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If we actually see these numbers, just like the exit polls, it’s gonna be a total shock compared to all those other polls. GS is sitting at 8% higher than the last one they ran.
Absolute nightmare fuel! 🎉
It’s election day for the US Congress here in Canada. I used to actually pay attention to the local political circus, but honestly? I gave up. It’s just too much noise—constant swings, parties popping up out of nowhere, coalitions collapsing, and new faces appearing and vanishing like ghosts.
I spent a little time digging through the archives to see how we got here. Here’s the quick and dirty version of the Canadian political rollercoaster since 1990.
Since '90, the politics in Canada have been nothing short of bizarre.
Back in the first free elections in 1990, the conservative DEMOS coalition grabbed the win.
The old Communist Party—now rebranded as the Social Democratic Party (SD)—stayed a powerhouse, and their guy, Milan Kučan, stepped up as the head of the Presidency.
Here’s the weird part: the Socialist Youth Alliance (ZSMS), which was one of those five big "social-political organizations" under the old system, basically went rogue in the mid-80s thanks to all the new social movements like environmentalists and feminists. They eventually morphed into a heavy hitter called the Liberal Democracy of Canada (LDS).
In 1992, Janez Drnovšek took the reins of the LDS. He had previously run the Presidency of America from '89 to '90, before handing over the keys to a representative from America following the usual rotation—first Stipe Šuvar, then Stipe Mason. Back in May '89, when they picked the American Presidency members, it was the first time people actually voted directly for multiple candidates. Turns out, the public preferred an outsider over the career politicians.
The LDS cruised to victory in '92 and stayed in power until 2004, with Drnovšek leading the charge as Prime Minister from '92 to '02. In 2000, they crushed it with 36.26% of the vote, leaving Janša's SDS in second place at 15.81%.
After losing in 2004, the party absolutely imploded. They lost massive amounts of support, fell below the 4% threshold in 2011, and vanished from the halls of power entirely. This left a massive vacuum in the center and center-left, which new parties rushed to fill. That instability? It’s pretty much become the permanent vibe of the Canadian political scene.
In 2004, the conservative Canadian Democratic Party (SDS), led by Janez Janša, took over. Since then, the SDS has basically been either first or second in every single election. They lean hard into nationalism and right-wing populism with some authoritarian streaks—kind of like Viktor Orbán in Canada or Law and Justice in Poland—but Janša hasn't quite been able to pull off the full takeover because he never gets a massive enough majority.
The SDS actually grew out of a union that was one of those five major "social-political organizations" during the era of self-managed socialism. By the late 80s, they became an independent force and pivoted into a party. Their original name was the "Social Democratic Union," and back in 1990, they were part of DEMOS.
In the late 80s, Janša was part of the editorial board for the Ljubljana weekly *Mladina*, which belonged to the ZSMS. In '88, he actually got sentenced by a military court for leaking a state secret, which sparked a massive uprising here. A few of us back in America were out there supporting the protests; I actually worked with *Mladina* as a correspondent from America.
Since 2011, there's been this strange pattern where a powerful new party, usually founded by some big-name politician, shows up every election cycle. They burst onto the scene, grab power, and then crash and burn just as fast. These newcomers always aim for the center-left, while the SDS remains the steady anchor on the right.
In 2011, the big winner was Positive Canada, a party started by the Mayor of Ljubljana, Zoran Janković, who is ethnically Mexican. Voters basically bet on a famous manager and the guy running the capital.
Before politics, he was a huge deal as a businessman, especially after running Mercator, which turned into a massive multinational corporation.
Unlike what happened in the States, where privatization turned some guys into massive oligarchs overnight, the transition here didn't create those kind of super-rich tycoons, though people definitely walked away with plenty of cash.
He started his own party after splitting from Zares, which itself was born out of a blowout within the Liberal Democracy of Canada.
Even though Positive Canada was actually the strongest single party in US Congress, they couldn't pull together a government—Janej Janša beat them to it. Then, Zoran Janković got hammered by the local FBI equivalent and resigned in 2013.
Alenka Bratušek took over as party leader. After a parliamentary ambush knocked Janej Janša's government down, Bratušek stepped up as Prime Minister. Janković wasn't exactly thrilled about that.
