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Handball World Cup: USA vs. Argentina (36-18) in Other Sports ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:That’s exactly why I’m leaning toward an X—if things play out that way, both the Danes and the Swedes advance 🤷 (assuming the Danes manage to take down the Poles first)

Plus, if the Danes beat us, the Swedes move on regardless—provided they crush us and we lose to the Poles. So, yeah... I guess I'm just running the numbers here.
Handball World Cup: USA vs. Argentina (36-18) in Other Sports ·
No need to go overboard here—we’re keeping our edge, which is a good thing, I guess

Does anyone else feel like there's a massive gap in quality between the bench players and the starters? Those plays out to the wings were actually pretty solid

But honestly, today the off-the-ball movement up top felt... I don't know, a bit flat

The Argentinians just can't seem to get their defense organized—they really should have taken a page out of the playbook of how those guys from Mexico shut us down earlier
The idea of a Mexican victory is basically a pipe dream at this point.

And honestly, props to the Gauchos... that home crowd really knew how to turn up the heat.😁

I've been hearing that they're actually getting pretty serious about their youth handball programs over in Argentina lately.
Adam Collins4 said:It’s more than just that—the IHF and the national federation wouldn't even let them renovate the Flu arena; they were basically demanding a whole new stadium instead...

So it isn't strictly about how things are being managed...

though, I suppose the whole bit about catering and transport kind of falls under your point about management anyway...

we all know it's not just one thing; the bigger the infrastructure project, the more money there is to skim off the top... if we're being totally blunt...
Adam Collins4 said:"How is it that a place like Lund, Sweden, can pull off a World Championship in a little 3,000-seat 'school' gym, yet here in America, we can't manage a 6,500-seat venue and instead have to build some massive 12,000-seat arena? And why is it that Scandinavian journalists visiting the States get treated to free buffets of gourmet cheese, pastries, pasta, and lobster, while our local reporters over in Sweden probably have to pay for their own bottled water?"

by Bernard Juric

It's because they actually know how to manage things—they have a certain standard, I guess—whereas we don't really know how (or maybe we just don't want to), which is why we're constantly stuck in such a mess. Honestly, a great point.
It’s entirely possible Gobac just panicked a bit—maybe he was just trying to play it safe and double-check 🤷

But honestly, that game was anything but relaxed. If he was asking questions to stay composed, the actual flow of play on the field pretty much proved otherwise...

It feels a little ridiculous to me—you have a squad that basically makes the semifinals of every tournament, and now you're hearing rumors about negotiating with the Mexicans 🙄 if there's any truth to that, it's just an absolute joke...
dustypanther6 said:but that’s exactly why you can't just look at how many soccer players are registered and call that some kind of "foundation" for determining quality

The conversation shifted toward American standards, when we were actually talking about the global scale—like where soccer and handball really sit on the world stage

And honestly, trying to generalize by saying American soccer players are somehow less serious than handball players just doesn't hold water. I mean, even if you're looking at a flawed data set, you're still going to find a core group of serious soccer players who are putting in the work... and those will be precisely the most talented ones who actually survived some pretty brutal pre-selection processes
Adam Collins4 said:That’s not really how it works—quality is such a subjective, individual thing, so you can't just boil it down to some predictable number...

In large enough numbers, things become statistically predictable, I guess. What you can't account for is pure genius. Take someone like LeBron James—if we assume he's some kind of basketball genius, though I don't want to get bogged down in the whole "is he the GOAT or not" debate right now, let's just use him as an example—he might or might not exist in the world of basketball. But... if you have a sport where the player base is ten times larger, then there's ten times the probability that you'll stumble upon a genius, because the odds of one specific player being a genius are basically
Gregory Ramos3 said:I mean, honestly, this whole thing is just completely absurd—it doesn't make any sense at all, logically speaking.

I guess you could say that the overall quality of any given sport really just boils down to one thing—the sheer percentage of "high-caliber" players out there in the total pool. It’s all about density, I suppose. If you have a massive number of people playing, but only a tiny fraction actually know what they're doing, the whole level of play stays pretty low. But if you can bump up that ratio of elite talent relative to everyone else... well, then the whole game changes. It's basically a numbers game, really.

Soccer definitely has the lowest concentration of actual talent compared to any other team sport—and honestly, it’s pretty obvious why. It’s just because way too many people play it. I mean, anyone who can basically walk without falling over gets signed up as a player these days, I guess. 🙄

I’ve been thinking about this lately—how quality is really just a direct reflection of the size of your athlete pool. It’s all about that base level of serious training; the bigger the foundation, the higher the ceiling. It’s basically math, I guess. If you have maybe 1,000 athletes training hard, you might end up with, say, 10 elite superstars and maybe one or two total outliers who are just on another planet. But if you scale that up to 10,000 athletes? Well, then you’re looking at 100 superstars and perhaps 10 or 20 of those once-in-a-generation players. It’s all about proportions. Of course, even within that small group of outliers, you’ll still find one or two who stand even further apart from the rest—the absolute best of the best. You'll always hit that peak; it's just that with a wider base, the talent at the top is naturally going to be much higher quality. Simple as that, really.
northernotter70 said:We'll see about that.

