Posts by shadownomad4

restlessheron11 said:Would anyone actually give me an answer here?

So, I'm wondering—what was the actual deal that led you to finally meet Jesus only after you showed up at Life Word church?

Please forgive my delay in returning here to provide an answer.

The reason is quite simple: I began studying the Bible intensively. It was through His Word that I progressed to the point of being baptized by the Holy Spirit. When that Spirit touches you, you truly come to know Jesus, because the Spirit guides you into the truth that liberates you from all deception. This same Spirit grants the gift of speaking in tongues, which leads you toward God's plan and reveals His will to you. Through this gift, you are able to overcome all the pressures of Satan, allowing you to grow in your knowledge of Jesus and His Power—that strength which is granted to us daily through the Holy Spirit.

Robin Murphy4 said:If we’re going to keep this conversation going, then let's agree to make it an actual, level-headed discussion—just two people talking without any attacking or judging. Honestly, as a human being, I feel like I have every right to question things, to dig into what's bothering me, or to clear up stuff that feels confusing. I don't believe in just blindly accepting something just because someone else said "that's how it is"—and I'm talking about life in general here, too.
I'm hoping you'll be open to answering a few questions for me, though you should know one thing upfront: when it comes to God and Jesus Christ, my faith is absolute.
1. You used to lead the community, and I attended those sessions for about a year—so we clearly speak the same language when it comes to this stuff. What I'm wondering is, looking back from where you are now (with your current perspective on things), how do you view the help or the healings you received back then? I know you were likely incredibly grateful for them at the time, as well as for the healings others experienced. How do you interpret those healings and everything you went through during that period now?

2. Before you stepped into that leadership role, did you go to church and pray to Jesus, just like you did while you were part of the community?

3. What was the actual turning point that made you decide to leave the community?

I know that's a lot to throw at you, but I'm genuinely interested in hearing about your experience.

Please, don't be angry with me. It is quite common for misunderstandings to arise in discussions like this. My entire framework of thought and belief is rooted in the Bible; it contains the Word backed by God, and I believe everyone who penned its pages was guided by the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus stated that He did not come to judge the world, but to save it—yet, the Word itself will serve as our judge based on how we have lived our lives in accordance with it.

To address your initial question, I will reiterate what I mentioned in my previous post: these demons, these malevolent spirits, are the underlying cause behind all of those healings. Here is the reasoning. For Satan, the ultimate objective is to distance you from Jesus; anything else is secondary. However, if he perceives that you are striving to elevate yourself spiritually and overcome the limitations of the flesh, he will present you with various alternatives. These paths often incorporate elements of Jesus' teachings, but they do so only partially, ensuring that He is never positioned as the Head.
The way Satan operates regarding healing is quite deceptive: he doesn't actually perform any healing at all, because that is something only God can do. Instead, he simply withdraws his influence from a particular area of your life. As you become more dedicated to the teachings of Bruno Groening, for instance, he begins to distance himself from your very being. Consequently, your body becomes healthy, simply because he was the underlying cause of all sickness in the first place.

To address my second point: yes, I attended church, but my approach was flawed. Instead of praying directly to Jesus, I directed my prayers toward Mary. At the time, I operated under the misguided belief that I had to earn my way to Jesus—that I wasn't worthy enough to simply invite Him into my life. Furthermore, I was praying to Bruno, which constitutes a sin according to the Second Commandment. Deuteronomy 18:10 is quite explicit on this matter, stating that no one should be found among you practicing the burning of their children in the fire, nor engaging in sorcery, witchcraft, divination, or spellcasting; nor shall anyone be a medium or a spiritist who attempts to conjure the spirits of the dead. He spoke to those who have passed away.Before I departed from the community, I made sure to bring all of this to light. I stated clearly that Bruno had instructed us to follow the teachings of the Bible, yet those instructions were consistently ignored. Greta essentially reinvented spirituality to suit her own whims, creating a belief system that aligned neither with Jesus nor with the Bible. This caused significant friction, leading to heated arguments with the actor portraying Bruno, which ultimately resulted in their separation.
People have essentially manufactured their own versions of "God" because they witnessed the institutional church failing to uphold the teachings found in the Bible, and that is where they lost their way. It is true that many within the Catholic Church have strayed from the path—both in the past and today—but there are Christians out there who have truly been born again. These individuals follow Jesus, rather than following any man, regardless of his title. There exists a true Church, which is His spiritual Church and, ultimately, His Body.

