Posts by Brenda Gonzalez12

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

That’s exactly how I see the whole situation. An alternative perspective is really just a viewpoint built on extra layers of information that go beyond a strictly scientific—meaning very conservative and hyper-rational—approach. But let me ask you this: if someone came up to you and said, "Hey, if you want to fix your thinning hair, you need to gather birch leaves, dry them out, grind them into a powder, and sprinkle them all over your scalp three times a day right after breakfast," would you actually listen? Or would you tell them they're talking nonsense and dismiss it as just "another one of those weird methods"? Honestly, I think even you would call that person out for being totally delusional. And that’s exactly how I feel about the topics I write about here. I mean, some people will literally post something so absurd it makes my head spin—like claiming you can pour molten steel at 2,200°F into a wooden mold to create a massive 2x1x1 meter block. If they’re that confident, they should just head down to the local cemetery, grab a wooden casket, and try pouring liquid steel into it (even though the temperature is technically lower!). Let's see how that reaction turns out!
If he’d just used even one percent of his brainpower, he’d be talking about using a stone mold or maybe a metal one—anything besides that wooden setup. But honestly, the second you point out how ridiculous the idea is, he acts like you’ve personally insulted him!

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

Look, at the end of the day, an exchange of ideas is everything. It’s the whole point! But let me ask you this: isn't an opinion actually built on something? You need a stance, a solid argument, or some actual knowledge to back it up. If all you're doing is tossing out random YouTube links—especially when those very videos end up contradicting exactly what you're claiming—then what are we even doing here? It just doesn't add up!

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

I actually know of a guy who learned this lesson the hard way—not even on Reddit, but on some other corner of the internet. This dude used to spend all his time posting absolute nonsense online, acting like a total tough guy and constantly bragging about "what he would do" if anyone ever crossed him. Well, the universe eventually called his bluff. One day, a group of guys actually showed up at his front door to settle things, and let me tell you, he folded faster than a lawn chair. He went from being an internet warrior to a complete wreck in seconds. After that, he ended up taking a few legal hits, served a few months in jail, and honestly? He’s been quiet as a mouse ever since. Sometimes life has a funny way of teaching you how to behave!
Don't go thinking that people aren't cross-referencing posts here just like they do on other sites! I mean, they probably are, but honestly, nobody seems to care until some massive "incident" happens—you know, like when someone like Pero from Reddit starts telling everyone to jump ship to a specific platform or service, and then everything goes sideways. Only then does everyone suddenly wake up and start reacting. It’s always the same story... "Oops, my bad!" But hey, that’s just how it works. At the end of the day, you own what you say. That's pretty much the golden rule of democracy, right?

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

Look, choosing an alternative path was never illegal, and honestly, it never has been. At the end of the day, people should have the freedom to decide for themselves whether they want to read up on certain topics or take some helpful advice. But here’s the thing: calling doctors murderers or insulting scientists—people who spend literal decades studying their craft—just because they don't align with some "no-name random guy" popping up on a random Reddit thread or a sketchy website? That's where it gets messy. When people start attacking everything in existence just because they claim "there are other perspectives," they actually create the very stigma that pushes useful information to the fringes. It’s those exact attitudes that make legitimate ideas look "radical." Personally? I’m all for total liberalization. Let people decide.
Look, you don't have to vaccinate your kids if you don't want to. It's your call. But let’s be real: if you go that route, your child isn't going to be stepping foot in a public daycare, a state school, or a university. The rule is pretty straightforward. You choose. If you want to live off nothing but "solar energy," hey, go for it! Just don't expect society to bend around your schedule. If you decide your diet should consist strictly of tree roots, grass, metal scraps, lightbulbs, plastic, or snow—fine, be my guest—but please, don't come crying to me when you can't meet certain standards later on. If you're eating eight times a day just to stay upright, or if you're running to the restroom fifteen times a day because you lack basic energy after 1:00 PM, well, that's your problem, man. The system doesn't adapt to you; you adapt to the system. Personally, I’m all for freedom of choice. Everyone should have the right to live how they want, but there shouldn't be any whining afterward about how things "should" have been different. And let’s keep this civil, okay? No insults. Honestly, I have never once insulted a vegetarian in my entire life. I actually hang out with a whole circle of people who follow that lifestyle. However, if one of those people looks me in the eye, calls me a murderer, and starts showing me videos of animals being slaughtered, then yeah, I’m going to call them an idiot. Short and sweet. That's just how it is.

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

Then you clearly don't know what spam actually means! If someone is just dropping links without any context, providing zero explanation for why they're even posting them, and nobody is responding—or even bothering to reply because there’s honestly nothing worth engaging with—then that isn't spam. It's just pointless. You can't call it flooding a thread when someone posts half a page of fluff that ultimately says absolutely nothing at all.

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

Look, if you manage to actually elaborate on a point, back it up with solid arguments, and spark a debate using actual data rather than just saying "I believe," nobody is going to ban you.
But if you start claiming water is a sentient being without providing a single coherent reason... well, I think even you would pull the trigger on a ban there.

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

I'm not saying we need a moderator specifically for the scientific side—nobody's suggesting that—but having a moderator who views the "alternative" stuff through a more scientific lens? Absolutely. It sounds to me like your negative reaction to that idea is really just personal beef with BatKol. He was known for being pretty sharp when cutting down certain "advice" posted in threads, insisting on arguments or evidence for "claims," and honestly, I'm not surprised you feel this way.
Truthfully, if you have a PDF full of stuff that's on the edge of science, then that kind of moderator is exactly what we need. We want to stay on the edge of SCIENCE, not cross over the edge of common sense.
That isn't obstructionism; it's maintaining boundaries. If we're talking about the pyramids in Egypt, we don't want someone rambling about flying octahedrons (when they probably don't even know what an octahedron is), or claiming that when we talk about water, we're talking about the spiritual essence of the molecule. Alternative theory, as I've told you before, should be an upgrade to science, but it needs to be grounded. Something that can actually be described. Argued.

Elizabeth Jackson said:I honestly think we’re going to have a hard time making any real progress if we keep going like this. If you feel entitled to constantly dismissiveley label someone else's points as "nonsensical," then I suppose everyone else has that same right when it comes to critiquing yours. It's only fair, really.
And just like that, we find ourselves spinning in circles again. At this rate, I suppose we could keep running in place for another twenty years before anything actually changes.
Look, I’m just trying to get you to understand that... The whole point of this forum is to provide a space where we can actually sit down, hash things out, and exchange ideas.
I’d suggest taking some time to actually read through the rules. If you find yourself disagreeing with something or if there's an issue you can't get past, maybe just reach out to the administrator directly to get it sorted out.

