Posts by placidorca16

Sophia Thomas7 said:Where exactly in that quote does it look like you were talking about having kids?

Look, I'm just asking because I'm curious.

It doesn't show in that specific quote—it shows up later. Why does everything have to be spelled out instantly? Is there some unwritten rule about the exact order people have to present their thoughts on screen? Or is that logic reserved exclusively for (certain) women?😁

Just asking because I'm curious.

I already answered you, but honestly, that question feels a bit pretentious.

Sophia Thomas7 said:Which exact "undeniable facts" are we talking about here? Someone quoted what you actually wrote, and they had a pretty good reason for doing so. Now you're claiming you didn't mean what you said, but were just thinking something else entirely.

By all means, point out exactly where I ever mentioned a "conspiracy."

Look, I clearly stated that women generally possess more abilities than men. Being able to give birth is an ability—that’s just a fact. Or do you and your little crew think it isn't? What exactly am I "claiming" I didn't say? 😕 Don't try to put words in my mouth that I never uttered or even thought.

Feel free to point out where I actually mentioned anything about a 'conspiracy.'

You didn't say it, but why on earth are you interrogating me about why I edited my original post? As if editing isn't allowed—as if a person can't make a typo and fix it, like everyone else does. Why even ask if it matters to you?😕 Why would that even matter to you in the first place?

Sophia Thomas7 said:Once again, I'm going to say it, and I’ll be quoting someone directly this time:

I honestly don't know how people can live like this. It’s genuinely baffling. You look at what’s happening, you see the direction everything is heading, and you just have to wonder if anyone is actually paying attention. It feels like we're all just sleepwalking into a mess that nobody wants to take responsibility for. It’s one thing to disagree on certain ideas, but it's another thing entirely to watch the foundations of our society get chipped away while everyone pretends nothing is wrong. I’m sitting here trying to make sense of it all, and frankly, I’m coming up empty. It’s exhausting.

It’s nowhere to be found in the text—it doesn't mention anything about having kids. You're basically doing the exact same thing. 🙂 Nah, that was a total fluke. 😬

Joined on August 6, 2013, at 9:07 AM. Last edited by placidorca16 on August 6, 2013, at 9:29 AM.

🙂

Fine, if you and your little "reach" squad want to claim that:🤷 🙄 Good luck turning blatant facts into a joke...

The post was made on August 6, 2013, at 9:07 AM—last edited by placidorca16: 08/06/2013 at 9:29 AM.

🙂

And your point is?🤷 I spotted a typo—literally just a misspelled word—and fixed it twenty minutes later. Is that against the rules now, or are we calling it some kind of "feminist conspiracy"?😕

George Sanders37 said:Look, I'm all for equality regardless of gender, but you seem to talk about superiority constantly in your posts.

So, we're all equal, but some people are just more equal than others?

No—I never actually used the word "superior"—but I did say it's significant, which seems to be constantly dismissed. I'm just asking who decided that? Why is it always being undervalued?

Michelle Alvarez8 said:Look, I don't need psychic powers to understand what's right in front of me. But hey, apparently, basic reading comprehension is pure science fiction to some people, isn't it?

So, who exactly is the "science fiction" in this scenario?

Sophia Thomas7 said:It's because you're acting just like everyone else in this thread. You're doing the exact same thing.

Well, looking at your opening post, it seems pretty well-written and polished enough to me.

So, in your world, is saying women have unique biological capabilities—like giving birth, which is a fact—just as wrong as claiming women aren't as intelligent as men? Because one's true and the other's a lie.😲

I see your original post has been edited a bit; looks pretty polished now.

I haven't actually "edited" anything since I started this thread—there was just a minor technical glitch right at the start that I had to fix immediately. Nothing major.

Sophia Thomas7 said:Your post doesn't make that obvious at all. If I'm being blunt—it feels like a cheap reach because you felt called out.

Why did you go back and edit your original post? 🍿

And what am I supposed to say to that? If it isn't obvious to you or Michelle Alvarez8, then that’s on you... Why would I bother worrying about it?

Why did you edit your opening post? 🍿

What opening post?

