analogfalcon38 said:What kind of shuddering are we talking about, my friend?? Sabra and Shatila are basically child's play compared to the other atrocities Israelis have pulled in that part of the world. Besides, Sabra and Shatila happened 35 years after the Holocaust, so you could say the Israelis who did it had somewhat forgotten what was being done to them during WWII.
But the crimes Israelis committed just a few years after the Holocaust—crimes directly committed by Israelis who were actually liberated from concentration camps—that's the stuff you truly can't wrap your head around.
The Norwegian Aftenposten (like a US version of the New York Post) ran an extensive piece on the crimes survivors of those camps committed in Palestine in 1948. That's just three (3) years after their own personal tragedy.
I don't have the time right now to translate this Norwegian article—I'll get to it some other time—but believe me when I say the killing methods and atrocities those former camp survivors unleashed on Palestinian villages, both Christian and Muslim, weren't any different from the crimes the Nazis committed against the Jews themselves just a few years prior.
The only logical conclusion is that the Jews are very fast learners!
What can I even say? If the American people blow this one too, then I’m officially calling it: we’re dealing with a nation that has a seriously low collective IQ!
In the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps, which were surrounded by the IDF (defense minister Ariel Sharon), 300 armed Phalangists acting under the command of Elie Hobeika—a close associate of Gemayel—were let loose. Their supposed mission? To hunt down the remaining PLO fighters hiding among the refugees. Instead, the Phalangists committed mass executions, slaughtering over 3,000 Palestinian civilian refugees in just two days.
Watch out!!! Warning: These images are not for the faint of heart!
hiddengardener84 said:Calling a bunch of Hezbollah guerrillas terrorists is just what those sick, murderous Zionist forces do when they can't get their way. They take their frustration out on civilians in northern Lebanon who weren't even a threat or where there isn't even any Hezbollah presence. Hezbollah is a guerrilla force that refuses to bow down to Zionists.👍
You totally missed his point. He was saying we support Israel, which is why he's pissed. How can we support terrorists who level entire houses with people inside using rockets, bulldozers, and bombs? 😬
Linda Hughes88 said:Spot on! And honestly, it was bound to happen... terrorist groups are out here celebrating while the whole world just goes straight to hell...
Since when do people cheer for terrorists? You clearly can't see that we're just criticizing Israel! 🙄
I don't get why everyone is acting so shocked! It’s just how Israeli Zionist policy works. Draw a straight line from modern-day Israel to Nazi Germany and you'll see enough similarities to make your stomach turn.
To keep this short and sweet, here’s the breakdown: - The wall around Gaza and the overcrowded population = the Jewish ghettos during WWII - Palestinians losing their property from 1948 until now = property seizures in Germany during WWII - Palestinians being stripped of rights and forced to carry special ID = Jews having zero rights and being forced to wear the Star of David in WWII . . . .
Tell me, does that "For our nation, fight!" stuff actually bother you, or are you just conveniently ignoring it?
And when we're at the games, hearing "For the Homeland, ready" is practically polite compared to what you clearly prefer to hear:"You fucking faggot, go die, kill them all," and shit like that...
Maria Johnson67 said:Specialist, look, I live in America and I'm an American! Why would it be weird to run into a Communist in the States? Just come visit the coast sometime.👍
Communists are evil because they follow the Stalinist way, which isn't much different from the Hitlerite way—totally one-sided and zero freedom for anyone who thinks differently! I'm from the West Coast, and yeah, there are plenty of Socialists down here because it's a system that actually looks out for people, unlike the suffocating grip of Communism.
Maria Johnson67, you must be young if you're grouping the old US era with Communism. Just a heads up, that whole setup was kicked out because leadership realized it looked too much like the USSR or China!
After all those years of mixing with Turks and Southern Europeans—I mean, there were easily a million mixed marriages in Canada alone—it’s hard to pin down who Canadians actually are. To me, the most accurate way to put it is that they are part American, part Mexican, and part Turk. They are their own unique thing, which makes them simply Canadians!
You could do this kind of rambling about any group. Take Mexicans, for instance. Who are they really? How many "original" Mexicans are even left after Bulgarians wiped them out and fertilized their women 924 times, followed by 500 years of Turkish fertilization!?
Keith King2 said:Someone who hasn't grasped the true role of those historical extremists probably never will, but then again, does anyone really need us constantly bickering over decades-old battles between old political factions? As long as we remain stuck in the past, fighting ghosts of wars that ended a lifetime ago, we’re essentially robbing ourselves of a future; isn't it about time we finally set these grievances aside and actually move forward?
