Posts by placidorca16

Lisa Moore61 said:If someone decides to have an abortion, that's their business—doctors aren't there to act as judge and jury. Whether it gets logged in the medical records or not, nothing actually changes.

Well, if omitting it from the record doesn't change anything, then why bother recording an abortion when there weren't even any complications?

melloworca6 said:As far as I'm concerned—you don't need to participate in this thread anymore.

Wait, are you actually trying to ban me from participating here?

Lisa Nelson70 said:But then you went ahead and wrote an entire extra page anyway. 🙄 Just for us. 🙄

Why does it bother you so much that I'm talking to people who aren't moderators?

Lisa Moore61 said:If there's a breach of medical privacy, you file a complaint with the State Medical Board—then an ethics committee reviews the case and hands out sanctions.

Can you actually give me one single example where an "ethics committee" actually stripped someone's license for leaking confidential patient info?

Don't just spread bitterness on the forum. 🙂

Maybe I have a reason to be bitter—maybe someone incredibly close to me died because of doctors.

Patients aren't experts enough to know what's relevant to their medical history, and providing wrong data can seriously hurt them—wasting precious time needed for proper treatment or even leading them down the wrong path. It's their own fault.

Oh, sure, because patients are "unqualified"—meanwhile, we've got plenty of incompetent doctors mismanaging care, and apparently, nobody in this country cares.

If you don't trust your doctor, just switch to a different one.

Well, that’s not always an option upfront—sometimes people misjudge the situation, and by then, it might already be too late.

Lisa Moore61 said:As for those who have had abortions—I won't go into full detail since I realize people look at this from perspectives beyond just the medical side, and I don't want to lecture anyone on things we already know—but let's just say if I were Rh-negative and my partner was Rh-positive, I wouldn't dream of getting pregnant again after an abortion without flagging it to my doctor first. Whether it’s a miscarriage or a surgical procedure, it matters 🙂

I wouldn't either, if that were the case. But it’s not some universal rule for everyone—if you aren't Rh-negative, you don't have to worry about it.

Miscarriages can also point toward fetal malformations, assuming they are spontaneous. Or maybe issues with the mother's immune system... though it feels like the other kind is the bigger concern. And those can leave lasting consequences too.

I also mentioned that spontaneous miscarriages are pathologies and should be reported. What I was actually referring to were elective abortions—and those are two completely different things.

melloworca6 said:....

Since it's pretty clear we aren't playing on a level playing field here—and since you've moved straight to power trips and threats—I think we're done.

melloworca6 said:No, I don't have anything to do with the medical profession—but that’s exactly why I’m not going to make categorical claims like you do, specifically your claim that abortion leaves no consequences for healthy women and that it's a detail you don't even need to mention to a doctor if you don't want to.

Oh, really? And here I was thinking you were some kind of highly "informed" doctor.😁 Since you're just stating the exact opposite of established facts, what you're doing isn't "expertise"—it's just being wrong. So, what exactly makes you more competent to make this claim?😕

What I’m saying about abortion isn't just something I made up; it’s professional medical opinion that you can find in plenty of sources. For instance,

On the Mayo Clinic IVF website, there’s an article by Prof. Dr. Simunic titled "Contraception and Intentional Abortion"—go ahead, try to find where it says a legal medical abortion endangers a woman's life. Now, it’s a completely different story when we talk about illegal, back-alley abortions performed by untrained people in unsafe conditions. That’s a whole other issue, especially in developing nations where it truly is life-threatening. But we weren't talking about illegal abortions in those countries, nor did I ever bring them up.

The bottom line is: there are no fatalities from legal, professional medical abortions here in the States. You can verify that through the Bureau of Labor Statistics—just Google it. If you actually find data showing that a legal medical abortion endangered or killed a woman in America, let me know and I’ll personally apologize. Statistically, hospital childbirth mortality is higher than mortality from legal medical abortions in hospitals.

So, what you’re doing isn't a professional analysis—it's just making a blunt, contrary claim without any actual evidence behind it. What exactly gives you the authority to say that?😕

And no, if you didn't go to medical school, you can't claim to know things just because you read an article somewhere. You don't know all the diseases out there or which specific conditions make this data vital, so stop acting like an expert.

Why shouldn't I be able to "know things" if I didn't study medicine? 😕 Is it against the law to follow medical literature outside of the medical field?🤷 If you honestly believe it's impossible for someone in another profession to study or research abortion beyond medical journals, then you are seriously mistaken.

And stop attacking and dissecting the posts of everyone who writes something you don't like or disagree with.

I’d love for you to tell me specifically who I have done that to.So "attacking" everyone—plural—just because I don't know about this stuff?

I thought this forum was actually meant for exchanging views and info. I shared my opinion and backed it up. If you think doctors are the only ones with any insight into abortion, that’s your call and your problem—but it's definitely not reality.

melloworca6 said:When you make claims that bold, just answer one thing—are you actually a doctor?