A third question arises. When I first invited Jesus into my heart and encountered Him in that profound way, I received the Holy Spirit. It was through this presence that I was given a clear, undeniable conviction regarding Truth and sin—one of which involved Bruno Groening. Ultimately, the defining turning point of my life was the moment I truly came to know Jesus.

Here is my testimony from my website.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask; I am more than happy to provide answers.

Robin Murphy4 said:Look, everyone is entitled to their own perspective—and hey, if you’re looking at life strictly through a Christian lens, I totally get that. But let’s be real, not everyone on this planet shares that same faith, yet God is there for everyone regardless. If someone hits rock bottom with a serious illness and then experiences a total, miraculous recovery? To me, that is nothing short of pure Divine grace and love. I don't see how trusting Bruno as a spiritual friend somehow cancels out your faith in Jesus—I mean, Bruno isn't God, so trying to compare the two just feels pointless to me. In my view, there are specific messengers sent by God to spread love, light, and goodness in this world—kind of like how Mother Teresa was such a force for good... asking for her intercession doesn't suddenly shut out the Holy Trinity, does it?

If we are going to continue this dialogue, you should understand that my reasoning and assertions are rooted in the Word of God as recorded in the Bible. If it is God's Word, then He stands behind it; He does not change it from moment to moment. For those of us striving to be honorable before men, we aim to keep our word; how much more so should we honor God, who guides us?

Now, the Word states that Jesus is the sole mediator between us and God. This is written in 1 Timothy 2:5-6: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all."

If you want to understand the actual truth regarding who and how someone operates under another name (whichever it may be), then tell me: are you aware that unclean spirits (demons, servants of Satan) often operate using the names of deceased individuals, leading people to believe they are encountering God when they are not? It is precisely for this reason that God gave us the name of Jesus—so that we can remain certain and not wander aimlessly.

Furthermore... God's messengers always act in the name of Jesus. Others may believe they are acting in God's name, but they are unaware that they are not.

Look, I used to lead that community; I know what I am talking about. Now that I have encountered the living Jesus, there is no longer any dilemma.

Robin Murphy4 said:I think people are just terrified of anything they don't understand—but honestly, it’s a problem when that fear and ignorance lead them to twist everything out of shape. Look, I'm a Catholic; my faith is the bedrock of my life. I make it a point to go to Mass every Sunday, and Jesus Christ is my Savior—period. No one can change that. But at the same time, I actually attended a few sessions with Bruno Groening's community, and this is how I personally experienced and understood it.

Bruno Groening was able to channel a massive amount of divine power that's all around us—because God is everything, or at least that's what I believe. That divine power worked through him to heal people while he was alive, and even after he finished his earthly life, those spiritual healings continued through his image. Basically, the divine power keeps working through his likeness. Now, here’s the most important part: Bruno isn't the one doing the healing. He isn't God, and nobody worships him—even if some people misinterpret things that way. He’s just a vessel, an ordinary man, a spiritual friend through whom the Heavenly Father works. That is exactly what he used to say.
Bruno always emphasized that we should give thanks to God, not him. He taught that we should have faith in God and trust in Him. He spoke about God, love, and kindness, and he always told people to keep attending their own churches. Honestly, looking back at his talks and the books I've read, I haven't seen—and still don't see—anything wrong with his message.
Even before this, I believed that God is health, love, and goodness. I've always believed in the power of positive divine thoughts, and I've always believed that "faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains."

Bruno said he came for everyone, regardless of where they're from, their race, or their religious background. I've seen firsthand how things can be healed and turned around for the better, and for that, I am truly grateful to God. Why would it be impossible for God to choose specific people to work through in order to reach others? It makes perfect sense to me.
I never got the vibe that this was some kind of cult, and I don't see anything wrong with people talking about the power of God's love or calling God the ultimate Healer—I mean, isn't God almighty?
For other reasons, I don't attend the community sessions anymore, but I still don't view Bruno Groening's circle of friends as a cult or anything negative. How can someone be "bad" if they are doing good, helping others, bringing people closer to God, and strengthening their faith?
I can tell you right now, I still go to my church and practice my faith. Jesus Christ is my way, my truth, and my life. But I can also say that because of my experience with Bruno Groening's circle, I've actually become a better believer and a better person overall.

