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Tyler Scott3 said:Wait, a complaint specifically about me?

The situation with Nicole James was the exact same. She jumps into threads and clears out anyone who disagrees.

Only difference is she's smarter about it. She stepped back to let us vent here.

But I'm not buying it.

Look, she doesn't even have to reply, but I want it known that I see what's happening—and so do the other users watching this. If she doesn't feel the need to defend her moderator honor, fine by me.

It really speaks to the kind of community we're building here, among other things.🙂

Nicole James doesn't really have anything left to say once you've stated right here on the Reddit that you're heading out.
The core issue of this thread seems settled, I suppose. And honestly, she's probably sharper than both you and me. 😛
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Change the color to red. 😢

You should probably just head back to the Reddit. 🙂 Or go ahead and open a new complaint specifically about me if you want.
The topic here was regarding our colleague Nicole James, and we've already settled it.
It would have been much smarter if you had just stayed on this. 😢 Peace
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Tyler Scott3 said:You really don't get it. Fine, you're narrow-minded. Whatever. It is what it is.

Anyway, peace be upon you. I thought you were a bad person, but you're just limited. It's not a big deal. At least you're healthy.👍

Fine, let's just say I am. Are you finally planning on coming back to Reddit? 🙂
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Tyler Scott3 said:rowdyhawk10.
Using that relentless "Monty Python" style logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s obvious to any sane person that the verse in no way — not even in the most abstract possible combinations — refers to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python couldn't make a stretch that ridiculous. But apparently, that's where FMN and Dervish are headed.

For the first graders here:

Let me know when you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what's written there.

P.S. The blue text is a link you need to click, then read the text that pops up. Thx.

And stop spamming my thread. This whole thing is just a display of how incompetent moderators Nicole James and rowdyhawk10 are.
rowdyhawk10 can't grasp the text in the link, and Nicole James is biased—she knows it too, but she's just out there acting like she's got college duties to attend to...

rowdyhawk10.

For first graders.
Once you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what’s actually written there, let me know.
P.S. The blue text represents links you should click on, and then you can read whatever pops up after that. Thanks.[/I]

Man, brother... listen.
Look, get this straight. Nobody is claiming it’s actually permitted. No one is saying it isn't a sin, either. We're simply stating that it doesn't result in leaving Islam—and honestly, we settled that debate a long time ago, didn't we? Semek already laid it out. [Link] Straight from the official Islamic Community of America website. Here it is: A Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim is considered a major sin, though it doesn't technically take her out of the faith. So, I suppose her prayers, fasting, and other good deeds would still be valid...This discussion really should have ended already. I guess there isn't much point in dragging it out further. You might want to remember that you're in the same position yourself. Here. He actually wrote that he was mistaken?!?! 🙄 It was quite nice of you to say that back then.

And one more thing. FMN wasn't banned because of ruggedwolf, I swear to God! It was actually because of what he said to Salaf: I’d honestly be happy to take a three-day ban... because I’ll just tell you exactly what you are—a complete idiot, a total jerk, and so on. So go ahead, ban me now. I'm not entirely sure exactly what he said or what kind of insults he threw out there. But apparently, that's why he got banned, rather than for citing Quranic Verse 4.141. Personally, I feel like he only cost us about 30 points. Honestly, the world wouldn't have ended, and FMN could have just kept posting on Reddit.

Dervish, I swear by whatever you hold most dear, please don't let these trolls get to you anymore. You were so kind yesterday, checking in on me, Nicole James, and everyone else. Kenneth Peterson5 was absolutely thrilled, and honestly, I was too. I suspect you were feeling pretty good about it as well. A lot of us felt that sense of connection. So why go back to this? Why would you let a few trolls slide into your DMs and manipulate you into thinking you somehow "betrayed" the cause? I suppose one might wonder when exactly what you accomplished yesterday actually counted as a true victory.Can we please go back to yesterday’s decision? It seems like a lot of people are getting emotional over this. You should really get back to discussing Religion with everyone else; I guess this isn't the only thing Islam has to offer. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe try reaching out to ruggedwolf in a private message to clear the air? Connect with the Sunnah again. Listen to what Bradley Davis33 has to say. We need to breathe some life back into the Techie community. Let's stand up against those who want to undermine us and enrich Islam-114. There are so many topics waiting for answers. Just... maybe don't keep going down that path with ruggedwolf. Perhaps you two just aren't seeing eye to eye. Please come back to the Reddit community; it's becoming far too costly otherwise. Is our community really meant to be destroyed like this? What is the actual price of that? Peace.
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ruggedwolf said:Kate Phillips40
Honestly, you’re the one who should be feeling embarrassed here!
Did you even bother reading what I actually wrote? Where did I ever claim that something forbidden was permitted? Just go ahead—try and find a single post of mine where I advocated for anything prohibited. Find me one post on this topic where I insulted anyone. My actual stance was simply that marrying a non-Muslim is forbidden (and no, before you ask, I am not married to a non-Muslim)—that it is a major sin, yes, but that such an act doesn't take a person out of the faith, which aligns perfectly with the position held by the Islamic Community. After I shared that view, people started attacking me for it, not to mention the direct and indirect insults hurled at Sister Sunnah, who is married to a Catholic. How can you lie about this so easily?!

There—take it and look for yourself! You’re trying to make a fool out of me and convince me of something that just isn't true. Just look at the reactions from those watching from the sidelines at the end of the thread—what did they see? Did they see me insulting anyone or anyone else? Just read it!