Of course they’ll deliver. Honestly, just look—they're already on their way. 🙂
By the way, it’s going to be pretty much impossible for them to provide any personal details, mainly because nobody on this Reddit thread has actually shared any. 🐔
If you provide an IP address along with any similar data—which, let’s be honest, anyone with even a modicum of tech savvy could easily mask anyway—then the authorities might actually show up at your door, provided they have legitimate cause and sufficient evidence to justify it.
A They just don't have them. Because, honestly, if things were going to happen, they probably would have happened by now..
I don't believe there's a single precedent for this in the history of the Reddit community.
Or perhaps you have one in mind?

There are certain staff members on Reddit who handle those kinds of concerns.
I suppose if it were to happen... Is this actually a criminal offense, or just something that falls under civil law?I mean, honestly, wouldn't these kinds of threads—and frankly, subforums like this one—not even exist if they hadn't been permitted from the very beginning? It feels like we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the rules hadn't allowed it in the first place, right?
That would imply that the moderators, supermoderators, and administrators themselves... Right from the get-go, they are flagrantly violating US Law in ways that are honestly hard to even put into words.
Or maybe it's just you. I suppose I should just stand my ground on this one. Who is it that, among all the moderators, supermods, and even the admins themselves, manages to spot something that everyone else seems to have completely missed?

I honestly wouldn't even bother getting involved in that. I haven't come across any information like that before, and frankly, I don't think it's really my cup of tea either.
I’ve noticed a few rather naive, dim-witted clones popping up lately. I went ahead and reported them, and they’ve since been banned—specifically in those threads regarding cancer treatments and raw food diets. And then, to top it all off, my own follower, Biljka112, actually had the nerve to accuse me of running a clone myself just the other day. 🎉

Whether people choose to put him on ignore is really just their prerogative as users here—it’s a personal matter and part of their right to manage their own experience on the platform.
I suppose I have three of them myself.
Regarding everything else, I’m not a moderator. And frankly, neither are you.

Look, I’m not trying to spam here. If he encounters people whose arguments just don't make any sense to him, why shouldn't he just hit the ignore button? He should be free to write whatever he wants, provided he isn't breaking the site rules or US Law. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.

She made a perfectly valid point, actually. 👍
Let’s be realistic here—you can't even bring up an alternative on the platform without risking getting hit with a partial ban. Right away..
Well, there you have it. It seems like they’re handing out those 100-point cards just because... well, I guess it's just how things work now. It feels a bit arbitrary, doesn't it? Maybe there's some logic behind it that I'm missing, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just giving them away. Bullying.So, what exactly are we talking about here?Which rule exactly is being violated here?

Where does he get the authority to justify a penalty that massive? We’re talking about a 100-point deduction here, and it feels like there was a very clear, deliberate intention to ensure the user gets banned immediately.

And to me and the rest of the folks on the forum, Biljka112. Well, 100 X just went ahead and called us all mindless and foolish, and honestly? He doesn't get a single thing in return for that attitude.
If this alternative sub ever adopted rules like these and had moderators this strict, I’d give you one shot at guessing how long the trolls and the skeptics would actually last—those people who don't contribute a single constructive thought to the sub and are clearly just here to attack everything we stand for?
Let's be honest here—what do you think their shelf life would be if even minor nonsense (based on a mod's subjective call, of course) resulted in an actual ban?

I’m having a hard time grasping why the alternative sub would need a moderator specifically for the "scientific" portion?
Maybe it's because someone is constantly trolling and obstructing the sub as we speak?
Given the premise (that science and alternative views complement each other), then wouldn't the science section also need an "alternative" moderator, right? ☕

I agree that the rules should be identical for everyone and strictly applied. 🙂

I agree. I deal with this myself regarding Biljka112, and I’ve dealt with it with others who ended up on my ignore list.
It's literally every single post I make that gets countered by the same four or five repetitive phrases they've either memorized or been told to parrot. They negate everything I write, yet never provide a single shred of reasoning. 🤷
In my opinion, after a few posts like that, it's clear they're just being irrational. I'd say kick them out and be done with it for good.
All problems solved.

I second that, though I suspect we’re both thinking of entirely different people. 😁

👍

The "one-size-fits-all" solutions you're proposing could very well be the fate of many others, which is exactly why we had this discussion about moderation in the first place. There are people who are constructive, people who are occasionally constructive, and people who just have different opinions. But then there are those who are purely destructive and write posts that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand; they just exist to act out their fixations on certain people or things. When they get the chance, they go for it. Now, I'm not getting in the middle of the fight between you and Biljka112. The guy has real knowledge; he writes brilliant posts on other topics and gives great advice. In fact, I've personally copied some of the things you wrote here and saved them as helpful tips. But I really think that if you two could just lower the tension a bit and stop being so allergic to one another, it would help. Because some of his comments actually hold weight. Some don't... but hey, that's between the two of you.
So... let's keep things fair and square for everyone, strictly by the book!

So, when exactly does the rulebook start being applied consistently across the board? I mean, when does every single ad hominem attack, troll, off-topic rant, or spammy post actually get treated with the same level of discipline?
It should be just like how we handle people posting total nonsense or dropping the same link to the same video ten times in a row.

I mean, if you look at the rules, there’s even stuff about "playing dumb." So, what’s the plan for handling that kind of thing?

FORUM RULES

Look, based on these guidelines, you basically just checked off boxes 4, 11, 12, 13, and 15 all at once with that last post... and now you're sitting there waiting for everyone to jump on you.

It’s pretty funny how you—someone who hasn't said a word here in almost two years—are suddenly waking up from your slumber out of nowhere...
Did you happen to stumble upon some clone profile that hit a nerve?

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Look, by that logic, it isn't insulting to call someone ignorant either (after all, nobody knows everything, right?).
But if there is a general body of knowledge that is well-known—where phenomena have been researched, documented, verified, and confirmed by people who have dedicated years to studying them—and then some random person from a forum shows up and starts posting YouTube videos from some pseudo-experts (you just have to do a little digging on the person to see the truth) claiming that things are being covered up... what do you call that person? First off, they aren't an expert themselves (if they were, they'd be presenting their own data instead of a YouTube clip). Second, we all know how easy it is to make money from a certain number of likes on YouTube. Third, these YouTube personalities usually use the story to sell their books, organized trips, or lectures. But our friend here, who swallows all of this without a second thought, will come here to an online forum to argue and insist that these are all conspiracies orchestrated by "someone" against "something," even though they don't actually understand the first thing about either! That person really is a conspiracy theorist (because they lack any practical experience) who has basically manufactured their own conspiracy based on half-truths.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Of course I do! I have my own perspective, my own opinions, and (if you'll allow me) perhaps even some knowledge, facts, and arguments that debunk the "success rate" of 6 out of 23 patients claimed by some self-proclaimed expert from XYZ, who can't even be found on any legitimate professional registry.
I'm not exactly old, but I certainly remember some of our local "experts" (herbalists) who failed miserably after being hailed as absolute authorities (like d. Plečko, for example).