There is no divine power outside of the Holy Spirit that comes from God, as God has granted us the Holy Trinity. If you look at Bruno's book of wisdom, where does he ever mention the Holy Spirit? He doesn't, not once. Isn't that strange? Anyone who uses the Scriptures only to the extent that it suits them is practicing a hollow piety, which is dangerous; it opens the door to impure forces that, in his era, were permitted to perform miracles.

Similarly, while Jesus came for all people, many reject Him. However, John 14:6 states clearly what He meant, and Jesus was explicit. If He said it, then it is so.
Many people, myself included, were once misled by miracles and healings. But I will say again: miracles are not the measure of God's presence. Rather, it is the presence of Jesus within those miracles. He still performs miracles today when He is called upon, and only then can we be certain they are from the Father, because the Father never departs from the Trinity.

You can read the testimony from the former leader of that community right here; my advice is to stay away, even if you're just curious.

To those currently involved, my counsel is this: examine God's commandments and recognize that you are violating the second one. Furthermore, understand that you have elevated Groening to the status of a modern saint, praying to him for assistance, when there is only one Name given under heaven—Jesus—the only Name through which you reach God the Father. John 14:6

Miracles are not proof of God's presence, because the Bible clearly states that God warned us false prophets would perform miracles. Matthew 24:24

Bruno did not hang on the Cross for you; only Jesus did. Any true miracles or healings from God's side come solely from Him. I realize this is difficult to accept, but it is the truth.

Bruno was misled... his intentions may have been good, but they were not from God.

Proverbs 16:25 says, "There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death."

"All people must die, myself included, but I will NOT be dead. And if you call for me then, I will come and continue to help, if God wills it," predicted Bruno Groening.

Only Jesus could say such a thing, because He ALONE rose from the dead, whereas Bruno's body is nothing more than dust.

vividfalcon14 said:About two and a half years ago, I found myself in that same dark place with a handful of pills, though I didn't experience any sudden "voice" guiding me out. 🤷

I just laid there and whispered, "God, please, I just want this to be over." The next thing I remember through the haze was the stomach pumping, followed by a blur of the ICU and the psych ward. 🤷

The real issue lies in one's relationship with Him. I already had that connection established back then, and my mother always prayed for me, so clearly, it was an act of mercy.
That doesn't make me a particularly special individual. However, look at it this way: He did not allow you to pass away; instead, He granted you a second chance. Therefore, you should cultivate a daily relationship with Jesus, because He is Love itself. When you receive that from Him, you have plenty to share with others.
People are conditioned to draw love from one another, and what happened here—which I truly cannot fathom—is a direct consequence of that imbalance. When a person places God's Love above all else, everything depends on that single source. But when a man puts the love of a woman above everything else, this is exactly the kind of chaos that ensues.

Ultimately, Love is shared and flows from only one source, which is Him. When you have that source, you draw from Him constantly, and you will never run dry. Consequently, people will naturally be drawn to you because you remain joyful and full of understanding—qualities that women deeply value and need.

When a woman perceives that she is the sole provider while you are merely the consumer, she feels depleted because she lacks her own source. The same applies in reverse: if a man provides everything while she draws solely from him, things eventually become stagnant and dull.
God is the ultimate source of inspiration and love; He provides, and we simply distribute it among ourselves.

Tyler Booth40 said:I honestly don't even know why I'm starting this thread. It won't change anything... but I just need somewhere to vent. 😢

She left me for someone else. I've never loved anyone the way I loved her. It felt like we were meant to be... she was my first thought every morning and my last thought every night. She was basically my entire reason for being. 😢 Since I struggle with depression, I've lost all hope of ever being loved or living a normal life like everyone else. I have no friends left... no will to keep going.

Of course, everyone gets heartbroken after a breakup, but this keeps happening to me. I'm starting to wonder why I'm even here when I feel like a total failure. Nothing ever goes right, and everyone I care about eventually turns their back on me 😢 How do you find real love or actual friends????

