Posts by driftingraven122

True, I suppose. In the sense that ignorance itself triggers the drive to fix it—what some might call the awareness of one's own lack of knowledge.

If you don't have that self-awareness, though—if you aren't aware of what you don't know—then it’s more of a curse, really. Because the person stuck in that loop isn't even conscious of it; they just walk around thinking they actually have a clue.

Richard Walker79 said:

Rebecca Johnson36 Asks:
This story explores how our core nature remains constant, regardless of everything else. It’s really more about finding true awakening despite all the noise!

What kind of grand, masterful nature does Richard Walker79—of the Zagorov lineage—possess? It’s the kind of greatness that is first recognized by Allah, then by Christ, and finally by Master Ivan!😢

Look, man, she should be free to think and act however she wants without even caring what anyone thinks. Is she right or not? Honestly, Zen Master Tanzan mastered that concept ages ago, but you clearly haven't read enough or truly grasped it yet!
Zen Master Tanzan tried his best to explain what true freedom from concepts actually looks like: it's the realization that I am right!

Hmm... I suspect it’s more likely that Osho rode a horse and ended up breaking his legs. 🤔

But hey—I could be wrong, obviously. 😬

Rebecca Johnson36 said:I suppose this story is about how human nature remains fundamentally unchanged—regardless of any supposed spiritual awakening.

What kind of character does Richard Walker79 possess—that grand, masterly nature first recognized by Allah, then by Christ, and finally by Master Ivan?😢

So, does it heal everything—poison included?
And what if someone mistakenly thinks this "healing" actually makes them immune to the poison?

placidharbor7 said:Of course Unity is just a mental construct.
That’s exactly why Grandmaster Dušan is essentially acting like God himself. He hasn't even settled down yet!

The "problem" doesn't lie within the Truth, nor does it live in any kind of lofty, high-minded pretension.

No, the issue lies within the intellect itself—it's like a desperate rebel constantly trying to outrun its own shadow.

Honestly, every attempt at spiritual "sublimity" is nothing more than an ultra-refined mental mess.

Everything is already right here in front of us, crazy kid. Honestly, placidharbor7 is absolutely fed up watching you babble on day and night about "Buddhism."

Either you're all kidding yourselves, or you're dealing with someone who truly loves calling himself a Master.🙂

So, you're saying Dušan imagined Unity and now he's just... processing that?
Sorry, I don't follow. 🤷

placidharbor7 said:Of course Unity is just a mental construct.
That’s exactly why Grandmaster Dušan is essentially acting like God himself. He hasn't even settled down yet!

The "problem" doesn't lie within the Truth, nor does it live in any kind of lofty, high-minded pretension.

No, the issue lies within the intellect itself—it's like a desperate rebel constantly trying to outrun its own shadow.

Honestly, every attempt at spiritual "sublimity" is nothing more than an ultra-refined mental mess.

Everything is already right here in front of us, crazy kid. Honestly, placidharbor7 is absolutely fed up watching you babble on day and night about "Buddhism."

Either you're all kidding yourselves, or you're dealing with someone who truly loves calling himself a Master.🙂

Alright, "Master"—how exactly did you realize that 'everything is already here'? Where did that insight come from, or should we call it enlightenment? If you've woken up to the idea that there is no Truth, then isn't your realization itself the Truth?

I suppose—if one could even call it that—one might attempt to find some semblance of meaning here. Or perhaps not. It’s all rather trivial, I guess.

placidharbor7 said:Fine then, why don't you just stay humble and play the part of the good little child in God's Nursery?

No, no—you just haven't grasped the absolute simplicity of Zen yet!

There is no such thing as Truth, get it now?
🙂

That’s likely because I’m not God—I guess. 😁

placidharbor7 said:Fine then, why don't you just stay humble and play the part of the good little child in God's Nursery?

No, no—you just haven't grasped the absolute simplicity of Zen yet!

There is no such thing as Truth, get it now?
🙂

Splendid. And what, then, exactly, constitutes Unity?
If truth doesn't exist—not that I'm saying it doesn't—then why is it that nobody seems to grasp the concept of Unity? I guess it's just a thought.

placidharbor7 said:That isn't really Dušan's fault; it's just the natural byproduct of realizing Unity.

This conversation is getting incredibly tangled—it's definitely not Zen.

But if there isn't even enlightenment, then what exactly is left?

I'm not getting involved in Unity. But—is it really wise to go around telling people I am God? Especially on an American forum, I suppose.

placidharbor7 said:That isn't really Dušan's fault; it's just the natural byproduct of realizing Unity.

This conversation is getting incredibly tangled—it's definitely not Zen.

But if there isn't even enlightenment, then what exactly is left?

I don't see anything convoluted. 😁

placidharbor7 said:That isn't really Dušan's fault; it's just the natural byproduct of realizing Unity.

