dustypuma5 said:I think we need a rule. And Jose White18, you're being rude. People who start an initiative that actually makes sense aren't just starting petty arguments; maybe they just want to make this place better.
I’ve been here forever, and lately, things on the forum only move forward when someone takes charge after an initiative (thanks to the admins 🙏), which is why I've started some stuff myself. One thing I did was push back against radical extremists, and now the site is at a higher level because its rules forbid denying anyone's sovereignty. Even the communication is slightly less trash now.
Maybe you don't remember the days when people were openly selling juice cleanses, emetics, and other homemade concoctions in the alternative medicine section. Remember how many fights it took to get that banned? Back then, the admins didn't care; they’d show up once a month just to ban people or lock threads. Now, we have hollowtrucker77 with a stance that's actually right, we have mellowraven22 who isn't even allowed to say what he thinks because it brings the bulldozer 😬, and we actually have a chance to apply that same kind of rule to the alternative section.
Tomorrow or the day after, some admin will show up who doesn't give a damn, and the space for posting nonsense will still be there. Just like any rule will stay if hollowtrucker77 just stuffs it into some paragraph somewhere.
That warning everyone talks about? That was a three-month battle over on PZK. The female admin finally wrote it, but it was basically just a compromise where certain people were told: "Fine, we'll put the warning up, but you can never talk about this again." So they're effectively silenced to this day.
So, stop acting like it's easy. Let people who actually care choose what's best for themselves.
Why is it that you, as a moderator—who should actually care about the forum's health—won't let users do what they think is good for the community? Instead, you just label them as troublemakers. And why are you defending the very claims that the troublemakers are attacking?
The alternative medicine subforum is a place that can get dangerous, and honestly, it's great to say everyone chooses their own path. But the moderators and admins here still have responsibility in those choices. If they could stop someone from ditching chemotherapy to go follow Braco, then they share the responsibility for that decision. It's the same as the mod who allowed a thread about a bomb that actually blew someone up.
When you start taking your job seriously—and yeah, you aren't getting paid, but you should treat it like a job—then maybe we can talk. As long as you don't care whether people forge their own luck or get talked into risking their lives or their kids' lives because of this forum, there's no point in discussing this. You're still a mod on this board. Some long-time users feel that responsibility even if they aren't on the staff, simply because they view this place as "theirs" and care about how it looks. That's why the petty wars happen and why there's constant conflict in the alternative section between real medicine and hocus pocus.
We're talking about one specific subforum within the alternative section that needs different rules because there's a real risk of someone giving advice that actually hurts someone.
You're saying it's not worth fighting for?
I think it is.
If you actually cared.
Solve it. Braco's whole situation is a mess. Honestly, someone should step up and file a formal criminal complaint against him for running those medical scams and practicing quackery. That would be a genuinely worthwhile move. If you actually cared, you'd do something about it.
Seriously. You should actually take some action. Right now, it just looks like you only care about being on this forum.
Honestly, the moderators and admins on this forum really do have some nerve. Responsibility. If they had the power to stop someone from walking away from cancer treatment to seek an alternative, then they carry a share of the responsibility for how that turns out.
Does Braco deserve any credit if he steps in to help when chemotherapy fails?
It’s the same deal as the moderator who allowed that thread about the bomb that actually blew someone up. Responsibility falls on them too.
By repeating this comparison, you’ve officially crossed the line into trolling. If you actually want to be the truth-seeker you claim to be, you should realize that being a provocateur hurts everyone else involved. Everyone has the absolute right to decide what they do with their own lives. It’s hard to tell if you're just rambling like a drunk because you don't get it, or if you're being purely Machiavellian just to push your own agenda.
We're talking about a specific sub-forum within the alternative section here. I think it needs its own set of rules to prevent anyone from giving out bad advice that could actually end up hurting someone.
Take a look at this thesis. Then, try to actually wrap your head around what you wrote. Once you do that, maybe you'll realize just how thin that argument really is.
There's always a risk. If someone goes out and posts something that some idiot ends up using against themselves, what am I supposed to do? Who am I to stop someone from choosing tahébo tea over chemotherapy? Who are you to try and prevent them from doing that? They made their own choice.
It seems like I can always find someone even more clueless than you just to protect them from your own nonsense, only to end up using them as the perfect example of why you're wrong.
Hey everyone. We should probably tighten up freedom of speech just a little more. No thanks.