George Sanders37 said:How are we supposed to be equals if you have the ability to have children and we don't?🤷

Look, equality isn't about pretending biological differences don't exist—that’s impossible. It’s more about ensuring those differences aren't used to justify social hierarchies where men end up on top and women get sidelined just because they can bear children—which, let's face it, happens all too often. It's honestly absurd that female biology is so frequently devalued when it’s literally what keeps the entire human race going.

Michelle Alvarez8 said:I get that, but the thing is—you weren't even thinking about this when you wrote your original post. 😉

Oh, really?😕 So now you're an expert on my thoughts too? 😲 Just when I thought things couldn't get weirder—you actually think you're entitled to tell me what I meant. 🙄 No comment.

Sophia Thomas7 said:Nice little edit there.

But what about that point Michelle Alvarez8 made—about whether you're actually doing the exact same thing? 😬

That’s not even the same thing—easy to argue when you look at it that way. Women give birth, men don't. So, I guess that makes it an "ability"—more, not less, than men. Men can't even be compared to women in that department. The fact that women have the ability to reproduce is pretty much obvious to everyone.

On the flip side, this thread is all about claiming women have "lower" intelligence or other abilities compared to men—some users call these "facts," though they aren't facts at all because they just aren't true. Any differences found in intelligence aren't statistically significant, and there's actually a tiny spread for men in both the positive and negative directions. Basically, if there are smarter men out there, there are just as many idiots out there too... but hey, that's not "significant." Also, there’s more variation in intelligence within each gender group than there is between them, but nobody ever mentions that as being important, even though it actually is.
Then there's the whole thing about how women get belittled at every turn in these posts—which seems to be considered "normal" on this forum—but unfortunately, it just highlights one other reality: the kind of sexist society we live in.

Michelle Alvarez8 said:Wait, are you actually being serious right now?

Even Robert La Follette would be getting dizzy from a spin like that! 😵

That whole group claims their feminism is totally legitimate.

Even Robert La Follette would get dizzy from this kind of spin. 😵

You're being serious?

Casey Bennett said:I have read through every single one of those linked posts, and frankly, I cannot fathom why you think they deserve any kind of sanction. These people expressed their views on gender relations and feminism quite politely, cultured, and without resorting to ad hominem attacks. They are entitled to their opinions, are they not?

The fact that their perspective offends you personally isn't anyone else's problem—it's yours alone. You are on a public forum. If you can't handle the reality that there are people here who don't share your worldview, then you’ve completely misunderstood how this medium works.

Do you think they're wrong? Then challenge them. Dismantle their logic with actual counterarguments instead of just throwing a tantrum. It’s simple... and quite un-feminist of you. 😉

Right, precisely because it's a public forum. If there were actual "arguments" being made, you could respond with logic—but this isn't that; it's just misogynistic generalizations and insults... Still, nobody's stopping you from feeling as "polite" and "cultured" as those women in the posts claim to be, even if you can't see past your own nose.

dustyranger64 said:Goodness gracious, Jesus. 🤦 🤦 🤦

So, what's with the shocker? You didn't actually bring any real arguments against those insults—you just offered some "comparison" involving a "scientific website," according to you.

dustyranger64 said:Now if only people would actually read my post with some common sense and realize I wasn't calling anyone a "feminazi"—man, where does it end?

Erm... not really.

It's not about the specific topic. It's about the overall vibe from the people hanging out in every single feminism thread on this board. It helps provide context!

That's called a comparison. By that logic, someone who dismisses a scientific link by calling it a "misogynistic site" isn't an "opponent" either—they're just something else.

So, zero ability to read between the lines instead of just taking things literally, huh? Such a shame.

Anyway, I'll leave the moderating to the pros. Sorry for the interruption!

So, in your book, comparing women to being inferior, less intelligent, or less capable than men is perfectly fine?😲🙄

As for that link—I have to wonder what kind of "scientific" site provides interpretations without citing the actual original sources. It's all just guesswork at that point.

dustyranger64 (No text provided to rewrite.)
It’s entirely possible that certain types of misogyny and chauvinism just go completely unpunished around here—not that anyone’s actually surprised.