They aren't going to find a post like yours. They won't give it to you. You’re calling out someone who isn't even listening, and you're writing to someone who doesn't understand you—yet you still insist on playing the victim through trolling. Just another one of those people who acts tough when... In the mass.It’s possible they don't even understand you at all. Not Dervish, nor Jack Wood43... They just don't. They don't want to. Understood.

ruggedwolf, there's no point in calling out someone who isn't listening. I guess maybe you and I should just step away from this discussion altogether? 🙄 Don't you see there's just no real drive to get past this? It feels like we're just circling the drain instead. I honestly don't see what good comes from dragging this out any longer. To be fair, I'm only still here because you are, but it’s taking up a massive amount of my time and peace of mind. Can we please just walk away from this discussion once and for all? Peace.
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Kate Phillips40 said:I figured I’d drop a few more thoughts here, which might actually be my last ones on this Reddit thread.
I've been lurking here for years, though I only recently became an active member. I remember sitting down with a coffee years ago, opening this site hoping to find some actual wisdom and constructive talk from our brothers, especially Scott Nguyen2. They’ve truly done so much good here, and plenty of people have benefited from their knowledge. May God reward them for all the effort they've put in over the years to share our honorable faith with others. Amen!

But looking at the situation today and everything that’s gone down, I’m honestly at a loss for words. I don't even know what to think or do anymore...
I just want to ask you directly, rowdyhawk10:

"Why are you doing all this, brother?"

Every time we settle one issue, you go and create another one—like right now, making these totally baseless and unproven accusations against certain brothers and labeling them 'terrorists.'

Those are heavy words, man. Those are serious public accusations you're throwing around. Black & White has every right to take legal action against you now for these claims made against him and other users on this platform. Do you even know the professional definition of 'terrorism'? Or any of the other terms you toss around so carelessly? Scott Nguyen2 pointed out perfectly that 'radicalism' is one thing, while 'terrorism' is something else entirely. I stand by everything he wrote, as well as most of what Black-White said.

I’m not going to waste any more breath on what you and Nicole James are doing. You’ve turned this Religion PDF into something that looks like anything except what its title suggests. Nicole James and her atheist crowd are basically running an 'Anonymous Atheists Inc.' through this PDF, aggressively targeting believers of all denominations. They dismiss and insult everyone using a vocabulary filled with vulgar and rude language. Now, you even have members on this same PDF using handles like 'dick sheep' and stuff like that...

No decent believer or reasonable person should bother posting here anymore. Honestly, a preschooler would probably do a better job moderating this PDF than you guys.
You reap what you sow.😉

In the end, I’m joining the brothers in the boycott. Until everyone comes back, I won't be writing another single word on this Reddit.

My advice to you, rowdyhawk10: either do a complete 180 and change your ways, or just resign. It's the only way to stop this tyranny being forced on the Americans who visit this site.

Our 'sacrifice' might not even make a difference, but let it stand as a cry for justice from all of us, so those who come after us can see what happened.

Peace to my brothers, and best wishes to the rest from your former member, Jasmin.

It’s a shame. This was someone who managed to put up exactly 172,000 posts in less than 10 months. 🙄
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ruggedwolf said:Thanks for clearing that up for me. You could have just been upfront about it when I asked earlier, you know?

When I see who you're actually siding with, it really makes me rethink things—I mean, seeing how you qualify a "twisted mind" almost makes me respect your perspective, as long as I'm on the other side of it. Just another one of your "compliments," I guess... though, honestly, it doesn't even surprise me anymore.

I find myself surprised, unlike you, because this is the first time I’ve seen Dervish (Tyler Scott3) in this light. I have remained silent for quite some time, simply hoping to restore some peace to this Reddit community. Regarding everyone else who posts here—I have actually tried to calm them all down via private message. Every single one of them, without exception. They know that.

Well, I suppose the time has finally come for some actual human conversation. Maybe what I’m about to write will turn out to be something worthwhile... perhaps even a bit of insight. The whole thing really started when Tyler Scott3 began getting visibly agitated, which eventually spiraled into this entire thread:

On the Islam-114 thread (which is now titled "Interfaith marriages"), you asked FMN for a specific Quranic verse that would prove a Muslim woman leaves the faith if she marries a non-Muslim.

Instead of addressing what you actually asked, FMN just gave you an answer that felt like a personal dig—especially given how clearly you framed your question. It basically exposes the hypocrisy there. I think the verses make that quite obvious, so I’ll just quote one here:


4:141Those who sit around waiting to see how things turn out with you—well, if God grants you victory, they’ll just claim, “Weren’t we on your side all along?” But if luck happens to favor the non-believers, they’ll pivot and say, “Couldn't we have beaten you, and didn't we protect you from the believers?” On Judgment Day, God will pass judgment on everyone. Ultimately, God won't allow the non-believers to destroy the believers.


The implication behind FMN’s guidance on this point is essentially this: "You are being hypocritical, just like those mentioned in that verse." In other words, FMN is basically telling you, "You aren't running in the same pack as us, and that's why you're acting like hypocrites."

I ended up nuking that FMN post because it was nothing more than trolling—just throwing out meaningless arguments to dodge a clear question and discredit the entire conversation. That’s essentially what they were doing. It felt less like a discussion and more like this:

Tomorrow it will rain.
"Yeah, mostly because I picked up a citation for improper driving."
You deserve that punishment, considering you were born forty-eight years ago on a Sunday morning at 10:00 AM.

This is more or less how the FMN attempt (and later the Dervish version) looks when they try to explain to you that verse 4:141 effectively excommunicates a sister from Islam.

Dervish tried to lecture you—and me, for that matter—about how we just didn't grasp that this was all about male supremacy over women. I went back and checked the verse again, though, and I don't see any connection there. 😍

Using that relentless, "Monty Python-esque" logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s pretty obvious to any sensible person that the verse doesn't—not even in the most abstract sense imaginable—refer to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python wouldn't try to make that connection. But I guess that's just how FMN and Dervish operate.

Someone was complaining that you're a hypocrite—basically calling you a half-believer. Someone even went as far as to call you a "half-brother" (either to you or to the Sunnah, I can't quite remember because I'm just exhausted).

So, it’s pretty clear—though I suppose I should say I appreciate how clearly you see through this. Everything Dervish was whining about in that opening post (all that stuff regarding the Church and gay marriage, claiming Catholic rights are under threat, and so on), along with all those links he shared, was really just a smokescreen. It seems like he was just trying to mask his true motive. He wanted an excuse to back away because he knew he'd embarrassed himself. And honestly, the most disappointing part is that instead of actually stepping back for a while, he’s still out here complaining about something else. He really ought to have offered a sincere apology, first to the Sunnah community and then to you. A real, heartfelt apology, acknowledging exactly where he went wrong.

