Posts by Gregory Jackson

Rachel Williams18 said:It’s not just about this vs.

Look, free will is basically the engine behind these whole karmic meridian things... It's how all that spiritual energy actually shifts—like, it matures from pure thought into raw emotion, and finally hits the physical plane as actual words, actions, or stuff you do in the real world.

Every time one of those meridians completes a full loop, that’s a single karmic cycle right there.

Okay, so that’s how we build up karma. But I suppose that only applies to that very first life, right? Back when we were just generating karma without having any old debts to settle—basically having total free will without any strings attached. But what about all the lives after that, like this one we're in now? We’ve got existing karma that needs paying off, so doesn't that limit things? Are we just puppets at the end of the day? I mean, I'd like to think there’s still some slice of free will left that lets us make new choices, which then go on to create even more karma down the road.
Supposedly, once you hit enlightenment—which is like the ultimate peak of development—this whole loop finally breaks. Like, a person stops being tied to the karmic cycle because they aren't being reborn anymore. So, karma doesn't need to act as a teacher because you've already learned everything there is to learn. And apparently, whatever leftover karma is sitting there just... vanishes. Or so they say.

analogstag29 said:I truly believe that karma and free will aren't two separate things fighting against each other, but rather they’re constantly weaving themselves together in this intricate, ongoing dance.

Yeah, totally, but I guess the real trick would be figuring out how to actually tell them apart when things are actually happening, right? That’s probably where the real learning happens, I suppose.

Arthur White37 said:If you really want my take on this... the internet isn't going to vanish in 2012 because of some Mayan calendar nonsense or any other superstition. It’s going to happen because things are actually going to go south. Once they start enforcing mandatory microchipping, people won't have a way to spread the word about refusing it.
I recall a high-level figure—one of those elite power players, maybe someone from the Rockefeller family—once remarked:
"The internet represents a massive threat." I can't give you his exact quote, but that was essentially the sentiment. Information travels far too quickly online. Do you honestly believe that Wall Street banks, the CIA, or the Vatican would ever publish articles that undermine their own interests in a traditional newspaper?
Personally, I view the internet as a net positive. While there is certainly a dark side to it, it provides a platform that makes it much harder for those in power to suppress information that doesn't suit their agenda.

The internet is a major threat... well, at least for Rockefeller, because these shadow groups are trying to run their projects in secret. The internet is this tool that spreads both info and misinformation incredibly fast, and it allows leaks like WikiLeaks to happen. That poses a potentially dangerous risk to the secrecy of these massive global agendas, since even some kid with decent hacking skills could become a real threat.

From Tomislav Budak's page (he pulled this from somewhere too):

Major banking families are definitely sitting right at the top of that ruling pyramid we see on the dollar bill, mostly because they serve as the direct mechanism for exercising that kind of power. They pull the strings in a way that Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the banking empire belonging to the world's leading banking family, expressed so perfectly:

"Give me control over a nation's money and I won't care who makes the laws!"

And honestly, that control was seized a long time ago. Rothschild's wife, Gutle Schnapper, expressed the influence of her sons—the founders of banking houses in five of the biggest economic hubs in the world—even more clearly on her deathbed back in 1849, saying:

"If my sons hadn't wanted wars, there wouldn't have been any!"

***

"Things don't just happen by themselves. Events are orchestrated."

John F. Kennedy,
the American President

***

"Some claim that we are part of a secret conspiracy working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing me and my family as 'internationalists' and conspirators, along with others around the world, with the goal of building a more integrated global political and economic structure—a unified world, if you will. If that is the accusation, then I am guilty and proud of it."

David Rockefeller,
the American banker in his book Memoirs, p. 405.

***

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other major publications whose editors attended our meetings and honored their pledges of discretion for nearly forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been exposed to the glare of publicity all those years. But the world is now much more sophisticated and ready to march toward a world government."

David Rockefeller,
while addressing the Trilateral Commission in June 1991.

***

"I used to laugh sweetly at all of that (conspiracy theories, etc.) until I met people from the shadows myself. The smile froze on my face. Those people are silent, and you will never see them in the newspapers or on television."

Nina Mimica,
an American director and writer,
in an interview with the USA Today, 8/11/2008.

And the internet (WikiLeaks and such) is definitely a threat to projects like that.

dustyraven26 said:

Bob The user states:
Those with a bit more spiritual experience will recognize exactly what I’m getting at here. To set the stage, I intend to open this discussion by recounting a particular situation I encountered personally. Before I dive into the specifics, I should probably offer a few observations regarding the intersection of karma and free will as it pertains to this subject.

Karma isn't some cosmic scoreboard designed to hand out rewards or punishments based on what we supposedly did in a previous life; rather, it functions as a sophisticated mechanism for the soul’s evolution and the expansion of consciousness. It is engineered to facilitate growth through the most direct method available—personal experience. Most people tend to view this concept through a simplistic, binary lens, focusing solely on whether current circumstances are "good" or "bad." In reality, we are navigating the resolution of old patterns, where our starting points—our genetics, our birthplace, our family lineage—are essentially the predetermined stage settings for the lessons we are meant to encounter. At the same time, we are actively forging new karma through the choices we make when faced with situations that aren't strictly predestined. There is a tendency toward extreme fatalism, where people attribute every hardship to past actions while completely disregarding their own agency and free will. Such views suggest that life is merely an illusion and that we are nothing more than puppets on a string, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the process.

