many Asian cultures only started using soy once they mastered the fermentation process... who knows if they've moved away from that now...

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no more Heart Disease: How Nitric Oxide Can Prevent -- Even revers -- Heart Disease and Stroke in Health · Aug 2, 2005

jadesailor14 said:How do you even know that the HL vitamins come from some plant grown on a random meadow? Like, how can you be sure they're actually organic...

Where exactly did you hear that the vitamins from Pliva and those from Herbalife come from different sources?...

So, you're asking if the Herbalife vitamins are actually better? Like, what's the actual deal with that...

Don't even bother trying. There aren't any real answers to those questions, but I'm pretty sure he'll just try to spin some nonsense... He thinks he "knows" it all because that's exactly how it's laid out on the HL website, in all the HL promotional stuff, and even printed right on the HL products themselves. You really need something more substantial than that? 😁 😉

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Looking for a nutritionist recommendations? in Health · Jul 27, 2005

jadesailor14 said:A lot of doctors claim walking is actually better for you than hitting the gym or going for runs.

That sounds like my personal excuse for skipping the workout just because I took a stroll around the block, whether I'm solo or walking the dog...

It’s definitely easier on your joints, sure, but for cardio? Not really, unless you’re dealing with some serious heart issues. Personally, I walk a ton—partly because it keeps me moving, but mostly because it gives me space to just think. It's good for the body and the soul, I guess...👍

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Looking for a nutritionist recommendations? in Health · Jul 27, 2005

granitegull3 said:😂 😂 😂

Is this even for real? .. 🙂 🙏 😁

You're a real genius, aren't you? Pretty sure that cholesterol didn't come from your diet... it just floated down from the sky...
😁 😂 🙏

Stop acting like you're better than everyone else when you're actually being an idiot! 🙂
Cholesterol is a steroid lipid, found in the cell membranes of all body tissues, and transported in the blood plasma of all animals. Most cholesterol is not dietary in origin, it is synthesized internally. It is present in higher concentrations in tissues which either produce more or have more densely packed membranes; for example the liver, spinal cord, brain and atheroma. Cholesterol plays a central role in many biochemical processes, but is best known for the association of cardiovascular disease with various lipoprotein cholesterol transport patterns in the blood.
Seriously, just get lost already—you’re driving everyone crazy! NOBODY wants you participating here because you just clog up the whole board with garbage... enough is enough. Mods, please just ban this guy every single time he shows up under a new alias, because this is getting ridiculous. I say we take a vote: do we want this guy—MacGregor, aka Hummer, aka Mayo, aka granitegull3—kicked off this forum for good?

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Looking for a nutritionist recommendations? in Health · Jul 27, 2005

Chloe Walker78 said:Oh boy...
Carbs are basically everywhere in nature. Pretty much all veggies are mostly carbohydrates (photosynthesis, remember learning that in elementary school?)... so there's really nothing to argue about here. As far as I can tell, chemistry is still an exact science.
A low-carb diet, carb-heavy veggies, I just don't buy it 🤣

Let's not get too nitpicky right now—when people talk about carbs in their diet, they usually mean the "bad" kind, like sugar and starch. That's why things like potatoes, pasta, or bread are labeled as carb sources, whereas something like a salad isn't really on the radar since it's mostly cellulose, which we can't even digest anyway.

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no more Heart Disease: How Nitric Oxide Can Prevent -- Even revers -- Heart Disease and Stroke in Health · Jul 26, 2005

casualnomad42 says:

dustycanyon6 said:Maybe you should just head over to the main thread... My vision is starting to go...Maybe your experience over there might be a bit more useful? .. 😁

The label says...Natural... Natural Flavor and Sucralose...Nonnutritive sweeteners... they're everywhere now, aren't they? You see them on almost every label in the grocery store. It's funny how much things have changed... just a little thought for the day.)", ... 😉 😎

Don't be so naive! "Natural" refers to the Flavor, not the sucralose... because we all know sucralose isn't exactly natural... 😉

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no more Heart Disease: How Nitric Oxide Can Prevent -- Even revers -- Heart Disease and Stroke in Health · Jul 26, 2005

casualnomad42 said:1) Niteworks isn't some pharmaceutical drug—it's just a herbal supplement made from three amino acids plus Vitamins C and E!!!