7. He was actually doing well here and seemed to be on the right track. But then those users—who just recently joined this Reddit community—started hitting him up in his DMs, accusing him of "betrayal." So, he retreated to his old ways. And in doing so, he lost a friend (he knows he did).

7. Now, they’re all playing the victim. Both he and those users are acting naive, trying to claim they were treated "unfairly," when in reality, they were the ones being unjust and throwing insults—mostly at you and your sister, Sunnah. They even have the nerve to expect an apology for their own rudeness... honestly, the audacity.

8. Regarding that thread on "Interfaith marriages," most of these users avoided taking a side. Even though they saw exactly what was happening and how disgraceful it was. Only boldgull19 wrote (under a different handle) that she supports Sunnah. That was kind of her, even if she used a different username. Though, it might have been better if she had warned Dervish that what he's doing is frankly tragicomic. boldgull19 is a good person, which makes her the biggest victim of this whole topic because she's the one who's going to truly suffer since she cares about this forum. She can't just walk away from a brother she cares about (Dervish), even though she realizes he's the one who created this mess for himself.

If Dervish understood that even a little bit, he would have stopped this nonsense instantly, come back to the forum, and let time heal everything. But I know he doesn't. He definitely doesn't need to come back for my sake, because I'm finally over it, just as you might be here. That's all there is to it. Dervish, you succeeded and then you lost a brother. He just doesn't seem to care anymore.

10. ruggedwolf, if you hadn't spoken up here, things might have stayed quiet. I stayed silent toward him for that reason. Even if it meant appearing, as you put it, "humiliated"—though I know you weren't. Perhaps staying quiet would have been better. I truly believed everyone deserves a chance to make mistakes, including Dervish. But I understand why you couldn't stay silent about the constant insults you've been facing, especially again in this thread.

11. As for the insults directed at Scott Nguyen2, Kate Phillips40 and the rest of that crowd won't say a single word about it. It's easier for them to attack rowdyhawk10 just to cover up Dervish's insult toward you: -

"God will humiliate you even more than he already has..." 🙄

It's just a matter of time before someone starts joking: "You're a woman anyway... you were born to endure men like that".

To me, if it means anything, you are a wonderful person. Truly. Just like Bradley Davis33. God hasn't humiliated you; Dervish is just lying willfully. We both know the truth will come out eventually.

11. In the end... I'm glad you noticed that Scott Nguyen2 is getting involved now, whereas he wouldn't touch this topic 15 days ago when the insults were flying. You asked the right question: where was he then to condemn the injustice and all the lies written by his "friends"? Where was he to criticize, even symbolically, the people writing those lies? Instead, he even went as far as to say "he won't get involved"... you caught that perfectly! I mentioned to him in my previous post: Simona realized years ago how hollow that kind of behavior is. Here, it's the same thing; he explicitly said, "Sunnah, don't give up." You noticed that too—and he only said it because he didn't want to "offend" certain users, specifically the majority he is now protesting so desperately.

Back then, he stayed out of it. Now, suddenly, he wants to be right in the middle of it. 🤣

Furthermore, you correctly pointed out how he's siding with the mob that's lynching people. It was the same way when rapidmaker6 was under fire. Those double standards disgust me, just as they disgust you.

12. I believe you're most upset about the insults thrown at your sister, Sunnah. I am too. But she is strong. She has more integrity than many who think they are superior just because they are "men." While they were saying the most vile things to her, she endured it with dignity. That shows the true beauty of her character.

That's all from me.

Alem XCS
I’ve written this much just for one specific reason. I wanted to ask you again not to stop posting on Reddit. Self-banning just drags out the agony, and it gives certain people the false impression that you're weak—that they can easily manipulate your emotions by saying things like:

- "Alem, God has humbled you"
- "Oh, not again? Fine, I'll self-ban for another 15 days"...

That time has passed, and I’d ask that you don't do that anymore because there really isn't any point. Besides, if I understood you correctly, you've become indifferent to the insults. I certainly have. Peace 🙂
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Tyler Scott3 said:You guys have completely lost it. rowdyhawk10 and ruggedwolf. I’m the idiot for even bothering to argue with you people. Honestly, I might as well just ban myself.

Long live freedom from these sick forum minds. Viva la revolution!🙂:klap:

P.S. Nicole James is right about the anchoring. My bad, I apologize.

I wasn't actually arguing with you. I was merely hoping the situation might settle down. 😢
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Scott Nguyen2,
I wouldn't be writing this if I didn't feel compelled to, but you are clearly trying to mislead the users here. Unfortunately, you're falling back into that old pattern—the one a veteran user once described with such precision regarding (you know exactly who we're talking about). I had hoped you'd moved past this, and it seems my recent attempt to explain the error to you via private message was in vain. Don't say I didn't try to reach out.

It’s telling: right when Dervish announced his return—you really should have focused your energy on de-escalating the conflict between him and ruggedwolf. You can see exactly what kind of situation that is and where it's heading. Yet, you choose to stay "wise" and silent on that, while continuing to fuel the agony here. 🙄Just so we're clear, I am writing this for the sake of everyone else, not for you, Scott Nguyen2.

I don't have the energy to address every single one of your theories, but I will point out one particularly glaring one. In your description of the issue involving Damir and CB (ruggedstag7)—for which you are accusing me of moderator bias—you conveniently omitted the actual crux of this post. The reality is that Damir had previously written "Thank God that in the US we aren't ruled by laws where someone's head is cut off for leaving Islam". Consequently, CB responded with "So, you're essentially thanking God that His Sharia was abolished?"—and now you're blaming me for sanctioning such nonsense?! 🙄 Even someone with poor eyesight could see that CB is actually holding Damir responsible because he is allegedly "thanking God for the removal of God's law". By doing so, he is indirectly advocating for the execution of those who leave the faith (since he's blaming Damir for being against such executions, right?). It's a shame Damir doesn't see the logic in your spin. Naturally, we won't tolerate such anti-civilization and violent ideology (which, I suspect, even you don't actually agree with) here, and anyone promoting such views isn't welcome. That is our firm stance. This has nothing to do with "freedom of speech on the forum," but rather with the administration's clear commitment to preventing the promotion of anti-civilization values. Otherwise, why would rules exist at all, if not to prevent chaos? If this isn't clear to you or the black-and-white ruggedstag7, then I truly feel sorry for you.