The concept of "free will" suggests that at any given moment, an individual is presented with a vast spectrum of choices—an endless array of directions in which one might choose to grow, supposedly free from any hidden influences. Philosophers occasionally challenge this notion, arguing that in practice, our agency is constrained by social norms, economic realities, and our own psychological makeup. Essentially, they aren't questioning whether choice exists, but rather how much we actually dare or are capable of exercising it. Yet, if I were to decide right now to move to India, no one could stop me except for my own hesitation. Some extreme perspectives suggest that we are the sole masters of our fate, untouched by any karmic residue from a past life; they argue that everything resides in the present, shaped only by the circumstantial variables of life that we did not choose.

I found it difficult to believe that something could be built from absolute nothingness in a mere two months.

It was difficult to wrap my head around the fact that anyone had even been aware of this before it finally unfolded right in front of me. I couldn't shake the unsettling sensation that I had been nothing more than a puppet on a string. To this day, I remain uncertain whether what transpired was merely karma revealed through an astrological chart, or if it was simply my own free will—though, God knows, I only decided to buy that classified ad out of sheer boredom.

One wonders to what extent our current circumstances are merely the harvest of karma—or "fate," if that term resonates more deeply with certain individuals—versus the direct result of our own free will. To what degree are we simply reaping the consequences of actions set in motion long ago, and how much is being shaped by the choices we make in this very moment? It is difficult to pinpoint exactly where that line is drawn, or how one might distinguish between the two forces at play. For instance, if I were to pack my bags and travel to India, would that be the unfolding of destiny, or a deliberate exercise of my own agency?

I have personally witnessed several instances following the exact same principle that Bob describes, and I have observed this pattern in others as well. It is quite clear to me that when people step in to help satisfy one of my needs, they are simply acting to fulfill a need of their own.
On the other hand, whenever I have attempted to exert control over reality—including attempts to manipulate others to suit my own whims—I have invariably encountered nothing but friction, ranging from blunt rejections to the simple, quiet failure of my desires to manifest.

Ever since that realization hit me, I have dedicated myself to this pursuit, and thus far, I have arrived at the following conclusions:
There exists a certain higher plane of harmony that encourages individuals to seek mutual fulfillment. It drives people toward a shared equilibrium based on the principle that while specific needs may differ, there is always a solution capable of satisfying everyone involved in the process.

I don’t subscribe to the traditional notion of karma or destiny—the idea that you reap what you sow over some distant stretch of time. To me, reality functions more like a mirror reflecting one's immediate relationship with existence. If a person approaches life with genuine respect for the way things are, they naturally cultivate the conditions necessary to see their needs met. However, if they attempt to force reality to bend to their own narrow perceptions of how things should be, life tends to push back through a series of inconveniences, serving as a quiet reminder that control is ultimately an illusion.

Regarding tarot or other tools used to divine fate, while I personally find little interest in them, I happen to know someone who is remarkably adept at interpreting messages from those "higher planes" of existence. In tarot, cards are typically categorized into three stages: the past, the present, and the future. This structure brings to mind a certain American adage: "If you don't change course, you’ll end up exactly where you were headed." Personally, I don't find that sentiment to be entirely without merit.

As for the concept of free will, I am of the opinion that it simply does not exist. Any form of conditioning serves as a restriction on freedom, and man is, by his very nature, a conditioned being. Furthermore, I believe there is no real choice between satisfying one's needs efficiently, inefficiently, or not at all. The only true variable is whether an individual possesses the awareness to recognize the reality of the situation.

That sounds like a classic karmic setup to me.

dustyraven26 said:

Bob The user states:
Those with a bit more spiritual experience will recognize exactly what I’m getting at here. To set the stage, I intend to open this discussion by recounting a particular situation I encountered personally. Before I dive into the specifics, I should probably offer a few observations regarding the intersection of karma and free will as it pertains to this subject.

Karma isn't some cosmic scoreboard designed to hand out rewards or punishments based on what we supposedly did in a previous life; rather, it functions as a sophisticated mechanism for the soul’s evolution and the expansion of consciousness. It is engineered to facilitate growth through the most direct method available—personal experience. Most people tend to view this concept through a simplistic, binary lens, focusing solely on whether current circumstances are "good" or "bad." In reality, we are navigating the resolution of old patterns, where our starting points—our genetics, our birthplace, our family lineage—are essentially the predetermined stage settings for the lessons we are meant to encounter. At the same time, we are actively forging new karma through the choices we make when faced with situations that aren't strictly predestined. There is a tendency toward extreme fatalism, where people attribute every hardship to past actions while completely disregarding their own agency and free will. Such views suggest that life is merely an illusion and that we are nothing more than puppets on a string, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the process.

The concept of "free will" suggests that at any given moment, an individual is presented with a vast spectrum of choices—an endless array of directions in which one might choose to grow, supposedly free from any hidden influences. Philosophers occasionally challenge this notion, arguing that in practice, our agency is constrained by social norms, economic realities, and our own psychological makeup. Essentially, they aren't questioning whether choice exists, but rather how much we actually dare or are capable of exercising it. Yet, if I were to decide right now to move to India, no one could stop me except for my own hesitation. Some extreme perspectives suggest that we are the sole masters of our fate, untouched by any karmic residue from a past life; they argue that everything resides in the present, shaped only by the circumstantial variables of life that we did not choose.

I found it difficult to believe that something could be built from absolute nothingness in a mere two months.