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

So, let’s talk about this whole situation regarding the new US Law. Honestly, I feel like I need to sit down and really dive into this one because there is so much to unpack! And we aren't just talking about a little misdemeanor here, either. If all the specific legal criteria are met, this actually qualifies as a felony, which carries the heavy weight of several years in federal prison.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Look, you aren't living in a total dictatorship, but you aren't exactly living in total anarchy either where you can just say whatever random nonsense pops into your head without consequence. At its core, the whole foundation of democracy is built on freedom of speech, but... Just putting my own neck on the line here! It honestly feels like everyone is just skipping right over this and completely forgetting about it! ☕

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Exactly! Honestly, Reddit isn't some kind of shield for people spewing nonsense or trying to egg others on to commit actual crimes. If someone is out there breaking the law, this platform will absolutely hand over any personal info to the proper authorities. Seriously, if you take a second to actually look up how US Law works, you’ll see everything is perfectly above board. Plus, if you check the general rules, it's pretty clearly stated that posting anything that constitutes a criminal offense is strictly prohibited, right?

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Ignoring them just doesn't work when you're dealing with people who openly brag about using multiple accounts to post. Honestly, that’s like trying to spin a saw blade the wrong way—it’s completely backwards! This is exactly why we have moderators in the first place. They should be cleaning up those fake sign-ups from the jump and making sure everyone actually respects the rules. If someone keeps breaking them, they should just get a permanent ban and be done with it. Simple as that. But here? It’s a joke. This guy is basically just replying to himself, and even after being reported, they only end up deleting three of his posts. They give him a temporary "clone account" suspension, and what does he do? He just keeps right on typing...
So, let's talk about the elephant in the room—the guy who actually prompted this whole discussion. I was looking back at his history, and it’s honestly wild: out of nearly 5,000 posts, more than 4,000 of them are just straight-up trolling, spamming, going off-topic, or being outright rude. And he does it across pretty much every single subject you can imagine! The craziest part? It feels like nobody is doing anything to stop it. He basically hijacks every thread he touches, turning the conversation toward himself or just derailing it entirely. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely other people who act like this too, but he is the absolute extreme case. Honestly, if we wanted to get these boards back to normal and actually keep things on-topic, we’d probably need to go in and wipe away his last 2,000 posts just to clear the air. It's getting a bit ridiculous!

Honestly, even hitting that "ignore" button doesn't really solve the problem. You see this classic pattern all the time in threads about stuff like archaeology or global warming. Take Noah Diaz, for example—he probably has over 40 people on his ignore list by now. He’s basically been running this weird little one-man show for years, just dropping links to articles that completely contradict the very point he's trying to make right in the headline and summary! But here's the kicker: since almost nobody actually responds to him (or maybe they just pretend they didn't see it, which might be a psychological defense mechanism at this point!), he just keeps posting and posting. No commentary, no actual discussion, no back-and-forth... nothing. How else are you supposed to describe it besides straight-up spamming?
And so on, and so forth... Just the same old story, over and over again!

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

When the people who are actually supposed to be handling this don't step up, I guess the fallout just lands right here instead. Honestly, it’s becoming pretty obvious that I'm not just being hyper-focused on one specific person; the exact same pattern keeps popping up across all sorts of different threads—even in topics where I haven't even posted once! It’s the same story, over and over again, involving the same individual.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

And that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. It’s a bummer, honestly.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Unfortunately, a huge chunk of the current mess actually started with her, because she basically gave a free pass to people being rude and insulting others, acting like it was all just one big joke. She even managed to dodge criticism by claiming this section is just for "alternative" views anyway, and if anyone wants to talk strictly scientific stuff, they should just head over to the mainstream science boards.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Right now, we honestly just need any decent moderator to step in, sweep the place clean, and get everything following the rules again. After that, we should probably have two: one for the science side and one for the alternative side. You really can't have one without the other. Real "alternative" thought should be an extension of science, not something completely detached from it. Without science, there's no alternative, and vice versa.
Plus, you've got those pseudo-alternative types who act like they could pour granite into wooden molds or try to drill through ancient Egypt using nothing but a handheld power drill and a screwdriver.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

If anyone finds a post where I'm rambling off-topic without any actual arguments, I have absolutely no problem with them deleting my post or issuing a sanction. But that goes for everyone, equally. And I truly believe I stick to topics I actually know something about or have studied. Even when people claim certain things are "impossible," it’s usually not that hard to explain—even in very simple terms. The issue arises when people just flat-out say "it's not like that" without providing a single argument. Okay, fine, but *how* is it different then? They never have an answer. And that's where the whole thing falls apart.

Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷

I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.

Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
All posts represent the opinions of their authors, not the owners of the Forum, the editorial staff, or Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (the creators of the vBulletin software). They cannot be held responsible for the content. The Forum staff works to sanction prohibited posts, though some may be overlooked or missed initially. We ask for your understanding, and if you wish to help, you are free to report any post you believe violates the rules by clicking the report icon.
...and finally, it states:
By agreeing to these rules, you may proceed with registration. If they are unacceptable to you and you do not wish to abide by them, you can return to the Forum homepage by clicking this link. Thank you for your attention, and we hope you enjoy your stay on the Forum!

There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.

I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.

On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.

Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.

I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.

Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...

Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂

Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...

We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁

I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.

That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂

Honestly, I’d much rather read five high-quality posts a day than sift through 500 pieces of absolute garbage scattered everywhere—especially when you end up skipping over something genuinely great just because some idiot decided to vent their frustrations on the internet.

Elizabeth Jackson said:Actually, that wasn't an inaccurate quote at all; it was entirely spot on. 🙂
It seems there's such a palpable, cutting level of animosity toward one particular member here—it’s almost thick enough to touch—and you all seem hell-bent on turning this entire thread into a coordinated effort to lynch and persecute them.

Honestly, it’s pretty uncalled for.
Just let the moderators handle things. If you see a post that breaks the rules, use the report button and move on.
If you genuinely believe the moderation team isn't doing their job effectively, you know how the process works; feel free to take it up with them directly if you can actually manage to be civil about it.

By acting like this, you're really just souring everyone else's perception of who you people are.