This conversation is getting incredibly tangled—it's definitely not Zen.

But if there isn't even enlightenment, then what exactly is left?

I don't think I follow the question. 😬

placidharbor7 said:Brother Grim doesn't have anything to look for in Zen, driftingraven122.
Complex little stories like that belong to the realm of organized religion.

What this person is trying to tell you is that true enlightenment means letting go of all those worldly highs.

Just be careful; when the Emperor grants a gift—kind of like receiving an Oscar - Award.
The guy starts glowing—ENLIGHTENED or UNENLIGHTENED—feeling pampered and honored. His heart swells up like a hippo's, screaming with pure ecstasy—which is really just IDENTIFICATION.

And that is exactly why he hits the wall SO HARD. He has to finally realize how messy all this IDENTIFICATION really is.

Well—I guess the best way to deal with those worldly highs is to just dig into this supposed "SELF" and realize there isn't actually anything there? You know—no rider behind the reins.

Just look at Richard Walker79—he immediately thinks, I AM GOD. 🙄

placidharbor7 said:Brother Grim doesn't have anything to look for in Zen, driftingraven122.
Complex little stories like that belong to the realm of organized religion.

What this person is trying to tell you is that true enlightenment means letting go of all those worldly highs.

Just be careful; when the Emperor grants a gift—kind of like receiving an Oscar - Award.
The guy starts glowing—ENLIGHTENED or UNENLIGHTENED—feeling pampered and honored. His heart swells up like a hippo's, screaming with pure ecstasy—which is really just IDENTIFICATION.

And that is exactly why he hits the wall SO HARD. He has to finally realize how messy all this IDENTIFICATION really is.

The Emperor has already run through all the maneuvers that lead to enlightenment.

placidharbor7 said:Brother Grim doesn't have anything to look for in Zen, driftingraven122.
Complex little stories like that belong to the realm of organized religion.

What this person is trying to tell you is that true enlightenment means letting go of all those worldly highs.

Just be careful; when the Emperor grants a gift—kind of like receiving an Oscar - Award.
The guy starts glowing—ENLIGHTENED or UNENLIGHTENED—feeling pampered and honored. His heart swells up like a hippo's, screaming with pure ecstasy—which is really just IDENTIFICATION.

And that is exactly why he hits the wall SO HARD. He has to finally realize how messy all this IDENTIFICATION really is.

He became enlightenment itself, so there's no room for identification.

placidharbor7 said:Look, we're talking about a bit of storytelling here—it's fine for the main character to have been enlightened already.

Just leave that specific detail out, and there’s no problem at all—though, of course, finding the actual point of the story might get a little tricky.

And honestly, what kind of irrelevant question is this—"If he was already enlightened, why did he ride a horse and break his legs?"

That's really not how a "Master Candidate" of the V.S.P.Z.S. should be acting, is it?

Because enlightenment is essentially a wild stallion. If you think you can actually mount it, you’re going to end up breaking some legs. If you decide you don't need it and try to push it away, you're basically insulting the Emperor—since you can't exactly turn your back on the Emperor. And if you imagine you have a horse when you really don't... well... 🤷

That's why Buddha was a horse without a rider.

Or rather... WHO is this person supposedly riding the horse? 😛 😬

I suppose if one were to take this Quotation seriously—though I wouldn't recommend it—one might actually find some merit in it. Perhaps.

Richard Walker79 said:If you say so.

If he was already enlightened, why did he go riding a horse and break his legs?

Maybe he didn't know how to ride? 😁

My dear friend, you are the one who decides what a story means! Don't let anyone else interpret it for you.👍

So—that is what KNOWLEDGE actually looks like. 🙄 😁

Richard Walker79 said:He had already reached enlightenment by the time he received the horse.

So why does the story start with "On the day of his enlightenment..."? That would imply he wasn't enlightened yesterday.

If he was already enlightened—supposedly—then why did he go riding and end up breaking his legs?

Richard Walker79 said:I am no mere teacher; I am Grandmaster Dušan! If you truly seek actual KNOWLEDGE, that is how you should address me.🙂

Grandmaster Dušan—how exactly is one supposed to achieve enlightenment without offending the Emperor or turning down his gift? I guess it’s a delicate balance—maybe.

😁

@Richard Walker79, the Zen story is right here—so, where is the teacher's commentary?

Thought for the day:

Avoid anyone who claims they’re somehow above being wrong—it's a red flag.
Stay away from those who think everyone's opinion carries equal weight—it’s just messy.
And most importantly? Run from the ones who clearly messed up, yet insist they’re perfectly right—honestly, just get out of there.

😬

Richard Walker79 said:Today's thought: run the other way from anyone who insists they’re absolutely right and everyone else is just wrong.