It was difficult to wrap my head around the fact that anyone had even been aware of this before it finally unfolded right in front of me. I couldn't shake the unsettling sensation that I had been nothing more than a puppet on a string. To this day, I remain uncertain whether what transpired was merely karma revealed through an astrological chart, or if it was simply my own free will—though, God knows, I only decided to buy that classified ad out of sheer boredom.

One wonders to what extent our current circumstances are merely the harvest of karma—or "fate," if that term resonates more deeply with certain individuals—versus the direct result of our own free will. To what degree are we simply reaping the consequences of actions set in motion long ago, and how much is being shaped by the choices we make in this very moment? It is difficult to pinpoint exactly where that line is drawn, or how one might distinguish between the two forces at play. For instance, if I were to pack my bags and travel to India, would that be the unfolding of destiny, or a deliberate exercise of my own agency?

I have personally witnessed several instances following the exact same principle that Bob describes, and I have observed this pattern in others as well. It is quite clear to me that when people step in to help satisfy one of my needs, they are simply acting to fulfill a need of their own.
On the other hand, whenever I have attempted to exert control over reality—including attempts to manipulate others to suit my own whims—I have invariably encountered nothing but friction, ranging from blunt rejections to the simple, quiet failure of my desires to manifest.

Ever since that realization hit me, I have dedicated myself to this pursuit, and thus far, I have arrived at the following conclusions:
There exists a certain higher plane of harmony that encourages individuals to seek mutual fulfillment. It drives people toward a shared equilibrium based on the principle that while specific needs may differ, there is always a solution capable of satisfying everyone involved in the process.

I don’t subscribe to the traditional notion of karma or destiny—the idea that you reap what you sow over some distant stretch of time. To me, reality functions more like a mirror reflecting one's immediate relationship with existence. If a person approaches life with genuine respect for the way things are, they naturally cultivate the conditions necessary to see their needs met. However, if they attempt to force reality to bend to their own narrow perceptions of how things should be, life tends to push back through a series of inconveniences, serving as a quiet reminder that control is ultimately an illusion.

Regarding tarot or other tools used to divine fate, while I personally find little interest in them, I happen to know someone who is remarkably adept at interpreting messages from those "higher planes" of existence. In tarot, cards are typically categorized into three stages: the past, the present, and the future. This structure brings to mind a certain American adage: "If you don't change course, you’ll end up exactly where you were headed." Personally, I don't find that sentiment to be entirely without merit.

As for the concept of free will, I am of the opinion that it simply does not exist. Any form of conditioning serves as a restriction on freedom, and man is, by his very nature, a conditioned being. Furthermore, I believe there is no real choice between satisfying one's needs efficiently, inefficiently, or not at all. The only true variable is whether an individual possesses the awareness to recognize the reality of the situation.

So, if that's the case, how do we actually create karma (or conditioning)? Like, how did we end up building the reality we're stuck in right now?

placidranger said:I don't see a conflict between the existence of karma (or fate) and free will.
Karma only applies to external events beyond our control—the big strokes of luck or misfortune that just happen to us. Winning the lottery, losing a fortune, a birth, a death. That's the hand we're dealt.

Free will is our internal capacity to choose how we react. Our behavior can be aimed at various goals—whether innate or learned—but we alone choose the methods we use to reach those goals by weighing the potential consequences of our actions.

It's not that I believe in "karma"—I’d probably swap that word for "randomness"—but it's entirely possible for karma and free will to coexist simultaneously.

Okay, yeah, that makes sense, I guess. Though, it feels like there's a massive gray area in there somewhere—like, say, if a new boss comes in, and he's a total jerk who just hates your guts for no reason. You could say that just happened to you, right? Is that karma? And then do you fight him or just suck it up? If you thought it was karma, you’d probably just endure it and try to help him see the light, trying to get him to treat you like a human being instead of just some subordinate he can take his frustrations out on. But with free will, you could also just quit the company so you don't have to deal with him, but if it really was karma, then maybe the same situation would just pop up again somewhere else because you haven't actually learned how to handle a guy like that and turn it into something positive.
I'm not sure if that's how it works, but it's possible, I suppose. Looking back, I don't think my own situation was just a coincidence; that feels like a bit of a stretch. It felt almost like there was this "invisible hand" guiding me toward a certain point until I finally took charge myself. But honestly, the feeling was pretty uncomfortable, kind of like I wasn't actually running my own life, even though the outcome turned out to be a good thing.

Does group karma exist, though? Like, is there such a thing as karma for an entire nation?

Richard Lewis4 said:You could have chosen not to pursue a better apartment, even if you felt the need for one. That is what true freedom looks like. But you wanted it, there were no karmic roadblocks in your path, and the universe simply aligned to make it happen for you.

Everything we experience in the present moment is, in some capacity, tethered to our past. Freedom is quite clearly just the harvest of good karma.

Well, I definitely wanted it once it looked like it was actually going to be a real possibility. But honestly, it felt like that opportunity was already "pre-programmed" somehow, and that’s the part that really trips me up! I mean, the fact that I saw it coming ahead of time was probably just a fluke, I suppose. I didn't do anything to prepare or manifest it—it was just this obvious realization that I’d eventually need more space, maybe in the medium term. It felt pretty surreal, especially considering everything else was such a mess at the time. If you're asking whether I was actively practicing the Law of Attraction stuff like they talk about in *The Secret*, then no, definitely not.