The Guidelines , Section 9: Any form of expression that violates the Law of the United States is strictly prohibited. This includes incitement to violence, the commission of criminal acts, discrimination, and similar behaviors; the glorification of violence, crimes, or criminal regimes;...


Any reasonable person can see from this that decapitation (for someone leaving any religion) is considered anti-civilization from the standpoint of all global human rights charters.

Because choosing one's faith is a fundamental personal right. Oh, Scott Nguyen2! 🙄

That's all on that. I won't be responding to anything else because regarding your PREVIOUS post, I already told you that no actual arguments were provided. I am officially bowing out of any further discussion with you on this matter. Firstly, I don't have the time, and I certainly don't feel like writing essays about something I've already explained multiple times—something you well know isn't true (even though you persist): that this is not a place to promote terrorism or anti-civilization ideological norms. For the last time, for both you, ruggedstag7, and anyone else still confused: this is not a place to promote violence, terrorism, or anti-civilization ideological norms. The guidelines must be respected; those who follow them are welcome here. Those who don't, well, goodbye. I'm stepping away now; feel free to continue your boycott and protests.🙄 Hello
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ruggedwolf said:

rowdyhawk10 was actually the one who started this whole thing. And look, I wasn't planning on arguing anymore—not here and not via PM—which is why I just laid everything out at once. It really rubbed me the wrong way when he tried to blame me again for FMN being banned. FMN doesn't blame me; if he actually felt that way, he'd tell me himself so I wouldn't worry, but this guy keeps bringing it up every chance he gets.

Dervish, do you really want to see me get banned for another 20 days, huh? If I finally manage to pay for those three days FMN spent banned, could you please stop throwing it in my face? This current ban expires Monday night, right before the next one kicks in. There.
rowdyhawk10 was actually the one who started this whole thing. And look, I wasn't planning on arguing anymore—not here and not via PM—which is why I just laid everything out at once. It really rubbed me the wrong way when he tried to blame me again for FMN being banned. FMN doesn't blame me; if he actually felt that way, he'd tell me himself so I wouldn't worry, but this guy keeps bringing it up every chance he gets.

Dervish, do you really want to see me get banned for another 20 days, huh? If I finally manage to pay for those three days FMN spent banned, could you please stop throwing it in my face? This current ban expires Monday night, right before the next one kicks in. There.
ruggedwolf
I'm not quite sure why you keep choosing to self-ban like this. I suspect you won't actually achieve anything useful by doing so; it just seems to prolong the agony. In fact, it might even lead others to think you're admitting some kind of "guilt" by "fleeing" from the Reddit community. It might be worth thinking about that.
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Tyler Scott3 said:Hey.

I just wanted to have a quick word with the boss.😛

Thanks for reaching out, Nicole James. You could've done it sooner; I've been losing my mind here without the forum...
As for your explanation, you could've brought me a scoop of ice cream and I would've been right back.😍

But if I pointed out serious problems that need addressing over time, then yes, I did. That was the whole point.😉 Since other goals weren't met anyway.

Admins, rowdyhawk10, Nicole James... My apologies to everyone.🙂

Anyway, I'd like to get back into it, if nobody has an objection... or if someone wants to say something now...🙂

You're more than welcome, man. 🙂 It just isn't the same without you. You’ve got a scoop of ice cream waiting on the boardwalk. 😍
Look, I apologize if I'm at fault here. Even I make mistakes sometimes, I suppose. 😁 🤣
I would request that the discussion with Sister ruggedwolf comes to an end; this isn't really the appropriate place for it.

steelskipper5 said:Like I said already—get some new moderators on board.

If there aren't enough high-quality posters on this Reddit to step up as moderators—which, let's be honest, seems to be the case—then you guys are already running behind the curve.

And hey, maybe that pressure is actually a good thing—it might finally force you guys to actually do something about it.

Some high-quality reinforcement should be arriving soon, thank God. Probably within the next few days. 🙂

ruggedwolf said:But it’s not like that—it doesn't mean someone is kicked out of the faith—and I was actually just searching through everything to find exactly where it says that. That specific Quranic Verse isn't talking about being expelled from the religion. It's like how drinking alcohol is forbidden; sure, if you drink it, you're committing a sin, but you haven't left the faith unless you actually start claiming that sin is permissible. Even the official stance from the Islamic Community here in the States—which I quoted earlier—makes it clear that one isn't cast out of the religion.
Exactly—your reaction to sensitive Shady was what triggered that doubt regarding the FMN response, which basically means you led him astray in a way, and that’s why I had to give you a warning. Honestly, I just hope you finally grasp the point I'm trying to make here.

Just give yourself a break—seriously, go easy on yourself. It’s honestly wild how you just pin everything on someone else; I guess that’s always the easiest way out.
Here’s how things went down:

You’ve been constantly accusing me, claiming that FMN got banned because of me—which just isn't true.

You accused me of derailing the conversation, which is just flat-out wrong—if anything, you’re the one who took us off track here. We ended up talking about interfaith marriages only because you were the one who challenged me back on that Islam 114 thread, basically daring me to prove how good I was at debating. It’s way too easy to downplay how serious a commandment actually is—you can basically take a major sin and spin it until it looks like nothing more than a minor religious oversight.After that, I mentioned to you that Koby had started a new thread about interfaith marriages, so maybe you could give that a shot.

Since you basically folded in your very first post when you realized there was no way to actually prove your point, you just pivoted the whole conversation toward weighing sins—and then you went ahead and started equating a woman marrying outside the faith with a murderer or someone committing shirk.
You accused me of being the one who derailed the thread—seriously? Just take a second to look at my posts, then look at yours, and actually compare them. Don't go pinning someone else's garbage on me just because they're the ones leaving it all over the place.

