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Douglas Brown4 said:I am the master. And I am not separate from him.

Even if you were to achieve pure selfhood—which, based on your writing, I don't think you have yet—you would still be disconnected from God, who is the very essence of the universe.

Separate, yes, but in connection with him.

I guess you believe that even in their immortality and purity, senses remain severed.
That basically means MULTIIZAM.🤣
The multi-layered fragmentation of "infinutuUm."

That’s right.

make up your mind😁>

Douglas Brown4 said:Of course I am not. Just like you aren't. Neither of us actually has any proof. I suppose that is why this discussion isn't going anywhere.

imagine if it were possible to "exist"—to live in a state of complete detachment from everything—while everything just keeps happening on its own, exactly the same way it did before you ever had that "realization."😁

Everything happens regardless of me anyway. Except for whatever I choose to focus on. When I do that, things unfold how I want them to, within certain degrees of freedom, I guess.

How on earth can you claim to know what I am aware of? According to your own logic, you can't possibly know ANYTHING about anyone else's consciousness, let alone their private thoughts. By making that claim, you’ve effectively tripped over your own feet and fallen face-first into your own trap.😉 😁 😁

Douglas Brown4 said:I don't think I am a product of some mechanism.

All thoughts, whatever they may be, just happen on their own.😉

Well, maybe not quite.

Yeah, sure... but you haven't even begun to grasp the reality of it yet.

Imagine, if you can, the sheer audacity of "existing"—truly existing—in a state of total detachment from everything. A complete lack of attachment to any outcome, any object, any ego. Picture a reality where everything unfolds exactly as it always has, following its own internal logic, entirely indifferent to whether or not you finally "realize" it. The gears turn, the seasons shift, the chaos continues, all regardless of your little moment of enlightenment. It just happens. Just like it always did.😁

Douglas Brown4 said:Maybe we can't find it because we simply don't understand how neural structures actually function. Perhaps the self isn't from this world at all. It might arrive from the outside into any system complex and well-designed enough to receive it. A neural structure isn't a mechanism that generates the self; rather, it acts as a house that the eternal self moves into. When Fritjof and others discuss this, I wonder: why couldn't I just create a self inside a computer? It doesn't seem reproducible.
The issue, I suspect, lies in the ignorance of those writing these theories. Those who claim the self is the root of frustration and suffering are free to believe that. Personally, I maintain that I am myself, not some illusion of interconnectedness. My suffering doesn't stem from my sense of self, but rather from the egoism of the people around me. That is something that can be resolved.

Your frustration is directed at other people, nothing more.

Just let go a little.

YOU are solely responsible for yourself, not the people around you.😉 😁

Douglas Brown4 said:That’s about as close as you get to defining God. Think about it: the quantum vacuum isn't empty; it's a sea of virtual particles. These particles have their own modes of motion—rotations, vibrations, all that jazz. Those specific modes can effectively preserve information, especially the spin modes.
You end up with quantum domains—regions where those modes are coherent, essentially synchronized. It’s the functional equivalent of a neuron. Water does this too, governed by atomic waves that act like superconductors, exhibiting that same capacity for connectivity through shared quantum properties. Once these domains organize into a complex enough structure, they become a seat for consciousness. By that logic, the entire universe—the whole damn vacuum—is one massive mind. Call it God if you want...

Is there even any point in this pseudo-scientific mental gymnastics?😉
Science isn't going to prove any of this anyway. Everything you just laid out is nothing more than fancy jargon used to dress up a fairy tale. You're just spinning tall tales wrapped in scientific terminology.

Douglas Brown4 said:Now you're talking.

have you ever actually "felt" oneness with any other living thing or object😁
consciousness is a single, indivisible unit

Never. I have empathy, and I am a sensitive person, but true ONENESS—never.

the individual is just a concept that "thinks" I am this individual, so perhaps that concept within CONSCIOUSNESS could be called INDIVIDUALITY😉

If that were true, why can't I voluntarily stop that thought even for a second? Or imagine being you? Not even for a moment.
And besides, if consciousness isn't limited by space and time, why can't I simply see through your eyes, plug into your brain, or access your sensors? What's stopping me?