It’s hard to tell how many times this happens in a lifetime, or if these moments are tied to other things too, even the tiny, seemingly random stuff. I really wish I could spot a karmic situation when it's happening, because then I feel like I could be way more mindful and careful about how I react, so I can "learn the lesson" and move on. I think we all like to believe we're calling the shots using our own free will, but sometimes, I don't know, maybe it's just not like that at all.

I think those of you who have spent a bit more time exploring spiritual paths might recognize where I'm going with this right away. I figured I’d start things off by sharing a personal story of mine to set the stage. But first, I should probably ramble a little bit about how karma and free will actually play together in all of this.

When we talk about "Karma," I don't really see it as some cosmic scoreboard where you get rewarded or punished for stuff you did in a "past life." I guess it’s more like a tool for the soul—a way for our consciousness to evolve through experience. It’s basically designed to teach us lessons in the most direct way possible, which usually means learning things the hard way, you know? People tend to view it in black and white, thinking everything that happens now is either a blessing or a curse from the past. In my view, we live out certain old karmic patterns through things we didn't choose—like where we were born, our genetics, or even our parents—which sets the scene for what we have to work through. That’s kind of like "mature karma" playing out. At the same time, we’re constantly building new karma based on the choices we make in situations where we *do* have a say. Some extreme perspectives tend to blame everything on old karma, totally ignoring the fact that our current choices matter. They claim free will is just an illusion and we're all just "puppets on a string."

Then there’s "Free Will." In any given moment, I feel like a person has endless paths they could take—countless ways to grow or change direction. Ideally, these choices are truly ours, free from hidden influences. Now, philosophers sometimes argue that free will isn't quite so simple because we're often boxed in by social norms, the economy, or just our own mental baggage. I suppose they aren't wrong; they're talking about the *application* of free will—how much someone actually dares or is able to exercise it. Still, if I decided right now that I wanted to fly off to India, nobody could stop me except myself. There are some pretty radical views out there that suggest we are the absolute masters of our fate, that past-life karma doesn't exist at all, and that everything is just happening in the present based on circumstances we didn't pick.

Anyway, here’s the example to get us started.

It was summertime, and I was out for a stroll through town. I was walking with my wife and our little girl when we ran into an old acquaintance. She has a daughter about the same age as ours, and she dabbles in astrology as a hobby. Since we bumped into each other, we grabbed a drink and ended up chatting about the kids (because, let's face it, that's what parents do). I jokingly complained that our place is so packed with toys that I can barely find a spot to sit down. Our apartment is fine for now, but I mentioned that one day we'll eventually need to look for something bigger. Well, she offered to "take a look" using her astrological methods to see what the future holds regarding our housing situation. We both laughed it off—I mean, hey, if she wants to try, she can't hurt anything, right? This was at the beginning of August. About ten days later, she calls me with the news. She tells me she sees a larger place in my future and that I'll have everything sorted out by October—just two months away! She goes into all these technical details, and I just nod along because, honestly, I barely understand any of that stuff. She says I'll be really happy with the outcome. I told her, "Look, we were just joking; we don't have the cash, it's not urgent, and with the economic downturn hitting, we couldn't even sell our current place if we wanted to." For a few weeks, I just treated it like a funny little anecdote. Money was tight, the market had totally frozen up, and I was feeling pretty depressed about it, so I didn't take a single step toward finding a new home.

Fast forward to the start of September. I'm sitting on a park bench on a quiet Sunday morning, watching my daughter play on the slide. Out of nowhere, that conversation about the apartment pops back into my head. I noticed a local shop nearby was still open, so I hopped over to grab a newspaper and headed back to the bench. I had completely ruled out selling our place and buying a new one because the market panic was so intense that nobody was buying anything. But then I look at the paper, and it's full of listings. There were two houses in my city available for a swap. Only one of them even remotely fit my needs, but even then, the owner wanted something bigger than what I had. Whatever, I figured I'd give it a shot. The guy wasn't thrilled, but I thought, why not meet and see? So, I reached out.

To make a long story short, after weeks of back-and-forth, we finally signed the contract in the last ten days of October. Everything just clicked—the money for the difference appeared out of nowhere, and a bunch of other things fell into place perfectly. Our new place, once we finished the renovations, was a massive leap up from the old one. If we had been choosing locations, we couldn't have picked a better spot; the building had actually been voted the best in the city the year before. I honestly couldn't believe that something like this could happen out of thin air in just two months.

I mean, I honestly couldn't wrap my head around the fact that anyone actually knew about this before it all just... unfolded right in front of me. It kind of felt like I was just some puppet on a string, you know? To be honest, even now, I'm sitting here wondering if it was all just karma playing out—like something you'd see mapped out in an astrology chart—or if it was just me exercising my own free will when I decided to pick up that classifieds magazine, though, God help me, it was mostly just because I was bored out of my mind.

It really makes you wonder, though, how much of our life's situation is just karma (or "destiny," if that’s more your vibe) versus how much is just us making choices? Like, how much is stuff we've been dragging along from our past, and how much is just what we're doing right this second? Where do you even draw that line? How can you tell one apart from the other? If I decided to hop on a plane and fly off to India, would that be karma pulling the strings, or would it just be me using my free will?

John Jones3 said:Yeah, just a guess—I have an armchair here that’s about half a meter wide, so it's roughly that size. You've actually piqued my interest regarding this Ljubis guy—or rather, I've piqued my own interest; I need to head over to his site and read everything he's put out. I tried the Peace meditation and it definitely works for me—no doubt about it.