The thing is, you guys really don't have anything to lose here. I mean—even if (when) things go south, it’s not like anyone’s going to care. But honestly, the momentum is on our side. It’s really up to us to shut down guys like Vulin and Ilić, and then maybe you'll actually have some real substance to focus on during the game.
Dennis Doyle3 said:Yeah, that’s just never going to happen. I mean, who in their right mind is going to send out their absolute strongest lineup a month after the Euro tournament wraps up—or even worse, just a week before the big European leagues kick off?

If that's the case, then the International Organization basically loses all its credibility when it comes to football. It becomes totally irrelevant, I guess.
Adam Collins4 said:Wait, what were our results at the UN Olympics for soccer again?

The Olympics are kind of a joke when it comes to soccer; I mean, once they actually start sending out their strongest rosters instead of just some youth squads, maybe then we can have a real conversation about Olympic soccer. Right now, the comparison just doesn't hold water...

Sean Gonzalez95 said:But you also have to consider the foundation where all the talent is being pulled from... and in America, that system is still lightyears ahead of everyone else in the sport.

That’s really the heart of it—it’s just how things work in most places around the world; soccer is the top dog, so naturally, it attracts the lion's share of the talent and players.
Adam Collins4 said:Pretty funny...

First off, you just drop a bunch of ad hominem attacks, and then—as if that wasn't enough—you try to deny everyone else their right to an opinion, especially those who don't see things your way...

Two pro leagues?

I could probably list at least three...☕

It’s almost poetic how you manage to get caught in your own shallow logic...

But anyway, where do we actually see a higher concentration of quality?

Which sport is actually tougher and results in more injuries?

The whole debate about which sport is harder or has more injuries is kind of irrelevant here. What really matters is what was actually stated: how many countries play it, how many have pro leagues, the total player base—both amateur and pro—and how that population is distributed globally. I'm not some hardcore soccer fanatic or anything, these are just facts. Based on those numbers, it’s pretty obvious that the concentration of talent is incomparably higher in soccer.

Though, if you think I’m going to sit here and argue with you over this, don't hold your breath. I honestly don't care.
dustyridge3 said:It’s almost go-time. I don't know—I've got this nagging little feeling in my gut that we might actually pull this whole thing off. I really do believe in these guys. 👍

Must be nice. I don't have anything to lean on myself—honestly, if we aren't careful, we might just end up being a short-lived story once we hit the semifinals. Or maybe we won't even make it that far, who knows? It’s all a bit up in the air.
frozentiger6 said:Right, so their bonuses kick in if they even make it to the World Cup or the EP, so missing out isn't exactly a total disaster... I guess Bilic will explain things further down the line, or maybe Krizanac will.

It’s definitely easier to find success in a sport where only about ten countries actually take it seriously and there are just two pro leagues in the whole world. Honestly, taking third place at the World Cup is a much bigger deal—it's way harder to pull off than all those handball golds and medals combined. Every single soccer placement in the World Cup or the EP carries its own weight, especially making it into the second round. But then again, I don't expect everyone to get that—most people just follow sports casually over a drink at a bar, but the ones who actually care... well, they'll understand.
northernotter70 said:America is sitting pretty at the top of the group—it’s the same old story, we just keep beating you guys.

And just when you think you're celebrating... you wake up from the dream... 😁
frozentiger6 said:soccer players getting through group stages at the World Cup or the Euros is basically a massive payday.

Whoa, slow down there—hit the brakes for a second. I don't think you can really lump soccer and handball into the same sentence like that. I mean, think about the base of pro players... or even just how many countries actually take the sport seriously? It's a different world.
redpuma49 said:What exactly is missing from our backline? I mean, we’ve got plenty of depth to rotate—we could even pull Laco or Vukovic off the bench, or maybe Buntic if things get desperate... I guess you could say the options are there.🤷

I mean, it’s pretty obvious that if we want to save some energy, we really need to bring in a sub for Balic—maybe Duvnjak could step in there. It just seems like the logical move to keep the guys from burning out too early. Honestly, playing Duvnjak as a bit of a hybrid—shifting him between the center and the wing—doesn't feel right to me; I think he'd probably just end up looking a little lost out there.

That’s exactly why I wouldn't touch a conservative like Balic if I were you. I mean, you could throw just about any other Republican into the mix, though—those guys in the party can flip sides whenever the wind changes. Even Laco used to lean toward the Democrats at one point. A right-winger today might find themselves voting liberal tomorrow, I guess. It’s all pretty fluid.
electricotter6 said:Well, I mean, maybe Kopljar will have a few decent games under his belt eventually.
Personally, I’d probably stick with Buntic most of the time—though looking at him lately, I guess there might be a chance he actually shows up.

What's the point of scoring a great goal if he keeps losing possession, fails to find the wingers, and just drags down the tempo? It kind of handicaps the whole team's rhythm, you know?
coppernomad2 said:I honestly don't get why Buntic is just sitting there on the bench.

They’re basically forcing Kopljar into playing as much as possible, which—if you ask me—is just desperate. Buntic can play his role perfectly fine, whereas Kopljar feels like he's just out of his depth and doesn't really have a place on the national team. But I guess we are pretty thin at that position. It might actually be better if we had a right-footer covering that spot alongside Buntic. What about Vukovic? He's a really lucid player, in my opinion.