It’s because you are nothing more than your own individuality, a mere "product of mechanisms." Everything that occurs simply happens on its own; your free will is nothing but an illusion.
Thoughts, regardless of their nature, just manifest spontaneously.😉

Douglas Brown4 said:Yes. I am an INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS. In other words, my consciousness is unique, and my sense of self is aware of its own existence, experiencing itself as a person.

as many people as there are concepts.😍 😁

have you ever actually "felt" a sense of oneness with any other living thing or object?😁
consciousness is one, indivisible whole.
the "individual" is just a concept—an idea that "thinks" it is the self. That specific concept within CONSCIOUSNESS could be called SELF-AWARENESS, or rather, the individual.😉

Quentin Tarantino:

No. The world keeps spinning even while we’re all fast asleep. It exists simply because it does. We aren't the architects here. We just happen to exist within it, as standalone entities.

The world doesn't actually exist: there is only energy. Individuality acts as the lens, focusing that raw energy into the specific shapes and concepts that make up our perception of reality.

Continuing the discussion on individuality.

Quentin Tarantino:

I can't speak for you. But consciousness? It's an indestructible entity within that world. It isn't the creator of the universe. The world exists independently of it—though consciousness might tweak things, trigger cosmic collapses, or warp physical laws... But the world remains INDEPENDENT OF IT, standing on its own.

Consciousness ISN'T an entity.😉

In other words: are you and your consciousness separate?
Aren't you just the embodiment of consciousness itself?

Quentin Tarantino:

Look, I don't know about you. I am an individual. I am me. I am certainly not you. Nor am I some manifestation of the same thing you're manifesting. We are entirely autonomous, aside from the fact that we both occupy this same objective world.

Building on what was said above... regarding all of this.

Quentin Tarantino:

Look, I’ll say it plainly. I still maintain that an objective reality actually exists. Appearance isn't some subjective whim; it stands independent of both you and me. It exists out there, whether we're watching it or not.

The world isn't some objective entity floating out there waiting to be found. It’s constructed. We build it, brick by brick, using nothing but our own senses. Without perception, there is no reality. No sensation, no input—no world. It simply doesn't exist.

Fine... alright. I won't keep spinning the same wheel, but you really ought to give that some actual thought.

By what standard? By whose metric? This supposed "objective reality" everyone clings to—on what basis could it possibly be considered real?😉

Quentin Tarantino:

The world isn't some mere byproduct of our sensory input. It exists entirely independent of us.

Does the world even exist when you’re lost in a deep sleep? It’s a question that keeps me up—ironically—at night. We like to believe in this objective reality, this solid ground beneath our feet, but once the lights go out and the consciousness slips away, everything we claim to know vanishes. It becomes a void. Is there a persistent universe continuing its clockwork motion while we drift, or is "reality" merely a flickering projection of an active mind? If there is no observer, can there truly be an observation? It's all quite unsettling.😉
Prove it. Show me the evidence. Give me something concrete to hold onto.
So, your entire argument rests on that one premise. It’s a bit thin, isn't it? You're essentially claiming that if you’re asleep while I’m wide awake, then reality somehow exists simply because I’m sitting here staring at your unconscious form. It’s like saying a lightbulb only functions because someone is standing in the room watching it glow. It's flawed logic.

If we assume the world exists independently of our own perception—if reality actually stands on its own two feet apart from the observer—then we have to face the heavy question: what is it actually made of? What constitutes this physical reality when consciousness isn't there to witness it? It’s a massive, unsettling thought. If you strip away the mind, what is the fundamental fabric holding everything together?😉

Quentin Tarantino

You can't. Because you are an individual—just like me.

I am no individual.
Everything is everything.
I AM THAT.
It’s a recursive loop. A hall of mirrors. You aren't just looking at me—you *are* me.
And that leads us back to the core issue: I have no access to your internal monologue, just as you remain a stranger to mine. It’s a fundamental disconnect. If we can't truly grasp the mechanics of the other's mind, then this supposed connection—this "you and me"—is nothing more than a hollow construct. Is the concept of a shared identity between two people even real, or is it just a convenient illusion?

Douglas Brown4 said:Then why are our natural laws identical?
You signed it.

firstly, don't be an idiot, don't go toward the sun
secondly, HOW DO YOU KNOW that the sun I see is the SAME sun you see?!!!!!
THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE THAT😉

I can. Through my interaction with you.

well how the hell is it individual, who created it, how did it start, what leads and controls it😉

Nobody creates it. It is "older than time." It comes from Nihilism (your term).
So, because it is BEYOND TIME, time doesn't affect it. It was never actually created; it just exists eternally.
Nothing leads it, and nothing controls it. It is autonomous.

So what if the laws are the same? It doesn't prove anything. Even if the laws governing my existence and yours were identical, you’re just a thought, much like my own presence is merely a thought within consciousness.
That isn't proof of anything... but fine.