So, that website is actually run by a couple of his more advanced spiritual students. He’s a total layman when it comes to the technical side of things, too—he doesn't even own a smartphone. I don't think he's ever even actually visited the site himself, if that makes sense.

You should check out www.objave.com and look for those two meditations right on the homepage—Andromeda and Orion. They basically activate energies from centers located out there. Just set it to full screen and crank up your speakers. The first time you try it, you'll probably find yourself just staring, trying to visualize what those energies actually look like, but after a while, I think it's better to just close your eyes and focus on what you're feeling. Maybe don't do it more than once a day, though. These are taken from a DVD by Ljubis and another enlightened guy, Dejan Dimitrijevic, who helps manage the site.

fadedskipper52 said:Me, you, and John Jones3 too!

Look, I get it, really, but maybe you shouldn't have jumped in like that. Now you've basically just handed everything to him on a silver platter.

fadedskipper52 said:a) LG
b) Germany
c) Aquarius

Wait, so are you actually Immortal or what?

John Jones3 said:What am I, some stranger you can just quiz for fun?
Since you're already here—I spent last night meditating and praying for my light body to show up so I could ask how enlightened I really am. It finally appeared, much to my disappointment; it wasn't even two feet wide, just a modest half-foot across—diameter, mind you, not radius.
And zero communication was possible—no words, no visions, nothing. Turns out I might have been overestimating my enlightenment a bit. But hey, let the ego do its thing.

cool. But wait, how are you even supposed to know it’s only half a meter, man? I mean, it seems kind of tough to pin down by just "looking" at it because you’d need some sort of reference point to compare it to, wouldn't you? And if it won't talk to you, I guess that’s just a sign that you’ve still got plenty of work to do, just like pretty much 99.9% of everyone else out there. You might be able to get some communication through a high, but that's super easy to mess up because your subconscious starts bleeding into everything. Only the really, really advanced folks seem to get that actual "conversational" type of connection. Another big thing is that it grows through creativity, so when a person is creatively tackling different problems and really hunting for knowledge, that process engages those energetic information sources, and that's how it expands, you know? It grows in knowledge, possibilities, and dimensions, which then loops back and helps the person grow too. I suppose spirituality falls under that umbrella of creative problem-solving.
Also, there’s this whole communication channel thing, like the air that connects it to your aura, which also acts as the bridge to your consciousness. That channel gets cleared out and strengthened when you visit energetic sites or places of power.

It doesn't matter though, I'm just glad you actually saw it so I'm not just sitting here talking nonsense on the forum. From where you are, you could probably only see it from about 300 meters away. Maybe try looking at other people's too. You'll see anything from the size of a picnic basket to something relatively large, and they can be all sorts of colors, like yellow or even reddish. And if you ever find yourself at one of those power spots, you might see hundreds of them clustered together up at like 200 or 300 meters in the sky.

John Jones3 said:I’m more like the Eye of Sauron—terrifying, malicious, and looking down from my tower at all you mere mortals.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...ed=0CB8Q9QEwAQ

So, I guess I’ll just throw out a little something trivial here too, just to see what everyone thinks, you know? Like, maybe...

So, I guess you're wondering what kind of monitor I'm currently staring at all day? Honestly, I haven't really thought about it much lately, but if I remember correctly, it’s a Dell—just one of those reliable ones you can always count on when you're deep in a rabbit hole, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about that question—you know, wondering which countries actually hold the keys to the kingdom when it comes to the company I work for? It’s kind of a trip when you really stop to mull it over, I guess. Like, you go into your shift, grab your coffee, and just assume everything is local, but then you realize the whole ownership structure is this massive, complicated web stretching across the map. I mean, maybe it's just one big American conglomerate, or maybe there are pieces of it owned by folks halfway across the world, but honestly, it's hard to say for sure without digging through all those boring corporate filings, right? It makes you feel sort of small, thinking about how much global influence is tucked away behind a simple office door, but hey, that's just how the world works these days, I suppose!
So, I was just sitting here thinking about all this cosmic stuff, and I started wondering, like, what am I actually according to my horoscope? I guess I should probably check my birth chart or something to see which sign I fall under, you know? It’s kind of funny how much people obsess over those zodiac signs and whether they’re a Leo or a Scorpio or whatever, but maybe there's some truth to it buried in there somewhere, who knows? I'm honestly just curious to see if my personality actually lines up with what the stars say about me!

I mean, if you ask me, for someone like him, this probably shouldn't even be a struggle, I guess.

Thanks, this is actually pretty interesting. I bet someone's already gearing up to jump in and start a whole debate about this...

Jerry King11 said:So, are you concluding it isn't worth the read? 😕

Oh, not at all, I mean, I've sort of circled around her work a few times, I guess, but I always end up grabbing something else that focuses more on practical spirituality. I don't really have the bandwidth to sit around analyzing different spiritual movements—well, specifically her stuff—since, you know, I'm much more into the actual practice part, and I figure we can leave the deep academic analysis to the scientists and professors out there. But hey, if you've got a specific quote that hits the mark, maybe I'll feel like I actually saved some time reading it 🙂

Jerry King11 said:In The Bible, there’s this idea that a true master defines knowledge as something distinct from actual awareness. There is a specific term used for this kind of information—let's call it accumulated knowledge. It isn't the same as true insight. This type of knowledge is just stuff you can collect and pile up. The opposite is ignorance. The text puts it bluntly: "The ignorant wander in blind darkness, but those who pile knowledge upon knowledge dwell in an even thicker gloom."

