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Buddhism in Spirituality ·
Enchantress said:Sometimes when I jump on here, I get so sucked into the discussions that I completely retreat into my own head. I lose track of everything—hunger, thirst, even the temperature in the room. It’s like the world just disappears. Nothing hits me quite like an intense online debate. There have been times where I finally log off and suddenly realize I’m freezing, starving, dehydrated, and nursing a massive headache. I feel absolutely trashed. I can't tell if I've actually achieved some kind of peak mental state or if I've just found a way to hyper-focus so deeply that I lose touch with reality. Most people probably have their own version of this. For me—believe it or not—it's this forum! But honestly, it's nothing special; it's just intense mental concentration.
I'm sure everyone has their own trigger for entering that zone, or maybe it just happens spontaneously, like it does for me. 😛

Well, I wouldn't say it's exactly the same thing. It's easy enough to get lost in a great movie, a night of good sex, or something similar.

The things that naturally grab our attention and pull us into focus aren't the point. The whole purpose of these exercises is to learn how to consciously control and understand our own mental processes, rather than just being a leaf blowing in the wind, tossed around by whatever pops into our heads.
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Enchantress said:I’m always hanging out on the forum late at night, so I never really forget them. It’s just a hassle to keep posting about them all the time. I can still vividly remember last night's dream. 😉

But why bother? I mean, sure, it might be fun, but whether you remember your dreams or not—lucid or not—it doesn't really matter. There are plenty of other ways to have a good time. 😉

Actually, it does matter to me because the clarity and intensity of my dreams act as a mirror for my mental state; it's one of my main indicators. When I'm feeling sharp, both mentally and physically, my dreams are incredible. If I'm focused but not quite at my peak, the dreams are vivid but usually pretty unpleasant. And if I'm feeling sluggish and shut down, I don't dream at all. It isn't the end-all-be-all, but it's definitely a symptom.

If we're feeling "dead" inside, I truly believe something is off with our lifestyle. This is just how it works for me, so it won't hurt Karen Sanchez19 to give it a shot. I'm sure they can handle skipping the bourbon and staying off the forums for a few days. 😁
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Balkanijan Pig said:That’s easy for someone like Vivekanand to say when he’s sitting there totally oblivious to a mosquito swarm hitting him because he’s so detached from his physical body, while the entire group meditating around him is jumping up and catching everything.

Honestly, sometimes when I log onto this forum, I get so sucked into the discussions that I completely retreat into my own head. I lose track of everything—hunger, thirst, the temperature in the room—I don't even hear what's going on around me. Nothing hits me quite like an intense online debate. There have been times where I finally unplug and suddenly realize I’m freezing, starving, parched, and have a massive headache from just sitting there. Did I actually achieve some kind of mental breakthrough, or did I just find a way to hyper-focus so hard that I basically lost touch with reality? Everyone probably has their own "trigger" for that kind of state. For me—believe it or not—it’s this forum! But really, it’s nothing mystical; it’s just extreme mental concentration.
I’m sure everyone has their own way of entering those states, or maybe they just happen spontaneously, like they do for me. 😛
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Enchantress said:Personally, I’m already starting to remember my dreams, and when those lucid ones actually happen—man, they are something else. 🙂
I feel like we haven't quite been on the same page here. Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, you can take a single thought, pull it to the forefront, and focus on it to potentially trigger something. That's basically how most visualization techniques work. I know from experience because I used to dive deep into that stuff myself. But if you stick with it long enough, you start to realize that you can't just manifest everything through sheer willpower (even if you're using the exact same method). Eventually, you hit this realization where you see that YOU aren't actually the one pulling the strings. What you *thought* you triggered through visualization was probably going to happen anyway; your desire for it was really just a sign that it was coming. It’s hard to put into words, but over time, it just clicks. Once you stop trying so hard to force changes or chase specific desires and ideas, and just follow your intuition instead, you realize everything is already unfolding on its own. You just trick yourself into thinking you're the driver. It’s a bit trippy, but I hope that makes sense.

The whole thing about memory applied to Karen Sanchez19😁

But isn't observing and monitoring your thoughts considered a practice in itself? Your consciousness and attention are right there in the mix, so that constitutes training. Using observation is one of those very standard "techniques." Still, the ultimate goal is to reach a state of no-mind. If you get too caught up watching all the different mental fireworks and states of being, you run the risk of just getting distracted by playing games with your own mind.
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Look, I’m telling you again—this has nothing to do with your physical body or even your thoughts, so there’s really no point in trying to calm them down...

🙄

If that's true, then why bother eating, sleeping, moving, or doing anything at all? If the body doesn't matter, why waste any time on it?

That sounds like something Vivekanand would say while someone's swatting mosquitoes at him and he doesn't even flinch because he's totally detached from his physical self—meanwhile, the whole group meditating around him is jumping up and reacting to everything.

