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Paul Jones7 said:That’s kind of the kicker, though—faith itself might be one of those tools. I’d be lying if I said I knew exactly how it works. Is it external assistance, or does our faith actually have some sort of creative power over our circumstances? Or maybe it’s a bit of both?
The way I see it, every person has their own soul, which is basically another version of ourselves existing in the spiritual realm. The soul can do pretty much anything; faith, then, is just finding harmony with that soul. If our soul is doing the work, it isn't really "help from the outside"—it's just helping ourselves. It's us. Only, it's not our egoic personality; the soul has its own level of awareness.
Then again, maybe it truly is always external help, and perhaps we shouldn't lean on it too heavily when we could be doing more with our own two hands. I agree that it's better to handle things ourselves whenever possible. But our own hands have limits. What happens once we hit them? What would be the reason to abandon faith—or belief—if faith actually possesses some kind of genuine power?
You’re never going to prove that expectations are an inevitable byproduct of faith and hope. To me, they seem more like an option—one that’s probably best avoided if you can manage it.
To me, this whole push to renounce faith and hope feels like a purely intellectual school of thought that bases all development on pure reason. I can respect that approach and its effectiveness, but I don't think it's the only way to live. I’ve seen enough in my own life to know it definitely isn't the only path. Reason is a tool... but it's certainly not the only one we have in the kit. Humans aren't entirely rational creatures, nor do I think we're supposed to be.
Based on what I believe, every person carries their own soul, which is essentially another "self" existing in the spiritual realm. That soul has its own agency, and faith is just the act of getting in sync with it. If the soul is doing the work, it isn't "outside help"—it’s us helping ourselves. It’s just that this part of us isn't our everyday personality; it has its own consciousness.
Maybe it really is always external help, which means we shouldn't over-rely on it when we can handle things ourselves. I agree that taking matters into our own hands is better whenever possible. But our own strength has limits. Once we hit those walls, what then? Why would anyone ever abandon faith if it truly holds any kind of power?
You’ll never be able to prove that expectations are an inevitable byproduct of faith and hope. To me, they’re just an option—one that’s actually better to decline whenever you can.
To me, this constant push to renounce faith and hope feels like a specific intellectual school of thought that relies solely on pure reason. I recognize that such a mindset exists and can be effective, but I reject the idea that it's the only way. My own life has proven that it definitely isn't. Logic is a tool, sure... but it's not the only one we have. Humans aren't purely rational creatures, nor do I think we need to be.
Paul Jones7 said:I mean, honestly... what can you even say about it? It’s just one of those things that sits there, kind of heavy, I guess. Maybe I'm overthinking it—I probably am—but there's just this sense of... well, you know. It's hard to put a finger on it without sounding like I'm trying too hard. Anyway, it is what it is. kaže:
I have to admit, I found this a little confusing—at least, that was just me, anyway. I mean, obviously, the future isn't necessarily set in stone; it doesn't *have* to be just one single path. And it’s probably less about what’s possible and more about the choices we actually make. But it makes me wonder... when we talk about faith—or even just a belief system—are we focusing on the choice itself (you know, the actual process or the path we take toward a goal), or are we just fixating on the end result? Like, if someone is dealing with an illness, are they putting their faith into finding the right treatment or the right way to heal—the process—or are they just believing blindly in the outcome, that they'll just be healthy again? It's a bit of a nuance, I guess.