Pointless. I suppose we all assume we're in the right—and that others are at least partially to blame—until someone actually proves us wrong... at which point, naturally, we decide we were right all along. 😁

What exactly qualifies as "uniform knowledge"?

chronologically 😬

1. that I can basically steer my own mental habits wherever I want—and do whatever I please with them
2. that no amount of human knowledge actually provides true insight
3. that I have absolutely no clue who or what I really am 🤷
4. anything at all that might offer a fresh definition of my being is 🙂
5. maybe insight only passes through a quiet mind

What do I know? My heart seems to be somewhere between my eyes, I guess. 😬

Jamie Peterson said:I get what you’re saying about how there isn't really one universal language when people are trying to show off or sound important—that's more about social posturing, I guess. But what I was actually getting at is the level *before* thought kicks in—that moment where you're just trying to pin down a pure state of consciousness with a single word. Take saying "I love you," for instance. It’s a nice sentiment, sure, but it doesn't even come close to capturing the actual, overwhelming depth of the consciousness behind it. In this case, I wonder if it's even possible to find a single word for "love" that carries the same raw intensity as the feeling itself. Somewhere in that gap between a profound state of being and the words we use to describe it, a lot of the essence just... thins out. I was thinking more along the lines of the inherent power within certain sounds—mantric qualities, if you will. Over in India, they place massive importance on mantras, suggesting they act as a sort of universal language, essentially because they're rooted in Sanskrit.
In other words, to push this idea a bit further, I'm wondering if mantras actually work regardless of whether you grasp their literal meaning or not...

Hmm... I'm not exactly an expert on Indian traditions, so I can't really offer much insight from that perspective.

Maybe you mean it’s like a way to communicate states of consciousness through specific vocalizations? Theoretically—I guess—that could be possible. Of course, it would require a certain level of discipline and practice to pull it off. On the other hand, I highly doubt someone could just isolate a single aspect of their consciousness and pour it into a series of sounds. And, well, there's the assumption that the recipient is actually ready to receive it.

In short, I suppose such communication would be what we might call a superhuman ability. It seems like it would be incredibly individualistic—or perhaps only effective for a very specific group of people. In other words, I don't see how you could build a generalized science—or even a reliable model—out of it.

It could just be a byproduct of a specific "spiritual discipline."

Jamie Peterson said:What actually *is* language, though? I mean, really think about it—it’s more than just a collection of sounds or some fancy set of grammar rules we all agreed on so we wouldn't walk into walls. It’s this weird, invisible architecture that sits right between our brains and the rest of the world. It’s like... okay, imagine you’re trying to describe a specific shade of sunset in Malibu to someone who’s only ever lived in a basement in Chicago. You need these little symbols—words, really—to build a bridge between your experience and theirs. Without them, you're just pointing vaguely at the sky and hoping they get the vibe. But then it gets complicated because language isn't just a tool for communication; it's how we categorize reality itself. We slice up the continuous flow of life into manageable little chunks called "nouns" and "verbs" just so we can make sense of the chaos. It's kind of like how a coder uses syntax to turn a mess of electricity into a functioning app—except the app is our entire perception of existence. It’s messy, it’s constantly shifting, and honestly, half the time we aren't even saying what we think we're saying.
Think about it this way—when we speak, we’re really just gathering up these little clusters of sounds that act as shorthand for much bigger ideas. It’s like a specific set of vibrations that somehow maps directly onto what’s happening inside our heads. Since consciousness isn't just one flat thing—it’s layered, messy, deep—the words we actually spit out are just these quick proxies for the concepts and mental images we use to make sense of everything around us. But here’s the interesting part: behind every single concept or mental image, there’s an underlying state of being. There's a specific "vibe" or conscious frequency attached to it. Because of that, some languages feel more advanced than others—not necessarily because they have more words, but because they can capture the essence of a thought with way less effort. They can pinpoint that core state of consciousness a person is trying to project into the world using fewer syllables, getting straight to the heart of the matter without all the extra fluff.
I’ve been chewing on this idea lately—whether there’s actually a language out there where the sonic vibration of the words matches the frequency of consciousness itself. You know, like a tongue where the letters and sounds aren't just arbitrary labels we slapped onto things, but actually represent the essence of what they are. It's a wild thought—the idea of a language that acts as a direct bridge to reality rather than just a messy way of pointing at stuff.
So, I was reading about this old experiment involving toddlers who were basically kept in isolation—kids who hadn't even picked up language yet. The whole idea was to see what kind of tongue they’d actually end up using if they finally started talking to one another. Turns out, the words they spat out were some archaic version of Hebrew. Speaking of Hebrew, there’s this fascinating bit of work by a mathematician named Stan Tennant. He actually mapped out how the opening words of The Book of Genesis generate the mathematical shape of a torus. The theory suggests that the Hebrew letters themselves represent specific states within the dynamics of a torus—which, if you think about it, is pretty much the fundamental shape of movement in our universe. Now, that covers the visual geometry side of things, but I can't help but wonder... does the actual sound of those letters—the vocal vibrations—match up with that toroidal process? Is there some kind of direct link between the physical shape of the letter and the vibration it produces? It’s a wild thought, but it makes you wonder if the math and the music of the language are just two sides of the same coin.
Then there’s Sanskrit—another language that makes these massive claims about being a universal key, deeply tied to the teachings found in the Veda. When you look at the words used in the Veda, they aren't just words; they're mantras. And there’s actually an entire field of study dedicated to them called Mantrashastra—essentially the science of sound and how a mantra actually comes into being. The idea is that a mantra is a specific sound meant to shift your consciousness, acting like a sort of frequency tuner to lift you into higher states of being. The Veda itself is structured in a way where simply reading it allows you to absorb Knowledge automatically—you basically become what you read. It teaches that everyone carries their own unique mantra, a signature vibration that belongs only to them. It reminds me of how the ancient Egyptians believed everyone had a secret name—something so personal that if someone misused it, it could actually destroy you. That individual mantra is really just a personalized version of those larger, universal mantras. From a scientific standpoint, it actually makes sense; if everything in existence is wave-based, you’re going to resonate most effectively with the wave that matches your own essence. Think of it like that classic physics example where a marching army can actually bring down a bridge if their footsteps hit the exact resonant frequency of the structure. By chanting a mantra, you’re generating a frequency intended to sync up with your inner core. Once you hit that resonance, you essentially become part of the rhythmic pulse of the entire universe—which is just a fancy way of describing enlightenment.

