Posts by stormybadger8

Did you even bother reading the NASCAR decision? 🤣
It’s not Bottas’s fault, it’s clearly just the aerodynamics 🙏🤣🤣🤣

God, I wish they’d handled the situation at Ferrari the same way—just claim it wasn't Vettel's fault, but rather a sudden gust of wind, a stray pebble on the track, or some lady in the stands letting one rip... anything to dodge responsibility.

This whole thing with Bottas and their excuse for why there's no penalty is a complete joke. :clapping: 🤣

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...cedes-923667/?

Maurizio did a good job here 😁
Classy and straightforward, no unnecessary drama. I dig this approach 👍

neonfox65 said:First you said Sebastian Vettel didn't hit Lewis Hamilton on purpose, then you admitted he did, and now you're back to saying you aren't sure.😵🙂

So basically, you're the only one here talking nonsense. And not just about this—it’s been a pattern for a long time.

Look, it’s blindingly obvious that Vettel hit Hamilton—it’s freaking obvious. ☕
As for whether it was intentional? Hell no, it wasn't, and it never would be...
There isn't any footage showing his hand on the steering wheel, and Vettel himself hasn't said what was going through his head. Nobody knows what he was thinking but him.

Bottom line: we can all sit here and babble until Judgment Day, but none of us actually know if he did it on purpose or not.

Which kid out there wouldn't get that? 🙄

neonfox65 said:This sport has been ruined for ages. We need some actual fighting like you see in NASCAR if we want people to actually start watching. 😉

Formula 1 definitely doesn't need an audience like that. 🤦
If they head down that path, they might as well just shut down Formula 1 for good...

Formula 1 has always been a classier sport, not some spectacle for the NASCAR crowd...

jadeseal7 said:Once Sebastian Vettel starts pulling away, he'll probably call Toto to tell Valtteri Bottas to slow down just so he can catch up.

I'm not so sure he'd actually call Toto...
Something weird is going on with the whole Toto and Hamilton dynamic. It’s interesting they didn't use Bottas as a mobile roadblock on track, even though Hamilton apparently asked for it...
And honestly, it's pretty telling that Toto isn't badmouthing Sebastian Vettel at all. In fact, he said it looks like it wasn't intentional and wouldn't dream of accusing Sebastian Vettel without actual proof...

When I remember him being there for those talks with Flavio Briatore, it really feels like Hamilton is packing his bags for the USA, and Fernando Alonso is already lining up to take his seat...🤔

It's even possible Hamilton is heading to Ferrari, which would explain why the Vettel-Hamilton Era relationship suddenly turned so "honest." 🤣
Man, if that actually happens, things are going to get messy. 🎉🤣

neonfox65 said:🤦

I'm done reading this garbage...

Just make sure you don't accidentally stumble upon Wolff's statement regarding the incident if you happen to find it online...don't, seriously, or you might actually get confused.🤣

Don't worry though, you won't find it on those bottom-tier racing sites that just copy-paste everything through Google Translate...it’s not exactly breaking news, and it definitely isn't as entertaining as the usual nonsense coming out of Lauda's or Hamilton's mouths.

neonfox65 said:Niki Lauda: Hamilton’s gonna throw a punch at Sebastian Vettel one of these days... but probably just with his fist.

😁

I'm just wondering if NASCAR is actually going to stick to the rulebook this time when it comes to Niki Lauda and Lewis Hamilton. Honestly, both of them deserve a penalty for the nonsense they're spewing. 🤦
Inciting violence between drivers? Yeah, that definitely counts as "bringing the sport into disrepute." Honestly, if NASCAR actually did their job after those comments, they’d slap a penalty on both Niki Lauda and Lewis Hamilton. ☕

neonfox65 said:But you were literally saying yesterday he didn't hit him on purpose. I'm not even gonna argue with you. You're just trolling at this point.

Look, I’m still not convinced it was intentional. Earlier, you were claiming he just lost control of the wheel while waving his arms around and that his hand didn't move toward Hamilton at all.
And honestly, I don't see a single shred of actual evidence that it was deliberate, aside from a bunch of people talking nonsense. If it was as obvious as daylight, why hasn't NASCAR released a clip clearly showing Sebastian Vettel's hand swerving toward Hamilton's car?
Why hasn't the high-tech crew over at Sky shown us anything yet?

At the end of the day, whether it was on purpose or not doesn't change much—Sebastian Vettel pulled up alongside Hamilton and started flailing his arms... which led to the contact where Vettel's car slammed into Hamilton's.
So, intentional or not, the penalty stands because there's no denying Vettel's car went parallel to Hamilton's and then hit him.

What I really want to know is why there's no footage clearly showing Sebastian Vettel's hand on the wheel...
And why isn't the Sky crew showing the NASCAR ruling regarding Hamilton, or why hasn't NASCAR even made it public?

granitestag15 said:That rule doesn't apply anymore once the lights on the SC go out—basically when they're prepping to head into the pits.

