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School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:You know, looking back now with the perspective of having finished first grade, I can honestly say that delaying school entry is a great move. There is a massive difference in how kids handle things when they start at 7.5 instead of 6.5.
Of course, you’ll find some kids who are totally ready at 6.5—they can manage their own schoolwork and stay on top of everything without much help. On the flip side, there are kids who aren't quite there yet even by age 8.
But based on what I see with my own child and her classmates, as well as my friends' kids, the older ones just seem to navigate school so much better. It isn't nearly as stressful for them.

Okay, look, differences exist, obviously; kids mature, and it would be pretty weird if a six-year-old could somehow handle responsibilities better than an eight-year-old. But I don't think that means we should just arbitrarily push the starting age to 8 just because we feel like it.🙂
First grade isn't really this terrifying monster that a typical, healthy 6.5-year-old couldn't eventually adjust to.
I guess, for instance, remembering what supplies to bring for art class isn't exactly rocket science. Every child needs a period to adjust, and maybe for some it takes longer and for others it's quicker, but I don't think we should be asking for delays just so they can "play longer" or because they haven't mastered drawing like Da Vinci yet.🙄
Not in my book.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Robert Rodriguez9 said:We had our checkup and testing at the doctor's office today. By the end, my wife told me everything went great and he passed with flying colors. Then she turned to me and asked what I thought—basically whether I felt he was actually ready to start school or not. Honestly, the kid isn't even close to the cutoff age yet; he's only six and a half. I walked away with this feeling that they ask every parent that same question. 🤷

It's just a mess.☕
I honestly don't get what the actual goal is with this whole trend of delaying enrollment.
People say things like, "Oh, they've played enough"... I mean, come on, I’d probably be worried if a six-year-old *wasn't* still playing all day.🤷
The whole "let them enjoy being little for one more year" cliché really rubs me the wrong way. It's almost like people act as if their entire life is over once they step foot into a classroom.
Then you end up with someone who's twenty-something years old still sitting there in the middle of high school.🤦
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Well, whenever my friends and colleagues who work in schools chat about this, it’s always the main reason brought up (even though they’d probably swear otherwise if they were posting online 😁). If I had used a smiley face, maybe it would've been clearer that I’m obviously not making this claim based on some formal survey of school principals.

But seriously, I think the real driver behind those classes having only 15 students in Cleveland is something much bigger than schools just trying to meet certain educational benchmarks.

And regardless, what that forum user wrote earlier—that class sizes are being capped specifically because of students with special needs—just isn't true. I don't want to waste my breath here, especially since back when we were dealing with 30+ kids per room, we still had two students with special needs in there. Even right now, in the outskirts of Cleveland like Arlington and Annapolis, the classes are still huge, whether there are students with special needs present or not.

As for your last point, I truly believe our education, science, culture, healthcare, and politics are an exact reflection of who we are as a people; they couldn't possibly be any different given our national character. 🤣

The only thing I don't get is why you can't just poke a little fun at yourself and your profession. You guys aren't perfect, but you aren't the worst either—I just don't understand why there has to be so much intense drama surrounding the whole career.

It's pretty simple: I'm just completely fed up with the constant whining about the education system. ☕
The drama starts from the outside, not from within the faculty lounge, and it has become so exhausting that I don't even have the energy to joke about it anymore, nor do I care to listen to all that nonsense.

And I'll ask you again: how on earth are you supposed to know how many students with IEPs are in each class in Cleveland? 😕
I am constantly checking my own specific classrooms just to make sure I haven't overlooked anyone, so there is no way I could possibly know the numbers for the rest of the schools or classes, or if the total number of students per room has actually decreased in proportion to those with special needs. 🤷
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Is it just me, or is everyone in New York City dealing with crazy overcrowding at specific schools right now, or is it basically everywhere across the country?

Seattle is actually the complete opposite; the number of kids has basically been cut in half, yet the number of classrooms hasn't budged because the school districts aren't letting teachers go.
The average class size over in Seattle is only about 15 kids 😁

I was reading this recent feature story in the Seattle Times about first graders, and my little guy's class was completely left out of the coverage because they have a whopping 28 students 😁
(And the reason it's so packed is because there are two different first-grade tracks—his is a full-day program, while the other group only stays for a few hours before heading home, so all those kids end up crammed into that one full-day "rush."
I went to the same school growing up, and back then, we had three classes per grade with about 30 kids in each.))