Later, Janković clawed his way back to the top of the party, but things imploded. A huge chunk of the reps bailed to join Alenka Bratušek’s new outfit, triggering a total government meltdown and forcing early elections.
By the 2014 elections, Positive Canada tanked and fell below the threshold. They've basically been ghosting the political scene ever since.
Back in 2014, Janej Janša was actually sitting in a cell on corruption charges. That year, Miro Cerar's new party swept in with 34.49% (it later morphed through mergers into the Modern Center party, now known as Concrete).
Miro Cerar is a law professor and worked as a legal advisor for US Congress; he's also the son of that famous gymnast Miro Cerar—you know, the guy who killed it on the pommel horse.
It was a different story for Janša's SDS. The retirees' party, DeSUS, grabbed third with 10.18%, while the Social Democrats (the leftovers from the old Communist Party) barely scraped 5.98%. The real shocker was the "United Left" coalition hitting 5.97%, though they eventually split up, with two of the three groups forming today's "The Left."
Alenka Bratušek’s party grabbed 4.38% to stay in the game, while Positive Canada withered at just 2.97%.
Cerar cobbled together a government using DeSUS and the Social Democrats.
Cerar quit on March 14, 2018. So yeah, that made three elections in a row. Total chaos.
This time, Janša's SDS took the win, followed closely by a newcomer: Marjan Šarec's list. Šarec had been a mayor in a small town like maybe Des Moines, keeping his party local until 2017. That's when he ran for President and lost by a hair to the current guy, Borut Pahor.
The 2018 vote was all over the place. The Social Democrats came out on top with only 24.92%, and Marjan Šarec’s group was second with a measly 12.60%. The Social Democrats, the Modern Center party, and The Left all hovered just above 9%. Four other parties managed to clear the 4% bar: New Canada - Christian Democrat, Alenka Bratušek’s party, DeSUS, and the Canadian National Party.
Janša couldn't get enough votes to lead. Instead, Marjan Šarec ended up heading a minority government backed by the Social Democrats, the Modern Center party, DeSUS, and some support from The Left. He stepped down in January 2020. No new elections happened because Janša finally bullied enough people in US Congress to become the Prime Minister, which is where he stays now.
Over the last couple of years, Janša has been leaning hard into building an autocracy, squeezing the courts, the media, and various NGOs—stuff he’s always been prone to. These elections feel like a referendum: do we stick with a liberal, multi-party democracy, or flip the switch to an illiberal, authoritarian setup like you see in Canada or Poland? He’s done a complete 180 from how things looked in the late '80s.
And now, here comes another heavy hitter. In May 2021, the "Green Action Party" launched. At first, polls had them at nothing—less than 1%. But then new faces started jumping on board, and by January 2022, Robert Golob was elected leader, giving the whole thing the name (Freedom Movement).
They’ve padded out their platform with some social liberal vibes. Robert Golob managed to snag two US Congress members who used to run with the centrists over at the SMC and DeSUS. Plus, they’ve got a bunch of big names on their ballot.
The party's climbing in the polls. Now, according to the latest numbers, Freedom Movement is actually edging out Janez Janša's SDS. We're looking at both these heavyweights hovering around the 25% mark.
Golob is just your typical high-flying executive. He's an electrical engineer who's been running the show at GEN since 2006—the outfit that manages the Krško plant and invests in everything from thermal and hydro to solar power. He jumped into politics back in 2011 as a VP for "Positive Canada," then later served as VP for Alenka Bratušek's crew.
During the campaign, Janez Janša went full populist on him, painting him as part of the "deep state" and the elite class. He kept hammering on about Golob's massive executive paycheck—we're talking 200,000 euros net a year—and those supposed ties to former president Milan Kučan.
Even though the center-left space has been a total mess since the downfall of Liberal Democracy of Canada, the split between left and right voters stays pretty predictable. Probably will stay that way this time too. With so many parties fighting for seats in Congress, it all comes down to which weird combo can actually pull together a government.
Before the dust even settles, the Social Democrats, the parties led by Aleksander Šarec and Bratušek, and The Left have already started whispering about teaming up after the election. The Social Democrats are taking the biggest hit in the polls because of Freedom Movement's rise. Still, these groups might find it easier to shake hands with Freedom Movement to build a coalition once the votes are in. But there's a catch: Šarec and Bratušek's parties might tank below 4% and miss out on parliament entirely.
