Posts by redheron12

cosmicridge5 said:Barack Obama, are you kidding me?! 😂 You're citing your own "source" from this specific thread— 🤣 I was just quoting a snippet from YOUR source, redheron12.🙂 🤣

My sources were actually mostly from CBS, honey—😁 people who, if they even bother "rooting" for anyone, would likely be rooting for you first.😘

Hmm—it's a classic diversion tactic. By attacking me personally, you're trying to shift the focus away from the fact that Domenicali is being totally inconsistent—mostly because he's terrified someone (looking at you, Alonso) will call him out for lacking any real aggression.

cosmicridge5 said:Just a quick question from me— When? They received those warnings—and honestly, I wonder if Robert had already gained too much ground due to his technical issue. It really makes you question whether he even should have yielded the position in the first place, given how far ahead he was. He really pushed through—it was quite a feat, actually. Regardless of where we stand on that—but let's set that aside for now—the real question is how the whole thing actually unfolded.

Ferrari says this: By the time race control told us to hand the position back to Robert, it was already clear he’d lost far too much ground—he was clearly struggling out there and just couldn't make up the gap.

If they were handed warnings back then, what exactly was the move? — unless you expect Alonso to just throw the car into reverse, drive backward through the field, and pull up right behind Robert? 😁

Maybe you should dig around for another source—f1racing is nothing more than basic fan propaganda.

"I actually hopped on the radio and suggested to the crew that if they just swapped positions again, we could avoid having the stewards step in," he told an American racing magazine. "We told Ferrari three times—quite clearly, in my view—that they really ought to let Robert have that position back."

We gave them the call right after the overtake happened—immediately—but they just didn't act on it. By the time that third message finally came through, Robert was already way too far back to make the pass work again.

On Monday, Stefano Domenicali mentioned that—well, he noted that... Monday that Ferrari needed to wait for The FIA's Final decision about whether Alonso should give Back The Place—it’s one of those tense, lingering moments where everything just hangs in the balance. Monday that Ferrari needed to wait for The FIA's Final decision about whether Alonso should give Back The Place — a situation that feels incredibly tense.Otherwise—and I say this quite sincerely—we’d just face the criticism that we weren't being aggressive enough.".

I honestly can't wrap my head around who would actually accuse Domenicali of not being aggressive enough—it just seems so out of left field. 🤔

Nicole Reyes97 said:Yeah, exactly... that "diva squad" will always be at each other's throats—while the rest of the drivers (the smart, objective, level-headed ones) just sit around waiting—like crows circling a scrap—for some "Alonso situation" they can use to nail him to the cross even harder. ☕

That's just how it goes, I guess. Even a few years back, people started nitpicking and twisting the rulebook just to see if it would give Ferrari an edge—back when they had those behind-the-scenes deals with Fio and were basically the only ones the FIA sided with while everyone else was pushing for the new Concorde Agreement.

That whole approach has led us here—where everyone spends their time dissecting regulations and hunting for loopholes to outsmart one another. Races have turned into soap operas with zero action or actual risk, where the lawyers end up being the most important players on the grid.

Up until yesterday, the target was Lewis Hamilton; today, it’s Alonso; tomorrow, it’ll be someone else entirely. It sucks, but when Ferrari was dominant and had all those connections back in the day, everyone was happy to play along—now, they can deal with the consequences.

In the meantime, my guys learned how to skirt the rules ever so subtly—and they still have plenty of credit left from all that nonsense in the past. Great for them, I suppose—bad luck for everyone else.

cosmicridge5 said:Oh, come on... 😁

Is it possible they just didn't tell him until Robert Kubica was already way back there? He was trailing by quite a bit by then—honestly. 🤷

So, what you're saying is Fernando Alonso should have just put it in reverse to hand over the spot? 🤣

I'm not sure which part of "immediately, the second he overtook him" isn't making sense to you. 😛

It’s really no surprise that Lojzek is staying quiet—honestly. It also makes sense why they took so long to hand down the penalty; it feels like they were essentially giving him a window to wiggle out of the mess—but well, Lojzek just operates on his own logic. 🤣

stormybadger8 said:That might have held true for last season—but not this one. This year, Ferrari is just trying to finish races; once we hit the second half of the schedule, it’s the same old story—your team packs up and heads home. 😬

😁And then the cat ate the canary.

cosmicridge5 said:Is he lacking guts, or is he just losing his mind? 😁 It really depends on how you interpret this whole "unrequited" situation.

By that logic, we could say Jenson Button lacks courage because he always plays it safe... but I actually think it's the exact opposite—it isn't about guts at all, but rather about having the wisdom and the composure to not drive headfirst into a wall.