I guess I have to wonder if that’s just a random hunch you've got going on, or if you actually have some hard data to back up that claim?🙂

It’s funny, because on one hand, everyone is constantly clamoring for smaller class sizes, arguing that it would somehow magically elevate the quality of education for everyone involved, but then—when the freaking National Association of Educators finally pushes for those higher standards and we might actually see some real benefits from it—suddenly people start implying it's all just an excuse because schools are too stubborn to lay off staff.🙂

Man, I swear, this crowd in America can never seem to find anything to be happy about, no matter what happens.🙏

Our entire American school system is honestly way more advanced than what this ungrateful public deserves.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Jamie Davis9 said:So, you're basically the one running the OSHA compliance tests. Got it. 🙂

🤣
enough said.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
nimblelynx7 said:Interest rates are taught as a single, isolated lesson back in sixth or seventh grade. Is that really supposed to be enough to master everything about loans, savings, and all the complex stuff involving interest calculations?

In America, everyone blames the political extremists from the mid-century for everything wrong since then—including bad weather forecasts, high winds, or even just too much sunshine.

I mean, how many actual hours would you even spend teaching interest in an elementary school curriculum?🍿

And then there's this whole idea about voting... like, how does one actually vote?🙄
Shouldn't that just be its own specific unit where they explain the details, like how to physically get to the polling station and how to properly circle a name on a ballot?
For heaven's sake.😵 🤦
We really shouldn't be treating kids like they're completely incompetent.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Larry Walker24 said:They actually have a Civics and Economics class in high school where they should be covering this kind of stuff

Personally, back when I was a senior in high school, I ended up learning quite a bit about those kinds of topics in that class, though I guess I never really cared for any of it, not then and certainly not now.😁

And if someone finishes their entire American high school education without having the slightest clue what a tax actually is, I can't help but wonder if that's really a failure of the school system itself.
I mean, my five-year-old just asked me the other day what sales tax is, so... yeah.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
I suppose there isn't a single business school or vocational college out there where they don't cover this kind of practical stuff—you know, things like actually filing tax returns or understanding how loans work.🤷
Resumes are written in foreign languages all the time, not just in English.
It’s just that, I keep coming back to this, it seems much more popular in a standard high school to spend all your time grinding through historical details from the old days of the USA or memorizing the population density of South Asian nations.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
I honestly find this whole thing a bit ridiculous.🤷

The truth is, most vocational schools actually cover the majority—if not all—of these topics in their curriculum.
It’s just a shame that trade schools don't really get the same social status, so I suppose everyone just flocks to the local prep schools where they spend way too much time over-analyzing some obscure historical subcommittee meeting.🙂
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Whenever I find myself chatting with my students about this, every single one of them—and I mean every last one, without exception—tells me how much they actually miss having those mid-term grades locked in. They seem to think that without that halfway checkpoint, everyone just gets way too relaxed, and then you end up with this long string of grades they aren't happy with. They basically leave themselves far too much breathing room to fix things, only to realize at the end of the school year that they aren't satisfied with where they landed.
I suppose I’m not entirely sure what my own take on the whole thing should be, since I can see valid pros and cons to both systems, I guess.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Jason Ortiz5 said:If you were actually teaching my kid, you wouldn't have to worry about me being a burden. Trust me, I'm not about to waste my energy walking on eggshells just to protect some massive ego.

I mean, I guess I'm not so sure.
We've heard quite a bit regarding your teacher, I suppose. It seems like there isn't a single thread where she doesn't come up, which is why she stuck in my mind.😁
It’s like everything she does is somehow wrong.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:And then, once again, when the teachers go on strike for the XYth time to get a tiny percentage increase in Y, there will be those same old pleas: "Parents, please stand by us; we are looking out for your children's future." Should we collectively side with the Persephones of our school system? I wonder why, in those appeals, they don't just call us "mommy and daddy" in a condescending way.