You might get the intellectual concept behind it, but I highly doubt you've ever actually experienced a state of pure consciousness that's completely detached from the body and the mind.😉

It's all just theory, theory, theory... honestly, five minutes of actual practice would do you more good than all this endless debating.
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Balkanijan Pig said:If I stay up too late on the forums, I can never recall them. But if I head to bed early and wake up before the sun comes up, they stick with me.

I’m always hanging out online late into the night, and I remember them every single time. It’s just that I can't be bothered to type them all out here. I still remember last night's vividly. 😉

But honestly, what's the point? Sure, it might be fun, but whether you remember your dreams or not—lucid or not—it doesn't really matter. There are plenty of other ways to have a good time. 😉
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Practice and enlightenment aren't even related🙏 🙂

Look, we’ve already been through this. We showed our mentor—no matter how much he screamed and threw a fit about it—that every single expert except for Ramani actually put in the work. Even Amanu was recommending the process. So, if those people claim they're "enlightened," are you really going to sit there and act like you know better?🤣

Maybe once you actually reach "enlightenment" yourself, I'll take you seriously. Until then, you're just making noise.🙂
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Balkanijan Pig said:It’s the same deal with the body. If you stop working out, you’re going to lose your shape. Does that mean you shouldn't exercise? Not at all. Once you move beyond the physical—when you’ve transcended the body and reached a state of pure consciousness or whatever you want to call it—there won't be a need for it anymore. But as long as you have a body and are living in it, you have to maintain it. It’s the exact same thing with the mind. Once you rise above thoughts and the ego, sure, Ramani wouldn't need to meditate, yet he highly recommended atma vichara as an incredibly effective form of meditation for his students. As long as the mind exists, you have to keep it in shape, otherwise, it just gets sluggish and messy.

Yeah, I’m with you there, though I envision "maintaining the mind" a little differently. To me, that means learning, sharpening my memory, honing logic, and building up those mental muscles, rather than just focusing on a single point or something like that. Just like the body, the mind serves a practical, material purpose—it's what allows us to navigate life in this reality.

By the way, I swear I just had total déjà vu while typing this out.
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Dreaming has nothing to do with this, and neither does the forum.🙂 🙂

Practice and enlightenment are two different things.🙏 🙂

But the stuff about lucid dreaming is spot on.

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And since you mentioned you have techniques, shoot me a DM and share them!😉

It actually has everything to do with dreams. Once you learn how to stay mindful and conscious while you're awake, that awareness starts bleeding into your sleep too.

When your life and your mind are disciplined, everything falls into place—including your dreams. They’re really just an echo of your waking state.

If you just start going to bed at a decent time instead of staying up until 2 AM and then getting up at 4 AM, you'll notice a difference. If you write down your dreams in a journal right when you wake up (ideally while you're still tucked in), you'll start remembering them much more often. Throw in some meditation—like Vipassana or even just some Zen practice—before bed and right after you wake up, and you'll be golden. If you want to go lucid, any standard technique works, but I recommend doing it this way: meditate at 4 AM, then lie back down for about an hour. That's usually the sweet spot for lucid dreaming.

Staying away from forums, TV, computers, and other brain-rot distractions helps a lot, too.

It doesn't have to be just a few hours before bed; it's more about your whole evening routine.

I honestly believe if you stick to this for a few days (just living a healthy lifestyle + keeping a dream journal), you'll start remembering your dreams.

Whenever I'm scrolling through forums late into the night, I never remember anything. But if I hit the sack early and get up before sunrise, they come back to me.

They might not happen at the exact same time, but I'm betting your chances will definitely improve.
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Balkanijan Pig said:LOL, talking about mind control and thought patterns when you're just some guy scrolling through internet forums at 3 AM who can't even remember his own dreams 🤣. B

That was the one and only. 😢 😁

I’ll bet you anything that if you follow my lead for just a week, you'll start remembering your dreams and probably even hit a lucid dream or two. 😉

Actually, I already remember my dreams, and whenever I have a lucid one—hey, I'm all for it. 🙂
I think we're totally missing each other here. Like I mentioned in a previous post, sure, you can push a single thought to the forefront, focus on it, and maybe—just maybe—get somewhere with it. That's basically how visualization techniques work; I used to do it myself back in the day. But once you stick with it long enough, you start realizing that you can't actually force certain things to happen just by thinking about them (even if you use the exact same method). Eventually, you realize you aren't actually *doing* anything. What you thought you triggered through visualization was likely going to happen anyway, and your desire for it was just a sign that it was coming. It's hard to put into words, but you eventually just get it. If you stop trying to micromanage everything and just follow your intuition and flow, you see that life follows its own course regardless—you just trick yourself into thinking you're the one driving. It sounds a bit trippy, but I hope that makes sense.

You guys can play philosopher all you want, but practice is what matters. Theory is just for people with too much free time on their hands. 🙂

Look above; there's a perfect example of my "practice" in action.
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Enchantress said:Honestly, what’s the actual point? You're just suppressing one stream of thought with another—either by focusing on specific ideas (concentration) or dwelling on feelings (devotion). Once you stop that mental gymnastics, everything just snaps back to how it was. You haven't actually accomplished anything; you've just swapped one set of thoughts for another, pushing one idea to the front while everything else continues to simmer just beneath the surface of your awareness.

