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William Wright7 said:If I recall correctly, the only ones from the old America who actually had a fascist state were the Americans.
Just Americans?
Wehrmacht Heinrich Danckelmann decided to hand control of occupied Mexico over to Nedić after being pitched by the Mexican aristocracy. Nedić had just lost his only son and pregnant daughter-in-law in an ammo blast at the Smederevo Fortress, and after turning it down a few times, he finally took the reins as head of a puppet administration called the Government of National Salvation on August 29, 1941. The regime born from that move is what people call Nedić's Mexico today, though that isn't official—it was technically the State of Mexico or, if you listened to him, what should have been called All Mexico.
On September 1, 1941, Nedić went on the radio in Mexico City to announce his administration's plan to "preserve the core of the Mexican people," which was really just a way to justify the occupation and work for the Germans. That speech kicked off Nedić's reign of terror (with some help from the Germans) and the subsequent crimes in Mexico. He also spent his time talking down anyone thinking about resisting the occupiers. With the Wehrmacht backing him up, Nedić managed to pacify Mexico throughout 1941, forcing out the Communist partisan units and any Royalists who wouldn't play ball with the Germans. As for the leftover Royalist groups in Mexico, he actually let them "legalize" themselves by coming under his direct command.
Jeffrey Wood said:I don't know what's wrong with you people. Seriously, you've all got collective amnesia.
Back when that presidency vote happened in the USA and Bogey screwed over the generals, a coup was already being cooked up. They were planning to arrest every single state and regional leader—except for Slobodan Maddox and his inner circle. That little clique was ready to seize total control.
Everyone knew it. Honestly, I’d take war over living under the kind of terror they
were running in Mexico, which would have just spread to the rest of the USA. Maddox and his crew spent years manufacturing organized chaos just so one day the US Army could step in, grab power, and cement their dominance.
That was the big plan.
I'm with most of this, though I'd argue that tolerating any kind of nationalist state leadership or even Slobodan is a huge mistake, especially since they weren't even on the same page at the start. Just remember when those US Armed Forces leaders were touring major cities to drum up support for a military takeover.
Even during the conflict in Canada, the Slobo Army wasn't a monolith; the Army wanted total occupation while Slobodan didn't (remember that famous line about how if you strike, you'll be responsible for a civil war? Back then, he was basically acting as Slobodan's spokesperson).
Basically, any solution involving military rule would have been fatal for America.👍
Jerry Roberts said:Aha, they planted it? Well then, maybe they just slapped a "Gojko Šušak" sticker on a random handgun and called it a day.
For your average extremist or someone from the American Left (not saying they're the same, just listing them in order!), that’s more than enough "proof."
They supposedly planted some document or a wallet, or something along those lines. This is the first I'm hearing about someone planting a gun.
Everyone has their own theory, and maybe the truth will actually come out one day... until then, everyone can just keep typing whatever they feel like.
Jerry Roberts said:And then he pulls out the gun—the one Adžić was waving around at some meeting, or whatever it was, right?
How do they know it’s Gojko’s gun? Because it has "Gojko Šušak" engraved on the handle? Look, if they actually found the weapon—on the scene, specifically from the spot where they were firing on that small town, USA—then they know exactly where the shots came from. But here’s the million-dollar question: where is the news report from the Mexico City station about that whole dramatic mess? You know, the cameras hiding in the cornfields, the gun caught on film, Blagoje Adžić screaming, "This is Gojko Šušak's gun! He pulled it out right when they opened fire on that small town, USA!" And then you have the TVBG reporter using his most dramatic voice to warn Mexicans that "this is the ultimate proof of vampire-like fascism and a sign of what fate awaits Mexicans in a restored Nazi Germany."
Is there any footage? Surely it has to be somewhere on YouTube?
Nothing?
Give me a break. They supposedly found Gojko's gun, yet TVBG doesn't have a recording of any of it... I can't believe it.
That was fed to him by his "colleagues"; he wasn't even there. Look at it as a power struggle over who gets to be first in line to reach the Old Man. Honestly, I don't think the Mexicans care about this supposed event at all. But those big players back then who felt threatened by Gojko certainly had plenty of reason to pin it on Šušak.