Whether we are talking about mere data or simple ignorance, both are just different flavors of sleepwalking. Neither helps you actually see reality for what it is. In fact, both fall short. The ignorant are already stumbling through the dark, mostly because they're already lost. They’re the students who are essentially asleep at the wheel, convinced their time hasn't come yet. At least they still have a shred of hope. They might take a hit or stumble hard enough to finally open their eyes. But the truly dangerous ones—those trapped in an even deeper kind of bondage—are the ones obsessively stacking facts on top of facts. That kind of accumulation is the most dangerous way to sleep. If you're just increasing the volume of information without improving the clarity of your vision, you aren't gaining insight; you're just collecting more weight. It’s ultimately useless and quite risky. A soul can get lost in its own library much more permanently than it can in simple ignorance.

Ralph Waldo Emerson, Sacred Science

Haha, man, I've had that book sitting on my shelf for years and I haven't even cracked it open yet. Honestly, maybe just drop a few more quotes here so I can officially decide never to read it at all! 🙂

John Jones3 said:So, where can I actually get my brain waves tested to figure out what frequency I'm running on?

Well, I guess you could check out Wikipedia for something like this:

By using a non-invasive method called an electroencephalogram (EEG), it’s actually possible to distinguish between a few different types of "brain waves":

1. Delta – these signals run at about 0.5 to 3 Hz and you usually see them in kids, during really deep sleep, or maybe even with certain neurological issues like epilepsy.
2. Theta – frequencies ranging from 3 to 8 Hz. This is often linked to being dreamy, or things related to childhood and adolescence... you mostly see it during hypnosis, trances, or when you're drifting into light sleep.
3. Alpha – frequencies between 8 and 12 Hz. This is basically the signature of being relaxed but still alert and conscious. It shows up best when someone has their eyes closed. There's also this thing called the mu-rhythm, which is a variation of alpha. You'll find it in the motor cortex around the center of the brain, and it tends to spike whenever there's physical movement or even just the intention to move.
4. Beta – anything above 12 Hz. These have lower peak values but variable frequencies, and they're generally tied to when you're actively thinking or processing stuff.
5. Gamma – frequencies from 26 to 100 Hz. It's thought that these come from high-level mental activity, like intense perception, awareness, or even fear.
6. Sensorimotor rhythm (SMR) – frequencies from 12 to 16 Hz, which is more about feeling physically calm and staying present in your body.

Maybe try looking around for a clinic that does EEGs, and once they start the reading, I guess you could try making a quick request—like a short prayer or something—just to see which wave frequency it triggers. You could probably try it a few times and then just take the average, I suppose.

Frequencies below 0.5 Hz aren't really picked up by a standard EEG unless the machine is specifically calibrated for much lower ranges. In that 0.5 to 0.15 Hz zone, I feel like people are already tapping into energy, so those energies sort of "speak" to them if they're interested. Once you drop below 0.15 Hz and establish that connection with a guide, well, maybe you won't even care about the numbers anymore.

Honestly, if you aren't into meditating or praying, I don't know why you'd even bother checking all this out.

John Jones3 said:I'll DM you my Chase account info—just toss $100 in there 😂
My abilities haven't been lying to me—it’s just that sometimes I play around too much and end up heading in the wrong direction. Based on your logic, the bar for enlightenment is set way too high; personally, I think you hit that stage long before you can actually interface with those energy guides. What kind of energies are you picking up, anyway? Ever had a conversation with an orb?

I honestly feel like personal powers can kick in way before you ever hit actual enlightenment, especially if you were just born with that kind of spiritual makeup—you know, maybe from some past life or whatever—or if you've just been grinding away at it during this lifetime. It’s kind of wild when you think about it, but I guess those individual abilities really start surfacing once someone can actually settle into a meditative state around 4 Hz or even lower. I was actually chatting with this doctor friend of mine recently, and he’s currently hitting about 2 Hz, which is pretty intense, and he says he’s started seeing energies and stuff... some are super clear and others are a bit more blurry, but basically, the more powerful the energy is, the harder it seems to be to actually perceive it, so I suppose you need a much higher level of development to truly wrap your head around the heavy hitters.

I mean, those aren't even my own personal standards or anything, it’s just what that energy guide lady posted, I guess. You can actually find some pretty similar vibes if you look into those Indian teachers and mystics, too. It’s definitely not like this is some easy task where everyone would be enlightened every other day, right? That’s basically the peak of human development, but honestly, people just have so many forgotten potentials buried inside them that they really need to kickstart before they can ever reach enlightenment. But I suppose the paths are all different—every single one is tough in its own way, whether it's a long haul or a bit quicker, and you might run into more or fewer detours along the way, maybe.

I mean, I’m honestly nowhere near being able to have a conscious, actual "conversation" with energies or whatever, if that makes sense. I’m definitely not out here trying to sprint ahead of the curve because, let's be real, that just isn't happening at my current level of development. I figure once I hit around that 4 Hz sweet spot, then maybe, just maybe, I'll start actually practicing any kind of specific abilities. See, the way spiritual growth works in this system is that you have to focus on the big picture first, you know? You gotta raise your overall baseline level, and only once things are sitting at a pretty solid, satisfactory stage do you even begin to specialize based on what you're naturally drawn to—like, using certain energies to manifest specific powers or working on things like clairvoyance or whatever someone might be practicing. Plus, you usually end up getting these little assignments or tasks from energy guides or other energies you've already made contact with. It’s honestly pretty hopeless when people try to force specialization without having that foundational level established, which I guess happens all the time because everyone is just so impatient or they're desperate to join some kind of spiritual elite. And if you try to go backward or rush it, some people end up in the hospital, especially if they start messing around with Kundalini before they're ready.
It’s kind of like when an athlete decides they want to dive into a specific sport, you know? They don't just jump straight into the deep end right away; instead, they spend all this time working on their general conditioning first, just building up that baseline fitness. And I guess the cool thing about that is, once they've actually got that solid foundation set, they suddenly have all these options because they can pick whatever sport they want to specialize in based on how fit they are.