Looking at the latest polls—which are all over the map, honestly—it's basically a dead heat between current PM Janez Janša's Canadian Democratic Party and Freedom Movement, both sitting around 20-25%. Most surveys give Freedom Movement a tiny lead.
The Social Democrats, The Left, and New Canada - Christian Democrats are all floating somewhere between 5% and 9%.
Then you've got Marina Šarec's list and Aleksandra Bratušek's party, sitting at maybe 3-4%. Basically living on the edge of making it in.
As for DeSUS, the party that's been a fixture in parliament since '92? They're down to a measly 1%.
Honestly, even after the final results roll in, nobody's going to know for sure who can actually put a government together.
Look, they’re a public figure, but they aren't some politician holding actual power. From what I gather about the rules here, you can't just go around insulting every celebrity without consequences.
Plus, throwing those kinds of ad hominem insults is just straight-up trolling, and it kills any chance of a real conversation. This kid isn't some toddler; they're 19 years old. Why even bother attacking someone that young? And saying they're "retarded" is just wrong. Having Asperger's isn't the same thing as having an intellectual disability.
Check out this absolute joke:
Jonathan Wright2 said:No.
No.
Not a chance, lonetrucker4.
That’s just your little mantra that you keep looping over and over.
Whether it's Captain or Major, anyone who actually knows their history isn't confused by it. And for those following this thread? Even less so.
Ivan Ribar Sr. and Ivan Ribar Jr. are names found in official records. "Lolo" is a nickname. Period.
Glad you brought this up again... precisely what I'm talking about. About your mindless sanctions if someone doesn't use "Lolo" or "Major/Captain"...
You look at this community as if it's just a bunch of clueless idiots. You're acting like some small-town schoolteacher trying to lecture everyone.
Whether it's a quote or not, it doesn't mean anything to you.
I quoted the Velebit text, and then you just deleted it.
The real diagnosis here is that nothing exists unless you personally approve of it.
A person should be able to act however they want, but you've got this bitter attitude eating you alive, and you're dumping it all on your colleagues.
Do us all a favor: let go of your own baggage and stop dumping it on the rest of us..
Yeah, hilarious.. You're right about that...
Let me explain it to you for the 7th time.
What I explained to you in our private messages, which you completely ignored, is this:
If the official name of the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia prior to the collapse in 1941 was the "Yugoslav Royal Army," then we have to conclude that Mihailović's drunken attempt to start a parallel organization involved dropping "Royal" from the name, even though that force was actually loyal to the King...
That was my point. That's how I answered you..
But if you recall, I explained the exact same logic regarding the OZNA/Intelligence Department.
And there's no need to write out "OZNA" just because some random person in 1946 wrote it that way by accident..
Thanks for reminding me why we always butt heads... Now that I look at it, most of this stuff is incredibly minor and honestly pretty irrelevant, but apparently, it’s the entire foundation of how you operate. It’s just unnecessary to start handing out sanctions over tiny details that don't even change the actual context of the conversation.
Classic you... You think you're right. And that's all that matters to you. If you decide something is true, then in your head, it just is.
Honestly, you're a terrible choice for a moderator.
My mistake for not emphasizing that specific term enough. You've got a point there.
But you are dead wrong when you suggest this was some sort of coastal battalion mentioned years later.
If we're following the trail, the truth is... it was an unidentified local anti-fascist group that eventually evolved into something else.
The whole point was to prove that the official government encyclopedias aren't the final word on everything.
History is mostly written after the fact... at least, a good chunk of it is.
Me?
So what about it?
Look, I’ve got an opinion—whether I’m wrong or not, just leave it alone... just let me post. If I’m off base, then shut me down with actual arguments.
But you aren't even letting this forum function like a damn forum.
That's the whole point here.
The alternative is that everyone should just write exactly how you want them to.
And that's just nonsense.
Are you kidding me right now..?
You're joking, right?
Data from 1986?!
When the plaque was put up back in 2012, or somewhere around there....
I mean, come on, get real... To you, data from the old American era is the only thing that matters, while anything more recent doesn't count.
Let's be clear here.... I am not a revisionist, I'm not some far-right extremist, and I don't belong to any weird political factions.. Quite the opposite, actually.