No, but you clearly are.😁 And what’s that supposed to prove?🤷 Just because I don't have an MD doesn't mean I don't follow certain topics closely because of my actual job.

According to some people here, I shouldn't even tell my husband if I had a legal medical abortion or what kind of child I gave birth to, since why should he care.

Nobody ever said that. Stop twisting things and making stuff up.

melloworca6 said:Look, I get it—a penicillin allergy and an abortion aren't exactly the same thing—but if you don't mention stuff like that to your doctor when it actually matters, you're basically playing Russian roulette with your life.

That’s just not true when we're talking about a legal medical abortion for healthy women. Usually, there's zero threat to her life—I mean, how exactly is a woman's life "in danger" if the procedure went off without a single complication?🤷 A penicillin allergy is an entirely different beast—one that can actually be life-threatening. Let's not conflate the two.

You really think doctors ask about this stuff just because they're curious? — As if they have nothing better to do than collect data for fun.

Some people actually bother to do the research—while others just sit around moralizing.🙄

melloworca6 said:Well, obviously you aren't obligated to share info with your doctor. By that logic, you don't have to mention a penicillin allergy either—so if they prescribe it and things go south, that's on you.

It really depends on what kind of information we're talking about. A deliberate abortion in a healthy woman and a penicillin allergy are... let's just say, not exactly the same thing.

What kind of examples are you even looking for? 😕 Like, if Pero Perić reported some specific doctor and they ended up getting a slap on the wrist or a final warning before being fired? 😕 Posting private details about people on a forum is against the rules.

Media examples—which don't exist, because nothing happened. If a doctor actually lost their license over something like this, the news would have picked it up by now, but—spoiler alert—it didn't happen.

melloworca6 said:Has anyone actually bothered to report this kind of stuff to the State Board? 😕 We all know where these leaks come from—you really think they'd let it slide without a penalty?

The Board pulls licenses left and right.🙄 You’re clearly living in some sort of fantasy land.

melloworca6 said:Clearly on Mars. 😲

Well, unfortunately—I'd say—yes.😢

There are certain professions where leaking someone else's data is strictly forbidden, and medicine is definitely one of them. Just like a banker might lose their job for leaking account details, a doctor can lose theirs too (yeah, believe it or not, that actually happens 😲) if they leak medical records. But obviously, for that to happen, you have to actually report the person.

Sadly, that isn't nearly enough. You have to prove it, which is a whole different ballgame. In those situations, the medical lobby digs its heels in, and the whole thing usually just falls apart.

And what’s happening in hospitals during surgeries, births, etc., has nothing to do with this topic right now. And yes, some people do lose their licenses because of their screw-ups, but that only happens when they get sued.

Seriously, who in America has ever lost their license for breaching professional confidentiality? Can you give me a single example?😕

Most patients or their families don't sue doctors at all, or they just settle with the hospital, take the payout, and the doctor keeps working as usual.

Have you seriously never heard about the cases that blew up in the media—where there were fatalities—and nobody was held accountable? Or the settlements collected by numerous mothers whose children suffered severe injuries during childbirth? Give me an example of that.

I'm also wondering, what's your advice to these women who had abortions? Should they not tell their OBGYN under any circumstances just so it doesn't end up in their medical file? 😕

My advice is that they should do whatever they feel is right. I was simply warning them that they aren't obligated to share that kind of information with doctors they don't trust.

melloworca6 said:Just a heads-up, ladies—if you happen to notice any of your private medical records leaking out somewhere, report it immediately. Someone is definitely going to get called out for that.

I'm sure hospitals and clinics have all sorts of things going on behind closed doors—but patient records aren't exactly meant to be public property. Honestly, you’d lose your medical license over that. It makes me wonder which idiot would actually risk a career they spent seven or eight years studying and specializing for just to leak some info about an unnamed person having AB blood type. 🤷

😲Do you know anyone in the States who actually lost their license because they leaked patient privacy info?😕 I have to say—I haven’t heard of anything like that happening in this country. Around here, people don't lose their medical licenses for stuff like that—not even when things get significantly worse. We've had cases where people actually died, or mothers lost their lives during childbirth, or kids were born with severe disabilities because of doctor errors... and yet, no physician has lost their license over it. So, losing one just for "misreporting" a medical file seems a bit much.🙄 Where do you live?😲

Then there's those other studies out there—you know, the ones that claim there's no actual link between miscarriage and an increased risk of breast cancer.

boldridge92 said:Looks like my question started a bit of a landslide—wasn't trying to imply there's zero evidence or that things will be hidden in the future. It’s just that fear is real, given how things work here; anyone with access to the Medicare database could potentially stumble upon your data, even if it has nothing to do with them. Answering the technical questions is one thing, but since we've suddenly become such a "moral" society, people end up facing all sorts of judgment from self-righteous types—it's a massive blow to a patient's right to privacy
. My apologies if the question felt out of place, I just really need an answer

I think that’s spot on—there’s basically no guarantee that someone who shouldn't be looking won't get their hands on that data, or worse, someone with bad intentions. That’s why I laid everything out above. It would be a completely different story if we were living in, say, Sweden.