So if it's a "herbal supplement," why on earth is there a synthetic sweetener in it? (I mean, sucralose... basically Splenda... which is just junk similar to aspartame)...😁

Why not Use Splenda? Well, look, animal studies have actually pointed out that sucralose can trigger all sorts of issues, like:
* Atrophy of lymph follicles in The spleen and thymus * Increased cecal weight * Reduced growth rate * Decreased red blood Cell count * Hyperplasia of The pelvis * Extension of The pregnancy period * Aborted pregnancy * Decreased fetal body weights and placental weights
* Enlarged liver and kidneys
* Atrophy of lymph follicles in The spleen and thymus
* Increased cecal weight
* Reduced growth rate
* Decreased red blood cell count
* Hyperplasia of The pelvis
* Extension of The pregnancy period
* Aborted pregnancy
* Decreased fetal body weights and placental weights
* Diarrhea

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 21, 2005

You know, Mayo... I’m getting a little tired here, so I think I’ll just step back from this topic. It feels like I’m talking to a brick wall. Let me say this one more time: do you honestly believe dr. Heber is just out there promoting Herbalife for the fun of it? Look, the guy isn't necessarily untrustworthy—I’m not saying everything he says or stands for is wrong—but there is a massive conflict of interest here. We just can't take anything he says at face value... he's only going to highlight the stuff that benefits Herbalife. So, I'll say it again: stop pushing dr. Heber on people.

And on a completely different note regarding soy:

I already gave you my answer, but you cut me off.
Sugar is only harmful if it turns into fat—meaning if it's stored because you didn't burn it off. Since that happens about 98% of the time because people don't move enough and eat junk food loaded with sugar, that's why they warn us about it. I mean, surely you know someone who eats sweets all day and isn't overweight?

I'm going to quote what I already quoted once before: Sugar can cause a decrease in your insulin sensitivity thereby causing an abnormally high insulin levels and eventually diabetes... are you seriously telling me that's not true?

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 20, 2005

Mayo said:Look, this is just a space for us to swap stories and info... everyone’s free to believe whatever they want. If you'd rather listen to those "funny characters" out there, go ahead... be my guest. No hard feelings... 😁

Look, all that advertising on products like the ones you’re talking about... I don't see that as actual information or real-world experience. It's just marketing. Pure and simple. And since that's basically the only argument you've brought to the table, I feel like we've hit a dead end here... I honestly couldn't care less what some Herbalife doctor says. At the end of the day, he isn't unbiased, and he can't be. You haven't actually provided any other "data"... so, really, what am I even supposed to take away from this?

Mayo said:You just don't get it... neither the FDA nor mainstream medicine holds those ironclad positions they used to when it comes to what scientists and nutritionists are actually finding. The conclusions are shifting. When you look at the race between drugs and nutrition, the meds are losing more often than not. There’s just more and more talk lately about how real, healthy food is actually the best way to heal the body... 👍

The FDA... man, they really just follow whatever way the wind blows. Basically, they just go wherever the money is... 😉 Honestly, big pharma companies are throwing massive amounts of money at the FDA just to get their drugs tested and approved. It creates this weird situation where the FDA actually has a financial incentive to greenlight as many drugs as possible without doing enough deep dives... and when things go sideways? They’re way too slow to pull dangerous, under-tested meds off the shelves. We see it happening all the time lately. If I remember correctly, there was some talk a couple of years back about moving toward regulating supplements more strictly, too. That would mean the FDA starts pulling even more profit from manufacturers making vitamins, minerals, and all those other supplements. And honestly, that’s going to be a huge market. Supplements are basically becoming a necessity for staying healthy... people are starting to believe that you can't really reach peak health through diet alone without them...