The whole evolution of consciousness within the manifestation field—if you want to get technical—basically wraps up once a person finally clocks who they really are at their core. It’s that moment when your own individual wave of consciousness lines up perfectly with the fundamental wave of the consciousness field itself. Or, if I’m being more precise, it’s when the subject of that evolution starts resonating with the base frequency of the field right where they happen to be standing. It’s essentially just a fancy way of describing resonance with yourself, because that specific point in space? That’s just you. (Awakening, 2002.)

Mantra isn't just some abstract sound—it actually has its own three-dimensional blueprint, like a yantra. There’s this cutting-edge field in cymatics that studies how sound waves physically carve shapes into matter. They’ve run these experiments where they chant the Om mantra near a plate covered in sand, and sure enough, the vibrations leave behind this intricate pattern known as the Sri Yantra. It basically proves there's a direct, physical link between sound and shape. If you follow that logic, it stands to reason that in Sanskrit, there might be a fundamental connection between the words used and the actual essence of the things they describe.
Wait, what exactly are we even talking about here? What's the actual deal with that?
So, there was this thread going on about how the Sri Yantra actually comes together. One guy I was chatting with—let’s call him Bob—really went down the rabbit hole with it. He ended up convinced that the whole thing is way more complex than people give it credit for. His take? It’s basically a three-dimensional map of wave motion. Specifically, he sees it as a wave of consciousness moving through some kind of cylindrical space. It’s an interesting thought, especially when you consider those near-death experiences where people talk about rushing through a tunnel—that "tunnel vision" feeling people get when their consciousness starts to shift. It makes sense if you look at it through a certain lens; all the heavy lifting in the universe seems to follow the rhythm of a torus, which naturally expands from a central point into that tube-like shape. Just food for thought, I guess.
The holiest word in the Veda and its most significant yantra both point toward one thing: breaking free from the dynamics of a torus by moving along its outer edge. Think of it this way—we’re essentially "trapped" inside a wave, which is what the torus represents, so this is really about the process of liberation. It’s also pretty interesting that if you take a horizontal slice of a torus, you get a circle—a shape that can be used to track movements through what people today often dismissively call astrology, though the traditional study of Jyotish is much deeper than that. Experts in Jyotish actually know how to craft a personalized mantra based entirely on your exact birth time.
If we were to dive deeper into this—really digging into the intersection of these ancient traditions, mathematics, and physics—we might actually stumble upon a legitimate, unified model for a science of consciousness waves. Such a field could finally shed the "pseudo-science" label that plagues it, provided it stays true to those foundational teachings.

I suppose I’m with Oliver on this one. People at different levels of awareness just grab whatever language is available—meaning, we tend to attach several different states of mind to the exact same word. It’s really about the state of consciousness, not the language itself, I guess.

It’s a bit like asking if there’s a single musical instrument that everyone can play equally well or beautifully. There isn't. 😁

Yeah, I guess the Democratic Party was a bit clumsy with their wording there. There are actually three distinct desires involved. This is how it looks in the original—well, the English version, anyway:

The origin of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is the craving that produces renewal of being accompanied by enjoyment and lust, and enjoying this and that; in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being.