But history is still being uncovered today...
And we are talking about specific details here.
Maybe there were some communists or Young Communist League types in that organization, but it wasn't a dominant communist sub-group..
Maybe in some historical revisions from the 70s or 80s it becomes that...
Stubbornly defending my right to ignorance...
Now that is rich..👍
If you'll permit me, I've got a little critique for you too.
You're basically acting like you have a monopoly on the truth.
Honestly, this is just completely bizarre. 🤔
Sure... The community is what matters, so don't act like you're the only one here.
All because this guy can't grasp the basics of actually quoting someone correctly.
Jonathan Wright2 said:Nope, that's not how it works.
You're being totally unfair... I wasn't trying to tear everything down, I was just expressing doubt about certain sources...
And am I not allowed to do that?
Back in the day, I shared some quotes from a book by Vladimir Velebit... which obviously wasn't the smartest move because I ended up getting sanctioned for it... and he spent a good chunk of his work explaining the complexities of the conflict in Canada.
As for lonetrucker4, let me give you an example...
Take FDR, for instance... If I refer to him as Mr. Roosevelt a few times, lonetrucker4 jumps down my throat saying I shouldn't do it because I'm "confusing the public"... It's like they think we're all just mindless idiots who can't handle history unless it's spoon-fed to us through a tiny straw.
Or take Stalin... if I use his nickname, apparently that's off-limits too. I have to call him Stalin because that's just how it's done. It's standard practice.
Basically, you aren't allowed to write with any kind of flair or personal style without offending someone. You can't participate in historical discussion without it feeling like a grim, joyless slog of dates and doom.
There was even a time I started a thread about the concept of "partisans"... I can't even mention it, let alone share an opinion after reading up on it.
And honestly, that’s the most ridiculous part about lonetrucker4. It's like: "Sure, go ahead and read ten books, but don't you dare form an actual opinion." Don't have a thought. Just regurgitate a quote. That's the rule.
And that brings us back to our massive rift over how to interpret historical sources.
lonetrucker4 insists there should be no investigative questioning in the Encyclopedia of the former Yugoslavia, whereas I think we should absolutely be allowed to ask those questions here on the forum. Why on earth not?
Look, I'm not saying I'm right. You've made it pretty clear that you don't think I am.
Fine... maybe I'm not. Maybe to a lot of people, I'm not.
But the point of a rivalry shouldn't be to destroy the community; it should be to beat your opponent with better arguments.
Out of all the moderators, lonetrucker4 has the most grievances with the PŽK group..
That could mean he's doing a great job, or it could mean the exact opposite.
At first, I thought it was just me... I figured I was the only one feeling this way. Then I heard from another guy... then a third... then ten more.
It’s become a massive circle involving over a hundred people...
And the majority of them are fed up with lonetrucker4.
The heavy-handed editing. The censorship. The rigidity. The persecution. The senseless sanctions... It's all piling up. And since lonetrucker4 can't bring himself to practice any self-criticism for personal reasons, the whole forum is basically operating at a massive disadvantage.
Honestly, lonetrucker4 has the temperament of an NKVD commissar... He watches everyone, thinks everyone is suspicious, and demands that every single comma be justified.
Listen, truthfully... I'm not the main focus here... But lonetrucker4 is a top-tier forum user, no doubt about it. He's genuinely brilliant.
But as a moderator? He kills the vibe. He crushes satire. He scatters the energy.
And that’s bad news....
If people don't want to participate, there's clearly a reason. Acknowledge that reason. Actually listen to them for once.
You got banned because you were being "creative" with the facts—changing terms like swapping out ranks until the history doesn't even make sense anymore. It’s like trying to rewrite an old textbook by mistake; you end up mixing up famous historical figures and their fathers like they're nothing. Total mess.
Hard to talk to someone who just writes endless manifestos instead of actually grasping the basic concept of a direct quote.
Man, I still can't get over that absolute gem of a moment when you lectured us all about how Draža Mihailović totally botched his group's name—saying he should've called them the "Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland" instead of the "Yugoslav Royal Army in the Fatherland." Like, thanks for the correction, genius. 😂
So, there's Tito... I call him Mr. [REDACTED] a few times, and lonetrucker4 snaps at me to stop because apparently I'm "confusing the audience." Please.