Fair enough, but from what I saw on the replay, it looks like the SC didn't kill the lights until he hit the next turn... though I could be wrong.
He was pretty much right at that corner the moment Vettel slammed into the back of Hamilton.
I say "looks like" because you can barely tell if the SC lights are actually on or off; you can only really see it from Vettel's onboard camera.
What's crystal clear, though, are those trackside panels still flashing yellow and showing "SC."

Do those lights shut off at the same time as the ones on the SC, or only after the SC crosses that SC line?🤷

So, you guys actually read the ruling on Valtteri Bottas 😁

The Stewards examined video evidence and considered that car 7 was making a
speculative pass on the outside of car 77 in turn 2 and that car 77 hit the kerb and was
pushed wide into car 7.
The Stewards determined that no driver was wholly or predominately to blame for the
collision.

What a bunch of geniuses...
I guess the logic is just that Bottas didn't have enough room...

Hmm, long before they even hit the corner, Kimi was already miles ahead of Bottas and there was plenty of space for him if he wanted it...

Besides, Bottas had zero reason to be hugging the curb; he had more than enough room...


Honestly, I can't wrap my head around how any of this could be Kimi's fault 🤷
The only explanation is that suddenly, it's the curbs' fault 🤣

So according to the officials, it's apparently the curb's fault for "shoving" Bottas into Kimi...
The only thing that surprises me is they didn't hand out a lifetime ban to the damn curb 🤣

jadeseal7 said:The onboard footage shows clear graphics on the left side. Hamilton enters the corner at 66 KP, then slows down to 51 KP on the exit.

EDIT: And he’s still more than 10 car lengths behind the SC.

Ten car lengths? 🤣 It looks like at least 20-30 lengths there, but who cares...
Plus, you can't tell exactly from the footage when the lights went out under the SC, so it's hard to say if he should've been penalized for that too...

Honestly, watching the replay, it was a matter of millimeters before Kimi slams into Esteban Ocon and Felipe Massa hits Kimi... and you could probably see Sergio Perez smashing into Sebastian Vettel if Vettel hadn't moved over next to Hamilton.😁
If Vettel had just hammered the brakes, we would've had a massive wreck on our hands.

It's a pretty debatable situation, but damn, Vettel was naive enough to get pulled into playing games with Hamilton, only to end up snapping into him because of it...
If that hadn't happened, Hamilton definitely would've taken a penalty. This looks like obvious compensation...

Because let's be real, Hamilton did damage to another car with how he was driving (Vettel's wing).
On the flip side, if Vettel's move was intentional, he'd get punished immediately, but even then, nobody actually gets hurt from that contact...

So clearly they went for some half-baked solution where Vettel gets penalized, but Hamilton gets hit too by finishing behind him...

So, some numbers were skipped, but why exactly is nobody saying?
I mean, the media is absolutely buzzing about telemetry data, yet the FIA can't seem to find a reason to actually make that decision public if it even exists...

At the very least, it’s incredibly sketchy that we don't have any of this☕

Jonathan Wood5 said:I don't get why people are even arguing when every single car has telemetry right there on the screen.
The FIA is actually going after Lewis Hamilton over his start? Seriously? They’re looking into whether he violated the rules during the launch, and honestly, it feels like they're just hunting for any excuse to make life difficult. It's getting ridiculous. One minute everything is fine, the next they're digging through footage to see if someone breathed wrong at the lights. Just let them race.

What does that telemetry actually say? Besides confirming the FIA has absolutely lost its mind. 🤦
So the excuse for Lewis Hamilton is that he did the exact same bullshit three times in a row, so clearly it's totally fine now...
Another excuse is that he didn't even stay on the track. 😵 Look, don't give me that. It’s obvious as hell that he braked. He definitely hit the brakes.
So, because he didn't come to a full stop right in the middle of the road, it’s all "okidoki," right? Apparently, if you're still crawling along at a snail's pace, you aren't actually stopped. Real logic there. 🙂

Besides, the most suspicious part is that they’re clearly too embarrassed to post that decision regarding Lewis Hamilton and that whole telemetry mess on the official site. Or maybe the data just doesn't even exist. Who knows.
Look, I don't know what to tell you. It's like they aren't even there. Just gone. 🙂
The FIA just dropped the official info for the upcoming GP Las Vegas. It’s all there on their site if you actually care about the technical details. Just another weekend of high stakes and even higher speed. Check it out.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no matter how hard I look, the damn thing just doesn't exist. 🤷

As far as I can tell, that telemetry data is basically being gatekept by the British media. 😁
Meanwhile, there wasn't even a whisper about an investigation into Lewis Hamilton. And wouldn't you know it? Still zero word on a decision. Nothing.
So we're all just supposed to blindly trust these supposedly "unbiased" media outlets? Great idea. 😁

goldenranger6 said:It was pointless for them to even bother coming back once they got penalized and gave up almost immediately.

