left here said:hm... yeah, I guess you could put it that way🙂
except I wouldn't define intelligence as this conscious ability to think. To me, it’s more like an unconscious capacity for abstract reasoning that eventually manifests as that visible IQ score we see later on.🙂
In an unpredictable situation, a kid is forced to react to stress using abstraction—and honestly, I'd say that process is subconscious... before it becomes deeply ingrained.
.... so, isn't that all pretty logical to you?
Partially, sure, but not entirely... Personally, I don't buy that there's a direct link between being "forced" to think at some stage in life and having psychological issues down the road... Before you even get to that, there's the connection between self-esteem development and how someone perceives the world during those sensitive years... I'd argue that things like depression actually stem from a deep-seated sense of abandonment, ingrained defeatism, or specific circumstances that caused that mindset in the first place... or maybe even just learned behaviors (yawning is contagious, right? So are mental illnesses).
Intelligence might just be a byproduct, because someone had to think a little harder and—most likely—neglect other parts of their life in the process... That's why (in my opinion) these types of people aren't just smart, they often seem overly serious or prematurely mature... almost like they had to skip a chapter of their childhood.
Lawrence Robinson11 said:Most people dealing with mental illness—and I mean a huge chunk of them, including those prone to depression—were essentially shaped by whatever trauma they went through during those first four years of life. It’s like, because they were forced into situations where they couldn't just be carefree anymore, that early stress actually triggers the development of abstract thinking.
.... I hope I didn't make that sound too confusing or messy 😂
No you didn't 🙂
Can you explain what you mean by "at a certain point when they weren't carefree... they develop abstract thinking"?
My liver keeps acting up—it’s not like an intense pain or anything, just this constant, dull ache... I mean, I dealt with some serious issues there a few years back... I try to be pretty careful about what I eat, though...
Is this kind of pain something I should actually be worried about?
Look, your liver doesn't even have to hurt... And there’s no way you can just tell if it's enlarged based on some description either; you'd only know if you actually felt it yourself.
Look... intelligence isn't just some random concept someone made up for fun. There are tons of different cognitive abilities out there, and you can measure each one of them pretty precisely. And from what I gather, professionals rarely just talk about "intelligence" anymore; they focus more on specific types of cognitive skills.
Nowadays, there are psychological assessment procedures where you can measure every single one of those traits. All the current intelligence tests are designed to capture the full spectrum—from the highest levels to the lowest. The examiner doesn't even need to be some kind of genius to spot a high IQ; they just hand over the test and then compare the results against the scoring key on their sheet.😉
The only field where the other person actually needs to be at a certain level is psychoanalysis. A psychiatrist—specifically a psychoanalyst, which is a subspecialty—has to undergo long-term psychoanalysis themselves, on top of their formal education, just to be able to do their job properly.
It’s always so easy for people to label intelligent folks they don't understand as having personality disorders, narcissism, and all that crap. But to me, that just feels like a sign of limited vision—of the observer, not the person being observed. It’s an outright refusal to accept that there are ways of thinking, patterns of behavior, and motives that are simply different from our own... Just to remind everyone, it was because of those exact same attitudes toward "difference" that we wiped out Native Americans, the Accenture, Aboriginals, and all sorts of other cultures we deemed... less valuable...
Personally, I think we really need to work on developing a culture of respecting diversity. And after that, maybe we can learn to respect the people who have actually made our society better, more advanced, and more beautiful through their intellect and talent... and maybe ask ourselves why those people were almost always isolated. We could say Michelangelo had Asperger's, or that Tesla was an eccentric, but despite their intelligence, they often possessed a sense of nobility or empathy. To me, at least, those are the qualities that make certain people truly stand above the rest.
Look, I think someone totally misread what I was getting at, obviously 😢
In my opinion, smarter people tend to experience a much wider spectrum of emotions—you know, more subtle gradations between them. That’s a quality in itself, but it also comes with some serious risks... So, I guess they might be easier to hurt, but then again, if they’re actually more intelligent, they should theoretically handle the fallout better...
The only way I've found to categorize intelligence that actually makes sense is: - intrapersonal (understanding your own headspace, emotional intelligence) - interpersonal (social intelligence) - mathematical/logical (the stuff that usually gets tested... you know, Walter Myers4, those little circles and squares you were filling out yesterday 😉 ) - verbal - mechanical/spatial
There are more categories, too, but I've already forgotten the rest of them.. Personally, I don't think anyone actually develops every single type of intelligence. Still, having only one developed is a huge handicap; you really need at least two to get by
So, if I recall correctly, I read somewhere that highly intelligent people sit about 30% above the average IQ—you know, where the bell curve starts separating from the rest of the crowd... There’s this old theory floating around that being smarter on average just makes you more miserable. It's because you're stuck in a sea of people who don't quite get it, so finding someone actually worth talking to becomes a nightmare, or you start noticing all these tiny, annoying nuances in people's characters that everyone else just misses...
Which means, I guess, we could probably ask if being smarter actually leads to higher rates of depression...
Then again, there's this whole cluster of psychological issues that I’d personally label as just "immaturity"... things like kleptomania, certain sexual dysfunctions, and stuff like that... In my layman's view, I don't think highly intelligent people would deal with those kinds of issues more often; if anything, they'd probably have fewer of them...
So, what kind of illnesses are we even looking for when it comes to the smart crowd?
tatiana said:I wouldn't go that far. Men are physically stronger, so I guess that’s why they turn violent more often—it’s just easier to overpower someone weaker, right? I mean, I also think that woman from the Alphabet forum who was getting into bar fights, drinking heavily, and then supposedly "defending" her husband isn't exactly the best role model. But honestly, it all fits together—domestic murders can happen for all sorts of reasons. It doesn't always have to be about pure hatred or jealousy.
Men are physically violent, while women... they're more psychological....
velvetotter26 said:since men are the violent ones in like 90 percent of cases, not women.
By the way, did anyone catch that news segment on CNN yesterday? The one about domestic homicides? 😲 There was this story about some crazy woman who killed her husband after only being married for three months. 😱 Honestly, some Hollywood director could probably sweep the Oscars if they turned that into a movie.
Men are mostly just psychologically abusive, I guess... nothing more than that most of the time. Women are mostly just psychologically abusive, I guess... nothing more than that most of the time.
It’s been established for a long time now that violent people are pretty much evenly distributed between men and women...
Yeah, I watched that CNN report... Man... I think maybe CNN just latched onto one extreme example that isn't really representative of what actually happens out there.
A 0.08 BAC is a 0.08 BAC... I don't care what anyone thinks about it... honestly, I think there are just more people out there dealing with schizophrenia... And what exactly drives them to act like that? It’s probably better to just look at the general anatomy of human aggression. If you actually study all the different ways people lash out, you might realize there are countless forms of aggression. You have to look at them all together... though, I guess the real question is how that specific negative energy eventually manifests itself...