I see things completely differently! For me, this Forum is just a great place to swap ideas on just about anything. It’s where I pick up interesting tidbits I never knew before, and occasionally, I get to jump in and share what I know on certain topics. I don't view it as my whole life, nor is it some venting ground for frustrations or a stage where I feel like I have to prove myself to anyone. If you want to listen and read, that's awesome—if not, no big deal!
Look, I am absolutely not going to sit here and let some random nobody hiding behind a screen name barge into a conversation just to throw insults at someone else. Honestly, when someone storms into a discussion like a wrecking ball of pure vitriol, it’s a dead giveaway that they lack basic manners. It usually stems from deep-seated frustrations that manifest as this bizarre, over-the-top arrogance and sheer rudeness. The whole point of a healthy debate—you know, where you and I hash things out using logic and evidence to see which side holds more weight—is so that we both walk away having learned something new. That's how a real conversation works! But if some jerk jumps in and starts calling you a stoner or a hypochondriac, and then turns around and calls me some pseudo-scientific dogmatist who doesn't know a thing about the topic... well, at first, you just ignore them or tell them to get lost. But what happens when they keep posting? What happens when they start dragging the entire discussion off into ten different, irrelevant directions? That's when it becomes a real problem.
That’s exactly why that guy gets under my skin! Look, if he wants to write posts that actually stay on topic, jump into discussions, and just be cool with everyone, then fine—no complaints from me. But this habit of jumping from thread to thread just to tell people, "You're an idiot," or "You have no clue what you're talking about," or "Here's why you're wrong"... honestly, sorry, but I just can't stand it. It's exhausting!

Elizabeth Jackson said:Actually, that wasn't an inaccurate quote at all; it was entirely spot on. 🙂
It seems there's such a palpable, cutting level of animosity toward one particular member here—it’s almost thick enough to touch—and you all seem hell-bent on turning this entire thread into a coordinated effort to lynch and persecute them.

Honestly, it’s pretty uncalled for.
Just let the moderators handle things. If you see a post that breaks the rules, use the report button and move on.
If you genuinely believe the moderation team isn't doing their job effectively, you know how the process works; feel free to take it up with them directly if you can actually manage to be civil about it.

By acting like this, you're really just souring everyone else's perception of who you people are.

Well, here we go! It’s been about twenty days since our moderator, Behemoth, went MIA, and with BatKol gone too, the whole place feels like a ghost town. Seriously, nobody—and I mean absolutely nobody—is responding to posts or even checking the report tickets. That’s exactly why I decided to dump all this into this thread; I was holding out hope that maybe one of the admins or supermods would pop in and actually address things. But nope, total radio silence. So, if this is turning into a free-for-all, then fine—let's dance! If we're going to trade insults, let's just get it over with, and if people want to start flame wars in different threads, then so be it. The real kicker, though, is the blatant double standard happening here. Some people are getting a complete pass on breaking the rules, and I’m looking specifically at Jason Grant. It’s honestly ridiculous how much rule-breaking he gets away with. While other users are getting hit with yellow or red cards or having their entire posts nuked, his stuff stays up like nothing happened. The last time I tried to report someone, my own posts were the ones that got deleted, while his remained untouched. And wouldn't you know it, I didn't even get any penalty points for it! So, really, what kind of system are we even talking about here?
Before that, we had Bonecrusher. Honestly, the guy was running a one-man show, posting from two different profiles and basically having full conversations with himself! Back then, there weren't any real sanctions in place—well, maybe just a polite little nudge through the Democrats asking him to cut it out. But if we actually sat down and started digging into who else here might be using multiple accounts... man, we’d probably find all sorts of characters if we really went looking for them!

Honestly, there’s absolutely no hate here. If you look back a year or two, you might remember when LUN used to post on this Forum. Back then, some people were actually claiming that certain folks—myself included—were harboring some kind of grudge against him. But let me tell you, there wasn't a shred of hatred involved. In fact, LUN was someone who truly worked wonders with his posts; he always had something interesting to say. I never once felt even a tiny bit of animosity toward him. He was actually quite a likable guy in his own way, so if he happens to be reading this, I’m sending him my very best wishes! The same goes for rocky007, Vatra, and even Iknar. We all came here to share our thoughts, and sure, we don't always see eye to eye, but from my side, there is zero malice toward anyone. All I really want is for us to respect the community guidelines and keep things civil.

Just wanted to set the record straight here. This isn't about some personal vendetta against him; it’s actually an attempt to put a stop to his constant outbursts, his sheer rudeness, and behavior that frankly wouldn't fly with any sane person.
When three out of every four posts he makes are completely off-topic, and in roughly 80% of his comments he’s just insulting people—not even caring what kind of language he uses—and yet, despite the reports, none of the mods seem to be stepping in... well, my friends...

So, let's call it what it is: this isn't harassment. It's just calling out someone who is constantly wrecking the vibe of the thread and turning everything into a toxic mess.

Jason Grant said:The constant trolling, harassment, bullying, instigating fights, and violating the rules of this American online Forum by Brenda Gonzalez12, over on the Alternative board, is basically just a continuous downward spiral.
1. "Maybe HAARP finally fried your brain cells, and where's your mom's other nipple while you're busy breaking the rules, you little brat?"

2. "He just schooled you, you ignorant loser, right after waking up from one of your pathetic, self-indulgent wet dreams."

3. "..and hey, it's almost Carnival season, maybe I'll hire you for a gig."

4. "It ended up making you look like a complete wimp.
You're like a tiny, helpless ant
You didn't come out looking like an eagle; more like a bedraggled turkey strutting around trying to act tough."

5. Just another nonsensical rambling from our friend Noah Diaz, who clearly CANNOT read a thread title before typing out his beautiful idiocy. I won't even bother commenting, unless it's to point out how idiotic this is...

6. "Just staring blankly at the screen like some old geezer shouting at nothing—empty-headed ignoramuses and school dropouts..."

7. "Iormas, you're lying!!! You are lying maliciously and corruptly. Now you've finally caught yourself in your own web of lies and delusions, Šupčin, someone who would sell their own mother for pocket change."

-I warned him not to talk to Iormas like that, but he went ahead and did it anyway.
8. "Jason Grant, get the hell out of here."

9. Those demons are possessing you, so you're acting like a cranky old lady trying to kick things just to get your blood pumping."

10. Are you being overly formal now, or are you just a two-faced hypocrite? Because you just pulled that crap on the topic regarding..."

...and so on, and so forth...