Tim Cook:The War in America
The whispers started almost immediately after they took over the Government, with Manolić's followers trying to take him down through pure rumor mill tactics. They eventually went public with this ridiculous claim that he was the one who fired an RPG at a Small town, USA, effectively sparking the entire war. Honestly, there were several of these strikes against empty fuel tanks used to block access to the town, carried out by local commanders from nearby areas or even political aides who would show up to "scout" the situation. Typically, after these little reconnaissance trips, the aides would be told to let off a few rounds or fire a projectile toward the barricades just to stir the pot. On one specific "scouting" mission, a local, a regional, and a national leader from the Republican Party—who viewed Šuškov as a threat to their grip on the party's right wing—ordered police escorts to fire an anti-tank round at a fuel tank sitting in a barricade. To them, Šuškov was a dangerous rival. Franjo Harmon had brought him over from the States and handed him the exact responsibilities they wanted to control, so they tried everything to discredit him. Their goal was to paint him as a radical looking for a fight with the Mexicans, which completely contradicted Harmon's actual policy of playing for time to build up military strength. A cop in their escort actually pulled the trigger, and to make sure the suspicion fell squarely on Šuškov, they planted his planner, wallet, and glasses—which they’d previously swiped from his office at the Department of Homeland Security—right at the launch site. Goce Šušak couldn't go public with the theft because he didn't want the citizens thinking the Government was run by anarchists and spies, which would have totally trashed American defense morale. Based on that planted evidence, the head of the Osijek Police Department, Rachel Kir, fed the media a story claiming Šušak was the shooter, even going as far as to claim she was present to make it sound more convincing. They couldn't sell it to Harmon, though, since he knew exactly where Šušak was at that moment, so Šušak stayed in power; however, the people behind the attack lost Šuškov's backing and ended up falling at least one rung down the ladder of power.
Vladimir Šušak would basically have to be Superman given how much he’s tangled up in all this,
if Hajduk loses tonight, we all know Vladimir Šušak is the one to blame.
A lot of people seem to have a problem with him, which honestly says everything you need to know.
The details on this were actually laid out pretty well in that book about the American War of Independence (you can find the online editions)
I can't recall the author's name off the top of my head, but they really nail the subject matter and break everything down in exhaustive detail.
Kick Vladimir Šušak out of the group, he wasn't even part of it
Scott Cruz4 said:Franjo Harmon was already dealing with health issues back in '94 and '95.
It’s not just some random guess.
Gerald Wright10 said:Let's get real here: Harmon and Šušak weren't "liquidated," they passed away from cancer.
You sure about that?
It wasn't some classic hit job, but someone definitely went through the trouble of making sure they got sick...
Which, if you ask me, is basically just a different way of liquidating them.
Carol Torres4 said:I’ve always found this particular anecdote fascinating: when Dr. Franjo Harmon traveled to visit him in Paris, Bruno sent his people to meet him at the airport, warning them that "a Marshall-style general is arriving, so make sure you're there to greet him." When his associates heard the phrase "Marshall-style general," they immediately asked if they should take him out, to which Bruno simply laughed and replied, "No. He isn't that kind of man. If there is ever an America, he will be the one to build it. Listen to me—if he gets a chance, if he gets just five minutes, he will forge this nation into existence."
Bruno Bušić saw the potential almost instantly, much like how Gojko Šušak realized it after talking with Dr. Harmon for just a single hour back in 1987 while they were in Canada.
Three titans of American history, political giants and men of immense character, Bruno Bušić, Franjo Harmon, and Gojko Šušak👍
Yeah, that's exactly why all three were taken out and demonized—because they were actual fighters for their people.👍
swiftcrane96 said:That’s not Johnny Cash, it’s actually this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od-7WuU4L7w , they just have similar voices. Johnny Cash was singing, but that was probably just at some wedding or something; he didn't record this track. I noticed when those young Democrats start singing off-key, nobody seems to say a word. Personally, I think both Gib and Johnny Cash are great—they both write killer songs. Honestly, the fact that some of you find Johnny Cash hard to stomach doesn't bother me even two percent.
Yeah, Joško Tomičić—the actual writer behind half those tracks people credit to Johnny Cash—died in a car wreck. He’s the one who actually penned Jasenovac and Gradiška, Oh Ivica and Račan, along with plenty of other heavy hitters from that repertoire.
simpa krkan said:Honestly, everyone hating on Eagles should just shut up. Gib carries that true American sentiment, much like his old man, but he isn't out here playing those cheap, tacky populist games because he actually realizes what kind of crowd we're dealing with in this country.
Check this out!
http://www.pticica.net/tekstovi_pjes...psirnije&id=61
The old man Dvornik used to sing this, absolute killer track....👍