Peter Phillips32 said:So, look, I mean, here I am again, just... me. Honestly, I've been sitting here thinking, and I figured, why not? I'm just gonna dive right into this, even if I end up tripping over my own feet halfway through. It's kind of my thing, isn't it? Just rambling along while trying to make sense of everything, though let's be real, "making sense" might be asking a bit much from someone like me. Anyway, so, I'm basically saying that this time around... Literally uneducated. Look, I honestly have no clue what you're getting at here, because you haven't actually laid out a single thing on this thread. Do you seriously think I’m supposed to sit here and dig through your entire post history just to figure out where you stand? That’s a bit much, don't you think? So, let me ask you straight: what exactly is this list of "abilities" you've assigned to men versus women? What specific traits are you using to claim we can be equalized, and what other random qualities are you planning to toss into that arbitrary bucket just so you can go ahead and declare women more capable than men?
What exactly do you mean by these "moralistic pressures" you keep harping on about?🤷
See, that’s exactly what you’re doing in that quote up there. You're basically handing me this half-baked answer where you slowly twist the context around until I'm forced to agree with you just so I don't end up looking like some total monster, you know? It’s like you're trying to corner me into accepting your own views as the only ones that matter by using this weird, heavy-handed moral high ground to pressure me.
Look, I’m still waiting on you to actually say something meaningful about free speech—specifically regarding the rights of people who don't fall in line with your worldview—and what the actual legal precedent looks like under the Constitution and laws of the USA. You're dodging the question. And while we're at it, you still haven't cleared up that murky, nonsense logic of yours where you try to equate male and female capabilities by claiming women are somehow more capable. If that's the case, why don't you just come out and say it? What exactly is this supposed "fundamental purpose" of being more capable that you're hinting at? Just lay it out.
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Look, if you’re going to insist on bundling childbirth and general reproductive health into one big category—which, by the way, means you're counting way more than just the actual act of giving birth—then fine, I guess I can play that game. If we're being that broad, then I can just grab the concept of "strength" in its entirety and start listing every single specific example of power out there. I mean, just look at how many different strength-based disciplines they cram into the Olympic Games, let alone everywhere else. It’s a total reach, but hey, if we're stretching definitions, let's go all the way.
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So, if you're gonna hide behind the Constitution and legal precedents, why bother even bringing them up? It makes zero sense. You haven't actually explained how the law or any legal practice has anything to do with freedom of speech when it comes to feminism—especially since you’re out here actively suing people just because you don't like what they have to say. It's a total contradiction.
Look, sorry, but I don't know how else to phrase an obvious fact—childbirth and reproductive functions belong to women, not men—without having to draw you a map? 😕 That’s why I even got a warning card, apparently—not that it’s clear to everyone here.🙄
That is exactly what you're doing in the quote above. You're giving half-answers where you subtly shift the context I'm supposed to agree with—otherwise, I'm the bad guy—basically forcing me to accept your views through some kind of moral coercion.
I have no idea what you mean by a "half-answer," what context I'm "shifting," or how I'm forcing you to agree with me. 😲 Please!
I'll say it again: you still haven't said anything about free speech for those who disagree with you or what the legal precedent is regarding that. And you still need to explain this murky equalization of male and female abilities where women are supposedly "more capable"—would love to finally hear what the ultimate purpose of women being more capable actually is.
What kind of "free speech" allows for insults directed at an entire population of women?😲 Would you be allowed to talk like that about, say, Black people, Jews, Romani, or even Mexicans in this country? If you wrote that any of those groups were generally "less intelligent or less capable" than another race or nation, do you really think that counts as "free speech," or would it be flagged as illegal racism?
Free speech doesn't give you a pass to spit on social groups, especially when they are protected by the Constitution and our laws, as is the case here. We aren't even talking about a minority group; we're talking about the majority, since women make up most of the population in America.
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If you get to include both childbirth and general reproductive capabilities (which implies much more than just giving birth), then I can just bring up general strength and list individual examples of superior strength—just look at how many weightlifting disciplines there are in the Olympic Games, let alone elsewhere.
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Look, go ahead—no one's stopping you. But let's be real, that's not even remotely the same comparison.
If that's the case, why bother bringing up the Constitution and laws of the USA or legal precedent at all? You can't explain how law and legal practice actually relate to feminism's version of free speech—especially when you're busy suing people for what they say.
I already explained it—not doing it again.