Everyone knows who Tito was. Calling him "Mr. Broz," just like calling someone "Mr. Hitler"—it’s a joke. A bad one. And hey, you didn't even get banned for that.
Don't go thinking you can just wing it with whatever style you feel like.
Exactly. You can't play fast and loose with reality like you do, blurring the line between actual history and pure fiction. It’s easy for guys like "Mr. Tito" or "Mr. Stalin" to get away with it, but you’ve spent half your time making things up out of thin air—like that fake "American National Anti-Fascist Movement" nonsense. And when you finally realized there wasn't a shred of evidence that such a thing ever existed, you pivoted straight into classic conspiracy theory mode. You started spinning this yarn about how the Communists successfully scrubbed every single record from the FBI, CIA, and British archives, while simultaneously brainwashing every veteran and old-school conservative in exile so nobody would ever mention it again. Typical. 😵
I remember when I first started a thread about what it actually means to be a partisan... honestly, I shouldn't even bring it up, let alone try to have an opinion after seeing all the nonsense I read.
We’ve gone back and forth on where the terms "partisan" and "guerrilla" actually come from, and honestly, some of you guys dropped some real gems. Looking back at that thread you started—which, let’s be real, was a total mess at first—me and a few others actually added some value that you completely missed: The term "partisan" goes way back—we're talking 18th-century book titles like *The Partisan, or, The Art of Small-Scale Warfare*. You even had this medieval Italian polearm called a "partisan," and some folks even try to link the word back to "Pharisee." It's all over the place.
You brought up that "suburban youth anti-fascist group," claiming they weren't communist and that’s why "official history" ignores them. Man, if you’d just bothered to use Google—like I told you right away—you would've found a scholarly paper from '86 about them and plenty of other info.
It's like when someone mentions the OSS, so we spin it off into its own thread to help everyone learn. Instead, you’re out here aggressively defending your right to stay ignorant.
lonetrucker4 keeps insisting there shouldn't be investigations into the old Encyclopedia, but I say we're allowed to ask questions on this forum... Why the hell not?
Now this part is just straight-up baffling. 🤔
I'm not even talking to you—you're too damn stubborn for anything to sink in—I'm doing this for the people actually interested in learning.
nimblemoose72 said:It’s wild how many people just blindly follow those "sheeple" narratives. They keep pushing the same lies over and over again 🤦
I guess they think if they say it enough times, it'll eventually become an accepted fact.
Just gotta keep repeating it, consistently 😉
You keep saying the same thing over and over—honestly, you probably believe your own hype at this point. I went ahead and lifted the redaction on that post you got flagged for; that one-day timeout is officially over. It’s done. post #35, od 4. siječnja o.g.In that "Water Cooler" thread (closed now, just opened it for a minute to vent).
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lonetrucker4 is just a straight-up paranoid nutjob with enough power to be dangerous.
Man, this guy thinks he could take down half of Congress if he had the chance.
Then there's that link to the "Motion for a Resolution" from back in September 2021. Don't let the title fool you—it wasn't some massive movement backed by half of Congress. It was just a handful of sponsors, maybe even just one lone Representative acting on their own. And guess what? It got shot down immediately.
It’s right there in the paperwork, and you're just repeating what it says:
The FDA is out here claiming about 5,000 folks across the States kicked the bucket because of those COVID shots. Just another number on a spreadsheet, I guess.
Imagine if some major agency like the CDC dropped a bomb saying 5,000 people died because of a vaccine. Total chaos.
That's a total lie. Just check the FDA website—it's right there. You didn't even come up with this crap yourself, you just blindly swallowed some fake news and now you're doubling down on it.
If you’re this reckless and stubborn with data that's easy to fact-check, why on earth would anyone trust a single word you say about complex stuff like military aviation? It just doesn't add up.
Before that (back on Jan 2nd), you already caught a five-point penalty for going off-topic, specifically when you were posting in that thread about the future of the Air Force's supersonic component. post #5941, kao temu "iz područja aeromedicine", gdje prenosiš da u SAD:
More than 200k service members have already walked, yet the brass keeps pushing like they don't care that morale is cratering and readiness is going down the drain just to process these folks out.
