Posts by dustypuma5

I heard we might be getting some tees...

Ever seen how some forum admins act? Like they just installed some script to give themselves all that power?

Yeah, you know how it goes. 🙏

steeleagle70 said:IP registration logs
computer names
seeing the same IP addresses popping up over and over
writing style
using specific software to pull it all together into one big picture
and all that good stuff😁

Total nonsense. 😳

northerntiger said:That’s just your version of the truth. I’m not buying any of it—Franjo definitely knew everything that was going down with El Paso and the hawks.
I actually heard him tell Miles how to back off, basically telling him not to be sending faxes asking for help right in the middle of the El Paso siege.
But, yeah, probably not the place to get into all that here.

All I'm saying is maybe try not to use such harsh language to label political opponents during debates. You can make a point without being insulting, which is more or less what we try to do here. 😁

Oh, so my words are "harsh" now?

I mean, I guess I'd call anyone working against this country a traitor. If you ask me, if an official is draining money from state companies, I’d call that treason and say they deserve the max penalty.

As for everything else, I guess time will tell who was right. 😉

So far, time has only shown a fraction of what I predicted a few years ago, and honestly, I'll keep predicting. It’s gonna get worse, way worse.

And hey, when that happens, hit me up for a beer. I always enjoy clashing arguments with a decent leftist. 🙂

northerntiger said:So it's just you and me talking, yet you're using "you guys"? I guess that's not exactly personal, maybe.

Nah, I still don't use formal address with you, but honestly, I don't bother being formal with anyone on this forum.

Just because you're backing Anthony Gotovina doesn't mean you agree with everything The Edge wrote. I guess... where'd you even get that from? Like, just because you feel that way doesn't mean everyone else does. Ever think about that? 🙂

That obsession you've got going, along with a bunch of other right-wingers, is just unnecessary... I guess it doesn't lead to anything besides constant flame wars.

Flejman keeps spinning this narrative about El Paso being some perfect utopia, claiming the US Army didn't attack it, that Americans basically provoked the whole war, and that they were just honorably defending Mexicans from Nationalists types. It’s all just a way to dodge what that guy said—you know, the dude who held office twice and literally put "collapsed America" on his CV, only to claim now he had nothing to do with it. Flejman just wants to pivot to stories about crimes against Mexicans—which, look, I'm not defending or making excuses for those—just so he can justify the crimes committed all over America.

I wouldn't even be this worked up if everything I said wasn't true. It’s honestly pathetic that in this country you actually have to walk on eggshells around certain terms.

It’s honestly pretty sad that you and I can't even see eye to eye on three basic things that should be sacred in this country... I guess.

Right?

northerntiger said:So the old hawk got beaten up by the cops in some big US city after leaving El Paso? Not news. And I bet it didn't happen without Franjo knowing.

Back in the day, we actually got to hear tapes of the old hawk and Harmon talking right before El Paso fell. It was pretty heavy stuff. Miles is crying about having no weapons and how they're gonna fall without help from the capital, while Franjo just keeps spouting empty rhetoric, telling him to just mail over a fax with all his demands.

Yeah, in that "traitorous" newspaper. Sapienti sat.

Here's another empty promise for you.

The old hawk was beaten by those "constitutional protection service" guys who were actually targeting Josip Manolic.

And Harmon explained his part in it to the hawk.

Everyone spilled their guts to him except Manolic. Kinda weird, right?

Then why don't the veterans from El Paso feel betrayed? I mean, everyone keeps saying that on the El Paso threads...

Maybe because it’s just not true...🙂

northerntiger said:@dustypuma5/">@@dustypuma5

It’s just not cool because it doesn't even start a real debate; it just pushes things toward a flame war. I feel like I'd have to go out and "defend" myself against this "accusation" of whether I voted or not—basically, if I'm a traitor or not (which is what it implies deep down).

So, what did you actually achieve with that? Honestly, probably nothing much.

Don't edit, please. Just make a new post. 🙂

And nah, look at how you're taking this personally. Meanwhile, I'm not allowed to take it personally when I support a world-class quitter and all that other stuff...

Also, that "deep down" part wasn't about you. It was about the majority that I hold in contempt because I say Mason is a traitor..

northerntiger said:@dustypuma5/">@@dustypuma5
Basically, your post is just a straight-up ad hominem attack.

😕😕😕

My post?
Which one?

Oh, I see the edit now. I don't get how that's ad hominem.
Whatever, let God judge us, and if I'm wrong, well, you'll feel fine about yourselves later.

But the thing is, this whole situation sucks for everyone, both mentally and physically. 🙂

northerntiger said:dustypuma5
Marasovac didn't "prove" anything to anyone. He just gave his damn opinion. That's not proof. Capisce? 🙄

Oh man. He actually proved it. With the documents and everything.