So, this guy boldgull19 is chiming in with this whole argument—claiming that a woman married to a non-Muslim is somehow worse than a murderer. He’s actually going as far as to say she’s spiritually murdering her own children... as if you can’t lead a spiritually vibrant life unless you happen to be Muslim. It’s wild, really. And the kicker? He doesn't seem to notice his own spiritual emptiness while he's busy judging everyone else—all while claiming to be a devout Muslim himself.

After I’ve spent God knows how many times asking for actual proof—you know, just a shred of logic—this person tries to cover up their total lack of an argument by throwing personal insults my way. They actually called me a half-believer just because I refuse to go around kicking people out of the faith. It's honestly exhausting when people resort to that instead of actually addressing the point.

I’m just going to skip over all the chauvinistic comments for now. Besides, he’s insulting both me and Bradley Davis33—even though she didn't even address him directly.

And you actually sided with him after he got banned for those kinds of insults and trolling—both in the thread itself and in his formal appeal. Yet, here you are, filing an appeal because you think insults toward other users should be allowed. Honestly, I have to hand it to you... that is some world-class hypocrisy right there.

After the Sunnah community chimed in—totally shocked by what they found written there—she responded in pure disbelief, pointing out that she’s actually married to a Catholic. And honestly? Not a single soul had the decency to apologize for misidentifying her as a killer. Instead, people were busy telling her she’d committed a sin even worse than physical murder—claiming she’s spiritually killing her children and living in sin, and just going on and on like that. Not a single apology. None.

" It’s better to tear down a church than to break someone’s heart "

Here is how she operates:

among other things, she says I wouldn't want to be in your shoes (once the consequences finally catch up to you)

After this lady got banned—and we're talking about comments that even Yazid would have been jealous of—you suddenly start feeling bad for her because she was kicked off the platform? So now you're sympathizing with her just because of the ban? Why the sudden change of heart?

You guys accused me before God—you mocked me, saying how God would humiliate me even further (as if I wasn't already humiliated enough by you all, and acting like you won't even talk to me anymore just so you don't have to deal with more humiliation) —and you called me a hypocrite, a half-believer (which, since you can't really be a "half-believer," basically means you were calling me an infidel). All of this just because I refused to label anyone else as an unbeliever! Look, Islam isn't your private property to gatekeep, and you certainly don't have the authority to excommunicate people from the faith—especially not someone who identifies as a Muslim.
The sheer arrogance and condescension you displayed! The insults, the mockery, the way you laughed right in my face! Where do you get the right to cast someone out of the faith? You act so incredibly superior, as if you possess some flawless moral high ground that gives you the permission to point fingers at everyone else's sins and exile them from Islam. Oh, I see—you're all "better" than the rest of us now, aren't you? Entitled to look down on those you deem "worse" and declare them non-believers!
Then, a few days later, over on the Islam 114 thread, you come after me again, calling me a hypocrite and a half-believer. Well, it took me a moment to realize that you were actually using that Quranic Verse to imply I was being a hypocrite—so, thanks for that.
I just want to tell you one thing. I am not what you claim I am. And that poor girl following the Sunnah isn't what you labeled her either. None of the things you said about her or me were actually true.
But you certainly said a lot about yourselves.

The "Messages, Wishes, and Comments" subforum serves an entirely different purpose, and I honestly don't think this is the right place to continue this kind of debate. I’d like to suggest—and I really am asking here—that any clarification regarding this controversial matter be handled through private messages instead. When things are peaceful, anything can be discussed, but once there is unrest, nothing seems to work. Please, let's not keep this going here.

I'm stepping out of this discussion, and I’d probably suggest everyone else does the same. Thanks, and best to you all. 🙂
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Scott Nguyen2 said:If my seniority on this Reddit—specifically on this sub—actually counts for anything, then I’m calling on it now. Not to hurt the feelings of the younger users, mind you, but just to make it clear: the constant bickering between users isn't why I'm walking away. People can focus on the secondary stuff if they want, and yeah, maybe staying silent is less "useful" than posting, but the drama among users isn't the reason I'm boycotting this place.

Let’s not mince words here. I am boycotting this because of the deliberate, systematic discrimination based on faith being carried out by the moderators—specifically rowdyhawk10. They are targeting members of the modern Salaf movement due to their religious beliefs and outlook... (people who don't agree call them Wahhabis—and I'm only mentioning that to identify a specific group, regardless of what label anyone wants to slap on them)

This has nothing to do with my personal chats with any particular user, whether they follow Salafism or not. It’s about the fact that there is a conscious, unfair effort to stifle their presence here—even though, honestly, I don't even agree with all their interpretations and views myself.

Secondly, I’m boycotting the general trend where atheists try to turn the Religion sub-forum into their own little ideological stronghold at any cost. The proof is right there: there are fewer and fewer believers left in the Religion section (which is supposed to serve them, by the way). And it’s not because they lack "arguments"—it's because the insults being thrown around go way beyond anything remotely decent or human. (Okay, there are exceptions, sure).
Now, look, I'm not saying we should kick the atheists out of the Religion sub. No. I'm saying something needs to be done about the culture of conversation here. Nobody comes here to act as a punching bag for someone else's frustrations. To show you how ridiculous this is, just try opening a thread in the 'Science' sub titled 'Evolution is a myth based on scientific evidence' (just as an example)... either the thread gets nuked immediately or it gets moved back to 'Religion,' making 'Religion' look like some kind of trash bin for those people. On the flip side, as a total paradox that proves my point, you have the 'Atheism' topic pinned right there in the Religion sub.

Everything I’m laying out here is happening systematically and intentionally to turn this sub into anything *but* what it's actually meant to be. Basically, the Religion sub is slowly sinking into the mud of the entire forum. And when you add the fact that Josh is trying to systematically "cleanse" the "Wahhabis" from that mud—who are believers, no matter how people perceive them, and therefore deserve the basic rights afforded to everyone in this sub—it turns out this isn't a sub "for religion" at all. It's a private playground for the moderators, using their power to push their own agendas. Whether that's an agenda of "modernization" (where religion is just a tool for their specific worldview), pushing pro-gay ideology, or pushing secularization under the guise of "human rights." These moderators judge a user's value solely based on whether they fit their worldview. If they do, they look the other way and let "insults" slide (just look at the complaint from Tyler Scott3). But if you don't fit their mold, they discriminate against you—banning you, etc.
This sub has never seen worse moderation than it is seeing right now.