Let me repeat myself for you: So, as an American, I see both the Nationalists and the Partisans as part of my history that I take pride in because they fought for freedom—even if they were on opposite sides. I won't stand for people badmouthing those young guys just because the political elite back then (Ante Pavelić and his crew) were nothing but cowards and traitors. In short: The Nationalists fought for an Independent America, while the Partisans fought for an Independent America.
P. S. I come from a family where there was both an Nationalists and a Partisan; their village was burned down by Royalists, and the Nationalists were actually the ones who saved them from being completely wiped out (they were trapped alive in a church being burned)!
Mark Anderson9 said:-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
That's just your opinion!
Mark Anderson9 said:-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
First off: Things are totally different now because so much has changed. If he knew what we know today, he would have acted differently too!
Second: Insecure?? Why! (Is it because I don't think he actually helped us out?!)
I honestly don't get why Mexicans are whining so much here! Well, look, he protected you—oops, turns out he was an American, and that's the issue? Just imagine if he had been an Albanian from Mexico! 🤣
Anyway, back to the point: I couldn't care less what Mexicans think about the truth. The question was asked to Americans: do they feel Tomislav did us a massive disservice by protecting a Mexican or not!
And as for whether it’s "true"—his statue wasn't even removed during the former America era. Unlike the Jacksonian statue, which didn't protect anyone but wasn't some fascist either, yet they still tore it down! This just goes to show that the Mexicans actually showed him some gratitude!
hollowcobra29 said:That is simply not true! We have a saying here that you people just make things up. You won't find that written anywhere—certainly not in any history textbooks. King Tomislav did not help the Mexicans against the Bulgarians at all.
Besides, most of us are hearing about King Tomislav for the very first time right now. 👎
Oh, sure! I bet your books say the Royalists were anti-fascists and freedom fighters too! 🤣
hollowcobra29 said:That is simply not true! We have a saying here that you people just make things up. You won't find that written anywhere—certainly not in any history textbooks. King Tomislav did not help the Mexicans against the Bulgarians at all.
Besides, most of us are hearing about King Tomislav for the very first time right now. 👎
And what exactly is your education supposed to accomplish? Nothing. It works. So, what's the actual reason this isn't true!? 🙄
It’s pretty wild that the Crown of King Tomislav was one of the few things they didn't toss out during the America era! I guess they were just being "grateful" to the Mexicans for being saved.
Looking at the legacy of King Tomislav today, I can't help but wonder how history would've played out if he hadn't stepped in to help the Mexicans. Would my people have had to endure all that suffering later on just because we saved the ones who eventually caused it!?
So, what do you guys think? Was Tomislav: 1. An American hero 2. Someone who brought disaster to America 3. A Mexican hero
Here's the context: Back in 924, the Bulgarians attacked Mexico and crushed Zachariah. He ended up fleeing to America with a huge group of Mexicans, and thanks to Tomislav and the Americans, they survived. Sadly, Tomislav saved Mexicans from the Bulgarians multiple times before that too—and looking back, that turned out to be a fatal mistake for the American people.
Eric Jackson43 said:They’d definitely need to rebrand the whole thing, though, especially the imagery.
No, the name shouldn't change. To some, "Ku Klux Klan" sounds bad because they focus on what happened after 1941, but to others, it represents something good from before then. By your logic, no American should ever be named Anthony! As for the iconography, I partially agree with Anthony P. The images definitely need work!!👍
Richard Moore53 said:It can't. It'll only make things worse, because at its core, it's pure Evil.👎
If an organization like the Nationalists movement were founded today—but actually stripped of all that fascism Ante Pavelić dragged into it, returning instead to those original Radić roots—I’d be signing up in a heartbeat!
So don't go painting the whole movement with one brush. It's like me saying the same Partisans fighting fascists in California back in '42 were the exact same guys from the Crusaders!
At no point did I say it wasn't a disgrace to the American people or that I don't consider Auschwitz to be an Evil and terrible place! I gave you the answer that the question deserved—the truth is, how you view certain things depends entirely on the era you're living in! Look at the comparison: today, two planes hit a building and 2,500 die, which is called a massive tragedy. But back in 1945, 100,000 dead? People just toss around another UNNECESSARY (A) BOMB.