It all comes down to focus, I guess. You just have to do what you can, and then... well, you trust the process. If that means having faith in God, then maybe it works like this: if you’ve done everything within your power—everything you actually knew how to do at the time—then you can believe that God will step in to handle the rest. It's almost like, by staying on the right path and doing things the right way, you've earned a little bit of divine backup to help settle the rest of the pieces. Maybe.I mean, honestly... what can you even say? It’s just one of those things. I guess there isn't much point in overthinking it—sometimes things just are what they are, right? Maybe we all spend too much time looking for some deep, hidden meaning when the reality is probably much simpler—and maybe a bit more frustrating—than we'd like to admit. I don't know. Just an observation, I suppose. kaže:
Is a vision really the same thing as faith? I mean, I’ve been sitting here wondering about that—it’s one of those questions that feels simple until you actually try to pin it down, I guess. Maybe they’re two sides of the same coin, or maybe they’re worlds apart. If you think about it, a vision is like... a blueprint, right? It’s that mental picture of how things could be—that spark of an idea or a goal you see clearly in your mind. But faith? That feels different. Faith is more like the fuel in the tank. It’s that gut feeling that even when the blueprint looks impossible or the road ahead looks pretty bleak, you just know you’ll get there anyway. I suppose you could have a vision without faith—just a daydreamer staring out a window at some rainy street in Seattle, imagining a life that isn't happening—but without the faith part, that vision probably isn't going anywhere. It just stays a thought. On the flip side, can you really have faith in nothing? Probably not. Usually, there's a tiny seed of a vision there first, acting as the anchor for the belief. It's a bit of a loop, honestly. A little bit of seeing leads to a little bit of believing, which gives you the strength to see even further. Or maybe I'm overthinking it—which, let's face it, is kind of my default setting. Just a thought, though. What do you guys think?🤷
I guess there’s a bit of a distinction to be made here—and I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit lately—between actually believing in yourself and your own capabilities versus just... hoping for the best. To me, they aren't exactly the same thing. One is about trusting your own skin in the game, while the other is more like just wishing for a lucky break. Maybe it sounds a bit pedantic, but I think there's a massive difference between having confidence in your tools and just crossing your fingers that the universe decides to be kind today.
Why not just do both? I mean, I guess there isn't really a rule against it—unless you're looking for things to get complicated, which, let's be honest, is usually how my day goes anyway.I guess I should probably start by saying that I don't really have much to add to what was said earlier—it’s all a bit much, isn't it? I mean, maybe I'm just overthinking things, but there's a certain way the world works that feels... well, complicated. It’s like when you’re trying to follow a conversation at a crowded bar in Chicago—you catch bits and pieces, but the full picture always seems to slip through your fingers just when you think you've got it. Anyway, I'll just sit here and process it all. kaže:
Some people cling to hope like it's some kind of magic cure-all—as if just wishing for things to get better will somehow make all their problems vanish into thin air. I’ve definitely been there myself, honestly. Back when I was stuck in that headspace, I used to call it "couch therapy." But looking back, I think it was really just a way to run away from ourselves... you know? It feels easier in the short term, I guess, but it's mostly just a temporary escape.
What exactly is this thing people call "sad hope"? I mean, it’s such a strange, heavy concept—sort of like holding onto a flashlight when you know the batteries are dying, or maybe waiting for a train at a station that was decommissioned years ago. It's that feeling where you're still wishing for something, but deep down, you already know how the story ends. It’s a bit of a gut punch, honestly. I guess it's that lingering, quiet ache of wanting things to be different, even when reality is shouting otherwise. Just a thought, anyway. 🤷 It feels a little contradictory to me—I don't know, maybe I'm just overthinking it—but there's definitely a bit of a clash there.