That goes for the body, too. If you stop working out, you're going to lose your shape. Does that mean we shouldn't exercise? Of course not. Once you move beyond the physical realm and reach a state of pure consciousness where the concept of a "body" doesn't even apply, there won't be any need for it. But as long as you're living in this world and inhabiting a physical form, you have to maintain it. It's the same deal with the mind. Once you transcend thought entirely, all this becomes irrelevant—Ramani didn't "need" to meditate, yet he highly recommended Atma Vichara as an incredibly effective method for his students. As long as the mind exists, you've got to keep it in shape, otherwise, it’s just going to get sluggish and messy.
Buddhism in Spirituality ·
Lol, we’ve got people here debating mind control and lucid dreaming while being haunted by night terrors and guys who can't even remember their own damn dreams 🤣 .B

I’m down to make a bet: if you follow my lead for just one week, you’ll start remembering your dreams—and honestly, you’ll probably start having lucid ones too. 😉

Go ahead and philosophize all you want, but practice is what actually works. Theory is just for people with way too much time on their hands. 🙂
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grizzly said:Bread and bandwidth🙏 🙏 🙏

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Heads up! 😁
(God, these addicts! 😛 )
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The Wanderer said:You can try using willpower (concentration) or leaning into your emotions (devotion).

But honestly, what’s the point? You're just suppressing one stream of thought with another—either by forcing focus or by obsessing over feelings. Once you stop pushing, everything just snaps back to exactly how it was. You haven't actually changed anything. All you did was swap one thought for another, dragging one specific idea to the surface while the rest of it continues to swirl just beneath the radar.
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North American Pig said:Exactly. If you aren't breathing down their necks, they don't cause trouble because they just do whatever they want. The Devil only starts acting up when you try to walk away from him. 😈

As long as your thoughts are running the show and you aren't trying to hand control back over to them, why would they even push back? 😁

😱
Wait, did you fall down the Gnostic rabbit hole too?

Actually, it's the opposite. Thoughts become "masters" (don't take that literally!) the moment you start getting tangled in a mental whirlpool—when you start obsessively dwelling on SOMETHING (an object, an idea, whatever). A master once explained this perfectly in a post. Once that happens, the mind immediately kicks into gear, analyzing causes and effects, inventing purposes and benefits, and within moments—boom, you've got a headache. 😁
Like Karen Sanchez19 said: you can't fight thoughts with more thoughts. That’s actually one big illusion if you really stop to think about it. You basically think you're using thoughts to stop thoughts, but the whole struggle is just one massive, continuous thought. 😛
Besides, it's easy to test this out. Just relax and let your thoughts drift (again, don't be literal here, because we aren't "letting" anything go, it's all just flowing anyway) and then try to trigger some specific ruminations about this or that. You'll notice the difference instantly.
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Karen Sanchez19 said:It’s all because of those de t thieves.
😠

It’s always someone else’s fault, isn't it? People love to point fingers at immigrants and blame them for buying up half the city. But wait—who’s stopping us from buying property and opening our own shops?

Who sold it to them in the first place? The exact same people complaining today are the ones who didn't mind when they pocketed a massive windfall to buy houses right in the middle of downtown.

Look, AT&T didn't just storm into America with an armed invasion. These things happen through contracts, deals, and concessions. There are plenty of other ways the government could have handled the relationship between big corporations and the market to prevent monopolies, but that's just how it played out.
Buddhism in Spirituality ·
Experiment results: I fell asleep. 😁 And twice, no less. Like, when I woke up, I tried again and immediately drifted off. I’ll give it another shot later and let you know how it goes. Honestly, this is way more interesting than I thought it would be. 😉

Karen Sanchez19 said:Just leave them alone. The more you try to micromanage them, the more they push back.🙏 😁 😎

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I feel so much better when I just let them do their thing and stop getting so attached. 🙂

Let's move this conversation to Private or via email.
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Private thinks you CAN'T fight back using just your thoughts🙏 🙏 😎 🙂

Actually, you can—through sheer willpower (focus) and deep emotion (devotion).
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Enchantress, what kind of internet connection do you have in New York City and how much are you paying for it?

I seriously can't believe cable internet in the States is twice as cheap and twice as fast. It’s all that damn T-Mobile trash's fault...

Sure, it'll be cheaper. In Mexico too. In the European Union. Even in Borneo.

God bless our beautiful, beautiful, beautiful coastlines and beaches... 🙂
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Karen Sanchez19 said:Just leave them alone. The more you try to suffocate them, the more they push back.🙏 😁 😎

Exactly. If you aren't breathing down their necks, they won't rebel because they’re just doing whatever they want. Even the Devil doesn't start acting up until you actually try to walk away from him.😈

As long as your thoughts are under control and you aren't trying to flip the script on them, why would there even be any resistance?😁