ruggedwolf said:Thanks for clearing that up for me. You could have just been upfront about it when I asked earlier, you know?
When I see who you're actually siding with, it really makes me rethink things—I mean, seeing how you qualify a "twisted mind" almost makes me respect your perspective, as long as I'm on the other side of it. Just another one of your "compliments," I guess... though, honestly, it doesn't even surprise me anymore.
I find myself surprised, unlike you, because this is the first time I’ve seen Dervish (Tyler Scott3) in this light. I have remained silent for quite some time, simply hoping to restore some peace to this Reddit community. Regarding everyone else who posts here—I have actually tried to calm them all down via private message. Every single one of them, without exception. They know that.
Well, I suppose the time has finally come for some actual human conversation. Maybe what I’m about to write will turn out to be something worthwhile... perhaps even a bit of insight. The whole thing really started when Tyler Scott3 began getting visibly agitated, which eventually spiraled into this entire thread:
On the Islam-114 thread (which is now titled "Interfaith marriages"), you asked FMN for a specific Quranic verse that would prove a Muslim woman leaves the faith if she marries a non-Muslim.
Instead of addressing what you actually asked, FMN just gave you an answer that felt like a personal dig—especially given how clearly you framed your question. It basically exposes the hypocrisy there. I think the verses make that quite obvious, so I’ll just quote one here:
4:141Those who sit around waiting to see how things turn out with you—well, if God grants you victory, they’ll just claim, “Weren’t we on your side all along?” But if luck happens to favor the non-believers, they’ll pivot and say, “Couldn't we have beaten you, and didn't we protect you from the believers?” On Judgment Day, God will pass judgment on everyone. Ultimately, God won't allow the non-believers to destroy the believers.
The implication behind FMN’s guidance on this point is essentially this: "You are being hypocritical, just like those mentioned in that verse." In other words, FMN is basically telling you, "You aren't running in the same pack as us, and that's why you're acting like hypocrites."
I ended up nuking that FMN post because it was nothing more than trolling—just throwing out meaningless arguments to dodge a clear question and discredit the entire conversation. That’s essentially what they were doing. It felt less like a discussion and more like this:
Tomorrow it will rain.
"Yeah, mostly because I picked up a citation for improper driving."
You deserve that punishment, considering you were born forty-eight years ago on a Sunday morning at 10:00 AM.
This is more or less how the FMN attempt (and later the Dervish version) looks when they try to explain to you that verse 4:141 effectively excommunicates a sister from Islam.
Dervish tried to lecture you—and me, for that matter—about how we just didn't grasp that this was all about male supremacy over women. I went back and checked the verse again, though, and I don't see any connection there. 😍
Using that relentless, "Monty Python-esque" logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s pretty obvious to any sensible person that the verse doesn't—not even in the most abstract sense imaginable—refer to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python wouldn't try to make that connection. But I guess that's just how FMN and Dervish operate.
Someone was complaining that you're a hypocrite—basically calling you a half-believer. Someone even went as far as to call you a "half-brother" (either to you or to the Sunnah, I can't quite remember because I'm just exhausted).
So, it’s pretty clear—though I suppose I should say I appreciate how clearly you see through this. Everything Dervish was whining about in that opening post (all that stuff regarding the Church and gay marriage, claiming Catholic rights are under threat, and so on), along with all those links he shared, was really just a smokescreen. It seems like he was just trying to mask his true motive. He wanted an excuse to back away because he knew he'd embarrassed himself. And honestly, the most disappointing part is that instead of actually stepping back for a while, he’s still out here complaining about something else. He really ought to have offered a sincere apology, first to the Sunnah community and then to you. A real, heartfelt apology, acknowledging exactly where he went wrong.
7. He was actually doing well here and seemed to be on the right track. But then those users—who just recently joined this Reddit community—started hitting him up in his DMs, accusing him of "betrayal." So, he retreated to his old ways. And in doing so, he lost a friend (he knows he did).
7. Now, they’re all playing the victim. Both he and those users are acting naive, trying to claim they were treated "unfairly," when in reality, they were the ones being unjust and throwing insults—mostly at you and your sister, Sunnah. They even have the nerve to expect an apology for their own rudeness... honestly, the audacity.
8. Regarding that thread on "Interfaith marriages," most of these users avoided taking a side. Even though they saw exactly what was happening and how disgraceful it was. Only boldgull19 wrote (under a different handle) that she supports Sunnah. That was kind of her, even if she used a different username. Though, it might have been better if she had warned Dervish that what he's doing is frankly tragicomic. boldgull19 is a good person, which makes her the biggest victim of this whole topic
because she's the one who's going to truly suffer since she cares about this forum. She can't just walk away from a brother she cares about (Dervish), even though she realizes he's the one who created this mess for himself.
If Dervish understood that even a little bit, he would have stopped this nonsense instantly, come back to the forum, and let time heal everything. But I know he doesn't. He definitely doesn't need to come back for my sake, because I'm finally over it, just as you might be here. That's all there is to it. Dervish, you succeeded and then you lost a brother. He just doesn't seem to care anymore.
10. ruggedwolf, if you hadn't spoken up here, things might have stayed quiet. I stayed silent toward him for that reason. Even if it meant appearing, as you put it, "humiliated"—though I know you weren't. Perhaps staying quiet would have been better. I truly believed everyone deserves a chance to make mistakes, including Dervish. But I understand why you couldn't stay silent about the constant insults you've been facing, especially again in this thread.
11. As for the insults directed at Scott Nguyen2, Kate Phillips40 and the rest of that crowd won't say a single word about it. It's easier for them to attack rowdyhawk10 just to cover up Dervish's insult toward you: -
"God will humiliate you even more than he already has..." 🙄
It's just a matter of time before someone starts joking:
"You're a woman anyway... you were born to endure men like that".
To me, if it means anything, you are a wonderful person. Truly. Just like Bradley Davis33. God hasn't humiliated you; Dervish is just lying willfully. We both know the truth will come out eventually.
11. In the end... I'm glad you noticed that Scott Nguyen2 is getting involved now, whereas he wouldn't touch this topic 15 days ago when the insults were flying. You asked the right question: where was he then to condemn the injustice and all the lies written by his "friends"? Where was he to criticize, even symbolically, the people writing those lies? Instead, he even went as far as to say
"he won't get involved"... you caught that perfectly! I mentioned to him in my previous post: Simona realized years ago how hollow that kind of behavior is. Here, it's the same thing; he explicitly said, "Sunnah, don't give up." You noticed that too—and he only said it because he didn't want to "offend" certain users, specifically the majority he is now protesting so desperately.
Back then, he stayed out of it. Now, suddenly, he wants to be right in the middle of it. 🤣
Furthermore, you correctly pointed out how he's siding with the mob that's lynching people. It was the same way when rapidmaker6 was under fire. Those double standards disgust me, just as they disgust you.
12. I believe you're most upset about the insults thrown at your sister, Sunnah. I am too. But she is strong. She has more integrity than many who think they are superior just because they are "men." While they were saying the most vile things to her, she endured it with dignity. That shows the true beauty of her character.
That's all from me.
Alem XCS
I’ve written this much just for one specific reason. I wanted to
ask you again not to stop posting on Reddit. Self-banning just drags out the agony, and it gives certain people the false impression that you're weak—that they can easily manipulate your emotions by saying things like:
- "Alem, God has humbled you"
- "Oh, not again? Fine, I'll self-ban for another 15 days"...
That time has passed, and I’d ask that you don't do that anymore because there really isn't any point. Besides, if I understood you correctly, you've become indifferent to the insults. I certainly have. Peace 🙂