It’s not just a few outliers—there’s a ton of it on this forum, and it didn't just appear overnight. I've been around here longer than most, so I've seen how things used to run versus how they work now. Usually, you see feminists getting banned for pointing out misogyny, yet the actual misogynistic posts stay up just fine. This kind of thing wasn't happening even ten years ago—so, I guess you could say this site is actually "progressing" in its misogyny.🙄

But look, every coin has two sides—so we really ought to consider that when certain arguments are thrown out there, say in the form of... The latest research coming out of California State University’s psychology department—well, if you can call it that—is officially in.So, if you actually want to challenge a study like that—you know, be a grown-up about it—you’d probably try to dismantle the methodology or poke holes in the actual arguments—instead of just throwing shade at California State University. Just another misogynistic site.

Who was even talking about that? — And honestly, what does that have anything to do with the insults thrown at women in the feminism thread?🙄

Sometimes—if you’re dealing with an opponent who’s actually losing a debate—they’ll just brush off your perfectly valid points by claiming they're coming from some "feminazi" echo chamber—all without ever actually addressing the logic itself. Typical.
Not exactly the most productive way to tackle serious topics—if that's even what we're doing here.
Just saying.

First off, someone talking like that isn't even an "opponent"—in my book, they're something else entirely—but I’ll just keep my thoughts to myself. What kind of "arguments" are you actually bringing to the table when it's nothing but straight-up insults toward women as a whole?🙂

Not everything is exactly according to the FBI's playbook—not by a long shot.

Who said that and where? This country has entirely different agencies in charge of this stuff—but clearly, you haven't even bothered to look into it.

Daniel Ward87 said:Can you send over the links to those specific posts? Only the Politics mods can see which ones were actually flagged. We can't really do anything based on guesswork. Also, keep in mind it's vacation season, so the mod team is moving a little slower than usual.

For instance, user Leonora is out here comparing feminists to Nazis and calling them "vermin":

Then there's this post by Bailiff—I reported it myself, but the mods just ignored me:

I also flagged this one from Felixx, where he doubles down on women being "intellectually and fundamentally inferior"—same result, obviously: 🙄,

There’s an endless stream of stuff like this in this thread—mostly from Bailiff, but others too. I’ve stopped reporting them since, frankly, it feels like a waste of time.

Peter Phillips32 said:Which specific parts of the Constitution are we talking about here, and what exactly is being violated by those clauses?

and the laws of the USA,

Which laws specifically? Which sections within those laws? What part of them is actually breaking the rules?

as well as international conventions against discrimination against women (UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women).

Which conventions? Which exact points from those conventions are being crossed, and how exactly does that happen?

Or are you just expecting everyone to go out and do their own homework once you decide to drop your big ideas on us?

The Constitution: Articles 3 and 14

The Equal Rights Amendment—specifically the sections regarding direct discrimination and inciting discrimination, which is happening right here on this forum, covering Articles 5 through 9:

"Article 5.
Gender equality means that women and men are equally present in all areas of public and private life, holding equal status, having equal opportunities to exercise all rights, and enjoying equal benefits from achieved results.
Article 6.
(1) Gender discrimination (hereafter: discrimination) refers to any distinction, exclusion, or limitation based on sex that results in undermining or preventing the recognition, enjoyment, or use of human rights and fundamental freedoms in political, economic, social, cultural, civil, or other spheres based on the equality of men and women, including educational, economic, social, cultural, civil, and every other area of life.
(2) Discrimination based on marital or family status is prohibited. Treating women less favorably due to pregnancy or motherhood is considered discrimination.
(3) Discrimination based on sexual orientation is prohibited.
(4) Discrimination regarding the ability to obtain or acquire goods, as well as discrimination in the provision of and access to services, is prohibited.
(5) Inciting another person to discriminate is considered discrimination under this Law if done with intent.
Article 7.
(1) Direct discrimination is any action conditioned on sex that places a person—or could place them—in an unfavorable position compared to another person in a comparable situation.
(2) Indirect discrimination exists when a neutral legal norm, criterion, or practice places persons of one sex in an unfavorable position relative to persons of the opposite sex, unless that legal norm, criterion, or practice is objectively justified by a legitimate aim, and the means used to achieve that aim are appropriate and necessary.
Article 8.
(1) Harassment and sexual harassment constitute discrimination under this Law.
(2) Harassment is any unwanted behavior conditioned on a person's sex that aims to, or actually results in, violating personal dignity and creating an uncomfortable, hostile, degrading, or offensive environment.
(3) Sexual harassment is any unwanted verbal, non-verbal, or physical behavior of a sexual nature that aims to, or results in, violating personal dignity, particularly if it creates an uncomfortable, hostile, degrading, or offensive environment.