Beyond that, that's exactly what worries me 😁 That a younger driver might "learn" the wrong lesson from this—that you have to crash into a wild driver like Mark Webber (wasting both his own points and Webber's) just to stop him from acting like an idiot.

It’s honestly tragic if respect has to be earned that way—the old Michael Schumacher style—🤷 especially coming from someone much older who should be showing more maturity as a veteran teammate. .

And it’s a shame if people value Webber's aggressive, often dirty, and cutthroat driving over someone intelligent and balanced, like Button for instance.

It’s also funny how Webber's constant whining (😛 😁) has suddenly won everyone over—even though he should really be thanking his lucky stars he even landed a seat in this car—while we don't hear a single complaint from Button about being treated like a number two driver, or about how they prioritized Lewis's car for qualifying while he barely made it out of Qualifying 2. 🙂 It's like how some guys just don't complain about unfair treatment, even when they're the reigning world champion... whereas what is Webber? Besides being as old as the Bible? 😳

Don't compare Sebastian Vettel to Jenson Button. Button consistently finishes high up and scores points by driving patiently, avoiding unnecessary risks and waiting for his moment, whereas Vettel constantly tries too hard and ends up with disastrous results.

cosmicridge5 said:Where are you even getting that from? 😕 It simply isn't true 🤷

Take, for instance, his statement on CBS right after the race...

I’d say the kid is slowly finding his footing 😍 and he'll definitely pull himself together.

Beyond that—and I really mean this—it can't be easy for a guy barely 23 years old to be in this position, dealing with a much older, aggressive Mark Webber, especially given the current team atmosphere (which, if you ask me, he hasn't contributed much to). Honestly, I think plenty of drivers who are significantly older and more mature would handle this pressure far worse than he is. He's actually behaving quite well 🤷 In fact, looking at how Mark and he interact, you'd almost think their ages and experience levels were reversed.

That’s also my biggest grievance with Mark—he’s got way too many years under his belt to be acting out like this, both on and off the track.

It’s easy for them to say these things to the media—they aren't even in the same league as Fernando Alonso anyway. What matters is what happens on the track, and Vettel consistently delivers there.

Webber has nothing to fear from Vettel; his experience has taught him that being blunt is enough, especially since the kid doesn't have the guts to push back, no matter the consequences.

In the long run, that's a bad approach for Webber, but let's face it—he won't be driving for another 15 years, while Vettel intends to. Vettel should have used this moment to command respect, but he's doing the exact opposite; eventually, nobody is going to fear or respect him.

He'll end up just like Giancarlo Fisichella.🤷

I’m honestly hoping to see Fernando Alonso get back into that podium fight over the next few races. Given how much Red Bull is dominating right now, any extra points McLaren can scrape together will be vital 👍

Roger Wright94 said:I have to disagree with you there—we just see this differently.

Personally, I feel the issues started right after Lewis Hamilton had that incredible season opener.
If you're talking about technical specs, sure—but what about the crew in the garage?

What about the garage? 🤷

Dammit, surely even the biggest skeptic has to admit—after three years of stellar driving—that Lewis is genuinely fast and talented. It isn't about "special treatment"; he was truly competitive against Fernando Alonso.🤷

Roger Wright94 said:Are you trying to tell me that Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton were treated exactly the same by Ferrari that year?

Otherwise—hats off to Lewis for that season. Honestly, I might have even felt for him if Kimi Räikkönen hadn't snatched the title. It was really just the pressure and that rookie energy that kept him from winning; I don't know how else to read those last two races—it clearly wasn't a lack of talent on his part.

But you're going to have a hard time convincing me he wasn't the team's favorite.

It’s all about perception.

When you have a rookie and a two-time world champion in the same garage, it should be obvious who the lead driver is and who is there to learn the ropes. To claim they were equals—well, that feels almost disrespectful to the veteran, and in a way, it favors the rookie. At the end of the day, though, they both hit the track under identical conditions—they essentially created their own mess.

Lewis actually refused a team order to let Fernando Alonso pass during qualifying—if he had truly been the favorite, he never would have been given an order like that in the first place. Then, in the pits, Alonso ended up blocking Lewis. It was their own drama to deal with.