Oh Jason... honestly, you just need to let yourself dig your own grave. You're quoting my "statements," but if anyone actually clicks the links, they'll see it's just three sentences buried inside five whole paragraphs of text! You're taking things completely out of context, which honestly just makes you look ridiculous. You've managed to make yourself look desperate and weak by twisting these quotes into something they aren't. In fact, you didn't even get your late-night fabrications right—you actually ended up including compliments by mistake!
Oh Jason, Jason... just calm down and try to focus better next time. I did try to tell you nicely...
Please, feel free to keep posting! Honestly, it’s a win-win: first, it proves you’re actually reading what people write to you (finally!), and second, it lets everyone else see the direct rebuttals to the nonsense, trolling, and constant derailments we deal with every single day.
It starts with you projecting your own blunders onto everyone else (you even did it in your signature!) and goes all the way to the fact that you seem to be picking fights—not having actual discussions, mind you—and insulting people in pretty much every thread on the Alternative board. You’re just a naturally combative guy with limited knowledge who relies on *argumentum ad hominem* and cheap shots to try and sound convincing. And man, do you lose it whenever someone actually shuts you down with cold, hard facts. For some reason, it seems like your behavior is totally tolerated here without any consequences. Your posts don't get flagged, and you never face the kind of moderation the rest of us do immediately.
Keep it coming, Jason Grant... if it helps, I am more than happy to post a highlight reel of your "greatest hits" right here every single day. Just doing it in your honor! 😵😒👎

Anyway, here is what this guy has been "contributing" over the last 48 hours on the global warming thread:

Jason Grant said:Not only am I not your friend, but honestly, you’re clearly hallucinating if you think otherwise. You just don't seem to have any critical thinking skills or an ounce of tolerance for different perspectives.
My arguments actually align perfectly with how the thesis is interpreted, but you aren't even close to being able to challenge my affirmative points. Your comments aren't even related to the topic—they're just low-level and totally pointless (honestly, kind of moronic). I'm saying you aren't even in the ballpark, which basically places you in the category of someone who isn't just an irrelevant conversationalist, but actually incapable, uninterested, and uneducated: coffee:

Jason Grant said:Aside from the fact that you've clearly proven you're incapable of communicating an actual argument, now you're showing everyone how much you love to lie.
See, on the flat earth thread—since the flat-earthers are out in full force there (like some crazy group in a small town)—I try to encourage them to be tolerant and respect different viewpoints, and to help both sides develop better analytical thinking skills.
In all honesty, maybe you aren't even lying; maybe you're just too limited to realize it, goodness, what are you going to teach your own kid?
Furthermore, regarding that topic, my main goal is to challenge the affirmative interpretation of dogmatic theses held by the indoctrinated, provided I feel it isn't reasonable.
I'm certain you haven't grasped anything yet, but hey, take it slow, don't get all worked up, and just try using some actual knowledge instead.☕

Jason Grant said:So, read the whole article first, and then give me your opinion once you've had a chance to rest.
Of course, the topic is controversial; plenty of academics say one thing, while others say another. But it doesn't matter. That's why you're here—to explain which ones are wrong and which ones are right, all while inflating your own ego along the way. 👋

Jason Grant said:Brenda Gonzalez12, your attempt to wrap your head around this fell flat, and honestly, your attempt at a coherent explanation didn't exactly land either.
Also, maybe dial back the urge to label me? It’s getting a little intense—you're practically foaming at the mouth here!
Once you've had a chance to cool off, try picking up a book; it might help you avoid rambling about nonsense in the future.
Sadly, Brenda Gonzalez12, you're coming across like someone who just tumbled off a runaway Amtrak train.☕

Jason Grant said:Brenda Gonzalez12, with this "conversation" of yours, you're basically turning yourself into a factory for bile and foam. I'm genuinely worried you might end up with an ulcer or something worse!

so, regarding the thread on HAARP

Jason Grant said:Okay, so what exactly is that statement supposed to represent?
Something profound or clever, perhaps? khm

Jason Grant said:...
Come on, trolls, bring on the ad hominem attacks!

Jason Grant said:Look, I'm no genius, but I would be more than happy to explain it all to you.
It boils down to two things: first, you guys aren't ready for an upgrade, and besides, there seems to be no shortage of "genius" idiots around here, so talking to them is pretty much pointless.
And second, it's already been explained in older posts, and even many of the titles mention "high frequency.......ionosphere...

Jason Grant said:just more of that incoherent rambling that's so typical of you. What kind of "immunity"... when we're talking about HAARP.
Honestly, it feels like you aren't even reading the previous posts in this thread! It’s pretty obvious you're just dropping in to troll a little bit.

Jason Grant said:Honestly, you should probably just take all that sarcasm and that intense, old-school political attitude and share it directly with your mom!☕

Honestly, looking through this thread, it’s kind of wild. Out of more than 4,000 posts, at least 3,000 of them are just total nonsense—constant off-topic rambling, personal insults, and people just trolling for the sake of it. And the worst part? It all goes completely unpunished. There isn't a single moderator comment or any actual effort to keep everyone focused on the topic at hand. I can't help but wonder how much longer this is going to be allowed, and why some people get a free pass to act like this!
☕

Jason Grant said:Oh, look who it is. Brenda Gonzalez12, why are you even showing up in the alternative discussion? It’s always the same thing with you—just constant spitting on anything labeled "alternative," despite what Ryan Gomez4 explicitly mentioned about how that isn't the case.
It's a textbook example.
Have you ever actually contributed a single constructive thought to the "living water" thread?
No, Brenda Gonzalez12, you haven't. You just spend your time inflating your own ego and dragging us into off-topic nonsense because your main hobby seems to be picking fights with other users, doesn't it, Brenda Gonzalez12?
Of course it does.
Take the "sun pyramid" thread—once again, not one constructive post from you, just endless bickering and destructive comments designed to tear down every alternative topic we discuss.
So, Brenda Gonzalez12, get off my back, especially with those insults about "upbringing" or "psychopathy"—keep that garbage to yourself. The rest of us aren't obligated to sit through your outbursts that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Go find some random chat room or something and go at it there.

If I break the rules, I'll take my punishment or my ban; that's my business, not yours.
Focus on your own issues instead of obsessing over mine.
Just look at my last post in the "raw food" section of the alternative board; even the other users there are giving me credit.
Picking on people isn't really your strong suit, is it, Brenda Gonzalez12?