I suppose I wonder, though, what exactly is wrong or inherently bad about an appeal like that?
If, just once, people finally decide not to stand by us, I guess everything might just fall apart completely.

But then again, maybe it already has.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
nimblelynx7 said:If you haven't had a reason to show up by June 10th, then you don't need to bother showing up then either. On that, we agree. You’d practically need to be a magician to get anything meaningful done at that stage anyway. Where we differ is this: if it isn't "good," then why was it even allowed in the first place? I honestly don't see what the problem is.

It’s a shame, really. Grades are the only thing that actually matters. Nobody ever asks a kid how much they actually understand; they just demand to see the GPA. But of course, parents are obsessed with those numbers—because at the end of the day, it’s the grades, not the actual knowledge, that get you into high school or college.

My colleagues and I—taxpayers—are the ones actually ordering and paying for these education services. Whether we’re talking about high school graduates or seasoned professionals, the teachers and Department officials are essentially our employees. If one of those graduates shows up for an interview and eventually lands a job, I’m the one footing the bill to train them. I'll be using my own money and my employer's resources to fix all the mess left behind by this broken educational system. And when the employer has to cover the damages caused by that lack of preparation—which can easily run into tens of thousands of dollars—that's on us too. Who else is actually a consumer of this education service?

Of course it starts at the top. The fish stinks from the head down, and all the Department wants to do is cover up the rot. Identity shouldn't even be an issue—it’s just a pathetic excuse. Nobody cares about the success of every single individual student, but everyone deserves to know which school and which teachers are actually delivering better results than others. If they stopped hiding behind privacy concerns, nobody's identity would be at risk.

I can hardly believe it, but I think we’re on the same page here.😲😁

The online grading portal is just another layer of window dressing designed to make it look like schools are modernizing and keeping up with tech trends 🙂 and while that might sound good on paper, in reality, it just gives parents an easy out. They don't even have to step foot on campus anymore; they can check grades on a subway ride or even in a restroom, and as long as they see the number, they don't really care about the rest.

For us, nothing is actually going to change with this digital shift. A parent could see grades in a physical folder just as easily as they can now; the only difference is that back then, you actually had to show up in person and have a brief conversation with the teacher to get the information.😲

When it comes to graduation, it feels like the Department is just trying to hide its own failures. This flashy, expensive project overseen by the DM has been a total disaster since it launched just a few years ago.
The questions being asked are ridiculous, the pass rates are absurdly high, and the results are poor for reasons that everyone already knows.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
urbantinker8: I suppose I should probably mention that I’ve been thinking quite a bit about what was said earlier, though I might be overanalyzing things, which is a habit of mine, I guess. It seems like there’s this underlying tension regarding how we approach these kinds of decisions, almost like when you're trying to navigate a busy intersection in Chicago during rush hour—you think you have a clear path, but then everything just shifts unexpectedly. Maybe it isn't as complicated as I'm making it out to be, but I can't help but feel like we're missing a certain nuance in the way the conversation is moving forward. It’s a bit like watching a slow-moving documentary where you expect a climax that never actually arrives, leaving you sort of suspended in mid-air, wondering if you missed a cue somewhere along the line. I don't mean to wander off on a tangent, truly, but I find that these little details often end up being the most significant parts of the whole picture, even if they seem trivial at first glance.
nimblelynx7 said:Did you ever walk into your boss's office and demand they cut your salary in half while doubling your workload just because you feel you need to "earn" it? And you honestly think that's how you get ahead in life? It doesn't work for adults, it doesn't work for toddlers in daycare. Parents work for a paycheck; students work for grades. Nobody is out here hunting for actual knowledge.

Right, it's all the mothers' fault because they didn't read enough books during pregnancy.

Did the government implement online grading portals just so parents could check report cards on the internet? What's wrong with that? If a parent monitors grades regularly and there isn't an issue, then what? You can't just go in and manually add extra credit points?