Since the goal seems to be driving believers out of the space that should belong to them (I mean, the sub is called 'Religion,' not 'Ideology') while keeping the "moderates" around, I—as a "moderate"—feel for everyone who has been treated unfairly here. I’m sacrificing myself because every other way of handling this—negotiations, talking it out—has proven to be completely useless. That is why I am boycotting. Until things change, there is no point in posting. For things to change, the moderators need to admit they've messed up. That’s all I’m asking. I'm not calling for a revolution or trying to "topple the government," I'm just asking the "powers that be" to guarantee that people can write freely without having their religious feelings trampled on.

This claim—and I should clarify that this applies to the rest of the post as well—is entirely unargued. I suppose if a coherent argument had actually followed, I might have something to say about it, but it simply didn't. First off, there is no such thing as a "Salaf movement," especially not a modern one. What we are actually looking at is a terrorist movement, which can't exactly plant its roots here because it promotes values that are fundamentally anti-civilization.
  • Is it? This. Is there something that simply needs to be tolerated?
  • Is it? This Is there something that simply needs to be tolerated?
  • Is it? This. Is there something that simply needs to be tolerated?
  • Is it? This. Is there something we just have to tolerate?

Is it because they are Muslims that they should be above the rules, Scott Nguyen2? 🙄 Regarding the Wahhabi Corner, I suspect that nobody is actually being targeted out of personal dislike or ideological disagreement—which would be a pretty heavy accusation to make, if you ask me. It seems more like they are simply being held to the standard forum rules, which none of them... He doesn't show any respect.Once they learn how to engage in civilized debate and maintain a dialogue that actually follows the rules—much like the other users here—then maybe they'll be mature enough to participate on a platform like Reddit. Until then, I suppose they can just carry on with their missions over on those pro-Islam forums where they're already used to behaving the way they have been acting here.
  • The penalty for off-topic posts remains exactly the same, whether it’s directed at a Wahhabi or anyone else.
  • The cards used for trolling remain exactly the same, whether you're dealing with a Wahhabi or anyone else.
  • The standard for ironing remains exactly the same, whether you're doing it for a Wahhabi or anyone else.
  • Hate speech policies remain exactly the same, whether you're targeting a Wahhabi or anyone else.

If we were to tolerate them breaking the rules, they would essentially become a protected species. We moderators try our best to treat everyone exactly the same, and I suppose we can't be held responsible if they've convinced themselves they're playing some kind of savior role for the faith, attempting to enforce things in an aggressive way that simply doesn't align with the rules.

Scott Nguyen2, as Nicole James mentioned, boycotting doesn't actually achieve anything positive. It’s probably better to just resolve things as they come up. If we ever act unfairly toward someone, there are plenty of channels available to file a grievance... we moderators aren't some lawless gang running wild. Of course, that's assuming the complaint is actually backed by solid arguments.

Culture, order, peace, and tolerance—that’s what we expect from everyone on this Reddit. There is simply no reason to tolerate anyone else, including those Wahhabi types. I think I'll step out of the discussion on this matter. That's all I have to say, though I would hope we understand one another. Peace.
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I honestly wish Tyler Scott3, boldgull19, and Scott Nguyen2 would come back; I’m sure they know they should. As for me, I'll share my thoughts when the time comes, though I feel I already understand everything necessary. I suppose I have to learn how to learn in order to know what I know. And that is why I know. 😛 🤣 I'm feeling pretty exhausted tonight, so I can't really write much more. Maybe Nicole James and I will show up tomorrow (provided I don't head out on my trip). If I do leave, then, God willing, I'll be back the day after. Regardless, please don't let the Reddit community fall apart just because of some mistake of mine—or perhaps a few mistakes. You can see for yourselves that things aren't quite right there anymore. Perhaps ruggedstag7 could try using a luckier username... while still following the same recommendations I made previously. The goal should be building up rather than tearing down. We need to forget the past and start fresh, without falling back into those old habits. It might take a little longer to rebuild that trust, but I don't think it's impossible. For someone with a friendly disposition, it shouldn't be too difficult. Peace
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Due to other commitments, I will keep this brief (just so you can follow along easily):
The main conflict erupted—which is quite symptomatic of our American religion subforum—between certain atheists and certain believers. The subject was the Church opposing gay marriage..., started by user John Doe. It is worth noting that, according to his own declaration, he identifies as gay. Basically, the discussion kicked off with criticisms of the church "interfering in state politics", and so on. Over the following pages, three distinct camps emerged among the users:

1. Those who view homosexuality as normal (mostly users with an atheist perspective);

2. Those who view it as unnatural (mostly users who identify as believers).

3. A third group consisting of both decent believers and atheists who tried to lower the temperature and calm things down, attempting to create a more peaceful atmosphere regarding the topic. That didn't really work, as the loud voices were simply too loud. 😢 Throughout the discussion... the thread frequently devolved into ad hominem attacks, disparagement, trolling... and often harsh insults from both sides. Some atheists insulted and mocked certain believers, and vice versa... On several occasions, there were instances of serious hate speech and threats. During this thread, we issued dozens of warnings, as well as several bans.

A) REGARDING THE ATHEISTS: As a moderator, I was flooded with hundreds of reports on this thread, where for instance, atheists demand that every statement such as "homosexuality is unnatural" be warned—thereby forcing moderators to treat homosexuality as a taboo subject or a forbidden zone on the forum we manage... essentially implying a normal person shouldn't be allowed to say they find homosexuality disgusting... or at least unacceptable, which is how anyone with those inclinations feels.