So, I don't have any sight, which I guess could be seen as a downside, but honestly, I’m in no rush to change that or force anything, so I feel like I can really pick up on the energy and the fields around me much better this way. I've actually heard a bunch of my buddies mention this thing where a sort of screen just pops up right in front of your eyes, almost like you're staring at a television or something. Well, during the third or fourth time those Olympus energies were activating—I was just sitting there with my eyes closed on the bus, minding my own business—this screen suddenly appeared out of nowhere, and man, it was so crisp and high-contrast, just like watching a TV, with all these little circles and dots dancing around on this pink background. It totally caught me off guard because it was so vivid and clear, and it lasted for maybe ten seconds or so before fading. And the crazy part is, other people were seeing those exact same symbols on that same screen too.

Honestly, I guess I’m really just looking for that enlightenment phase and maybe that extra 5% boost, you know? Like, if some other powers or abilities start popping up along the way, then hey, whatever, they can show up whenever they feel like it because I’ll have basically forever to mess around with them and figure them out. Right now, though, I don't think I'd want to waste any precious time chasing all that other stuff.

So, I was thinking about what you saw, and honestly, there are just so many ways to look at it, right? Like, maybe you're just seeing things or having one of those little hallucinations—which happens to the best of us, I guess—but then again, it could be something way more intense, like some kind of intelligent energy or even the spirit of someone who’s passed on, maybe appearing as this little white cloud of pure bioenergy. Or, if we want to get really deep into the weeds, it might be what people call consciousness, which I think is that specific type of energy that hangs around specifically to help humans out, unlike all those other cosmic energies that just do their own thing in the universe without really caring about us. Then there's the whole possibility of a fully developed astral body, though if that were the case, it would probably show up right away or maybe it's actually your own consciousness reaching out to talk to you directly. The wild part is that all these different structures can pretty much take any shape they want, so like, Jesus wouldn't exactly show up to a Hindu, and Buddha probably wouldn't pop up for a Catholic, you know? They basically just pick whatever form they think we'll be comfortable with so we don't freak out when they show up.

I’m not giving any commission to you, I’m just handing it out to anyone who’s actually crazy enough to take it, haha. If anyone's interested, maybe just shoot me a PM here on the forum.

John Jones3 said:So, I hear some blind guy claiming you need a permit for enlightenment—so apparently, you’re officially enlightened on this forum now. But seriously, how do we actually measure that? Is enlightenment just a scale where your light body hits 70%, 80%, or 90%? And what happens to the folks who hit 99%—does the Creator just look the other way for that final 1%?

Look, I’m not kidding—I see auras, I "communicate" with orbs, and I frequently feel my heart chakra overflowing with love. I move through life acting out of pure compassion toward everything and everyone. Sometimes I’ll just hug a pillow, thinking about how we are all One—how this random pillow is neither more nor less significant than I am—and I’ll just pour myself into it until my heart is full again. So, how do I know if I've actually reached enlightenment? I'd say I have. As for whether my light body has expanded by 80% or 90%, I'll leave that to the experts—though I highly doubt spirituality can be quantified, much like trying to map spiritual growth on a graph the way Mr. Ljubo stojka does.

I think that claim—that enlightenment marks the near end of development—is pretty much a joke. Almost.The hard part is still ahead once you start mastering those spiritual powers—they have a nasty habit of sabotaging you.

I mean, I guess I can see how they really managed to pull the wool over your eyes on this one, you know? It feels like those classic little traps you run into on a spiritual journey where, like, one specific talent or maybe even a certain skill set just ends up being a total distraction that drags you away from actual personal growth, if that makes sense. It’s funny how that works, I suppose.

I mean, you should probably just go find your higher self first, right? Like, actually look at it and try to have a little chat. Let it give you the lowdown without needing some fancy PowerPoint presentation or anything. But honestly, I guess why even bother putting yourself through that stress? If it decides to tell you that you aren't quite enlightened yet, you’ll probably just spiral straight into a massive depression. It might be better to just play it safe and not risk the heartbreak, if you know what I mean!

So, I guess you could say I’ve learned how to kind of "tap into" certain energies that actually respond when you ask them to, and they sort of manifest things to some degree, though it's not like magic out of nowhere or anything—it's really just the result of years and years of practice, I suppose. But the thing is, these effects are totally tied to how much I've grown spiritually, and those energies can clearly sense where I'm at by looking at my physical state and my aura, if that makes sense. I’m definitely not sitting here thinking I’m some big-shot guru or fully enlightened, because, well, those types of people don't really brag about it, right? You just receive whatever you're actually capable of handling. From what I understand, once a person manages to hit that 0.15 Hz brainwave frequency during meditation, that’s when your "inner guide" finally shows up and starts taking over to lead you toward enlightenment—which, honestly, can still take years even after that happens. It’s like this specialized spiritual energy that looks out for highly evolved individuals, and it might show up as different shapes or maybe just as a voice in your head. Right now, after five years of grinding away at this, I’m hitting around 7.5 Hz, which is pretty much the upper end of the theta waves. So, yeah, I am waaaaay off from that 0.15 Hz mark. I’d estimate it might take me another 8 to 10 years to reach 0.15 Hz, so if I keep up this exact pace, I guess I’m looking at another 8 to 10 years before I actually hit enlightenment.