Honestly, this article just backs up everything I already knew... and everything I’ve heard straight from dr. Heber. Seriously, if you have an internet connection, maybe do a little digging for yourself... 😉

Please don't try to sell me on dr. Heber or anyone else caught up in those conflict-of-interest loops... I mean, when you see him basically endorsing stuff right on the Herbalife pages, his bias is pretty much staring you in the face. It’s just obvious... And honestly, with millions of doctors out there, is it really that hard to find someone with a different take? Even if their opinion goes against the mainstream medical consensus... it's worth looking into... I've stumbled across plenty of convincing arguments against soy online, though I'm still not totally sold on it myself. If you actually have some solid info, send over some links to high-quality sources... assuming anything like that even exists out there...

Read that again... carefully...

Soy and men’s health... it's one of those topics that always seems to spark a massive debate online, doesn't it? You see people getting really worked up about it... I've been looking into the actual science behind it lately. There's so much noise out there, especially when you hear certain claims about hormones or how soy affects guys. It can get pretty overwhelming if you don't know where to look for the real facts... But honestly, once you dig past the headlines and look at what the actual research says, things start to look a bit different. It’s worth taking a second to breathe and look at the data instead of just following the panic...

So, there's this NEW study out... and honestly, has anyone ever actually done one like this before? It feels like this might be the only one that’s coming up with these supposedly "positive" results. They had 61 men participate, which is a pretty solid number, I guess... but we're talking about an older crowd here. To be honest, I have no idea who actually ran the study or whose money was behind it. Plus, they aren't mentioning any side effects at all... which really makes me wonder if the conclusions are being skewed or just filtered to look good...

Science actually backs this up... soy protein helps regulate thyroid function and keeps women's hormones in check. Plus, there's evidence it can help prevent breast cancer, stomach cancer, and even prostate cancer in men... on top of everything else mentioned above...

It’s funny how people love to toss around the phrase "it's scientifically proven"... like it's some kind of ultimate, untouchable truth that you aren't allowed to question. It makes it sound so absolute... almost sacred. But honestly, who exactly is doing the proving? What kind of methods are they actually using? And more importantly... what about the downsides? Are there any negative side effects lurking under the surface? You have to wonder if those risks might actually outweigh the benefits in the long run...

"Regulates." That's such a nice, cozy little word, isn't it? It sounds so safe... But when it comes to soy and hormones, things get messy. Sure, maybe it could be useful for women dealing with low estrogen—if we just completely ignored all the nasty side effects that come with unfermented soy... But for everyone else? It’s pretty much toxic. And honestly, that probably includes almost every man out there too...

Here’s a quote from another page...

It’s honestly pretty wild how soy somehow became this "health food" everyone swears by... when you look at what Dr. Heber says, it's a different story entirely. There are thousands of studies out there linking it to all kinds of issues—malnutrition, gut problems, even messing with your immune system and thyroid. It goes way beyond that, too... we're talking cognitive decline, reproductive issues, infertility, and even links to cancer and heart disease. Just crazy how much the narrative has shifted...

So, if those "essential" minerals are getting flushed out every single time we hit the bathroom... what does that actually mean for us? Are we supposed to just stop peeing? Or is it more about the fact that we probably need to be loading up on way more minerals through our diet? ... 😁

That’s honestly such a silly thing to say... I’m pretty bummed you don't see that yourself. I really hope I don't have to sit here and break down exactly why it's so ridiculous...

Alright, we’re on the same page here... though I gotta say, that comparison you made was a bit of a stretch... 😉

I honestly don't get why people think that's a fair comparison... It just doesn't hold up. Sugar is one of those massive, driving factors behind heart disease and vascular issues, not to mention a whole host of other health problems too... It’s hard to ignore the connection there.