I suppose if someone is just hyper-focused on tracking their GPA, it might suggest they don't feel much of a need to actually step up or show any real initiative in class, though I guess that’s a bit of a leap to make, isn't it? Maybe it's just one way of looking at it, but I find myself wondering if that constant preoccupation with grades acts as a sort of shield, perhaps preventing them from really putting themselves out there or taking those social risks that come with participating in school life. It could be that they're just playing it safe, sticking to the numbers because the numbers are predictable, whereas actually showing your personality or making a stand in a classroom setting feels a lot more volatile, I suppose. It's a strange dynamic, really, where you can be technically perfect on paper while being almost entirely invisible in the actual culture of the school.
I mean, are we really talking about everything up until June 10th? I guess it depends on how you look at it, maybe.
urbantinker8: I suppose I should probably mention that I’ve been thinking quite a bit about what was said earlier, though I might be overanalyzing things, which is a habit of mine, I guess. It seems like there’s this underlying tension in how we discuss these shifts in the market, almost as if we’re all waiting for a single catalyst that might never actually arrive, or maybe it already did and we just missed the signal in the noise. I was reading some analysis on how major players like JPMorgan Chase handle these kinds of fluctuations, and it made me wonder if our own approach is perhaps a bit too reactive, rather than being proactive in a way that actually accounts for the long-term volatility we see in the US economy lately. It’s a strange feeling, really, navigating these waters without a clear compass, but then again, maybe uncertainty is just the baseline we have to accept if we want to make sense of anything at all.
I suppose I should probably mention that things seem to be shifting lately, though I’m not entirely sure if it’s just my own perception or if there’s actually some weight behind it, maybe. It feels like we’re all just sort of drifting through these changes without much of a roadmap, which I guess is just how it goes sometimes, isn't it? I was thinking about it earlier while I was staring out at the skyline in Chicago—just watching the traffic move—and it struck me how much we rely on these systems working perfectly, even when they clearly aren't. It’s a bit strange, really, how we just accept the uncertainty as part of the daily grind, but I suppose that’s just life in America, I guess. There isn't much more to say on the matter, unless you count the endless cycles of waiting for something to actually settle down, which, let's be honest, might never happen. It seems like you might have missed pasting the text you wanted me to work on. If you drop the content here, I’ll get right to it—reworking everything to sound like a natural, local American voice while keeping that specific, wandering, slightly indecisive style you're looking for. Just let me know what we're working with!
I find it somewhat curious, I suppose, how certain people don't quite seem to grasp the underlying logic that their paychecks are essentially drawn from the tax pool—which, if you think about it, is funded by parents who have already been taxed to ensure they can perform their jobs in the first place. It’s a bit of a circular thing, isn't it? Maybe they just haven't connected those dots yet, but there's a certain redundancy in how we view the flow of money through the system.
It feels like they’re just pulling money out of the federal tax pool to fund all sorts of random nonsense, which I guess explains why people are constantly losing their minds over every little thing in such massive, non-stop quantities.
urbantinker8:
I suppose I should probably mention that I’ve been spending quite a bit of time lately just sitting around, thinking about everything that comes next, which is a bit overwhelming if I’m being honest. It feels like one of those moments where you realize how much life can shift in an instant, and I find myself drifting between this strange sense of calm and a sort of quiet, restless anticipation. I guess I don't really have a specific point to make, per se, but there's just a lot on my mind regarding the transition ahead. Maybe it's just the way things are settling, or maybe I'm just overthinking the whole process, but I find myself wondering how much of this feeling is universal and how much is just me being particularly contemplative today. It's a lot to wrap one's head around, I suppose. urbantinker8 says:

I kind of felt like everything was just... smoother last year when I chose to keep my national exam scores under wraps—it was such a relief, honestly. I can't quite put my finger on why, but maybe it was just the lack of pressure? I guess there's something to be said for not having everyone breathing down your neck about whether you hit a certain percentile or if you made the cut for that Ivy League school you were eyeing. It felt less like a public performance and more like a private milestone, which, looking back, might have been exactly what I needed to stay sane during that whole transition period. I suppose we could look at this from the perspective of being service users, I guess. It’s an interesting way to frame things, really, if you think about how much of our daily lives is just navigating different systems and hoping they actually work when you need them to. Maybe it’s worth considering how we interact with these providers, though I might be overthinking it. I guess it’s kind of a tall order, but was there really no way for us to figure out which schools—and specifically which subject teachers—are actually worth the time and which ones are just complete garbage? Maybe we could have dug a bit deeper into that, though I suppose it's a bit of a messy thing to track.
I can't quite recall ever coming across an explanation that actually made sense, if that makes any sense to say, I guess. I feel like I've skimmed through plenty of takes on this, but nothing has really felt coherent or laid out in a way that sticks, maybe because everything seems so fragmented lately.
I mean, you aren’t exactly a "user of this service," are you? You aren't some high school senior navigating graduation, nor are you a parent dealing with all that stress, I suppose.
The high school graduation results have already been handed out to the students, I suppose, though there’s this persistent sense that the whole thing is being kept under wraps from the public. It feels like this pattern of "hiding" things isn't actually coming from the local school districts, but rather from the higher-ups at the federal level—likely under the guise of protecting student privacy or safeguarding the overall reputation of the academic system, I guess. It’s just one of those things where the transparency seems to vanish once you look toward the top. I suppose I should mention that the students... though, looking back on how things usually go, it’s hard to say for sure if they really grasp the core concepts or if they're just going through the motions, I guess. It's a bit of a toss-up, honestly.I suppose there’s also that whole issue regarding the sheer incompetence of some of these professors, though I don't mean to sound overly critical, I guess. It just seems like, maybe, there's a certain lack of actual capability in some of the faculty members we encounter.
I guess I've been sitting here wondering what would actually constitute a coherent explanation for me, if that makes any sense, though maybe it doesn't really matter. It feels like we’re always searching for that one perfectly structured argument, you know? Something that just clicks without all the extra noise, although I suspect most things in life are inherently a bit messy and disorganized. I suppose a truly logical breakdown would need to be stripped of all that unnecessary fluff, focusing on the core facts while still leaving enough room for nuance, because nothing is ever quite as black and white as people try to make it seem. It’s a strange thought, really, trying to define clarity when everything seems to shift depending on how you look at it.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:For instance, imagine a strike centered on working conditions and protecting the integrity of the profession itself.
In a manifesto like that, you could lay out both the tangible and intangible hurdles you face daily—and I don't mean "my paycheck is too small," though that's real, I mean things like lacking the actual resources needed to teach effectively in the 21st century.

Basically, an effort to fix this mess:

Parents are basically bullying teachers into handing out grades, which results in inflated marks, and then we all see the inevitable crash when they hit standardized testing.

Because based on what you're saying here, it sounds like you aren't actually doing your jobs.
Your whole purpose is to educate and mentor these kids, but looking at your own data, it seems like students are graduating without any manners—because they've been conditioned to just demand an A—and without actual knowledge, given how poorly they perform on national exams. So, it really makes you wonder what exactly those $1.75 paychecks are covering, besides just babysitting kids in a building?
I’m not trying to be rude; I’m just following the logical conclusion of your own argument.

If you want someone to fight for this profession, you're going to have to do it yourselves. Honestly, I think the first step should be leaving whatever union you belong to, because it feels more like a tool used to cement this broken status quo than anything else.

talking about the dignity of the teaching profession in America.😂
give me a break.🤣

it seems like every single request to improve school conditions gets shut down with those tired, worn-out excuses about how the budget is tight across the board, including over at the Department of Education. 🙂

I wouldn't really frame it as though "we aren't doing our jobs," but more like we are frequently "prevented from actually completing our work properly."😉

so, I guess what we really need is some kind of law that would prevent parents from having the right to wander into schools, say, from mid-May through the start of September, just to harass teachers in the hallways.😁
but we'll probably never see a law like that.
which leads me to think that strikes might just be futile, maybe even just providing more fuel for people to mock us.☕
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
silentraven6 said:I’m honestly sitting here waiting for this "expert" opinion to drop, though I’ve got a bad feeling about it. Everyone who tried to sell me on this approach completely let me down.

The way these professionals basically tear their own credibility down—treating kids like they're just an afterthought and parents like they’re some kind of annoying intruders—is honestly chilling.

That sounds like something a parent would say if they actually stood up for a teacher during a school board meeting when things get heated. Personally, I can't stand either side.