I can. Through my interaction with you.

YOU CANNOT.
Take blindness, for instance.
The world is a mere byproduct of sensation; without senses, there is no world.
Imagine existing without a single sense to perceive anything.😉

No one creates it. It's "older than time itself." It emerges from Nihilism (your own term).
Since it exists outside of time, time has no grip on it. It was never created; it simply *is*, eternally.
Nothing directs it. Nothing controls it. It is entirely autonomous.

If that's the case, then there is only ONE. There are no individual "I"s. The "I AM" is always just "I."

I have nothing to do with your "I." You will never truly know my "I," because there is only one "I." You cannot grasp someone else's identity when the "I" is singular.
THE "I" IS THE "I."

What you mistake for your "I"—that supposed individuality—is nothing more than a passing thought. That is not the true "I" itself.

Douglas Brown4 said:You aren't just dealing with me, but with the entire universe.

I don't recall any individual conscious units ever signing formal agreements🤣
My perspective isn't yours😉

True. We both see the same sun.

There is only ONE CONSCIOUSNESS... and "you" as a personality is merely a "thought," or a product of consciousness
The "I" is one
now you're probably wondering how I am not you and you are not me😁

Consciousness is individual. I am myself.

I don't recall ever signing a contract with the cosmos.
The UNIVERSE is you; the universe exists within your own mind.😉

First off, don't go chasing the light.
Second, HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW that the sun I see is the exact same sun you see?!!!!!
There is absolutely no way to prove that.😉

Consciousness is individual. I am me.

Then how in the hell is it individual? Who created it, how did it emerge, and what exactly is driving and controlling the whole thing?😉

Douglas Brown4 said:Quentin Tarantino

Sometimes, what lacks subtlety is actually the most subtle thing of all. It’s like watching a high-stakes poker game where the player isn't even trying to hide their bluff—yet, that very lack of pretense is exactly how they manipulate the entire table. It hits you only after the hand is over.
I don't view the world around me as some mere projection of my own mind. It’s a consensus. A collective agreement. Is that really so hard to grasp?
A consensus? What kind of consensus are we even talking about?🙄

Good grief. I think I already made this clear: it happens through an agreement between all individual conscious units. That includes my own consciousness and yours—since, as you can see, I maintain that consciousness is individual, much like what Teilhard de Chardin argued (I'll find a specific quote for you in my planner later)—as well as everyone else's.
And that is how we construct a collective image—essentially, the universe itself. It isn't just limited to human consciousness, I guess. It likely involves the awareness of every being across all worlds, every single particle, and the global consciousness of the quantum vacuum.
You're talking nonsense.🙄
I certainly didn't sign any consensus with you.🤣 🤣

I don't recall individual conscious units ever signing off on consensus agreements.🤣
My perception isn't yours.😉

CONSCIOUSNESS is ONE... and "you," as an individual personality, are merely a "thought"—a byproduct of that consciousness.
The "I" is one.
Now, you're likely wondering how I am not you, and why you are not me.😁

Douglas Brown4 said:What exactly constitutes the absolute?

Could you perhaps attempt a slightly more subtle approach when answering those questions? 😉 😁

Maybe you could try being a little more subtle with those questions 😉 😁

Sometimes, what doesn't seem subtle is actually quite subtle.
I don't really view the world around me as a product of my own mind, but rather as a consensus. I suppose it isn't clear what the issue is here.

Sometimes, what doesn't seem subtle is actually quite subtle.
I don't really view the world around me as a product of my own mind, but rather as a consensus. I suppose it isn't clear what the issue is here.

Sometimes, what doesn't seem subtle is actually quite subtle.
I don't really view the world around me as a product of my own mind, but rather as a consensus. I suppose it isn't clear what the issue is here.
Sometimes, what lacks subtlety is actually the most subtle thing of all. It’s like watching a high-stakes poker game where the player isn't even trying to hide their bluff—yet, that very lack of pretense is exactly how they manipulate the entire table. It hits you only after the hand is over.
I don't view the world around me as some mere projection of my own mind. It’s a consensus. A collective agreement. Is that really so hard to grasp?
A consensus? What kind of consensus are we even talking about?🙄

Douglas Brown4 said:They are all around me.

2) And where are the bars or the prison if you happen to dream you're having a picnic in Central Park?

All around me.

3) Whether you're in prison or out of it, you're still stuck behind some kind of "bars," limited by various perspectives.