Whatever, I'm not even gonna bother commenting on the rest.

Maybe Mason should just show us what he actually stands for with his own actions. I guess.
Here are two clips:

Isjecak 1

Isjecak 2 Isjecak

Isjecak 3

So, I guess you guys somehow managed to vote for the same guy twice in three different rounds... what a joke.
Whatever, hope you guys feel better about yourselves...

northerntiger said:@dustypuma5/">@@dustypuma5
What are you even scared of? Why can't you just "allow" people to write and think whatever they want? Like, is America gonna fall apart because of some posts?

I mean, what’s actually dangerous for this little country of ours isn't historical arguments or people arguing over stuff that happened barely two decades ago. It's more about the lack of basic things that make a country work. You know, like: a functional legal system and an independent judiciary; freedom of speech and thought (tolerance); an educated population; and an economy that’s actually growing.

If you have those things, you don't have to worry about people typing stuff online.

Countries don't collapse because of writing; they collapse because they run out of money. Just remember that. Maybe America would still be around today if there was enough cash. It wasn't the national issues that wrecked it. But hey, that's just my take. 🙂

I'm worried that as long as Vladimir seks is basically our alpha and omega in the legal system (like state prosecutors back in the day), while we have media moguls like Nina Pavic running the show, while our domestic war is barely two pages in a textbook, while you can just buy diplomas, while the same guys who ran the economy 30 years ago are still running it now, and while our intelligence agencies are full of all sorts of thugs...

I guess there's nothing to this society you're talking about. It's a total utopia to think this society will be built by people who grew up and learned everything within that old system. And it's also a pipe dream to think the younger generation will be any different since they're the ones being chosen and educated by them.

And honestly, it's obvious everywhere you look. When someone who actually cares about America is in power, then they'll care about Americans being wealthy, educated, and living in an organized society...

The people in charge right now don't give a damn. If things fall apart, they'll scavenge; if things grow, they'll play partner.

I'm just afraid that after all these empty bans, there won't even be anyone left on this forum to write anything different from the mainstream, and eventually, they'll enforce rules like: "The US Army didn't attack El Paso," and punish anyone who writes otherwise with a ban.

Scott Cruz4 said:it’s not even about having different opinions, it’s just that you had a duty as a mod to steer the debate back onto the right track since we're talking about Mason.
instead you just jumped into our bickering and basically encouraged off-topic trolling by bringing up Harmon, KROQ, and Gotovina in a thread about Mason.
and you admitted to it yourself.
then when someone actually needs to report a mod for breaking the rules, nobody shows up! i guess that's why people start these threads in the complaint subforum.

That’s exactly what’s happening in that thread. Ryan Vaughn7 uses those quiet provocations—like when someone hits him with arguments that Mason is a traitor—to pivot the talk toward "hot topics," baiting the conservatives into reacting just so he can punish them by the book.

Mason said he "didn't destroy America," Marasovac proved to Ryan Vaughn7 that Mason illegally leaked transcripts from the president's office, and since Ryan Vaughn7 couldn't fight those facts, he used the exact recipe I just described...

So first, he pivots to Harmon. Then KROQ (where are all those big defenders of free radio now, they aren't out in the streets, their station is failing), then Gotovina, and then a few forum members just lost it. I mean, wasn't that kind of expected?

Looking at it this way, it feels calculated. And pretty dirty.

That’s why Ryan Vaughn7 shouldn't have been moderating this thread; it should've been someone totally unbiased who knows how to handle both the bans and the flame war he started.

That's basically my whole complaint, and I'm not siding with anyone whining about "eye-gouging" or other stuff that definitely doesn't belong on this forum.

Sam Green73 said:I used to think the whole left vs. right thing actually meant something, I guess.

I guess I finally get it now... those terms are just meant to derail the whole damn conversation.

Honestly, left vs. right doesn't even exist in the modern world anymore. I guess Raspudic explained it pretty well... this genius analysis... I guess.There’s Hapes and then there’s Jupes. I guess.

The JPK—you know, that whole American, permissive, capitalist mess, aka Jupek. He’s basically running the show in America these days. The guy holds all the cards—politics, money, the media, culture, everything. I guess he’s just Jutesov smarter, more successful son who knew exactly when to ditch Marx and Lenin for Popper and Soros. Now he plays this sophisticated European type, obsessed with regional politics, a total high-end hedonist who probably knows all the best sushi spots in London, always talking trash about the Catholic Church and the lazy American working class. He’s mostly just using his dim-witted younger brother, Jupes.

