The Enlightenment as a spiritual movement
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John Jones3 said:Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.
Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.
So, I guess I didn't actually give you the whole story, did I? There were really two different threads going on about this, but you're trying to squeeze everything into one single post, which is probably a bit much, I suppose. Anyway, the thing is, a celestial body is its own thing—we're talking these massive, spherical shapes glowing with this intense golden-yellow light that could be absolutely enormous, like, impossibly huge. Meanwhile, us folks who are still stuck in the middle of an incarnation, we range from being tiny little specks to maybe six feet tall, and honestly, I feel like that physical scale is actually a pretty decent way to tell how much someone has grown spiritually, if that makes any sense.
So, it might feel that way to some people, but I guess we aren't actually a single unified body or anything like that. If we don't reach enlightenment, then once we pass away, things just kind of branch off in different directions, maybe? Like, if someone dies without ever really waking up spiritually, they don't exactly transition into a collective body that moves on to take over a new life or whatever—it’s more like their consciousness just keeps drifting within this specific slice of the aura that doesn't break down. It’s made of this what you might call white bioenergy, which I think makes up about 10% of the whole aura structure. We end up heading off into these specific zones, sort of energetic realms or something, but the tricky part is that you aren't living forever, even though you live for a really, really long time. Those orbs people claim to see? Well, those are probably just those "souls" of the departed or some other weird energetic phenomena, and honestly, there's a ton of that stuff out there. I mean, only the truly enlightened ones who have managed to fully develop themselves get to move forward into that collective body to live eternally.
So, I see you’re really getting into that whole seeing orbs and all that mystical stuff, which is cool, I guess. Honestly, I’ve had my own brushes with energy too—like that one time I saw this super vivid screen of symbols just floating right in front of my eyes and everything. But, if I’m being totally real with you, I kind of view those things as minor distractions, you know? Like, they aren't bad or anything, but they can sort of pull you away from the actual goal, which is reaching true enlightenment. To me, being able to feel energetic shifts is more like a little nudge or a confirmation that you're actually heading in the right direction rather than some massive, life-changing milestone, since anyone can pretty much tap into that if they put in a bit of practice. It's kind of like when you try out some deep meditative breathing or those rhythmic spiritual exercises you might find in a yoga studio in San Francisco; you don't really sit there wondering if Ljubisa or some other guy made the whole thing up, because once you're in the zone, your body just takes over, and your hands and feet start moving to their own rhythm while you're caught in this huge, overwhelming fountain of energy. At the end of the day, I totally agree with you that your own personal experience is the only thing that really matters.
John Jones3 said:Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.
Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.
So, that’s exactly what I’m getting at here. You’re out here claiming to be all enlightened and stuff, but honestly, you seem pretty worked up and ego-driven to me, which is kind of funny, I guess. If we actually went by those standards of yours, half the people hanging out on this forum would be considered fully awakened, wouldn't they? Maybe. It just seems like a bit much, you know?
So, I personally know three enlightened souls and maybe one guy who’s getting pretty close, I guess. There are really only three of them, even though I know a huge crowd of people who dabble in spirituality. Some actually do the work, while others just kind of... pretend to "do" it, if you know what I mean. Back in my younger days, I was definitely one of those people who was just "playing" at it. Believe me, none of the real ones have the spare time to even lift their heads from all their spiritual and worldly responsibilities, let alone spend their days trying to convince strangers on some internet forum that they’re enlightened and checking all the boxes. And honestly, none of them would ever go around calling themselves enlightened. You can just tell by their abilities and that sense of purity they carry—you know, judging by the fruits of their labor and all that. They don't exactly jump out at you, either; you might only catch a glimpse of how different they are when you're actually hanging out with them, but even then, you’d probably just chalk it up to their personality rather than enlightenment. I think the sooner someone shakes off the delusion of proclaiming themselves enlightened, the faster they’ll actually progress. Because once you think you’ve hit the finish line, there’s nowhere left to go.
The road to enlightenment is a long one, and we're talking decades here. Sure, there might be exceptions where someone hits a temporary state of enlightenment, but that’s super rare and usually gets mixed up with just having a sudden insight or a momentary understanding of the nature of reality—after which you just sink back into the darkness again.
Places of power are often churches or temples, but honestly, they aren't always. Places like Sedona that have small elements of power are often just ordinary fields. Like, Aphrodite's beach is just a beach, there isn't anything special around it, and the pyramids near Giza aren't religious sites, yet they still have all those energy fields. Even the old airport in Bangkok isn't a religious site, but it is a Major Manifestation point. These MM points have three specific, incredibly strong energy fields that set them apart from places like Sedona.
It’s true that churches are energetically powerful because of the prayers of the believers, but an inexperienced person shouldn't confuse that with a true place of power. Right now, I know about a dozen people across several different cities who are following this path and are able to observe energy and energy fields with extreme precision. When their visions align and match up with a specific feeling of energetic activity, well, there’s just no arguing with it, not even Ljubisa could say otherwise. I even met this group of intense people from a city like Nashville who create an energy field right in the middle of downtown through prayer. It’s still a bit small and undeveloped for now, but who knows where it’ll be in twenty years or so.
Well, you're enlightened, so you'll be the one to know what's what; I certainly won't be the one trying to convince you of anything, heaven forbid!