It really works best when you pair it with actual effort—you know, some real boots-on-the-ground action. I mean, who exactly deserves some kind of "divine intervention" if they haven't even rolled up their sleeves to do the work themselves? And honestly, who thinks that’s a fair way to live? The soul just isn't going to be happy with that kind of mindset. It has its own set of principles, I guess. It judges based on what’s actually needed—if you look at it as the soul being the higher consciousness, or the higher self, or the essence... basically, your guardian angel. It's all connected.I don't know, maybe I'm just overthinking things—it’s probably just one of those moments where everything feels a bit... off? I guess. It’s hard to put a finger on it without sounding like I'm making excuses, but there's definitely a certain feeling there. Just a thought, I suppose. kaže:
Can you actually hold onto faith and hope without letting expectations get in the way? It’s a tricky one—maybe even a bit of a paradox, if you think about it too long. I mean, isn't hope usually tied to wanting a specific outcome? We tend to plant these seeds of hope and then immediately start building an entire blueprint for how they should grow, which feels more like a demand than true belief. I guess there’s a subtle difference between the two, though. Real belief—the kind that doesn't leave you feeling crushed when things go sideways—feels more like a quiet confidence in the process rather than a checklist of results. It’s almost like... well, I don't know, maybe it's more about trusting the direction of things rather than micromanaging the destination. If you're constantly waiting for a specific door to open, are you really practicing hope, or are you just setting yourself up for disappointment? It's a fine line, I suppose. 🤷
If you’re out there believing and hoping for things like happiness, peace, love, or some kind of inner light... isn't it just human nature to start building up these expectations that you'll actually get them? It feels almost inevitable, I guess. But there's this catch—this little bit of a trap, really—where if you treat faith and hope as your only real tools for getting there, you end up accidentally handing over all your responsibility to someone else. You sort of outsource your own agency to "some higher power" or whatever, instead of actually owning your own path. Maybe that's just how we're wired, but it seems like a slippery slope.
I guess
when you're dealing with something "intangible"—like the future, for instance—it’s a little easier to form expectations once you have some kind of mental picture of how things might play out or what's actually possible. but, honestly, expectations are something you can end up fighting with yourself over constantly if you happen to be the type of person who tends to build them up too much. being humble isn't a bad thing either, nor is being happy or just feeling grateful for everything you've got and the breaks you've been given... because, really, you never truly know how much of it was due to anyone else. we like to think we're entirely responsible for our own success, but sometimes, I suppose, a little bit of "luck" plays a role, too.
Paul Jones7 said:Maybe the future isn't just one set path laid out for us—I don't know, maybe it’s more like a tree? Like, there are all these different branches of possibility stretching out everywhere. If that's actually how it works, then I guess faith—or even just what you choose to believe—could be the thing that actually makes a difference in which outcome you end up walking toward. Or at least, it might influence the direction you take.
I think psychology has actually looked into this whole "vision" thing before—if I recall correctly, there was some research done on students, comparing them during their college years to how they fared much later on. It basically showed that people who had a clear, positively defined picture of their future—you know, a real vision of what they wanted to achieve—and actually believed they could pull it off, ended up doing significantly better than the group that just sort of drifted along without any specific plan or vision. It’s funny how much that mental blueprint seems to matter, I guess.
You’ve got another example you can show yourself—assuming you’re still young enough to pull that off, anyway. Otherwise, I guess you'll just have to rely on your memory. 😁So, here’s an idea—it might be a little simplistic, maybe even a bit cliché, but bear with me. Try this out: go up to a girl once with total, unwavering confidence, like you just know it's going to work out. Then, try it again later with someone else, but this time, go in without any of that certainty—just sort of winging it, I guess. You’ll see pretty quickly that if you actually believe in yourself, things tend to click. But if you don't? Well, you're probably going to get shot down. It sounds almost too simple, but honestly, that level of self-belief... it really does make all the difference.
I don’t really see much point to hope—not that I think it’s particularly harmful or anything, either. It just feels like one of those deeply emotional, purely human traits. Hope doesn't exactly exist because it's useful or serves some grand purpose, I guess. From what I can gather, it seems to have two different sides to it. There's the positive kind, which is basically just optimism. Then there's this other version—a sort of sad, hollow hope that lacks any actual faith behind it. Now, that first combination—where you have actual faith paired with hope—that’s something I can get behind.
In my experience, expectations are generally pretty lousy—if you can even call them that. I mean, look, there’s this nuance here, I guess... belief and hope have this sort of emotional, soulful component to them, right? They feel like something. But an expectation? That feels strictly like a mental trap—this rigid mindset where you just decide that something *has* to happen for you. It seems like a losing game to me. If you actually get what you were expecting, you don't really gain anything—you’re just back to zero. But if it doesn't happen? Then you're stuck in the negatives, feeling let down and frustrated. It’s a bit of a rigged system, honestly. So, I keep wondering—if it's possible to hold onto belief and maintain hope without falling into that whole expectation pitfall, why wouldn't you? Why would that be a bad thing?