I guess you could say my posts basically boil down to me "debunking"—or maybe I should be more polite and call it "correcting with simple facts"—all that nonsense that nobody with even an ounce of common sense would actually label an "alternative perspective." To me, having an alternative view means actually using your head and applying some logic. It’s about engaging your brain, and frankly, using it a whole lot more than most people do, because true alternative thinking requires a level of critical thought that goes way beyond just following the standard crowd. Hey everyone! I was just sitting here thinking—what if we look at this from a different angle? I mean, let's talk about some possible second options or even some totally ALTERNATIVE solutions! If you want to make a point, back it up with an actual argument, a hard fact, or some kind of real evidence. Honestly, all this rambling about water screaming inside radiator pipes, pharaohs flying through liquid metal, nine-pronged crystals made of living water, or those "undiscovered known facts" (yeah, that's definitely your finest moment right there)—none of that counts. It’s not an alternative to reality; it’s just pure nonsense.
Look, I really think Ryan Gomez4 can still offer a totally different perspective on these topics over at the Alternative board. Even just acting as a regular user like the rest of us, he’s got that ability to look at things from a unique angle!
Look, let’s be real here—as a moderator, she doesn't have a free pass to act however she wants. Her role is pretty straightforward: manage the threads and actually stick to the forum and sub-forum rules just like the rest of us do. And honestly? She does that. Most of the time, she’s actually being way too lenient with certain discussions. But there comes a point where it becomes an issue. When someone is consistently, post after post, ignoring thread titles, tossing around insults, and just being straight-up disrespectful to people... well, if those reports are being ignored or if she isn't stepping in herself, then someone needs to give her a heads-up. It’s just common sense! Now, don't get me wrong—I totally get how this works, and I’m definitely not out to get her or judge her. I don't have anything against her personally, nor do I have any beef with her performance as a moderator. I just think we need to keep things on track!

Do I have any constructive posts on those topics? Honestly, who knows! Maybe I do, maybe I don't. I definitely have plenty of them, especially when it comes to discussions about the sun pyramid. But man, those threads always turn into a free-for-all where people start arguing about absolutely everything under the sun. Then, out of nowhere, someone like you swoops in and completely derails the whole conversation with all that negativity and insults. Suddenly, instead of actually talking about anything meaningful, we’re stuck spending the next twenty pages just dealing with you and trying to respond to your nonsense!

Jason Grant said:Oh, look who it is. Brenda Gonzalez12, why are you even showing up in the alternative discussion? It’s always the same thing with you—just constant spitting on anything labeled "alternative," despite what Ryan Gomez4 explicitly mentioned about how that isn't the case.
It's a textbook example.
Have you ever actually contributed a single constructive thought to the "living water" thread?
No, Brenda Gonzalez12, you haven't. You just spend your time inflating your own ego and dragging us into off-topic nonsense because your main hobby seems to be picking fights with other users, doesn't it, Brenda Gonzalez12?
Of course it does.
Take the "sun pyramid" thread—once again, not one constructive post from you, just endless bickering and destructive comments designed to tear down every alternative topic we discuss.
So, Brenda Gonzalez12, get off my back, especially with those insults about "upbringing" or "psychopathy"—keep that garbage to yourself. The rest of us aren't obligated to sit through your outbursts that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Go find some random chat room or something and go at it there.

If I break the rules, I'll take my punishment or my ban; that's my business, not yours.
Focus on your own issues instead of obsessing over mine.
Just look at my last post in the "raw food" section of the alternative board; even the other users there are giving me credit.
Picking on people isn't really your strong suit, is it, Brenda Gonzalez12?

Look, I’m going to quote you directly so there’s no confusion later or anyone claiming, "Wait, I didn't say that!" This is about your public reputation, plain and simple. Jason Grant, the aggression you're throwing around—that style where you just insult people and tear them down, or tell others to get lost—is exactly why this was written in the first place. Honestly, if you look at your history, like 80% of your posts follow that exact pattern. If everyone actually stuck to the rules, you wouldn't be getting away with so much half the time! And no, I’m definitely not the only one calling you out. If you take a look around, you'll see someone is constantly "clashing" with you on pretty much every single thread. Someone always finds you annoying, and your response is always the same aggressive comeback. Maybe the common denominator here isn't everyone else, but actually you? Because the people you're fighting with aren't clones of me; they are real individuals who have every right to participate in the discussion within the actual topics. They aren't trolling the threads—which is exactly what you're doing.

Jason Grant said:Oh, look who it is. Brenda Gonzalez12, why are you even showing up in the alternative discussion? It’s always the same thing with you—just constant spitting on anything labeled "alternative," despite what Ryan Gomez4 explicitly mentioned about how that isn't the case.
It's a textbook example.
Have you ever actually contributed a single constructive thought to the "living water" thread?
No, Brenda Gonzalez12, you haven't. You just spend your time inflating your own ego and dragging us into off-topic nonsense because your main hobby seems to be picking fights with other users, doesn't it, Brenda Gonzalez12?
Of course it does.
Take the "sun pyramid" thread—once again, not one constructive post from you, just endless bickering and destructive comments designed to tear down every alternative topic we discuss.
So, Brenda Gonzalez12, get off my back, especially with those insults about "upbringing" or "psychopathy"—keep that garbage to yourself. The rest of us aren't obligated to sit through your outbursts that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Go find some random chat room or something and go at it there.

If I break the rules, I'll take my punishment or my ban; that's my business, not yours.
Focus on your own issues instead of obsessing over mine.
Just look at my last post in the "raw food" section of the alternative board; even the other users there are giving me credit.
Picking on people isn't really your strong suit, is it, Brenda Gonzalez12?

Oh, sure, you mean those folks who claim they can cure cancer just by eating carrots—it’s just that "nobody knows about it yet" because "secret big pharma lobbies" suppressed the science? Or the people posting stuff that basically falls under "practicing medicine without a license"? You know, the ones giving advice to tell people to "ditch their doctor's prescriptions" and switch to some specific diet just because one person out of a thousand survived?
Honestly, thanks, but no thanks. I’ll pass on that kind of praise. Look, I’m not saying there aren't smart people or good advice to be found in those circles, but if *those* kinds of people started singing my praises, I’d actually start getting worried about myself!

Alright, let me say this loud and clear so it doesn't just get lost in the shadows of this forum—we need to make sure we don't lose Jason Grant's incredible contributions to our discussions! Do the moderators honestly believe that the only way to deal with someone being completely out of line is to report every single post? It feels like they're just trying to lecture some totally unhinged individual (honestly, I'm not even sure what you call someone who writes stuff like this) to tell them how to behave. This isn't just a lack of manners; it's straight-up psychological warfare.

His "contributions" over the last 24 hours:

Thread: The Earth is a Flat Disc:

Thread: Landing on the moon:

Thread: sun pyramid:

Thread: living water.

Is there a single thread where this guy actually offers a reasoned argument, stays on topic, or even follows the basic rules of the forum? Or should everyone else just pack up and leave so he can have his own little space to rant whatever he wants?

Ryan Gomez4 said:Just because a post gets deleted doesn't mean the user isn't being blacklisted. The rules apply to everyone equally, and for the last time, stop replying to rule-breaking posts—just hit the report button.