Please, if anyone has any advice or just wants to comment... things are getting so dark that I've had thoughts of ending it all. I don't want to do that, though... not because of myself, but because of my parents and my family. 😢

Let me offer you some advice based on my own experience.

I have been exactly where you are. I reached a breaking point and decided to take my own life; I even attempted it by taking a handful of pills. Had they worked, I wouldn't be here today, and I would be suffering in a fiery hell. For that reason, I am so grateful to Jesus for saving me. In that moment, I heard a voice in my mind that told me, "It is not your time yet." It was so convincing that I immediately called 911 because I felt a sudden surge of hope in my heart that I had never experienced before. After the paramedics treated me, I eventually came across the book "The power of positive thinking" by N. V. Peal. Through its pages, I realized how much I needed to invite Jesus into my heart and declare to the heavens that He is my Lord and Savior from this day forward.
I went into my room and said, "Jesus, here I am. I surrender myself to You, and I invite You into my heart. I am sorry for all the wrong things I have done in my life, and I forgive everyone who has ever hurt me."

In that moment, I felt the embrace of God's presence, and the entire weight of guilt and sorrow I had been carrying simply fell away. That sense of freedom was indescribable, and the joy was beyond words.

Today, God has brought a woman into my life whom I have married. She loves Jesus just as I do, and we share a bond rooted in His unconditional Love. I have forgotten everything that happened in the past, and I have confessed my old mistakes to those I could. People couldn't understand how I changed so drastically overnight, but I share my story whenever I get the chance, because without Him, perfect love between people simply cannot function.

Do what I did, and believe me, you will find a reason to live, no matter how dark things seem.

Best regards. 🙂

The speed at which these two threads regarding Jesus Christ were shut down strikes me as nothing less than the persecution of Christians and an assault on our freedom here. If my assessment is flawed, I invite you to prove me wrong, though I am confident that I have violated no community guidelines, particularly regarding that last poll.

Go ahead and close this thread too if that is what the moderators deem necessary. To me, persecution is simply part of the Christian experience, and I personally view it as a blessing; I am proud to stand for the Lord in this way.

I also know that the Lord sees everything. I do not believe He will remain idle in this matter, for His Word tells us, "Whoever rises up against you shall fall before you," and "Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for Me." My brothers, my sisters, and I are His humble servants, and we find our peace in Him because He is a faithful Shepherd.🙂

Michael Moore3 said:Of course I am. An unbeliever. I tend to base my experiences on what I’ve personally come to realize rather than just taking someone else's word for it; after all, if something is truly true, you can feel that truth for yourself instead of simply believing in it without ever actually experiencing it.

I find myself somewhat fascinated by the logic of believing that truth exists exclusively within the Bible, especially since everyone mentioned in its pages insists that what they’ve written is the absolute truth. It feels a bit like taking the word of Coca-Cola employees when they claim their soda is actually good for you, and simply accepting it as fact just because they happen to work for the company.
Of course they aren't going to dig their own grave by admitting their product is flawed; Coca-Cola—if we’re looking at the Bible as an analogy—only stays relevant because there are enough people willing to take everything the executives at Coca-Cola say at face value without ever bothering to check the facts for themselves.
I suppose that’s precisely why they call you "believers"—because you aren't exactly out there hunting for facts, but rather just settling for whatever you choose to believe.
The absolute pinnacle of stupidity has to be that whole "blessed are those who see not, but believe" nonsense. Honestly, I don't think Jesus would ever actually say something like that; it feels more like someone just tacked it onto his teachings because the lie itself makes zero sense. It’s like if Coca-Cola decided their new slogan was "blessed are those who drink without questioning what's inside." I mean, hello? You're essentially handing over your entire faith to a handful of people, letting them dictate how you live your life and even what you consume. Seriously, hello?

But I do not place my faith in any human beings; rather, I place it in Jesus, and my faith has matured into actual perception because I experience His presence in various ways every single day. Once you experience God, that is when the Path truly begins, where you will receive all your answers. This is why Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born again—born of the spirit of God. Your spirit must be reborn, which occurs when you invite Jesus into your life.