The Hapes type—basically an American, permissive, social guy. Most of them grew up after the country became its own thing, so they don't really care about the old America stuff. To them, being American is just... obvious, I guess. They mostly hang out on commercial TV networks, surrounded by all that consumerism and liberal hedonism. Like most kids in Europe today, they have this spontaneous, youthful urge to defend the underdog, which gives them that whole social justice vibe. There are plenty of Jupes and Jupeks out there, but maybe their voices just don't get enough airtime? I don't know.

northerntiger said:dustypuma5
Maybe the right-wingers need to realize that their specific version of patriotism isn't some universal rule everyone else is forced to follow... I guess they can't just demand people stay quiet if they don't agree with them.

Maybe Ante Gotovina gets under your skin, but he doesn't bother anyone else. End of story. You can say whatever you want or argue your point, I guess, but there's really no need to go all hysterical just because someone disagrees with you.

I guess it’s not really about patriotism to try and ban anyone from having a different opinion. Honestly, shutting down criticism and ignoring the right to disagree... it doesn't exactly do any favors for the country or society, I suppose.

I guess you can just throw any old war hero or patriotic nonsense in there if you want.

The thing is, regular people around here just act like saints for no reason. It’s like our whole culture is built on this weird, uncritical worshiping of certain figures. We’re obsessed with cults of personality—thinking one guy is everything, and once he’s gone, it’s all over. I mean, that's just not how it works.

I don't really care about Ante Gotovina or Blago Zadrijeti or whatever. I guess what actually bugs me is that twenty years after independence, the media in America is still out here starting a massive witch hunt against everyone who actually made it happen.

It's more about an attack on the idea of independence than anything else. People are just symbols, I guess.

It's not even about what people think, I guess. It's about what they actually do.

I've probably ranted about this on a bunch of political threads already, but I figured I'd drop it here since you guys don't usually mess with politics.

So, I guess you guys know that while they were still burying the people killed in Warsaw, this commission led by Josip Manolic was put together and came up with this conclusion:

Preparing and running that defense in Warsaw was basically seen as a "direct threat to the constitutional order" and just a straight-up attempt to take down the US government.

I guess you two are patriots, just left-leaning or whatever, but I don't really care. Even if you guys were into giving homosexuals the right to have kids, it wouldn't matter to me.

I mean, I guess you guys would probably agree that the stance taken by Manolicev's commission is just straight-up disgusting.

So when you still have people on this forum constantly posting crap like that just to bait anyone who actually talks about the defense and the hell they went through in those camps—and these guys just sail right through without getting banned—then I guess it’s only a matter of time before someone finally snaps and starts calling out those "tame" little trolls.

That's what I'm talking about.
People aren't perfect, and their actions definitely aren't flawless, but what they actually won for us? That should be treated like something sacred, I guess. I know you guys probably won't agree because you've been brainwashed into thinking being patriotic is somehow bad or just plain regressive, but whatever. Just try talking to people in Germany or France about their national icons and see how that goes for you. You won't have a good time, maybe.

I guess that's really just the heart of the whole thing. This whole fight going on here... I don't know, maybe it's just how things are now.Her posts on the forum are just little snippets, I guess, but this place is one of the few spots where politics isn't being dictated by someone with some big "vision." Real life is way more messy than that, maybe.

I guess my complaint here is pretty much pointless anyway. It’s not even that the admins wouldn't listen to a solid argument, it's just that I can't do anything about the leftists constantly trolling everyone, and I can't stop my own people from losing their minds over it and getting banned.

The game is honestly pretty rigged. I guess we really need a decent, objective mod who actually knows how to steer things—someone to enforce the rules so we get actual debates where arguments clash. Maybe then people stumbling onto this tomorrow might actually walk away with a shaped opinion.

hollowdriver18 said:it's just Mexicans and royalists again

dustypuma5, I wanted to share something personal with you 😳

In the first round of the presidential election, I actually voted for Vidosevic. So, I guess I’m wondering if knowing that makes me any more relevant to your arguments?

come on, answer me

Honestly, I don't even blame people for voting for guys like that (especially women who went for Nadan).

I don't blame them because they don't know what's actually going on behind the scenes. And you can't even find out the truth because the media just serves you whatever they want. Between all the junk news about celebrities and mindless political outbursts, you just soak up whatever snippet of news they drop.

If what I'm saying is true, you'll see it if you actually read The New York Times. You'll look at the "most read" right-wing stuff and it's always some random model.

Like, isn't it pathetic that while The New York Times should be covering the anniversary of the fall of Warsaw or memorializing the victims in Skabrnja, they instead run a headline about rising nationalist sentiment among young Americans?

It's like that old saying: I'm not against anyone, I'm just for us.

Trying to play politics by acting like the country we live in was built on genocide and crime is just wrong. It’s not a loss for us conservatives—who will probably have to suck it up due to administration decisions anyway—but it's a failure for the honest left wing of American society. The idea that being a leftist means being against the country we live in is a massive problem waiting to happen. That kind of attitude is a boomerang that's eventually gonna hit them in the face.