There’s zero real conversation happening because the whole profession has been stuck in this pathetic, outdated mindset for decades now.

I guess I'm not really throwing any kind of "curse" at you, per se, but I am curious if you might eventually view this whole mess—this entire situation—differently once you're actually inside the system yourself.
because, well, it's hard not to notice things when you've been watching it all unfold for years without any filters, whether you're actively involved in the circus or just sitting in the audience watching the show.
and I find that it takes quite a toll on you.

And, I have to say, I haven't actually heard anyone suggest that we view children as an afterthought, though it seems like that's just being projected onto us here. But the idea that parents are increasingly treated like adversaries rather than partners in education? Yeah, that's definitely true.
that's essentially the battle we've been handed by the administration.🕺

And what kind of dialogue are we even talking about?

Parents aren't getting much information anymore, and frankly, the data is a joke. Ever since they rolled out those digital gradebook portals, people just stop showing up... they only resurface at the end of the school year when there's a crisis that needs "handling."
I'm almost looking forward to seeing how the next few weeks play out.🙂
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Honestly, I find it totally wild how people are trying to justify giving in to parental pressure... Like, just imagine if teachers actually stood their ground to protect the integrity of their profession and refused to hand out unearned grades—what would even happen then?

The parent would probably threaten to call in an auditor from the Department of Education, who’d show up, check the books, and confirm everything is perfectly fine.

Or maybe parents just go straight to the principals, and then the principals start playing favorites to keep them happy?
If that’s really how it works, why aren't you reporting those principals to the teacher's union?

Could someone please walk me through this "pressure system" in detail? I’d love to hear about the specific fallout of refusing to give an A to Mark, whose mom apparently stormed in there acting like he's some kind of prodigy who definitely deserves a perfect score just because she thinks he's the best kid ever.

Look, Frupy says she doesn't inflate grades herself, which means she clearly has the backbone to do it right.
But then she turns around and tries to excuse the fact that other people are doing exactly that.
I just don't get the logic behind that at all.

It’s doable, sure, but man, it costs you so much—your sanity, your energy, all your free time. The stress just keeps building up, and I suppose not everyone is wired to just shrug it off like it's nothing.
I happen to have this particular "blessing" where I've got nerves of steel; I know who I am, and I don't let anyone push me around, so if some parent ever showed up at my house with a weapon or caught me off guard in a dark alley, I'm pretty sure I'd end up as a headline in the New York Post.☕
That’s why I totally get why some folks would rather avoid having eight billion conversations with a parent, then the principal, then the guidance counselor, then the school board, then state inspectors, and then dealing with endless retakes, whether they're handled by a committee or not, or a second chance, or a tenth chance... all because little Timmy in his junior year of high school can't quite distinguish between a slope coefficient and an intercept on a graph.

On a side note, I should probably brag a little and say that I’ve honestly never had even the tiniest little hiccup regarding grades with my students—they always seem to know exactly why they earned an A, B, C, D, or F, and they grasp how, when, or if they can actually turn things around.😍
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:So why don't you guys just go on strike over it?
Maybe try asking the union for some actual organizational support first.
Basically, you're living under constant pressure from parents. I really hope you've actually been keeping documentation of all this?
Because once you have that, maybe someone might actually step up and back you when you finally decide to strike for better pay.
And I’m being totally serious here, not even being sarcastic.

What would even be the demands of a strike like that?
Banning certain parents from coming near the school?
All that documentation won't mean much if you don't have anyone to present it to.
silentraven6 said:Of course, when you see how badly kids tank their standardized tests, you can't blame the teachers. It’s the parents who sit there in those classrooms with them instead of actually teaching them anything.

Actually, let's be real—it's on the parents because they're raising generations of idiots...

I don't even know.

I guess we aren't reading very carefully, are we?

Parents are constantly pressuring staff for grades, which leads to unrealistic marks, so naturally, students flop on their exams. The blame lies with both the parents and the teachers who cave under the pressure.
But if we could somehow find a way to stop this coercion—so that grades actually reflect reality and standardized tests work the way they were intended—I honestly believe educators could finally prove everything they've been shouting about for years, instead of being mocked by everyone, just like you're doing now.
Weren't you an education major?🤔
I suppose I'm just looking forward to seeing you experience all of this firsthand, after we've spent pages and pages debating these same topics.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:It’s such a loaded question regarding unions: why is it that they never seem to bring up performance evaluations, working conditions, or grade inflation, but instead focus entirely on protecting collective interests?