And what does it cost you to invite Him? Will you lose anything? You won't. So, please, just invite Him and say, "Jesus, if You are real, please show me. You see my heart seeking the Truth..." Simply put it in your own words, and He is so faithful that He will show you who the Truth is, in a way that is specific to you—a way you can understand and grasp, in a manner known only to Him because He knows you perfectly.🙂

Michael Moore3 said:Aren't all those prophets actually from the Bible? And if they aren't, I'd love to hear at least one name.

But where else would they come from, my friend Michael Moore3? Should one really be expected to trust some outside collaborator over their own people? The Bible was written specifically for the Jewish people during that era, and their ancient prophets were reliable because their prophecies came from the very same God to whom both the people and the prophets prayed.

The Three Kings weren't part of the Jewish people either, yet their presence serves as confirmation of the birth of the Son of God. Honestly, what more can I say? I don't think I've ever encountered anyone more skeptical than you.🙏

Michael Moore3 said:If all sacred texts were penned by human hands under divine inspiration...
then I suppose one has to wonder what actually sets the Bible apart from any other holy book written through that exact same process?

The prophecies regarding the coming of Jesus, delivered by various prophets who lived in different eras, never met one another, and had no way of hearing or knowing what others had predicted about the same event—coupled with the fact that these prophecies were actually fulfilled—is what distinguishes it from everything else.
I believe that provides sufficient evidence.

Brian Thomas612 said:You're generalizing again! 🙂
What you lived through was that transcendental meditation movement which, honestly, lost almost everything Maharishi originally intended for it once it hit the West. People drifted away once they started mass-opening their centers and chasing those flows of siddhi powers. It turned into this pursuit of mastering various energies just to get ahead or prove something here in the physical world, all while hiding behind the mask of TM spirituality.
It makes total sense that when someone enters what we might still call 'spirituality' through that door, you have to wonder where that energy is truly originating. That’s the dark side of the New Age movement right there. You even mentioned yourself how you wanted to move up to a higher level, but couldn't because you were short on cash (maybe a couple thousand bucks?).
But if a person stays honest and sincere, eventually they'll hit a point of burnout, and God's mercy will show them a better path forward—kind of like how things worked out for you.
🙂

Precisely.

Brian Thomas612 said:Well, that makes sense for you because you’ve actually experienced it firsthand, which is the most important thing. It sounds like your faith in Jesus isn't built just on the Bible—simply because someone told you it was true.
But I have to point out again that people all over the world have different experiences. They follow various teachers (avatars) whose sacred texts about the path to God aren't viewed quite the same way you view yours—it's not just about Jesus. It seems to be something much more universal: a deep love for God, for every living creature, letting go of material things, giving unconditionally, practicing forgiveness... Have you ever heard it described that way? Isn't that exactly what Jesus stood for? Isn't that the very path that leads back to the Father?
Man, I honestly wonder if you realize that after hundreds of years and countless versions and translations, the phrase "No one comes to the Father except through me" carries a totally different nuance now. And yet, there's so much debate about it! Maybe the very first Bible was written under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but what about the version we're holding in our hands today? Come on, let's be real...

I have certainly heard of it; I spent years immersed in that "universalist" mindset. The whole talk about "energy" simply doesn't hold water because any energy being channeled originates from one of the spirits. The real question is whom you are serving, and the truth is that we are all serving someone, whether we realize it or not. Therefore, when you live with Jesus, you can be certain of the source of your energy. Otherwise, you have no idea where it originates, and more importantly, you have no clue where it is taking you—but you don't care because you don't believe in some fictional destinations.

So, when Jesus said "except through me," he meant it literally. Anyone who lives with Jesus comes to the Father through Him. He is a Person, not merely an energy, a creative force, or a power. That creative power, which flows through the Holy Spirit given to us on earth, creates everything that enters our lives out of the Father's Love, because He is a Person—the source of all good.

It is not our responsibility to fret over the Bible. Once you are saved and possess the Holy Spirit, who bears witness to all things, you no longer worry; your focus is directed toward eternity. What matters is that you have salvation. From that comes the peace of God, which permeates your being, surpassing all understanding, followed by a joy that keeps a smile on your face that no one can take away. You know that everything here is fleeting, whereas the eternal cannot be taken or changed—and that is life with God the Father forever.🙂

Michael Moore3 said:So, who actually wrote the Bible?