I feel like I'm constantly talking about... So, about that soy protein... So you're actually talking about the entire plant... 😛

I’ve been seeing all these fitness blogs claiming that soy protein is just as bad as actual soy because they share the same "toxic" profile. It seems like a pretty logical jump to make, right? If the plant itself is problematic due to certain compounds, then the protein derived from it must be too... But I wanted to see if anyone here knows more about the actual science behind this. Like, what exactly stays in the protein isolate versus what remains in the whole bean? Are we talking about the absence of isoflavones in those processed supplements? Or maybe the phytic acid—which can be a real nightmare and usually needs fermentation to break down—isn't even present in the final product? There are so many different stuff found in plain old soy... just curious if anyone has a different take on the breakdown...

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Is laminate flooring bad for your health? in Health · Jul 18, 2005

This is what happens when you end up with two identical threads running at once—honestly, the mod should just delete the duplicate one! And give credit to the person who actually started the conversation first! 😉

So, here is how Amanda Lee42 responded over in the other thread:

Amanda Lee42 said:Supposedly, carpets or even just freshly varnished hardwood are more "porous" than laminate, which has such a smooth surface that dust particles just bounce right back up into the air, especially when you combine it with floor heating...
basically saying the amount of airborne dust you're breathing is way higher with laminate floors compared to the classic stuff...

And let's be real, the materials used to make them probably aren't exactly eco-friendly either, so who knows if that causes issues under certain conditions...😕

Hardwood is probably the best option. Carpet is definitely the worst because it’s basically a buffet for dust mites, which is a nightmare for anyone with allergies—kind of like me. Dust itself, even if it gets kicked up from the floor, doesn't really bother me that much... but if there's carpet in the room? Man...

As for the idea that wood is more porous than laminate... that sounds pretty ridiculous to me! Wood isn't going to "absorb" all the dust floating in a room, and if it's freshly finished, the dust won't even touch the wood; it'll just sit on top of the finish. I don't know, but that whole "dust rising" thing doesn't seem like enough proof to claim laminate is bad for people with asthma (or sinus allergies, like I have).

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Detox bath: Does it actually work? in Health · Jul 17, 2005

Matthew Sullivan32 said:I’ve heard stories about that... my wife actually tried it once. Did it work? Honestly, who knows. There’s just so much power in autosuggestion, especially when you've just dropped a massive chunk of change on something... 😉

But look at it this way—the fact that you're paying a fortune is actually part of the process. I mean, something cheap isn't going to fix you, right? 😉 If someone hands you some headache pills and tells you they’re these super-special, high-end tablets that cost, say, $33 because they're supposedly "revolutionary," you're way more likely to feel the placebo effect kicking in than if they gave you the exact same pills and told you they were just basic Advil you picked up at CVS for a few bucks.

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Detox bath: Does it actually work? in Health · Jul 17, 2005

Jamie Clark74 said:That was such a great little summary... honestly. It’s hard to keep it brief when I still remember those hundreds of pages of research you did... all that deep thinking and those intense descriptions of everything you were digging into... it was quite something...

Looking back at what I wrote before... man, I really didn't know anything then. I was definitely prone to overreacting a bit, and maybe even a little naive too... 😁Honestly, I really thought I’d stumbled onto something revolutionary... I had no clue just how much power a psychologist can actually have over someone. It's wild...

Look, when I mentioned you, I wasn't being malicious or anything like that... honestly. I should have just said "alternative medicine" instead...
I've always kept a close eye on everything you write... mostly because I actually believe what you say...
I honestly think we need to keep an open mind when it comes to medicine... and that includes all those alternative approaches too. You can't just shut the door on one side or the other if you want the full picture...
Medicine... I don't know about all that, though I haven't exactly found much luck with my own health issues lately...
Looking for some help with alternative medicine... I've been searching around for solutions, and honestly, even someone around 30 would probably be looking for the same thing...
Another year...

Don't worry—it's not like I took it that way... 😉 I just wanted to say that you’ve got me all wrong. I know I’ve changed quite a bit since we last spoke... but honestly, everything I thought was harmful back then? I still feel exactly the same way about it now. It's just that these days, I tend to process things with a little more perspective and a lot more restraint... anyway, best regards!