Maybe "some kind." But not those specific ones. And limitation isn't quite the same thing.

That is just your belief. 😁

No. It is the universe.

If the absolute converges into a single point, then surely you aren't limited either 😁 (p.s. don't try to catch me with that "logical" fallacy now)

What exactly is the absolute?
What exactly is the absolute?
What exactly is the absolute?
What exactly constitutes the absolute?

Could you perhaps attempt a slightly more subtle approach when answering those questions? 😉 😁

Douglas Brown4 said:I think I’ve already mentioned that I don’t buy into this. You aren't going to change my mind.

Picture this: you're rotting in a cell at Rikers Island 😍 🙂 just sitting there behind bars, absolutely certain of your confinement.

1) Where does the prison end and the bars begin when you're dead to the world in a dreamless sleep?
2) And where are the bars—or even the prison itself—if you happen to be dreaming about a sunny picnic in Central Park?

3) Whether you're actually behind bars or walking free, you're still trapped by some set of "bars"—limitations imposed from various angles.

It is nothing more than your own conviction. 😁

If the Absolute settles into a single point, then surely you aren't limited either 😁 (and please, spare me the "logical" lecture here).

Douglas Brown4 said:I suppose we can't simplify it quite that much. You aren't really "not in prison" just because you're behind bars. After all, both your body and the bars are made of similar leptons and quarks. Or force fields. We can play with that idea mentally, I guess, but we shouldn't forget that fields are still fields, and their configuration defines reality. And the reality is: there are bars, and you are behind them.

The Shell:
Thought becomes trapped because it tries to find a solution to an unsolvable problem using the shell.
That is basically what thought in a bottle is. The bottle is a dead loop. An unsolvable problem.
Stopping the attempt to solve the problem—realizing there is no solution—means canceling out the shell problem entirely. Programmers might call that an escape, a break, or something similar. An exit.
When a teacher tells an official, "She is outside," his thoughts shift away from the shell toward something else, becoming free. In doing so, both the bottle and the goose vanish as problems.

Or: if I show up at my friend's place while MrQ is hiding in the restroom, there are two ways to handle it:
a) I accidentally wander into the restroom.
b) I pretend to be crazy and wait to see how long he can stay in there.

I went with option b), I guess.
After enough time passes, everyone just waves their hand and goes, "Well, forget the goose." And that is the solution, the exit. Just like when he finally comes out of the restroom.

The prison, the bars, and even MrQ 😁 exist ONLY within your head (thoughts inside the mind), and without your head, there is neither prison nor bars.

Douglas Brown4 said:Thanks for the compliment. 😘

😬

Douglas Brown4 said:You're talking nonsense.
Using "infinitesimally small" doesn't mean what you think it means in this context.
Here is the issue:
If you have a certain property and its exact OPPOSITE, those properties cancel each other out. However, the cardinal number of a set containing both those properties is still 2. Therefore, you can't claim that 2 (the cardinal number) equals 0 (the product of those two interacting properties).

I am referring specifically to the street crossing example mentioned above.🙄

Austin Hayes66 said:Oh boy, give me a break... we're trying to be Solvay Conference intellectuals here, not Caligula... 🤣🤣🤣👍

But that applies strictly to Douglas Brown4, not to the spiritualists.😬 😁

Douglas Brown4 said:Yes, dear. But in that case, you wouldn't write 2=0; you would write p+q=0 or A+(-A)=0.
It’s much clearer that way. The number two doesn't describe the quality of those opposites, but rather the cardinal number of the set containing them.
There are two opposites, which makes them two, not zero. However, the resultant of their actions (the sum of their qualities) equals zero.
You are being imprecise, perhaps because you struggle with logic. That is your issue, though I suppose it isn't a massive one.
My issue—and the issue for all these aimless "spiritualists"—is that they support such confused reasoning. I guess in New Age circles, it's common to babble without actually thinking about what is being said. Don't take this the wrong way: it's not that you are babbling. You simply don't know. It is those who fail to realize you don't know who are doing the babbling.

Regarding the "both have fallen" part, I assume the only person here acting like a real squad leader on an M1A2 Abrams is the one who wrote the message you are currently reading.

not 0, but rather 0/0 or 0*0
The segment is infinitely small, essentially 0, and the transition time is infinitely small, essentially 0
v=s/t; in this case, it's zero divided by zero, which is an indeterminate form when viewed through that lens
meaning
v=ds/dt
meaning the derivative is defined by a limit: in this scenario, t approaches zero