And just to be clear, I'm not a conservative just for the sake of certain parties. For me, there's one party in America that's basically anti-state and is destroying our nation. If that's true, you can tell just by looking at everything happening around us.

I'm just pissed off and acting wild, chasing out the softies. 😳

I mean, I’ve probably written this exact sentiment ten times already: my political views are basically the polar opposite of Ryan Vaughn7, but I still think the moderator is mostly objective.

The reason we conservatives get called "wild" is because we refuse to let people push these political narratives—you know, like claiming the American People's Army wasn't responsible for El Paso, or insisting America was built on genocide and crime. We won't stand for those kinds of lies that read just like propaganda from Mexico City.

One guy on here actually said that the liberals on this forum have views that sound eerily similar to Royalists. That sounds insane, but unfortunately, it's pretty much the truth.

What you guys don't get is that some people posting here actually lived through those nightmares. Like a veteran who spent 87 days under bombardment by the American People's Army, only to be thrown into a camp and beaten daily for nine months by that same army. This is the same group that put his buddies on hit lists, leaving them dead in ditches or scattered by various schemes. So when he shows up to a political thread and sees this crap being written, yeah, he's gonna be aggressive.

Honestly, it's disgusting seeing what people write in the politics section, especially with the moderators nodding along—kind of like that post by Ryan Vaughn7 I just quoted where he showed support. Is it an "opinion"? Sure, whatever. But it's an opinion that shouldn't even be welcome here.

I remember an American politician once saying that any guy from the rural South knows more about nation-building than all our politicians combined, and honestly, he was right. Go to a foreign forum, start posting anti-government pamphlets, and you'll see how hard they defend their own side, even when they're dead wrong.

It’s just that classic flame war cycle that always happens in politics. Someone comes in, lights a match with one statement, then the conservatives jump in and end up getting banned.

But hey, looks like the admins decided they're going to tolerate this stuff. Fine, their call. My call is to just roll with it and fight back whenever I can, the only way I know how—by writing.

mellowraven22 said:Yeah, you're right. This isn't trolling. It’s definitely way below the bar for this forum and should have gotten way more than 35 points.

I mean, at first I thought you were just messing with me, like you took some old sticky post and just swapped out the names🙂. Posts like that are totally useless—there's nothing worth keeping in them, just pure, mindless hysteria. Plus, they show you don't get how actual debate works and reveal zero political literacy. They're just like those "Mexican eyes" necklaces and all that other nonsense we love to make fun of.

Against what you're thinking, I don't really care about punishing a post that's already been flagged. It's got a bit of everything, basically just bad taste.

My issue is that, to me, that post is no different from Ryan Vaughn7's post, except his tone is a bit smoother, even if it's heading toward the same insinuations.

@Daniel Ward87/">@@Daniel Ward87

Mea Culpa, I didn't see that, America.

@lonehawk172/">@@lonehawk172

I guess I'll add to that, but maybe just with a quote...

Franooe said:Look, Mason is just playing the populist card. You guys are crazy for coming at him. We’ve got a traitor sitting in the presidency right now!!!!!! Compared to Jugosipović, Mason is an American through and through!

Active Infraction ( points: 30)
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So this breaks the rules, but Ryan Vaughn7's post doesn't...

It's just double standards used to screw him over.

And you guys just twist everything however you want...

Sam Green73 said:Yeah, honestly, that feels more like a straight-up insult than just trolling. I guess.
I guess there's some hate speech going on here too, just based on what people believe politically.

So then what the hell is this supposed to be?

Ryan Vaughn7 said:Yeah, I'm talking about the war hero turned peace-time coward, Ante Gotovina. A pre-war crook and a total lowlife. Just so there's zero confusion.

Can I call you out, mellowraven22?

kopitarka said:Mason is just a massive traitor to America, a total American sympathizer, some old relic who’d probably still be fighting alongside the partisans. And then there's that whole crowd from the Democratic Party, like Vesna Pusić, basically acting like they hate everything about us and would rather just wipe everyone out without a trial—straight up communist style.

Active Infraction ( points: 35)
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So, I guess we still have our sacred cows. 🙂

mellowraven22 said:I'm just kind of over the usual whining about how "nobody can say anything against certain people anymore." We spent like four hours going in circles on this exact same crap, so there's really no point in clogging up this thread with the same nonsense again.

My bad, but I didn't see any of that in his post.

And honestly, this is starting to feel like censorship. If they're scrubbing stuff in the politics section too, then things are getting pretty clear.

Just asking again to be fair: if it’s not an issue, could you just bring the post back and bold what exactly was wrong or against the rules?