B) Regarding this clash between believers and atheists, I have spoken more extensively in the thread Discrimination against believers, here, then here, as well as here. (Of course, I am referring to the discrimination against believers on the "Religion" subforum). And you can see the kinds of responses I received from users, such as the replies from steelskipper5. 🤷 In fact, because of these views, I have been accused a few times of being a religious fanatic and so on.

C) REGARDING THE BELIEVERS: On the other hand, most of those declaring themselves as believers showed a high rate of intolerance and a great deal of creativity in finding ways to most effectively hurt the homosexuals, a few of whom did show up in the thread.

D) REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS: There might be a way for them to have their own dedicated subforum or something similar, so they would stop imposing their homosexuality as a sacred cow on dozens of threads within the religion subforum... Or perhaps allow them a subforum within the scope of Science or Biology... topics that always drift back toward religion. Quite simply, there are people who cannot stand them, and then these gays start mocking the Holy Bible, religions, Gods... and this has been going on for quite some time. So, I would ask, if at all possible, that they receive a subforum; it would greatly help relieve the pressure on the Religion subforum.

I should mention, this is just my opinion as one of the five moderators on this subforum... and perhaps my colleagues might not agree with me. I would be interested to hear other opinions if there are any.

E) REGARDING STEELESKIPPER5'S THREAT TO CALL THE POLICE: The user John Doe, whose post triggered this question, received 500 points for reporting violence (like the Mafia), but now steelskipper5 is forcing us to issue warnings for...this post isn't grounds for a ban, despite my earlier explanation as to why. It’s quite clear from the context that this isn't some personal threat directed at a female member, but rather... well, I believe I already clarified the nature of the situation in my previous entry in this thread.

That's all from me, I suppose. Best,
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steelskipper5,
I’m just going to hand this whole package over to the administration. Let them argue with you and hash it out; I honestly don't have the energy left for this, despite my best intentions.

I am sticking to my original position: that wasn't a post intended as a threat toward a female forum member, but rather an attempt by a defender fighting for his country—the one where he's raising his six children... though certainly not the version of America that a few of you seem to imagine in your heads. He simply stated that he wouldn't without a fight allow something unnatural to be forced upon him as if it were natural, when it actually equates the animalistic with the human. A man still considers himself a man, not an animal. 🤷

That’s all from me. I'm handing this off now, so you can deal with them... Nothing personal, either. Best. 🙂
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briskorca19 said:this post here

I honestly want to know why this hasn't been carded yet
and just to be clear, rowdyhawk10, I wasn't even online to hit the icon button, so I'm only just seeing this now☕
and it's not like the mods missed it, because the note underneath literally says "carded"
and yeah, I see the guy got banned, but it just doesn't feel right
to think that because I sent him a message saying I'd break his back if he tries to push his religious views into our laws, I'm the one who should get a massive ban like a house falling down
it feels like discrimination against believers 🙂

briskorca19, we don't really operate that way, rather, we act based on your report. I rarely have the chance to read through a thread post by post.

So, in every post, on the left side below the avatar, there are several icons, including one like this: . You need to click that icon to report the post, and in the window that opens, you should probably quote the controversial part of the message. When a post is quite long, simply typing "threat" or "insult" might not even be sufficient—you really ought to specify what the insult or threat actually was, because I try to avoid making unargued reports on lengthy posts. The question is: did you report the post using that method?

As for this specific post, it was relatively brief. In my estimation, John Doe isn't making any threats toward you or any other user here (he even added "nothing personal!" and a smiley at the end 🙂). I suppose I'm wondering what kind of ban you think he deserved? What would our justification for the ban look like? If you were thinking of something like: "threatening users" ... then, in my opinion, that wouldn't be justified. Best regards
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I forgot to mention... this happened right while we were here tackling important issues. 🙄
I suspect you would have been much more constructive (both you and everyone else) than you were with this protest over some ''perfected act''.

And it really isn't right to let Kenneth Peterson5 be correct when he wrote: "By abandoning the environment,
where the minority is considered 'bad,' you are showing the rest of you—the majority—that you simply don't care about her..."


Give that some thought! 🙄
Kenneth Peterson5 said:Alright, here’s a constructive proposal for ya.

I’m suggesting that every three months, we rotate moderators on each sub-forum through a vote involving both users and mods. And who gets to vote on a specific sub-forum? Here's the deal:

Any user registered on that sub-forum who has started at least one thread that hit at least 20 replies and over 2,000 views.
(And if anyone’s wondering why people with 500 or even 1,000 posts can't vote if they haven't started a thread on that specific sub-forum—it's simple. They haven't shown they actually care or have the ability to kick off an interesting discussion, which would actually add value to the boards they're trying to influence.)

If at least 30% of the eligible voters aren't happy with how the current mod is doing, then that mod is out.
The users who voted against the current mod can suggest replacements, and we hold a poll to pick the new one. Everyone on that board who has started at least one thread with at least 15 participants and 1,000 views gets to vote in that poll.

Then, we run the whole process again in three months.

That’s how you actually improve the quality of moderation (and the boards themselves)—by having people step up to help out rather than just acting like little bosses.

I voted yes, mostly because there wasn't really a third option. The idea of rotating them is fine, I suppose, but it needs some adjustments.
In my view, having rotations happen every seven days would be better. Three months seems like far too long, if you ask me.
I mean, an untrustworthy moderator could cause quite a bit of trouble over a period that long. 😉
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Tyler Scott3 said:I politely asked that the following people stop addressing me. For example, rowdyhawk10, you don't have a clue what I'm actually complaining about here. Honestly, I'm worried you're just talking to hear yourself speak, because your explanations are so transparent and empty they make me feel lightheaded.

The whole point of your response is just to suck up to the admins. You don't give a damn about me or any other user on this site. So, back off.

Dear Anderson, the way you treat us users is a disaster. There’s constant pressure being put on us, and you're constantly trying to guilt-trip us.
I have to ask: what did I ever do wrong by writing posts that reach half a million views? Isn't that enough proof that I'm actually contributing something useful?

And what was my reward for that?

