steelskipper5 said:I’m done posting in Religion. I've had enough of everyone else—and honestly, the moderation around here is just way too soft for my liking.
Look, with this massive influx of Christian warriors lately, the moderators are too scared to actually do their jobs properly—so stuff that would get you a permanent ban on other subforums gets a slap on the wrist here. Since I tend to argue at whatever level my opponent is playing at, I somehow end up getting handed warnings way too often. It’s like some troll gets a free pass just because they're "new," while I, a total forum veteran, don't get any leeway at all. For example, I get flagged for being insulting just because I suggested someone was being dense—which, honestly, leaves enough room for error that maybe I just misunderstood them—yet certain Christian trolls can spout blatant hate speech without even getting a warning, let alone a ban for trolling or being hateful. I guess the mods just don't have the guts to hit them with the permanent ban button. Poor things.
By the way, they actually suggested me for a moderator position once before, but the forum admins shot me down. There were two main reasons: first, I probably would've been way stricter than the current crew—and second, since I'm not a Christian, those Christian fanatics would've probably gone absolutely ballistic.
Moderation around here is getting pretty chaotic—honestly, despite that huge number of declared moderators we're supposed to have, there are really only two, maybe three people actually doing anything. It’s dragging the whole Religion section right back to how things used to be on the old forum when Pollux was running the show—and let's be real, he barely had any time to properly moderate half the site anyway.
All of this is exactly why I walked away from Religion—I just don't have the patience to deal with a bunch of trolls who get slapped with nothing or tiny little warnings, while I end up taking disproportionately massive penalties. When that last moderator chewed me out, I didn't even bother appealing it, but let’s be real: it was pretty obvious that the Christian moderator didn't even give my Christian interlocutor a yellow card, even though they weren't acting any more politely than I was.
Look, I’ve got plenty of issues with how the Religion section is being moderated—including a certain level of subjectivity that rowdyhawk10 actually admitted to me in a private message—but I can tell you for sure that the problem isn't anything mentioned in those first three massive walls of text.
I'll admit that I have always been slightly more tolerant of Christians than other groups, even if only by a fraction. Now, there are five or six of them protesting without any real argument, claiming they're being threatened, though everything becomes quite obvious once you take a closer look at the underlying depth of the situation. You are one of the few people here who actually noticed this, and I suppose I should congratulate you on that—you're absolutely right, and I admit it:
steelskipper5 said:I’m done posting in Religion. I've had enough of everyone else—and honestly, the moderation around here is just way too soft for my liking.
Look, with this massive influx of Christian warriors lately, the moderators are too scared to actually do their jobs properly—so stuff that would get you a permanent ban on other subforums gets a slap on the wrist here. Since I tend to argue at whatever level my opponent is playing at, I somehow end up getting handed warnings way too often. It’s like some troll gets a free pass just because they're "new," while I, a total forum veteran, don't get any leeway at all. For example, I get flagged for being insulting just because I suggested someone was being dense—which, honestly, leaves enough room for error that maybe I just misunderstood them—yet certain Christian trolls can spout blatant hate speech without even getting a warning, let alone a ban for trolling or being hateful. I guess the mods just don't have the guts to hit them with the permanent ban button. Poor things.
By the way, they actually suggested me for a moderator position once before, but the forum admins shot me down. There were two main reasons: first, I probably would've been way stricter than the current crew—and second, since I'm not a Christian, those Christian fanatics would've probably gone absolutely ballistic.
Moderation around here is getting pretty chaotic—honestly, despite that huge number of declared moderators we're supposed to have, there are really only two, maybe three people actually doing anything. It’s dragging the whole Religion section right back to how things used to be on the old forum when Pollux was running the show—and let's be real, he barely had any time to properly moderate half the site anyway.
All of this is exactly why I walked away from Religion—I just don't have the patience to deal with a bunch of trolls who get slapped with nothing or tiny little warnings, while I end up taking disproportionately massive penalties. When that last moderator chewed me out, I didn't even bother appealing it, but let’s be real: it was pretty obvious that the Christian moderator didn't even give my Christian interlocutor a yellow card, even though they weren't acting any more politely than I was.
Look, I’ve got plenty of issues with how the Religion section is being moderated—including a certain level of subjectivity that rowdyhawk10 actually admitted to me in a private message—but I can tell you for sure that the problem isn't anything mentioned in those first three massive walls of text.