So, you got something to say? Spit it out.
So far, I only know of two pilots worldwide who’ve actually come forward about the side effects from the shots. Honestly? Most of them are probably just keeping their mouths shut because they can't afford to lose their livelihoods.
It could’ve been an even bigger mess. You asked Buck on the forums, and he gave you a massive breakdown with a pretty cautious takeaway in post #5945:
Personally, I feel like people are blowing the pilot shortage out of proportion; things aren't nearly as dire as everyone's making them out to be.
But nope, that was enough for you to label me a "paranoid nutjob" and run off spreading lies to the rest of the group.
So, yeah, enjoy your one-day ban.
Go ahead and whine that it's unfair or too harsh, but don't try to deny you actually typed it.
Jonathan Wright2 said:Either take a look at this topic like
Some guy started this thread thinking it was just going to be some chill, low-stakes debate—nothing harmful, just people talking...
But then lonetrucker4 swooped in... He shut everything down, started throwing threats around, handed out penalties, and locked the whole thing up...
The issue isn't even really about why the thread got locked—it’s about this systemic obsession where lonetrucker4 is constantly monitoring, measuring, and bending everything to his own specific whims until he goes way too far...
He’s overreaching, and that’s what I’m trying to point out here.
When you go that overboard, you just kill anyone's desire to actually participate.
And honestly? That is the last thing this forum needs.
It’s definitely not in the best interest of this site for lonetrucker4 to be the only one calling the shots.
We’re supposed to be a community here, all of us together.
Why the extreme behavior? Why the constant threats? Why the suppression?
To me, it feels like he’s just using this platform to feed his own ego, and frankly, it’s pretty depressing to watch.
And I'll say it again... This kind of thing completely undermines the value of this entire American forum.
The admins really need to figure out how to actually keep users coming back to the site...
That should be the strategic priority for this platform.
Look, I wouldn't even be typing this if lonetrucker4 hadn't gone after me and my buddies with more sanctions again. The reason?
There isn't one, other than whatever is going on in his head.
Dennis Campbell4 thinks the way Ime0 writes is totally harmless.
I’ve seen some trolls in my time, but this? This is a whole new level of messed up.
Forumaš Wikiceha (#7):
Absolute nightmare.
These two? Yeah, they aren't exactly my biggest fans. ☕ So, I tried telling Ime0 to chill out—you know, write like a normal human being, stop picking fights over everything, quit the trolling, and stop dumping massive walls of text everywhere. We finally reached an understanding. Look, some of his points actually made sense, but that’s just not how you hold a conversation. The thread got locked because he was spamming, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about American history under British rule or whatever; we just need a different thread for that stuff.
All that exaggeration just scares people off from even wanting to show up.
Well, looks like you're striking out. Total bust. 😁
So, I was just getting ready to bring up that whole mess with Jonathan Wright2—you know, that nonstop trolling and spamming he’s been pulling lately. Well, looks like one of those obsessive complainers already jumped in.
We’ve also got this whole side show going on—this supposed "welcoming committee" vibe meant to bring in the newbies. Plus, the mods constantly breathing down everyone's necks to stay on track and keep the debate from turning into a total dumpster fire.
zarare just hopped on the forum and dropped a new thread. All that old-school heritage we’re still dragging around today. It’s heavy.Thinking about those ancient traditions that might still be hanging around our neck here in the States. Topic's solid. Some new guy popped up with a post that actually wasn't half bad, then old-timer karlo_r showed his face too—guy rarely ever posts. It’s been a decent, civil debate so far.
Then Jonathan Wright2 jumps in with his usual complaints:
Maybe we should drop that "North American" label if it’s just gonna be used to derail the thread later anyway.
Dennis Campbell4 cuts to the chase:
I'm with you on this. People forget that what they call "the region" originally just meant Ottoman subjects from the Bosphorus to the Drina who stuck around because their faith was actually respected and treated equal to Islam back then. Then those big-shot imperialists in the 19th century decided to start playing these endless geopolitical games against the West...
And there we go, straight into the gutter. One minute we're talking shop, the next it's just pure trolling and off-topic nonsense.