I'm not lurking on this forum 24/7. I spend maybe an hour a day here at most, and honestly, I'd rather spend even less.

I totally get that you aren't! Honestly, it’s only natural to have a life outside of this forum, and I actually really empathize with you on that front. You’ve gotta have your own space, right? And seriously, props to you for even wanting to take this on—it’s definitely no easy task!
Honestly, the whole issue with people not replying to posts is that if you aren't actually engaging, you might as well just step away from the forum entirely. It’s a slippery slope—once one person starts drifting off-topic, then the second and third follow suit, and suddenly the whole thread turns into a joke. Before you know it, the original topic is completely lost, and there’s zero incentive left for anyone to bother responding. Why even waste your precious time? It's so much easier to just sit back and watch the endless cycle of "post after post" without actually contributing anything meaningful. At the end of the day, it really boils down to a handful of specific characters—obvious trolls who are basically just using this space as a punching bag for their own frustrations. That's really all there is to it!

Out of his roughly 4.4k posts, about 3k follow this exact pattern—even when he’s trying to be direct. Honestly, one of the main reasons I even started this thread was because nobody seemed to care about the formal complaints. And let’s call a spade a spade: this isn't just some "unique personality trait." It’s clearly a total lack of basic manners, fueled by a lot of suppressed aggression and frustration—maybe even something more malicious. But hey... if you take just seven days to scan through a fraction of his posts, you'll get a pretty clear picture of the whole "man and his works." If you're interested, that is. 🍿

Since I’ve sent several follow-ups and reports and absolutely NOBODY—and I mean zero people in charge—is reacting or even replying, I’m just going to lay my cards on the table here: What is actually happening with the moderation over at the Edge of Science subforums? It feels like moderator BAT Kol has basically checked out from moderating entirely, and Hulk just pops in every once in a while.

Regarding the issues we’ve had before, the whole situation was already MENTIONED, but since things played out the way they did (let's not stir the pot and just keep things chill), it looks like the moderators gave a total "green light" to a certain user (the one we've already discussed here) who showed up with nothing but bad intentions. This person has been allowed to completely derail any meaningful discussion within the Edge of Science forums.
The whole point of this area is to host a space where you can expect anything due to its niche nature—ideas that aren't typical for other US message boards, where some people represent alternative views and others stick to scientific ones. But time and time again, this one specific guy (the user bonecrusher, who was already brought up in the NRZ moderation thread) turns everything into an absurdity. He insults people, creates fake accounts to talk to himself without consequence, and trolls threads with his own private nonsense, sometimes even posting while clearly under the influence of alcohol and arguing with himself mid-post! Everyone else trying to have a real conversation—even if just to boost their post count or reply to him—ends up getting sucked into a massive argument with this guy instead.
The absolute peak of this nonsense can be seen in the thread he started himself (the Titanic theme, where he tried to push a theory using two fake photos claiming the Titanic was actually a different ship). He threw out this wild assumption (only to later admit he hadn't even read the book the idea came from!), and after his "theory" was totally debunked, he started claiming he was only on the forum and in that specific thread to hit 1,000 posts before leaving, and that he didn't even care about the topic. And sure enough, in just four months, he racked up about 600 posts, over 400 of which were either completely off-topic or just straight-up "playing dumb."
Despite all the reports, nobody in charge is doing anything about it.
Honestly, when people start posting such nonsense in specific threads, it’s almost better if they don't post at all.
We're talking about claims like using cement, concrete, and rebar to build the Great Pyramid, literal cooking and pouring of granite and limestone in ancient Egypt (with zero evidence provided), treating thought processes as if they were "living organisms," blaming ice rain for the Tunguska explosion, taking photos on the Moon with digital cameras back in 1969, constant trolling via personal/ad hominem attacks against other users, and insulting forum members (some might have missed the subtle jabs in his posts) until every thread becomes a breeding ground for increasingly rude language. Not to mention the notorious habit of quoting text incorrectly... and it just keeps going.

Not a single report gets a response; the posts just sit there, and it’s a struggle to follow these "debates" where there's less and less substance and more and more nothingness.

I really want to know: is there any chance this can be fixed? Can we finally get back to the old style of moderation where we had two moderators—one focusing on the scientific side and the other on the alternative side? We need that balance back, along with the respect for the community rules we used to see on sites like Reddit or other major US forums.
Because right now, this is a total disaster... 🙂👎👎

Ethan Barrett22 said:So, here’s the thing—if you’re talking about someone who’s racked up over 35,000 posts but seems to be getting banned every other second, just imagine how many they would actually have if they weren't constantly getting sidelined! 🤦Honestly, his posts never go beyond a few dozen words—most of the time, they're just a handful of syllables. He’s basically the living, breathing embodiment of exactly what you're talking about! 👍

No, that’s not quite what I meant! I was actually referring to some of the characters mentioned in those other PDFs. To be honest, even though I read through the ones covering alternatives and nutrition—and I have to admit, there are some seriously fantastic pieces in there—that specific subject matter is a bit outside my wheelhouse. Since I don't know nearly enough about it, I usually just sit on the sidelines rather than jumping into the conversation!

Ethan Barrett22 said:The one thing I just can't wrap my head around—and honestly, I don't think anyone else can either—is the idea that... Honestly, I just don't think it’s right to go around labeling anyone's statements like that. It feels totally out of line! Honestly, I feel like we just spend way too much time dwelling on total nonsense!.
You know, I’ve been thinking about this lately—something that some people just never seem to do, while others do it constantly without fail. It’s one of those little things that really makes a difference! 🤔
Honestly, I feel like you’re basically calling that user an idiot anyway—I don't see any real difference between the two!
I mean, let’s be honest here—only a total moron would go around writing absolute nonsense, don't you think?

Absolutely. Look, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but on a forum like this, an opinion only really carries weight if you actually back it up with logic—I think you’ll agree with me there! If someone just digs their heels in on a baseless stance and continues to clutter a thread by constantly inserting their own weird perspective into everyone else's discussions, honestly, what can you even say? They’re being rude, plain and simple, and they're just talking nonsense since they haven't provided a single shred of evidence to support their claims. The absolute peak of absurdity was trying to drag the Borg pyramids into this context (honestly, they could have just as easily brought up E.T., Gremlins, Ninja Turtles, or Krang!). I mean, seriously, how does anyone even wrap their head around connecting that to the topic at hand? Of course, people can believe whatever they want, but does that mean tomorrow in a thread about raw foods, someone is going to start bringing up Smurfs and insisting that cocoons or flies are edible just because "that's how they gather them"? I bet you'd definitely have a reaction to that! At the end of the day, you put so much time and genuine effort into writing meaningful, thoughtful posts, and when some random person starts tossing trash all over them just to pad their post count, it's incredibly frustrating. It's not like I can just expand my ignore list to infinity!