So, you were right—I did admit to being subjective. If it helps as some kind of justification, I suppose I’ve been cautious about engaging them in heavy debates for a multitude of reasons. First off, since I’m not a Christian, there’s always the risk that people might weaponize my religious background by claiming they are being "persecuted"—which, to be fair, is exactly what they’ve been doing in several other threads. Second, I’m not the only moderator here; I usually prefer to leave those specific cases to my colleagues so the weight doesn't fall entirely on me, especially since I know just how far a few of them are willing to go. That’s why I’ve focused more of my moderation efforts on the Muslims, whom, if I’m being honest, I probably understand a bit better. Third, there are just so many trolls on this site, and I’m not even sure many people actually see what’s happening—this thread itself is essentially a troll fest—so it’s difficult enough to go toe-to-toe with five trolls, let alone fifty.
And finally, I suppose I just prefer to side with the underdog in any given debate. 😈
(Just kidding! That last part doesn't count.) 🙂
I would argue that these few protesters aren't actually complaining about any perceived injustice from the moderation team. I mean, we have asked them quite openly on numerous occasions:
Please provide some examples of how we have been unfair to you. Well, we didn't even receive the bare minimum of arguments to support that... I suppose it’s actually about something else entirely—the religious biases held by certain moderators. Specifically, the way Nicole James and I are being pressured to push for someone else to take over moderation duties. They seem to want someone who isn't part of the "Muslim" group or tied to groups like DIO, for instance. And if a Muslim happens to be a member of DIO, they seem even more insistent on it. 😍
steelskipper5 said:It’s rare that I agree with Kenneth Peterson5, but rowdyhawk10, please take a second to think about what she said... and also about the stuff I told you before... and those situations where you claimed you wouldn't hesitate to resign as moderator.
The worst part is that I don't see any decent replacements on the forum anymore... too many of us have already left.
First off, I’m not quite sure who you mean when you say "too many" have left, or specifically who you're referring to. Secondly, I view Kenneth Peterson5's post as just one example among many of her tendency toward relativism and vague generalizations, lacking any concrete factors. For instance, a specific link, a reference to a particular situation or person—that kind of thing would satisfy me.
When it comes to the work I do, I’m interested in specifics.
ASSERTION - PROOF - ... that’s how I operate. 🙂
(and perhaps only then, a REQUEST or ADVICE)
Meanwhile, Kenneth Peterson5 was merely offering requests and advice... and in doing so, she made general (rather than specific) claims that I’m a bad moderator. Because of that, I don't actually know what she is trying to say, so I don't really have anything to agree or disagree with. She simply didn't provide enough information in the post you quoted for me to identify the mistakes she's talking about, nor the "grave injustice" or the "hatred toward Christians" that she claims I am perpetrating here.
Furthermore, and this is quite important: on this FBI subforum, Kenneth Peterson5 has, on numerous occasions, written about me in a very incorrect, untruthful, and harsh manner, accusing me of the most inhumane things possible... often describing me as the lowest, most flagrant type of person. I can provide links if necessary, since her posts are all still there... but just one example: here... if I were even a fraction of that, I wouldn't just "step down," I’d grab myself by the collar and toss myself into a dumpster. And this style of hers (the true cause of which I haven't identified) has been going on for a long time—she says it's been a whole year now—but I never once replied to those accusations. I just watched from the sidelines, trying to connect the dots... At times, I honestly thought she hated me, and at other times, I thought she liked me... To be honest, even today, I'm not entirely clear on it. Granted, she did apologize here (saying "it serves me no purpose, truly") while explaining that she was driven by some "higher purpose." It is precisely that excuse that makes me think things might settle themselves out very soon.
Consequently, I have no reason to believe she is being completely sincere in the post you quoted. She was sincere last night when she apologized to me in a private message, which I accepted gladly and with genuine warmth... though even then (as it is now), it wasn't clear to me what she was actually apologizing for. It seems to me she has been studying "me" quite thoroughly both here and outside of this PDF, and I have no idea who else she has been writing about me to, besides here on the forum.
Just come back to the forum; my subjectivity, which I have admitted to, will, God willing, be corrected. Best regards,