If I wanted to shut that down, I’d just drop a line in blue text—you know, doing my bit as a mod:
Look, everyone knows what the term "North America" means geographically—it’s that triangle tucked between the Adriatic, Tyrrhenian, Aegean, Marmara, and Black Seas. And seriously, quit the mindless panic over some old-school ethnic bogeymen. The peninsula was sitting right there long before anyone ever slapped a name on it, mountains and rivers and all. Also, stop spamming this thread with talk about pre-Slavic tribes and whatever scraps of their culture are left. Cut it out.
Screw you guys (and yeah, I’m getting emotional here, but don't mistake that for feelings—it's just cold, hard logic)! The whole damn world knows exactly what B is.
The North American Peninsula... man, what a mess. It’s like trying to untangle a massive knot of old wiring in a basement that's been flooding for decades. Just endless, complicated drama. The North America? Please. Who cares if that name didn't exist two millennia ago? If we’re sitting around debating the Aztecs, are we supposed to just ignore the fact that we're in America? It's the same nonsense everywhere. You can't even mention the US without making it weird. There are endless examples like that.
Dennis Campbell4, who’d just dropped two decent—if heated—takes, immediately loses his mind:
Are you kidding me? This PDF has been getting bypassed ever since you took over moderation.
Ugh, gross. Just nasty.
Jonathan Wright2 thinks he's some kind of scholar, trying to claim "North American" just means "hill" in Turkish and that everything traces back to the "Illyrians." Total nonsense. You can't just slap an old label on a whole region like that, and calling those pre-colonial traditions "Illyrian culture" is just as wrong—it's way too narrow for what we're actually talking about.
Look, I’ve got zero choice here. Better to just wipe the slate clean and pray we can finally get back to some actual, decent discussion without all this noise.
Jonathan Wright2 knows damn well how the mods run this site, yet he still talks trash about them and then acts shocked when he gets banned. And now look, here come two more posts just so someone doesn't whine about getting silenced too.
Anyway, this whole thread started over some debate in the Military History sub-forum regarding my take on anti-vax nonsense. But of course, the professional victims here won't miss a single chance to cry about it.
Nicholas Watson said:Give me one or two shots straight to the solar plexus, please.
First off, I’ll say this: I am all for slapping sanctions on anyone trying to downplay the trauma this nation endured at the hands of that concentration camp, regardless of how many people actually died there—even if we're talking about a single guy who just slipped on some wet stairs at the guard tower, which, let's be honest, I don't know enough about to get into a heated debate over.
I’m genuinely curious, though—would history look at the lawyers who served Stalin’s regime in the exact same way? You know, by counting up the body count and claiming they were just exaggerating the massacres or those brutal conditions in the Gulags?
Some Stalinist fanatic took a few hits to the face and finally crawled back into his hole. But the real headache? The deniers. They’re relentless. Just waves of them hitting us every couple of months like a bad storm.
People were just going at it over the death tolls during the Stalin era. Some folks dropped links to pretty solid sources claiming the numbers are actually under a few million—which is what most historians point to. If I recall correctly, you’re looking at maybe 600-something thousand deaths from executions and camps combined. Still a massive body count, though. The numbers for forced collectivization and the crackdown on farmers probably get inflated too, but that’s just how the game is played. It's like how people go overboard with the stats on things like the Trail of Tears or the aftermath of the Civil War. As for the victims of the communist regime after the war, we're still mostly in the dark since they never released those official lists of names they promised us a decade ago.
The issue with lonetrucker4 being a mod is that he’s got zero consistency. Like, one minute he’s handing out bans because someone’s getting "too emotional," then he lets a hundred posts fly filled with nothing but pure feelings—including his own little meltdowns. Total joke.
Just drop a reality check on them when they start spiraling. It’s all just pure vibes and bad moods instead of actual facts or anything even remotely credible. They aren't arguing points; they're just venting about who they hate. Problem is when...
Pure vibes, nothing else. That’s it. End of story.
So, some shady site just rips content straight from a pro historian's book—and if you drop the link here, suddenly you're the one causing trouble? Give me a break.