It was the work of human hands and minds, certainly, but they were guided by the Holy Spirit. This clearly indicates that the Holy Spirit is the true author—in other words, God.

Brian Thomas612 said:I feel like we might be spinning our wheels a bit because I think we've all circled this topic before, but let me ask again: What makes you so certain that you've found the specific Truth (that Jesus is the sole Savior and the Bible is the ultimate authority)? Is it just because, as you mentioned, you had a personal encounter with Jesus that gave you that clarity? I'd really love to hear your thoughts on that! And if that's the case, how do we account for everyone else out there who has had profound experiences or visions involving different teachers, different deities, or different spiritual insights? Does their experience somehow make them a new messiah in your eyes?

For a Christian, the Bible is the authority, and I am simply declaring the Truth as it is written within those pages.
A messiah of a new age? Really? I didn't die on the cross, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
Fine, let me clarify my perspective on the divine once more.
If God the Father is in heaven and Jesus, the Son of God, is who He says He is, then everything Jesus spoke is absolute Truth. One of His own statements was, "No one comes to the Father except through me." This means that anyone walking with Jesus is also walking with God and is on the right path. I truly don't know how to explain it any further than that.

Brian Thomas612 said:I think anyone could take a sentence like that and interpret it however they wanted.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to what you believe.
I'm guessing you'd argue that it means if you realize the Truth—meaning you find Jesus, invite Him into your life, and repent for your sins—you'll be free, or rather, you'll have eternal life.
Personally, I tend to look at it a bit differently. To me, the Truth is about self-realization, or discovering our own divine nature. Doing that is what actually sets us free. Free from fear, free from ignorance, and even free from that nagging anxiety of *not* knowing.
It's funny, really. Belief is such a complicated thing.
The real question is whether you're going to try to force your version of "the Truth" onto someone else, or if you'll just let them keep living their lives, even if they're "in an illusion."

🙂

The Truth cannot be forced upon anyone. It is declared, and those who hear it and turn toward it will recognize it. There is only one Truth, and we are discussing the eternal Truth here.
The power of belief is immense; whatever you believe in will shape your reality, regardless of whether you follow a spiritual guide or believe you are acting alone (though the reality is that we all serve someone, whether consciously or unconsciously—be it God or Satan).

One can achieve a great deal through self-discipline, self-actualization, and strength of character. What we are discussing is the salvation that leads to eternal life (spiritually speaking, of course).
No matter how many virtues you possess, having Jesus by your side removes every obstacle, allowing you to achieve far more than you ever could on your own. Most importantly, you receive a peace that surpasses all understanding—a peace that emanates from your spirit and cannot be taken away by anyone.

If you are being truly honest with yourself and you ask, "What happens to my eternity?", you will either find yourself without an answer or feel a deep sense of unrest. You might even find yourself quickly moving away from the thought, which is a direct consequence of not being saved (being born again of the spirit). When your spirit is reborn by God, your entire being understands that your eternity is secure. That is the profound experience one has when they sincerely desire the Truth and welcome Jesus into their life as their Savior.

What exactly do you have to lose?🙂

Brian Thomas612 said:Does it actually matter what "Truth" is?
If someone is genuinely happy holding onto their own version of the Truth, and they aren't out there stepping on anyone else's toes to do it...
is there really any point in trying to force them to see yours (that whole "objective reality" argument)?
I mean, unless your version of the Truth requires you to start infringing on other people's rights or stripping away their freedom, right?

The scripture clearly states that "...the Truth will set you free." That is the core of the matter. You can certainly choose to live within a comfortable delusion if it suits you, but we are discussing the eternal implications of our choices. If you remain ignorant of the Truth regarding eternity, your future remains profoundly uncertain. Therefore, it is essential to seek and understand the Truth; once you truly grasp and accept it, you will experience a profound sense of peace and live a life filled with joy.🙂

Michael Moore3 said:Since you asked me to take a look at your version of the Truth, I’m asking the same of you; please, consider my perspective:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29460246678761
To be fair, mine runs a bit longer than yours does, so perhaps just watch the first 26 minutes to match the length of your video, and feel free to ignore the rest if you aren't feeling it.