Some lowlife bows before the king, and the king rewards him.
'Our king' rewards us by simply allowing us to exist.😢

You don't owe me an apology; it's your platform. Fine, let me apologize to you instead—I apologize for wasting three years of my life on this site, which has gone from being a promising community to one filled with hypocrisy. I have no desire to write on a place like this. My demand for an apology isn't really about that; it's an appeal for you, as the owner, to take the first step toward fixing the relationship between the users and the administration. The current staff can't do it because they're all too busy chasing their own careers.
Because if you, the owner, don't care about improving these relationships, why should we? We have to be here regardless, and we do it with our heads down because we respect the rules and the authority of this place. But honestly, I just don't have the motivation to contribute anymore. As things stand right now, I feel like a criminal on this site.

That's all from me.

Why shouldn't I step in to defend a colleague facing what seem to be several mostly baseless accusations? This is a Reddit thread, after all. I was simply trying to explain that you might be mistaken and that it would be better if you stayed on the platform, since we can't exactly redesign the entire Religion PDF to satisfy everyone's specific preferences. Everyone has their own opinions, I suppose. We tried to establish some order and find a middle ground through the community guidelines. It seems more productive to stay and suggest new rules, doesn't it? 🙂

Tyler Scott3 said:I politely asked that the following people stop addressing me. For example, rowdyhawk10, you don't have a clue what I'm actually complaining about here. Honestly, I'm worried you're just talking to hear yourself speak, because your explanations are so transparent and empty they make me feel lightheaded.

The whole point of your response is just to suck up to the admins. You don't give a damn about me or any other user on this site. So, back off.

Dear Anderson, the way you treat us users is a disaster. There’s constant pressure being put on us, and you're constantly trying to guilt-trip us.
I have to ask: what did I ever do wrong by writing posts that reach half a million views? Isn't that enough proof that I'm actually contributing something useful?

And what was my reward for that?

Some lowlife bows before the king, and the king rewards him.
'Our king' rewards us by simply allowing us to exist.😢

You don't owe me an apology; it's your platform. Fine, let me apologize to you instead—I apologize for wasting three years of my life on this site, which has gone from being a promising community to one filled with hypocrisy. I have no desire to write on a place like this. My demand for an apology isn't really about that; it's an appeal for you, as the owner, to take the first step toward fixing the relationship between the users and the administration. The current staff can't do it because they're all too busy chasing their own careers.
Because if you, the owner, don't care about improving these relationships, why should we? We have to be here regardless, and we do it with our heads down because we respect the rules and the authority of this place. But honestly, I just don't have the motivation to contribute anymore. As things stand right now, I feel like a criminal on this site.

That's all from me.

I'm not apologizing, because I didn't send them a DM or anything like that... And it isn't true that I don't care; I do care. How could you possibly say that? I actually suspect you don't even mean that yourself. Selam. 🙂
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ruggedstag7 said:I am in total agreement here, and you have my full support.
I’m standing right there with Tyler Scott3 on this one. Honestly, until he decides to show his face back on Reddit, I’m sitting this one out too. No more participation from me on this thread.

You won't. Not at all. To participate. 🙂

Kenneth Peterson5 said:Hey Tyler Scott3, Black & White, boldgull19, and Scott Nguyen2,

First off, sending big love to all of you—please, seriously, just honor your word and get back to posting here on this Reddit.
Why?
Because by walking away from a space where the minority is being labeled "bad," you’re basically telling the rest of us—the majority—that you just don't care about them.
By ditching an environment where a minority is viewed as "bad," you aren't accepting them for what they are—and let's face it, being different is hard. If you label a minority "bad," you're essentially calling them "sick," and by leaving, you're stripping away the "healthy" presence they need to balance things out. That just makes the minority even more unstable, which eventually ends up threatening the "healthy" majority even harder.

Look, I totally get why you're all revolting. There’s been a string of injustices, mostly coming from that moderator rowdyhawk10—which really hit a breaking point when he banned Black & White. But honestly, wasn't it enough to just tell that moderator you're done talking to him because, frankly, he isn't worth your time? At least, that's how I handled it.

You guys are all incredibly smart, fair, and good people—at least, that's how I've seen you, especially after spending so much time deep-diving into everything happening on the Religion subreddit over the last year. It just doesn't make sense to me why you can't accept that it's impossible for a single admin to see through all the insincerity and hypocrisy dripping from someone who seems so damn polite, articulate, and seemingly understanding (and no, I'm not talking about Nicole James here). Are you really arguing that an admin—or the owner, if you're naive enough to think Tyler Scott3 is the boss—has to spend six months in constant contact with someone, become a scholar of the Quran, and obsessively track every single thread on the Religion sub just to know who they really are?
How on earth can you expect that from any admin (or even the owner)? Like, seriously? These people have their hands full managing the whole site, and when you add the fact that they have actual, real-life, non-virtual problems to deal with in the real world—???—do you even hear yourselves?

So, my friends, please, take back what you said. You aren't achieving anything by leaving except depriving yourselves of the comfort of being here—which still exists, despite those moderators, especially that one guy who thinks he "knows better than everyone" and is "always right," whom nobody talks to anymore anyway. Plus, you're robbing plenty of other users, myself included, of the joy of reading your posts and chatting with you.

Just chill out, think about it, listen to your heart, and FORGIVE that pathetic rowdyhawk10 and Nicole James—at least enough so that their presence doesn't bother you so much that you feel the need to abandon yourselves and the rest of us users who actually respect you.

Peace be upon you 🙂

People really ought to listen to Kenneth Peterson5. I mean... Tyler Scott3, boldgull19, and Scott Nguyen2 should probably take his lead. As for that fourth guy—ruggedstag7, the one who identifies as Black & White—he's finished his time on this Reddit, at least from my perspective. Whether he decides to post here again is really the least of anyone's concerns.

We have provided Tyler Scott3 with more than enough explanation regarding where his judgments fall short and why his expectations lack any real foundation. Boldgull19 will return once Tyler Scott3 returns. As for Scott Nguyen2, quite a bit was already explained to him via private message earlier, so I suppose I can only hope he takes some time to reconsider his decision. Best to everyone. 🙂