And when you look at those "collective" interests, it really boils down to two things: whatever base salary was negotiated (which is basically just some legal minimum for someone with a college degree, so they didn't actually fight for much) and the fact that you can't get fired.

So, in schools—just like in the entire American public sector—there’s really only one rule: they can’t fire you. Everything else is just political anarchy where administrators are appointed based on connections and then protected regardless of what they do, while a mass of employees stays silent and collects a paycheck because "that's just how it is / there's nothing we can do about it."
Most of these people probably landed their jobs through some kind of connection, which explains the whole mess.

I’m glad you put that into words, because I wanted to say the exact same thing, but I figured some self-righteous jerk would probably come after me for it.
At the end of the day, this is pure professional negligence. Your colleagues have essentially decided they couldn't care less, so they won't bother $1.75 pushing back against pressure from parents or dealing with entitled kids who demand straight A's.
By doing that, you're destroying your own integrity while simultaneously preaching about wanting respect for the education system.

It’s all part of the same cycle; it doesn't matter if you're looking at the chicken or the egg, the responsibility lies with everyone: the kids, the parents, the teachers, the principals, and the politicians.

There is no way to avoid being complicit in grade inflation when you are the ones physically entering those grades into the digital gradebook.

For the record, I’ve always been a supporter of entrance exams, standardized testing for both middle and high school graduations, and uniform knowledge assessments.
And based on how well students perform on those tests, that should be the basis for determining the variable portion of a teacher's salary.

Well, that isn't exactly a secret, and I wouldn't call it much of a surprise, either.🤷

And yeah, I agree it's a cycle, but I think we can point to where it all started: parental pressure.
If there hadn't been that constant push from parents, I doubt such a huge number of teachers would have just spontaneously "decided" to start handing out straight As out of nowhere.
Ever since then, it's been this endless loop, and parents got exactly what they wanted: inflated grades and a total loss of respect for teachers, which they basically use as a doormat whenever it suits them.

Regarding those standardized assessments...
In theory, they sound perfect, but when you live here in America, where parents and students almost always believe they're right, things fall apart. You end up with people trying to scrap entrance exams, dodging midterms, and dealing with these over-engineered state exams where the basic level is laughably easy, yet the advanced level is practically impossible given how students actually study compared to their grades. Then, to top it off, they had that brilliant idea that a 20% score should be enough to pass. 👏🙂
So, I guess this whole vicious cycle of grade extortion actually leads to the dismantling of standardized testing altogether. It doesn't exactly start with the educators.
Believe it or not, for most of us, that might actually be a relief.🙏
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
wanderingbadger44 said:Most people don't even blink at it, though there are those who realize it’s a flawed system that shouldn't be applied to adults, let alone children. Everyone else just assumes it’s perfectly fine simply because they see it working in the real world, but honestly? It's a total illusion.

Quincy:
It’s almost as if parents don't actually want to see their paychecks grow while their workload shrinks, which honestly seems like a strange way to look at life.
So, when things don't go their way—like if someone refuses to bump up their salary even though they're doing way more work than originally agreed upon—who exactly are they turning to for help, and what kind of actual recourse do they have? I'd love to see a concrete example where that kind of logic actually holds water; please, show me a case where that mindset isn't just wishful thinking, but a proven strategy for success.
Quincy:
Students should probably be praying that someone comes along to drain their very souls and sip their blood through a straw, especially when they lean on that old logic where God knows five, I know four, and you’re stuck dealing with whatever is left over.
Give me the hard data.

Do you have any idea what the average GPA actually looks like for kids finishing middle school? Honestly, only God knows. 😬

😂

redridge13, I actually forgot to ask you earlier: have you ever really sat down at home and explained to your family what the classroom environment is actually like, and did they ever end up complaining during those parent-teacher conferences? I'm curious what kind of excuses the teachers usually give when people ask why nothing is being done about it.