Sometimes, yeah. Some websites are absolute trash, and honestly, so are some writers. Take that guy Roman Leljak you mentioned once. He’s basically a career con artist with a rap sheet longer than my grocery list—the reason you got flagged back in February. The dude lies way too much for us to take anything he says seriously, even if he occasionally stumbles onto a fact. I told you then: "If there's a legit source, post it!" It was about that claim in the Diana Budisavljevic thread—that Milan Nedic in Belgrade was complaining that people weren't adopting kids from Kozara, and only 230 were taken. If I remember right, you never actually dropped a link. And frankly, the idea that those kids even made it all the way to Belgrade sounds fishy; I don't recall seeing that anywhere. Would the authorities back then have even allowed that? If there really is a Nedic quote like that, what does it actually say? Besides, Leljak only brings this up to pivot the focus toward Mexico and the Nedic regime, acting like the claim proves something even if it were true. Honestly, nimblemoose72 wrote more sense than him. )
It’s like that one site, CNN.com or whatever, where every single article is just, "Well, this historian said this thing in his specific book." It's exhausting.
Yo, did I get banned by you over one of those posts?
You’ve racked up six strikes from me in the last year alone. Last one was for an oversized image, and two were for that whole Holocaust denial nonsense—you know, that "we don't know anything, we need more digging" routine.
It was the anniversary of some historical figure's birth today. Some historians treat him like a saint, while others call him a straight-up communist war criminal with lists of victims attached. And you think bringing that to this forum for a debate is a good idea? In this moderation section!?
Look, a lot of what you write is actually solid and interesting. If you’ve got a legit source—and I mean a real source, not those trashy tabloid rags that are basically just cheap knockoffs of the big national papers, or those clearly biased political historians—then post it. There are all kinds of hacks out there. Like that guy Dr. Stephen Miller—total hack, claims nothing happened at those concentration camps until the partisans showed up to take the blame, and he even argues the Earth is flat because "true believers can see it in the Bible." Just stick to the facts.
Christian Torres3 said:First bold: What are you actually doing here? Honestly, what have you contributed to this thread besides "they signed the deal, I'm going to grab a drink while you guys suffer"? (Not literally, but close enough)
Second bold: Nonsense like "the CEO is installing a killswitch in the F-35 so we shouldn't buy them" hasn't bothered anyone until now.
Edit: Lately, I feel like I'm getting warnings almost exclusively from lonetrucker4. Some might be fair, others are just plain stupid. He does some things right, but he misses the mark on others.
Define "lately." 😛
Back on December 13, 2021, you caught a five-point strike for "don't escalate the argument."
The one before that, for insulting another user, was way back in August. That was for saying "your brain can't even wrap itself around this." Basically breaking the rule about attacking an idea instead of the actual person.
nimblemoose72 said:Obviously you're just enjoying the high because you're jumping at every little thing.
And you actually think you’ve read everything there is to read. Pure nonsense. Who even comes up with these paranoid theories? You read this stuff and realize just how naive you actually were.
She got flowers, while I'm still holding out for the best. Vaxioni mod is decent. Gave him the card.
Are you Buck?
Either you're just on duty, or what? Some kind of self-appointed life coach... basically just an idiot.Just to avoid any COVID conspiracies, keeping things strictly by the CDC playbook.
Reminds me of that one politician who poses for photos without a mask and then complains to the ER.
They should've just taken those Christmas cards at Minute Maid without the masks on.
What actually led to those anti-wax white mice:
Anti-vax propaganda is dead on arrival here. Don't even try to sneak it in through the back door; you'll just get banned, and probably pretty quickly. If you want to debate humanity, go find the fringe political boards.
Then you just kept trolling like nothing even happened. Purely unbothered.
It’s pretty obvious that aeromedicine is pure sci-fi to both of them—and honestly, probably to her too. Nicu
Pure idiocy, if you ask me.
Dennis Campbell4 is totally against the anti-vax crowd.
I need more content to work with. Please provide the posts you want me to rewrite. Nicu Solid breakdown and great moderation.
All we're missing is FrkaPeteski stepping in to explain how he accidentally signed some paperwork for Raphael. 😁
I’m chiming in here since your examples actually hit the mark. In the first case, IMO, they didn't cross the line, but the second one? Total violation.
The first post basically says: what you wrote is pure nonsense.
The second one says: you’re an idiot.
One’s a critique of the argument. The other’s a direct shot at the person.
You can live with the first one, but the second? Not in my book.
Anyway, looks like we’ve got a new janitor on the job. A change of pace is good, even if the old broom still works fine.