And honestly, what can you even say about someone who needs a phenomenon explained to them at least five different times, only to turn around and ask the exact same question again like they're looking for a direct answer? It’s beyond frustrating! Then, to top it all off, after I report the post, the original question stays right there, while my response—where I point out that we've reached the level of pure stupidity—gets wiped away. Talk about a joke!
So, here’s the rough breakdown of how this usually plays out. This thread spans about seven pages in total. On the first three pages, everyone’s laying out the details and getting into some solid discussions. But then, once you hit page six, you’ll inevitably run into that one person who asks the exact same question all over again and starts getting aggressive about it. Honestly, if they’d just take a second to actually read the previous posts, they’d see we already covered everything they're asking!

Ethan Barrett22 said:Look, if we disagree with someone, we really ought to back it up with actual arguments instead of just being rude and labeling everything nonsense without any proof.
I’m sure you’d agree that if we don't, we aren't acting any better than he is—honestly, we might even be worse, right?

Exactly! But honestly, when the moderators drop the ball, what are you supposed to do? It just turns into this endless cycle of outsmarting one another and diluting the conversation until you either give up or the moderator tells you, "If you have a problem with what's being said here on the alternative board, why don't you head over to the main forum and take it there?" Is that really what a healthy community is supposed to look like?

Ethan Barrett22 said:That's why I think the moderation team is actually doing a pretty decent job overall. Everyone seems to want things tilted in their own favor, trying to silence anyone who thinks differently. It can't be easy to moderate fairly when everyone wants special treatment.
Because of that, I feel like moderator impartiality is the absolute most important factor.
Most of the discussion on the alternative board is fine, but certain parts are a total disaster.

For the most part, the moderation is solid, but lately, there's been this trend of "letting things slide" under the guise of "everyone has a right to say whatever they want." That's exactly why so many threads end up looking the way they do today.

Ethan Barrett22 said:And let's be real here—have you noticed how we're sliding back into bickering just because people have different opinions? People try to drag personal spats and disagreements into these threads, and of course, it never leads anywhere.
This thread was started with a completely different purpose in mind.

I totally agree with that, which is why I don't want to keep commenting on it. Otherwise, we'll just end up nitpicking the moderation instead of sticking to the reason this thread exists in the first place.

Jason Grant said:Hmmmm, hmmm, okay Monty, sure! I guess the moderators are just going to find some little "violations" in your posts, like commenting on the moderation itself?
And you didn't even bother to tell us why your friend got a red card—you mentioned something about innate, total idiocy directed right at our buddy Monty, and then some crazy talk about forcing a straightjacket on a fellow forum member... and get this, Monty!!, all within the thread "flight to the moon"! You’re claiming it wasn't deserved? Oh, please...

In your rush to judge, you totally missed the point. This had nothing to do with Saugar and his red card, which is probably what you were thinking. I was talking about my own red card, for which I actually received 45 points (not 40!), regarding a private message I exchanged with another user while discussing a third person's behavior (Private Reason: Insulting a user by Bat Kol 45).
So, it wasn't public, I didn't say it to anyone's face, and it wasn't in the thread itself; I just took what I would have normally said publicly and put it in a PM. But even PMs are visible and subject to reaction. Meanwhile, calling someone an idiot yesterday earned a yellow card. See? That's the level of consistency in punishment I'm talking about.
So, back off from Monty, calm down, and wait until you actually know what happened before you lose your cool.

Jason Grant said:It's funny how you call for "order," yet you don't seem to notice your own—how should I put this—your little gems, Monty:
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I wonder if you even know who or what the Borg are? And how they came to be?

—where, in a thread about pyramids, you suddenly show such intense interest in... the !! Borg!! ...but wait, the topic is pyramids, Monty!

You know, Jason, if there's any kind of person I can't stand, it's liars and troublemakers like you. People who cherry-pick quotes as "proof" for their claims and troll perfectly normal discussions.

I bet you haven't even read this post:

LLskylights: "The Borg are a technological civilization. Level 4, though even at Level 4, there are civilizations that are more advanced through non-technological means. The Borg don't know telepathy without technology, which places them in a primitive Level 4. What is described for Level 7 is practically God. Or at least one major step closer to the divine level."

And that was in a thread about pyramids. 🤦

So, Jason, besides being the "owner" of one of the biggest blunders in that PDF—the one about "Pharaohs flying in octahedrons (not pyramids!) lying in sarcophagi full of liquid metal)" for which you provided ZERO actual arguments other than that random statement you pulled out of thin air (even though you were asked to back it up, you just stayed silent and pivoted to attacking and trolling the threads)—your other "contribution" to the discussion boils down to just commenting on other people's posts. Nothing else.

Jason Grant said:Then you go ahead and claim—honestly, I don't even know who would buy this—that
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someone could just imagine a pyramid built from a single stone, yet he let the contractors work on it for twenty years, they mess up the walls, misalign the main hall, ...and the whole thing turns into a 'Small town in USA project[/B

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So, basically: pyramids + Small town in USA + shoddy workmanship = the absolute mess that you, Ethan Brooks59, are creating.
And then comes the grand finale, which is honestly beyond stupid:
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'RA,' an all-knowing genius who was actually just out partying, eating, and living it up""

Ethan Brooks59, this is a total disaster!

Ethan Brooks59, now *this* is what I call a real mess.
...and I won't even list the rest, since this is all from just the last day or two. I really don't want to go there.[/I]


Was this supposed to look better by centering it? Because it definitely doesn't. And hey, if you had actually participated in the debate instead of just hovering around threads and trolling, maybe you’d understand what you call these "disasters." Or maybe not, because they might be at a level slightly too high for your "pharaohs in hot tubs." See, they actually back their points up with arguments and facts.
As for you, you haven't provided a single solid argument to date, so... honestly, I don't think anyone can take you seriously as a relevant voice here.

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Jason Grant says: [I]I truly hope that you, Ethan Brooks59, realize that your hands aren't the only ones covered in mud in this situation. I'd suggest everyone grab some soap and give themselves a good scrub. Unfortunately, they are, because I have to sift through a mountain of side effects caused by years of stunted individual development just to find one coherent thing to say in response to any post you guys drop in this thread. And man, it’s getting harder and harder. When people run out of actual arguments, they resort to ad hominem attacks—which is exactly where you've landed. And as for the soap comment, you've got plenty of "experience" there, don't you? It's the 21st century, so I guess that's fine, but it’s certainly not helping the quality of the discussion here. 😁 😁