If you ask me, I say go for it—because if there’s even a shred of truth to the idea that belief carries its own kind of energy toward making things happen, then throwing that faith away would just be a mistake, I guess.
I say this as someone who mostly navigates life through faith, and honestly, I haven't had much reason to doubt it yet. When you have that kind of deep-seated conviction, you get this sense of being absolutely unstoppable... and when a critical moment actually hits, it shows up as this genuine sense of satisfaction, or just pure happiness; like having the sun shining right inside you.
Psychology has actually looked into this quite a bit. I recall reading about a study involving college students where they tracked them from their university days well into their professional lives. The results were pretty clear: the group that had a concrete, positive vision of their future—basically a mental blueprint of what they wanted to achieve—and actually believed they could pull it off, consistently outperformed the group that was just drifting along without a plan. Having that sense of purpose and self-belief makes a massive difference in how much you actually accomplish.
You’ve got another example you can demonstrate for yourself—assuming you’re young enough to pull it off. If not, I guess you'll just have to rely on your memory. 😁Try this little experiment: go up to a girl with total, unshakable confidence like you already know it’s going to work. Then, go a second time with someone else, but this time, carry none of that certainty—just walk up hesitant and unsure. You'll see pretty quickly that if you actually believe in yourself, things click. If you don't, you're going to get shut down. Confidence is everything; believing in yourself makes all the difference.
I don't really see much point to hope. It’s not like I think it’s doing any actual damage, either—it just feels like one of those purely emotional, human quirks. Hope doesn't serve a practical purpose or get anything done; it’s not a tool for efficiency. From where I stand, it seems to have two distinct sides. On one hand, you have that positive version, which is basically just optimism. Then there’s the sad version—hope without any actual faith behind it. Personally, I’m fine with the first combination: when you have both faith and hope working together.
In my experience, expectations are pretty much a recipe for disappointment. Here’s why: belief and hope carry this beautiful, emotional weight to them, but expectation is purely a mental trap. It’s that rigid mindset where you decide you *must* have something specific happen. That’s a losing game. If you actually get what you expected, you don't really gain anything new—you just feel satisfied for a second. But if it doesn't work out? You're left feeling like you've lost something. If we can tap into that sense of hope and belief without tethering ourselves to those heavy expectations, why wouldn't we?
As far as I'm concerned, it’s a win-win. If there’s any truth to the idea that belief carries its own energy toward manifestation, then throwing faith away would be a massive mistake.
I say this as someone who pretty much lives by faith—and honestly, I haven't had a single bad experience with it. When you have that kind of unwavering conviction, you feel invincible. In those make-or-break moments, it shows up as pure satisfaction and a genuine sense of bliss; it’s like having the sun shining inside you.
jademarlin26 said:How does one intuit without thought? And what use is an intuition that only reveals itself after the fact? You could simply call that luck.
darkstag4 said:Since we're already talking about Vitamin C...
How much Vitamin C is actually enough for someone hitting the gym hard? I’m thinking somewhere in the 1.5 to 2 gram range—does that sound right? Also, what’s the best way to dose it? Should I spread those doses out across the entire day, or is there a better strategy? Like, should I take some in the morning to manage cortisol, some around my workout, and maybe a bit before bed?
Honestly, I was having such a hard time getting out of bed lately. I’d be dragging myself up every morning because I just couldn't get enough sleep—even ten hours felt like nothing. But then I started taking some Vitamin C in the evening, and man, by 7 or 8 the next morning, I’m feeling like a tiger. 😁
dustyraven26 said:I agree 🙂.
However, it is worth noting that an individual who relies solely on their own knowledge tends to be unable to tolerate uncertainty, which inevitably drives them toward a hasty conclusion or a convenient answer—some sort of belief or hope used merely to settle their nerves. Such a person becomes prone to prefabricated solutions, unaware that this habit turns them into a spiritual "living dead," someone whose life is improved only in a purely material sense by constantly seeking comfort and fleeing from discomfort.