Sophia Wells72 said:@Maria Booth96, I’m with you on that—signed, sealed, delivered.

@NortWind, stop playing her defense attorney—it’s not like you're always right, anyway.

Look, I’m far from being some legal expert—and trust me, I'm definitely not always right—but I’m just sharing my take here, much like everyone else on this board.

First off—there are actual studies out there. And I’m pretty sure you’re already aware of the big ones linking abortion to breast cancer risks—not to mention all the others.
Second off—every gynecologist and oncologist is going to grill you about whether you’ve given birth, had a miscarriage, or an abortion. Amen. It's vital info for any decent, thorough, and responsible doctor—even if it feels like a lot for the patient.
And whether they'll start preaching about morality—well, that’s not really what we're here to debate.

That previous post felt a little too preachy for my taste—which is why I’m chiming in, though honestly, I usually wouldn't bother.

When it comes to research and all that "correlation" talk—it’s still just probabilities, not actual cause and effect. Besides, every woman decides her own moves, including what she shares or keeps to herself based on her own life and circumstances. I'm just saying she isn't obligated to say a word if she doesn't want to—there aren't any laws forcing her hand—but if she wants to talk, that's her call.

It’d be even better if they showed up for some future surgery down there—and kept their mouth shut about the abortion. Then, of course, they’ll turn around and blame the doctor when things inevitably go sideways.
My mom recently had surgery—standard stuff—but apparently, it was the surgeon's job to ask her all sorts of questions, including things about whether she’d ever had an abortion.

Look, that's just my take on things—it’s pretty simple. People can talk about health risks when they actually have them, you know? Why go ahead and make a thing out of it before there's even an issue?😕 At the end of the day, nobody can actually guarantee anything when it comes to your health—regardless of whether they’re being upfront or keeping you in the dark.

Maria Booth96 said:I don't mean to meddle in this thread—it’s easy for things to get heated here—but I do want to point something out.

Then why jump in at all?

It’s only natural for a doctor to know that information for their own good, so it’s smart to be honest during an intake. Every time a gynecological file is opened, those kinds of questions come up—they aren't irrelevant.

It isn't "natural." The only thing that's natural is treating the consequences, if there are any. But a medical abortion typically leaves no lasting impact on healthy women. If issues do arise later, you can address them then. Why volunteer the info upfront?🤷 There are already enough moralists in this country without forcing women to deal with judgmental doctors on top of everything else.🙄 What gets recorded in files usually refers to miscarriages, which are pathological conditions. Intentional abortions aren't a disease and shouldn't be treated as one.

Scientists are looking into links between miscarriages and certain diseases, so obviously, they need to know if a pregnancy was the first or the fourth.

Why should a patient care about someone else's scientific study on miscarriage?😕 If someone is actually conducting research involving a patient's history, it would be standard practice to tell them—that’s basically the ethical code for research.

What do you think happens when a hematologist asks for professional reasons, "Have you ever had a miscarriage?"—because a blood disorder might only show up during a first pregnancy—and you just say, "No, why does it matter to you?"

Diseases can surface during any pregnancy, whether there’s a miscarriage or not. Miscarriages, generally speaking, aren't the cause of illness in healthy women.

Well, doctors aren't just anyone. 🤷

Depends on the doctor. And unfortunately, you can find a moralist at every turn, even in medicine.🙄

It’s common knowledge that smokers have a much higher risk of developing lung cancer compared to non-smokers.☕ My dad passed away from lung cancer too—so yeah, I quit smoking pretty quickly after that out of pure terror. Honestly, fear is actually a pretty great motivator for quitting.😁

Try some self-control—but if that’s proving too much to handle, maybe it's time to call in a professional.☕

Susan Harris said:This is actually the third thread I’ve started just to get some straight answers—everyone else is just guessing...
SO, HERE'S THE DEAL:::
I'm 26, and so far, all my Pap smears have come back clear. Just had my annual checkup this morning, and after the Pap, my OB-GYN mentioned I should consider getting the Merck vaccine if this result stays negative.
A few questions... Has anyone here gotten vaccinated later than age 13? And what are we talking about regarding COST? Apparently, it's insanely expensive. Then again, I've heard rumors you can get it for free through insurance or certain programs.
Does anyone actually know the deal with this...
Thanks

A Pap smear doesn't actually prove you don't have Merck, or any other underlying issue for that matter. It only shows cellular changes. If you want to know if the virus is actually present, you need swabs and genotyping. Otherwise, you could have a perfectly "clean" Pap and still be carrying Merck.