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Detox bath: Does it actually work? in Health · Jul 16, 2005

Jamie Clark74 said:I'm surprised dustycanyon6 hasn't weighed in yet. He’s basically the resident expert when it comes to blowing through cash on anything organic... I heard he went and got a full set of new dental implants. God knows what else he’s gone and spent money on lately... honestly, I bet he hasn't changed one bit...😉

Starting this thread... sorry if this turns into a bit of a novel...

Look, you totally misread me—I’m definitely not dropping my cash on all that "natural" stuff. Honestly, I’m the type of person who changes my mind based on what actually happens in real life... it's just part of the learning process for me. Here’s where my head is at right now:

Honestly, silver fillings are just one unnecessary evil... I mean, seriously... and honestly, I haven't spent a single cent on them anyway... 😉 Honestly, I’m just so relieved I finally did it. A few follow-up dental repairs I had recently were completely painless and over before I knew it... which is a huge win. Plus, that constant sensitivity to hot and cold? Gone. Even those annoying cold sores on my lips have cleared up—it used to feel like all it took was taking a sip from someone else's soda to trigger one. I've sworn off amalgam forever now, though I suppose it might be a little late since most of my teeth already took a hit from those old black fillings. I really feel like I have a solid reason to call those fillings harmful. There are plenty of theoretical arguments out there, but for me, it's about the firsthand evidence I've experienced...

Having a positive outlook on life... it really matters. I truly believe that lacking it can be the root cause of so many physical and mental health struggles out there. The real struggle, though, is for people like me. Since I'm still pretty young, I've spent basically my entire life dealing with all sorts of emotional and psychological trauma from childhood... and trying to force a "positive attitude" when you're wired that way is incredibly hard. But, things have started to shift. About a year ago, I made some massive changes to my lifestyle, and honestly, I feel incomparably more positive now. There’s still a long, long road ahead of me to get where I want to be, but I'm getting there...

Homeopathy? Honestly, most of the time it feels like it’s just a placebo effect. And look, you can pretty much recreate that same feeling on your own without the fancy labels... For instance, I’ve managed to convince my own brain that Vitamin C is basically a superpower. Specifically those Plivit C tablets. Whenever I get that telltale tickle in my throat that says a cold is coming, I start taking at least two a day. And wouldn't you know it, the cold never actually hits me... So, hey, if you enjoy spending a little extra cash on stuff like that, go for it. If it makes you feel better, more power to you. But if not, don't bother... I only really used them a couple of times back when I was getting those old amalgam fillings replaced...

I went through that one homeopathic detox thing—you know, the one that isn't even about the placebo effect—right after I got my dental fillings replaced. Honestly, I can't tell if it actually did anything for me... all I know is it didn't make things worse. Am I going to do it again? Nah, I don't see any reason to...

Hair analysis... I honestly think there's some real value in it, but around here, you just never know if they actually ran the tests. You end up wondering if you just paid for a piece of paper that some local holistic practitioner scribbled out on the spot... I definitely fell for that trap once. I’m positive my sample never even made it to a real lab because the lady I went to was using this old, photocopied sheet of paper to claim everything was official. To make matters worse, she wouldn't even let me see the actual results... just a total scam artist. Total fraud...

Those "revolutionary" gadgets you see being pushed on TV-shop or in the papers? Honestly, they’re either total junk, complete exaggerations, or they just conveniently leave out much better, healthier ways to get the job done... In my humble opinion, you should probably just ignore those ads altogether. Most of them are just designed to fleece people... Take a company like Johnson & Johnson, for example. They had most of those same products and medicines way back when nobody even knew their name, but then they just rebranded everything, poured money into massive ad campaigns, and suddenly they're this household name everyone recognizes...

Water... it really needs to be clean and still. I’m talking about water that's been flash-filtered right at the source. Honestly, drinking tap water—especially in a big city like Chicago—is just a nightmare. It’s loaded with chlorine and God knows what else...