On the other hand, intuition represents our true reality, yet its profound power remains stifled and unconscious, drowned out by the relentless noise of active thought.
Therefore, while asking an author or speaker for clarification is useful, it shouldn't be done out of a desperate need for a quick answer, but rather as a way to confirm the insights a reader or listener has already reached through a quieted mind.
Donna Martin76 said:Just one quick question. 🙂
Can you actually feel muscle soreness if you don't hit your protein goals after a workout?😕
dustyraven26 said:While it may not be directly relevant to the current topic, I feel compelled to point out something that people seem to overlook in their self-contained way of operating—something that deserves far more attention than it currently receives.
It really comes down to the words themselves.
Words function as symbols through which a writer or speaker attempts to convey a specific argument to their audience.
An individual relies upon their own accumulated knowledge, drawing from the words they have read or heard to construct their own unique interpretation.
This creates a scenario where genuine communication between individuals becomes incredibly strained, if not entirely impossible. Even in cases of simple misunderstanding, the listener often walks away feeling as though they are being coerced, while the speaker is left with the distinct impression that their perspective is being dismissed.
A person who lacks that particular awareness will likely remain oblivious to the fact that they have fundamentally misconstrued the speaker's intent, especially when their conclusions are drawn from a place of hasty or superficial reasoning.
It is therefore prudent for any reader or listener to pause and consider, before jumping to a conclusion, whether their interpretation actually aligns with what the author or speaker intended to convey.
Susan Price30 said:Anthony Perez9 Asks:
Of course it isn't. 🙂
A man is truly dead when he allows ancient scriptures or a catechism to dictate his hopes for salvation in the afterlife. He may be physically present, but he isn't truly living this life; his mind is perpetually lost in expectations that exist entirely outside of reality.
There is nothing more significant than what we face right here and now. The only real question is how much of our lives we actually spend in this moment, rather than being somewhere else entirely. 😉
By the way, Anthony Perez9, if I haven't mentioned this yet—there isn't any star wars going on in this meadow. We all just live in peace, looking out for one another like we're in some actual hippie commune.😉😁
Self-confidence—is it just believing in oneself, or does it necessarily preclude believing in something greater? 😁
A self-centered ego trip? That’s really not the same thing as having actual self-confidence.
External factors play the largest role in shaping one's self-confidence. If an individual feels truly competent—meaning they possess sufficient knowledge or have enough experience in similar situations—one could say they are confident within that specific field or area of life.
You could essentially be a highly confident gardener and a world-class expert on flowers and evergreens.🍿 Don't be the last one to step up when it comes to flirting and small talk with a girl you actually like.
Self-esteem matters more than mere self-confidence. In terms of true well-being, isn't a sense of self-worth far more vital? Values.It is much harder to cultivate genuine self-confidence than it is to simply project an illusion of it.
And likewise, where does this idea come from—whether it’s yours, Anthony Perez9’s, or anyone else’s—that belief in God is merely a byproduct of lacking faith in science? I am still here.Is it a matter of free will, or are we just puppets dancing for some Big Bad Wolf—a version of God that seems to be just waiting for an excuse to punish us?
I would argue the exact opposite. Someone who possesses genuine self-trust will find it much easier to extend that same trust toward God or toward their fellow man. It is important to remember that God works through our connection with others—which, fundamentally, relies on that mutual foundation of love and trust between humanity and the Divine.
On a related note, isn't it true that certain studies suggest people who struggle with authority figures—or perhaps those with complicated relationships with their earthly fathers—tend to have difficulty perceiving God the Father accurately? They often develop a distorted view of Him, which inevitably fails to align with the truth revealed in the Bible regarding His actual nature and His will for us.
Matthew Anderson4 said:Total peasants, heels over socks 🙄
🤣🙏Ronald Brooks75 said:I have to admit, this is news to me. I always assumed the kit was meant to represent a ship's sail on the ocean.