There's also a whole series of violations regarding the Civil Rights Act, which similarly defines direct and indirect discrimination, inciting discrimination, and its scope of application, such as a public medium like this forum.

And here’s a link to the international UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which the US has also signed—so feel free to read up:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/cedaw.htm

Or—and stay with me here—are you just expecting everyone to magically do their own homework once you've finished announcing your latest theories?

For those out of the loop: these aren't exactly "my ideas."🙄 I just expect anyone working for a major US news outlet to actually know—and follow—the laws of the country they're reporting on. Honestly, that’s what the relevant authorities expect, too.

Alex Barnes8 said:Lately, there have been so many threads about feminism (where, naturally, feminism is seen as the root of all evil🤣) that it’s almost unbelievable.

Maybe the mods over in Politics are on vacation, since there hasn't been much deleting lately.

But not long ago, there was that 'militant feminism' thread where the mods basically carried out a massacre. The way they were deleting and banning people on that topic... it just didn't make sense.
For instance, if you look at the posts by varzo, you might wonder what could possibly warrant a ban. Then look at the replies sent to him (which weren't banned), and I guess it becomes pretty clear.
His only "sin" was probably siding with the feminists.

Right now, there are several threads about feminism scattered across different PDFs—including this one.
And it’s always the same group telling the same stories.
As usual, chauvinists don't realize they're being chauvinists.
They don't even grasp that their statements are sexist.
But I suppose the moderators should be smarter than that, right?

Generally speaking, there's just a massive amount of misinformation regarding feminism, a pile of prejudices, and total misunderstanding. Not just from men, but from some women too.
It would take a hundred years to correct them and explain things.
I don't really have the energy to guide them toward the truth like they're little kids.

It’s exhausting how much they don't get, and how much they refuse to understand.

In my book, there are actually quite a few people who truly don't get it—including the mods. I used to think they were just enabling it, but now I'm starting to doubt that—which makes things a lot less trivial and a whole lot messier.

Generally speaking, there's just a massive amount of misinformation about feminism out there—nothing but stereotypes and pure misunderstanding. And it isn't just men; some women are just as lost.
We could spend a century trying to correct them and explain things.
But frankly, I don't have the energy to play teacher to grown adults.
It’s exhausting how little they understand—and how much they refuse to learn.

Women live in the same society too, after all, and they're socialized by the same people spreading this misogyny. It's nothing surprising, unfortunately. As for explaining or "correcting" everyone—I fear that's just asking too much from this crowd. That's why I've mostly stopped trying. It's such a shame the old archives vanished when this site launched; I used to write so much educational stuff about feminism back then, and there were people here who actually knew what they were talking about compared to today. I just hope the younger generations can get better education on this through more structured systems.

Dear moderators,
It’s honestly wild how several threads regarding feminism—currently active over in Politics (specifically those regarding "feminist protection of domestic abusers" and various "feminism" discussions)—are completely ignoring blatant sexism, misogyny, and direct violations of the Constitution and federal laws, not to mention international standards. A few users (the original poster, along with felix, bongo, and others, plus the thread starter) are basically just insulting women and their capabilities in general—spreading outright lies about female intelligence and skill as if they were "facts," despite having zero evidence to back any of it up. It's baffling that the mods aren't stepping in, especially since these posts have already been reported.
Does this mean the owners of this forum also endorse the misogyny, sexism, and falsehoods being directed at women?
I’m looking for an official statement from the administration here—this isn't just a breach of forum rules, it’s a violation of the Constitution and the laws of the USA, as well as the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.

vividfalcon14 said:Maybe just hit the ignore button? 🤷

Yeah, I did—thanks. Hopefully that actually does something.