Sugar is bad news for your health... way more than most people actually realize. And grains? Yeah, they're pretty rough too, though I guess whole grains aren't quite as bad as the processed stuff. It's especially tough on anyone who isn't strictly a carb-burner. We've already gone over this a bunch in other threads, anyway...

- Teflon - it's a toxic substance that can trigger all sorts of health issues for sensitive people. Personally, I end up running to the bathroom way too often if I eat anything cooked in a Teflon pan... my case isn't extreme, but there are folks who have to get up ten times a night just because of that stuff. Once they ditch the non-stick cookware, the problem just vanishes

- Supplements - honestly, I don't think they're necessary if you're actually eating right. I take Omega-3s every now and then since I have an allergy to fish, and occasionally some calcium citrate because I don't touch dairy... lactose intolerance is a real pain

- Chiropractic care - misaligned or damaged vertebrae can be (and often are) the root cause of so many illnesses. Most people don't even realize it; they just go to their GP and get handed a bunch of pills to mask the symptoms while the actual issue stays put. People call chiropractic "alternative," but in my eyes, it's as fundamental as surgery

And there's a thousand other things. Jamie Clark74, take a look at what I just listed... how much of this would you even classify as "natural"? Hardly any of it, right!? 😉 You see, my main point is that we need to strip out the harmful—usually artificial or "unnatural"—stuff from our diets and daily lives. If you tackle the cause, the problem goes away. That's really what I've learned... the further we drift from nature, the worse our health gets. I'm not pushing for more "natural" additives; I'm pushing to get rid of the junk

It might be too late for you, but it isn't for everyone else. Look, if you had known back when you were working with asbestos how dangerous it was, you definitely wouldn't have gone near it... that nasty stuff wouldn't have entered your life, and you probably wouldn't be dealing with so many issues today, right? Knowledge and prevention are the real answers. Trying to cure a disease after the fact is tough... and let's face it, conventional medicine often focuses more on managing symptoms than actually curing the illness

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 13, 2005

Aha... Now I see what's really going on... And here I was thinking Hummer / Mayo was just uninformed or maybe a bit naive—turns out his statements are actually pretty calculated... Look, I don't usually label people, but when McGregor or Hummer / Mayo writes something genuinely smart, I'll take it—but it’s becoming obvious his only goal is pushing those Herbalife products while completely dodging our points. What do you guys think... should we just ban him under this handle? 😉McGregor/Hummer/Mayo—can you actually say anything that isn't straight out of a Herbalife ad? Because honestly, your participation on this forum feels totally pointless at this point.

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 13, 2005

Hummer / Mayo said:3) That’s a bit of a misconception because sugar isn't a "direct" threat to your health... I mean, just eating a lot of sugar doesn't automatically turn you into a diabetic... 🙂
The real issue is being sedentary and inactive. If you don't burn off those sugars—those carbs—they just get stored as fat. Once you deal with excess weight, that starts messing with everything in your body, including leading straight to Type II diabetes...
Of course, consuming massive amounts of sugar has become a huge danger. For instance, back in 1880, the average per capita consumption in the USA was only about 17 lbs a year, but now it's skyrocketed to nearly 140 lbs... let's just say the numbers in Germany are around 108 lbs, and we aren't far behind that either... 😢

You are completely out of the loop here! Saying "sugar isn't a direct threat to your health"? How can you even write something like that!? It's like you've never even heard of insulin or leptin! Sugar can cause a decrease in your insulin sensitivity thereby causing an abnormally high insulin levels and eventually diabetes (that's number 22 out of the 76 ways sugar can wreck your health—and honestly, I think that number has probably gone up since then).

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 13, 2005

Hummer / Mayo said:6) The FDA is greenlighting new health claims for soy protein

Don't fall for it... the FDA is a dangerous "health" organization that looks out for big corporate interests rather than actual people's health. I mean, haven't you heard about the recent scandals with drugs like Vioxx? ten members of the FDA advisory panel who voted that a group of powerful pain killers, including the controversial drug Vioxx, should continue to be sold had ties to the drug makers, a new analysis shows.!