I’m listening to Lewis Hamilton talk about how kids watch Formula 1... and all that nonsense... honestly, he should probably forget everything he’s done if he cares that much. If he’s so worried about what kids see, maybe he should just stop wearing those ridiculous piercings then!!!

That statement is absolute gold.🤣
Kids are watching, so we gotta be cool, right? So maybe Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel should just run into each other in the pit lane and throw some punches to set a "good example" for the kids.🙏 🤣

Not that it's his fault, but those trashy British journalists totally provoked Lujin's reaction by lying through their teeth...

mellowtiger83 said:You really think Vettel didn't see Hamilton slowing down coming? Yeah, no kidding.

When can we expect it?
Why act surprised? He’s been pulling this same nonsense for years.
Forget these explanations. Just stop. 🤦

Honestly, Pastor Maldonado shouldn't have just stayed in Formula 1—he should've been a multi-time world champion by now. Everyone should’ve known better. The second you see him in your rearview mirror, you ought to just pull over and get out of his way voluntarily. 😁

mellowtiger83 said:Did the telemetry confirm there was no brake test? Yeah, sure it did!

Yeah, that’s the official word from the FIA.
That footage is showing us two different things at once. 😵
Sure, nobody was out there brake-checking like a maniac, but man, the braking and deceleration? Absolutely brutal.
And now, I have absolutely no clue who’s doing what to whom...

mellowtiger83 said:Does Sebastian Vettel need to chill out? Yeah, he absolutely does.

Don't you dare try telling me Vettel couldn't see this coming! The guy just has to go through with it. He has to! Where is he going?! Just go, man! Just go!

I get why he's salty, especially seeing Perez left in the dust while Lewis is just wandering around aimlessly, but man, buddy, just calm down.

We can all agree that Vettel's reaction was incredibly stupid, and he absolutely earned that penalty.
There's zero dilemma here. I don't see why anyone is even debating this. 🤷

mellowtiger83 said:😁

I actually agree that Lewis Hamilton should've taken a pit stop penalty or maybe a 5-second time penalty, but man, Sebastian Vettel deserved to sit in the garage for a solid minute after that.

Is there even a bigger penalty than what Vettel actually got?
As far as I know, there isn't, so I don't see the issue.🤷

Sure, let's say we agree Hamilton earned his penalty, but someone already pointed out how obvious the NASCAR setup was—placing them right next to each other just so they could drop the hammer with a pit lane order...

The real kicker here is that neither of them seems to think they did anything wrong...
The truth is, Hamilton was being a total jerk and deserved it, and Vettel clearly can't control himself when he loses his cool, so he deserved it too...

Regarding temperament, I'll give him this: Fernando Alonso is way better at handling this stuff than Vettel. He’d just calmly tell the team over the radio, "Hamilton tried to kill me, kill me!!!"
"Man, I barely survived that brake testing," or "I feel like a new man." And Charlie would probably just hand Hamilton a penalty based on that alone...
But instead, our genius Vettel lost his mind. Instead of just sucking it up, staying quiet, and walking away with the win and a massive 15-point lead, he decided to wave his hands around and completely blow the whole thing. Pure perfection.

neonfox65 said:I can't believe it, but I seriously🙂🤦

I bet you don't 😁

Raymond Anderson4 said:Then they go crying to NASCAR.
The Hamilton incident is just a perfect example of what happens every single time a Safety Car heads toward the pits.
NASCAR keeps whining about maintaining constant speed, but constant speed my foot. Just wait until the next race, wherever the Safety Car pops up, we'll see whoever it is just slamming gas then brakes, gas then brakes....

Sure, if they were on a straight. But doing it mid-corner or right as you're exiting one instead of smooth throttle control? No thanks...
NASCAR’s big excuse for Hamilton is that he was acting "abnormally" during the first restart too...

I'd love to see if Sebastian Vettel gets a free pass to ram Hamilton in the next race because "well, he did it last time, so it's totally normal and expected now." 😁

mellowtiger83 said:The second thing was clearly intentional on Maldonado's part, and the penalty is way too light. Besides, I don't see where Hamilton is at fault in any of the footage—maybe just a typical race incident.

I never doubted for a second that Hamilton wasn't to blame. 😁

But based on how they've handled obvious intentional moves before, there's zero doubt about what Maldonado was doing here. 😁
And yet, somehow, there's still no talk of a race ban or a black flag. What a joke. 🙂

Richard Ross11 said:I don't get how anyone can claim Vettel didn't do that on purpose..🙂
It’s obvious if you look through three pairs of fan glasses 🙂
I’d love to sit in on the meeting where the bosses tear him a new one afterward...🙂
by the way, I'm not rooting for Lewis Hamilton, he's kind of an annoying guy (not quite as much as Alonso, but close enough)..let's hope this makes the official report...🙂

Look, I'm not totally convinced it was intentional...
He was clearly losing his mind, sure, but honestly? It feels more like he just completely lost focus and forgot how to drive rather than anything else...

though being honest, that’s not any better—it might actually be worse.😬