So, I mean, I could honestly say that I’m basically out here vibing with pure energy all the time, you know? Like, I’m constantly walking through these massive power spots and I feel like I pretty much have a PhD in aura stuff and spiritual frequencies, or at least I get the gist of it, I guess. If I could just, maybe, sharpen my intuition a tiny bit more, I’d probably be fully enlightened or something. I’ve been posting my thoughts on these forums quite a bit lately, and who knows, maybe some big-shot editor at a place like Huffington Post or Medium will scout me to write for a major blog, because honestly, I feel like a total star. It’s probably just my ego getting in the way of my spiritual growth, though, which is kind of a trip, right?

So, I’ve got this guy from my neck of the woods who’s been working with energy for, like, 17 or 18 years now, and honestly, he’s quite the healer—he’s constantly communicating with energies and his guides, and he can actually activate some pretty high-level energy stuff. He isn't fully enlightened just yet, though, but he’s getting incredibly close, maybe another year or two if he stays on this path, I guess. And how am I so sure about that? Well, he basically has this entire roadmap laid out for him toward enlightenment, complete with specific guidance from his spirit guides telling him exactly what steps to take next to get there. It’s kind of interesting because when you’re trying to activate those massive energetic hubs—you know, places like Mount Olympus or Delphi—it actually requires at least two enlightened beings to be present, otherwise, nothing really happens at all. So, since he hasn't reached that stage yet, he hasn't been called up to lead those big operations because he isn't part of that inner circle quite yet. He’s participating as an assistant, which is super important, like a really vital right-hand man, but he’s not stepping into that role as an enlightened master just yet, I suppose.

Next time we’re gonna have to call you in to help out, just so you aren't stuck being the only enlightened one on this whole forum, you know, so you can actually hang out with people on your own level.

So, I guess, how does anyone actually figure out if others are enlightened? Like, besides those obvious symptoms and powers, someone else who has really clear communication with energies might ask if they’re truly enlightened. And honestly, when you're talking directly to your guide, you kind of find out for yourself—you learn about your new responsibilities as an enlightened soul, and usually, the first big task is finishing up that last 5% of developing the spiritual body. It’s super important to realize that this whole process is gradual, I mean, it takes at least a few months and doesn't feel like some sudden explosion or a massive boom (though there are exceptions with the first type of enlightenment). It's gradual because a new spiritual body is basically being built—it's a new energetic structure where the consciousness gets copied from the aura, but it happens slowly and carefully, which takes time. So, an enlightened person—at least regarding the second type of enlightenment—doesn't really realize there was a specific day or moment when it all happened. Even a guy like Mr. Smith didn't believe his guide when he told him he was enlightened. He kept arguing that he wasn't feeling any symptoms (back then, nobody knew about the second type yet) and that nothing special was happening. He eventually asked a colleague over in Canada who has great communication skills to check on him. She got an answer back saying that according to all cosmic criteria, he is indeed enlightened, and if he doesn't want to accept it, well, that's his problem! Later on, it was discovered that enlightenment actually has its own levels, starting from level 1 out of 33, which marks the stage where a person starts acting as pure energy in a human form, and their duties as an enlightened being deal more with the functioning of the cosmos than with humanity's everyday problems. It’s almost like a coincidence (?) that even the Illuminati use levels from 1 to 33! And "Illuminati" literally means enlightened. It's just that they are the total opposite, totally focused on the material side of things. I suspect that in the beginning, there were probably enlightened people among them who were headed toward spirituality, but later on, the whole movement got twisted—which happens so often, I guess—and turned toward gaining power, like material authority, rather than actual spiritual enlightenment.

There’s this one enlightened guy who is a Tantra master and has incredible powers. He’s a spiritual teacher, and his students claim he’s enlightened, though I suppose he doesn't necessarily have to be, if you ask me. Still, with just a little bit of spiritual practice, you can see he’s an exceptional person, kind of like Eckhart Tolle, because he laid out all the issues regarding the ego and consciousness way before him, but he stays completely practical and dedicated to applying that knowledge. Personally, I think he is enlightened, but at the end of the day, that’s really just between him and the Creator.

Thanks for giving me permission to be enlightened too! I'll get right on it! Now I can finally stop with those boring meditations and go start my own ashram or something. But I should definitely start making bank off seminars, right? 🙂 Does the Orba need a commission?

John Jones3 said:Look, I’ve always maintained that enlightenment is a lifelong journey—I never claimed to be "done" with self-work. The core markers of enlightenment are present in my life, and that’s all I’m saying. Nothing more, nothing less. 👍

Well, okay, I guess those are just signs of significant spiritual growth, whereas enlightenment is more like the (almost) absolute peak of that whole process. And if you ask me, this entire conversation isn't even about actual enlightenment, it's more about the idea of being enlightened, but hey, I guess we kind of wandered off track...

fadedskipper52 said:Am I actually allowed to become enlightened? 😁

Oh, come on, I'm sure the Immortal will let you through. Honestly, though, am I really going to be the only unilluminated person left on this whole forum!?