A separate issue is that Alonso, not knowing how to settle things with Lewis, decided to go to war with the entire organization instead. After tearing the team apart and airing all that dirty laundry in public, it’s no surprise he lost his standing at Ferrari. Still, to be fair, he had the same technical setup on track as Lewis did. And in the end, that's exactly why we lost the championship.

stormybadger8 said:Mark Webber just isn't on that level—it's hard to argue against it. Sebastian Vettel clearly has the raw speed and talent, but he lacks the maturity and the seasoning. Honestly, seeing him jump over to Red Bull Racing feels less like a promotion and more like a step backward in terms of his overall progression.😢 It all looks a bit messy right now—they're trying to manufacture this massive superstar out of him, even though he hasn't earned that status yet, instead of actually supporting his development. It’s frustrating to watch a team fail to commit to a clear Number 1 and Number 2 hierarchy; it's doing him more harm than good.👎

If Vettel truly possessed the level of talent they claim, things would have stabilized by now.

He's far from being a rookie, and while Webber might not be considered an elite tier driver either, Vettel still hasn't managed to hold his own against him.

Think back to 2007 with Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso—Lewis was practically a newcomer stepping into a car alongside a reigning world champion, and despite much higher stakes and tension, Hamilton was able to push back against Alonso quite effectively, all without any of the unnecessary drama on the track.

That’s just how McLaren handles things—with such grace and elegance 😁

"Jenson, sorry buddy—we totally missed removing a cooling cover from the air intake"

A tough race out there 😛

McLaren looked great—Hamilton held his own given the circumstances, and Button was just phenomenal, staying cool and collected to grab 4th.

I mentioned after the last race how encouraging it was to see McLaren competitive even with the old package—and it turned out to be true. Now we have some breathing room to fine-tune the new diffuser without losing our edge; in fact, Lewis actually extended his lead.

Typical Red Bull—it feels like they have to have some kind of disaster every single race, almost as if Newey is the only one running the show... though I suppose 🤔 he actually is 🤣.

Ferrari is a complete circus 😂—desperate from lights out to the checkered flag, and then Mansell came along to spice things up for them 🤣.

Rosberg, Barrichello, Kobayashi, and Kubica were all solid—Sutil and Liu look interesting, while the veteran is just coasting through retirement.

That’s about it from me 😛.

cosmicviper10 said:Come on, man, let's not get all worked up over nothing... I mean, who even cares? It’s just that a massive presence from Formula 1 is heading straight for Washington, D.C., bringing the mechanics and the actual car with them... and I honestly think it's going to catch the eye of anyone out there who actually gives a damn about Formula 1...

Look, let's be real—Michael Schumacher isn't exactly a legend of that scale anymore, and if they even bring a car, it'll probably just be some plastic model. Even the Ferrari crew isn't anything special—unless you count them playing around with fuel hoses.

It might be cool for people who have never seen a race car in person, but honestly, they'll just end up disappointed. It's definitely not worth braving this heat for.

What if Yamamoto took over for Ayrton Senna? If he and Kamui Kobayashi can't get their act together—well, we'd certainly see some chaos on the track 😁

The guys over at Red Bull are basically just living on wishful thinking at this point

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ory/22432.html

Amanda Kelly said:Look, stormyviper11 is an authority, or at least someone whose opinion carries more weight than most, for good reason.

You're kind of contradicting yourself here. 😁

He would only truly be an authority if he held some kind of executive power within the FIA or FOTA. 🤷

But honestly, if I didn't value his perspective, I wouldn't even bother asking him for a comment in the first place.

Amanda Kelly said:Alright, redheron12, what's the deal with Alonso now?
Since stormyviper11 is clearly the ultimate authority here, I guess whatever he says is the absolute truth. He missed mentioning Alonso—which, fine, that's probably the least important part of this whole saga—but should he have added something?

Go ahead, tell me (from your side of things) what he actually should have done in that situation. What would you have done? What would you personally do if you were sitting in his seat?
What makes him different from any other driver? Or is Alonso just in a league of his own?

Why the sudden intensity?

stormyviper11 isn't an authority, per se—but I would be genuinely interested to hear his take on Ferrari's current form and whether they actually stand a chance at the title.

And while we're at it, I'd love to know his thoughts on Alonso and this whole ongoing drama—is this just typical behavior, or is there some deep-seated personal friction going on? Also, where does he see Alonso fitting into the long-term structure at Ferrari?

Really solid breakdown, stormyviper11—everything you listed hits the mark and I don't disagree with any of it. My only regret is that you didn't touch upon Alonso and his sheer obsession with Hamilton during that stretch—or just the general state of affairs at Ferrari back then.

Amanda Kelly said:Oh right, does it actually matter if Lewis finishes with 18 more points or 18 fewer? Just a tiny detail.

Here, 🙏 because I just love that level of confidence.

In reality, it doesn't matter—the points still go to McLaren, and Alonso's deficit remains exactly the same, so there's no actual gain for Alonso.🤷