I managed to get through about 17 minutes before I had to stop. Without being judgmental, my impression of the presentation was purely human; it lacked the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, without which God's wisdom cannot be expressed through human lips.
There is only one Truth, brother. Everything else is a deception, however convincing it may seem. Deception can be incredibly subtle, and people can lose their lives chasing what only appears to be true. That is why one must be certain of The Way, and that certainty can only be found in Jesus. I know where I stand. The eternal words spoken by Jesus remain unchangeable.

Michael Moore3 said:You should check out the documentary "Zeitgeist"
In it, you might see how Jesus appeared throughout different eras of history within various cultures under different personas. What all these figures share—including Jesus—is that they don't represent a physical person, but rather the sun's journey across the sky. Jesus's death after three days and his resurrection represents the time of year when the sun is at its lowest point in the sky (which lasts three days), followed by the days getting longer (the resurrection). That’s why Jesus's life is celebrated at this same time every year.

Just as American religion evolved from ancient Egyptian roots (which I mentioned before regarding the word "Amen" and the transcription of much of the Bible from the Egyptian Book of the Dead), the Egyptians believed God was invisible. Like many ancient peoples, they felt you could only perceive the divine through creation, and the most brilliant of those creations is the sun. The point is: you can't see God directly, but you can see God's sun—His son.

So, what Jesus claims holds up if you interpret it through the lens of the ancient beliefs that gave rise to Christianity.

Here are a few more examples:
You know the story about the wedding at Cana?
Cana is actually Canaan; Americans celebrate weddings to mark the union of Yahweh (masculine energy) and nature (the earth) during the spring—when the heavy rains begin to fertilize the soil. The mother asks Jesus to turn water into wine (essentially asking the sun to pull the water up so the vines can produce grapes). And that is how Jesus turned water into wine...

The story where Jesus feeds the multitudes with fish on a mountain:
The fish is a symbol of Christianity. He didn't physically feed people fish; he fed their spirits with his teachings (Christian doctrine).

And here is some symbolism for you:
The name Israel:
IS-RA-EL refers to three distinct Old Testament deities: ISIS, AMON RA (the sun), and EL (Saturn).

shadownomad4, Jesus's teaching is one truth and one way, but certainly not the only one. Believing it is the only way simply because "that's what he said" makes you a follower who doesn't understand why they do what they do, justifying their actions through a higher purpose they can't grasp or even see—they just believe.
That kind of belief leads to many errors because it removes individual responsibility, especially since one attributes their own actions to divine intervention through themselves, as seen in your example.

Lies. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and lies from Satan.

Michael Moore3 said:As I mentioned before, aside from my early steps on my spiritual path, I only really started diving deep into Jesus' teachings a few years back, spending a significant amount of time and focus reading through the book of life. It led to several insights I hadn't quite grasped before—like the idea that Jesus might not have actually died on the cross, but was instead quickly taken down through the influence of Joseph of Arimathea, who was a powerful figure and a follower of Jesus.
In the Gospel of Mark, it says:
"When the centurion standing by him saw what had happened, he said, 'Surely this man was the son of God.'"
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"Pilate, seeing that the man was already dead, asked the centurion if he had died a long time ago."

It seems clear here that the centurion was devoted to Jesus, leading him to tell Pilate that he had already passed. Given how long and agonizing a death on the cross typically is, it makes sense why Pilate would be surprised that Jesus was already gone.
Regardless, Jesus was removed from the cross and immediately wrapped in linen along with myrrh—which acts as a very potent traditional remedy with anti-inflammatory and antibacterial properties.

But none of that is truly the point; the essence of Jesus' own play required an immense amount of willpower and a willingness to endure suffering without any selfish motive.

Ultimately, I’m sticking to my guns: Jesus represents one of many paths and truths, but certainly not the only one. When Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," he didn't say, "I am the *only* way, truth, and life," which is precisely the point you seem to be trying to drive home to me...

"I am the Path, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the father except through me."

Could it not have been stated more clearly? If there were any other option, he wouldn't have said "except through me."