And of all the possible articles to pick, you chose this one absolute nonsense, sponsored piece... just isolated "facts" used to "prove" something that isn't even true, or is at least a half-truth. Notice how the text only mentions women? I think the reason for that is pretty obvious... Besides, there's zero mention of the negative effects of consuming soy. Not a single word about phytic acid, which pulls essential minerals right out of your body, and you find it in unfermented soy. Plus, someone would get way more health benefits from cutting down on sugar than by upping their soy intake (if we were ignoring all the dangers soy brings along with it)... They also conveniently forget to mention that soy is one of the top ten allergens! It's all very clear...

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 12, 2005

casualnomad42 said:There’s actually a ton of scientific research out there on Soy Articles... It’s been shown to help prevent various types of cancer—things like prostate, stomach, and breast cancer—and it really helps balance hormones, especially for women. Plus, it’s pretty much the only plant-based protein that actually packs all nine essential amino acids...

I don't know... the way you talk about "soy protein" sounds a bit weird to me. It makes it seem like consuming that stuff means you aren't getting anything else in return, which just isn't how it works. These supplements are packed with other things found in soy, like isoflavones... and honestly, that's why I think kids—especially boys—should stay far away from anything containing soy. They even put it in baby formula! I have no idea what the deal is with the other nasty stuff typically found in soy, but you should probably look into the details... I'm still processing this... everything feels a bit much sometimes... just trying to make sense of it all...)...

Of course, let's not go mixing up regular GMO soy with the stuff that actually comes from strictly controlled farming and traceable sources... 🙂

If those products are coming straight out of the States, you can just assume that soy has some "strictly controlled cultivation and pedigree" or whatever... right? 😉

The info I’m using... well, let's just say it comes from some pretty high-level circles...U.C.L.A.Coming from one of the most respected nutrition experts on the planet...David Heber...) .. 😉
He is... Director of a human nutrition center I... Director of the National Cancer InstituteI mean, if a guy spends twenty years obsessively studying proteins, plants, and how they actually mess with or help the body... and then he turns around and says soy protein is the absolute best and healthiest option out there? Well, honestly, I’m taking his word for it... 🙂

The president of the American dietary association is actually claiming that sugar has absolutely nothing to do with developing diabetes! I mean, you just have to sit there and wrap your head around that one... 😉 For a certain amount of money, pretty much anyone can be bought... though honestly, it might not even just be about the cash. There are all sorts of other pressures at play out there. They’ve managed to spin soy into this "superfood" miracle, but let’s be real—it definitely isn't healthy, at least not in the way most Americans consume it these days (I'm talking about tofu and all those other products made from unfermented soy). Now, look, soy can be healthy in certain forms... I just don't know what the deal is with those protein powders. If they contain isoflavones, or whatever the technical term is, then it’s definitely not great for guys... just because of that alone, regardless of anything else in the mix...

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 12, 2005

Hummer / Mayo said:If you’re hunting for the absolute best protein, look for these specs:
- saturated fat: 0 g (soy doesn't have any)
- cholesterol: 0 g (also zero)
- sugar: 0 g
- bioavailability index should be as high as possible—aim for 100 (that's why people mix soy and whey, which any nutritionist will tell you is the way to go)
- protein efficiency ratio (P.E.R.) - max 2.5

Soy is basically junk food, especially if you're a guy trying to pack on muscle. Generally speaking, it's not good for you... though there are a few products that are more or less okay, mostly things made exclusively from fermented soy, like tempeh, natto, or miso.

Check out the info under #8 Soy Articles: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=629609

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Side effects of protein supplements? Specifically the "artificial" ones in Health · Jul 11, 2005

Hummer / Mayo said:You can just mix protein with juice, so if anyone’s struggling with lactose, they’re totally fine... 🙂

It really just comes down to how it tastes, and there are a million different recipes out there... 😉

To be honest, I wasn't even thinking about what to mix it with, I was just wondering if they have lactose in them by themselves—so they don't—thanks.

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