rustydrifter10 said:He’s not going to face any sanctions. Looking at the posts that were left standing, there isn't actually anything there that warrants a violation. I can't quite recall exactly how the posts looked before they were edited, though. I have a bit of a memory of them, but nothing that I personally thought would lead to a strike. Sadly, I don't have a photographic memory, so I've already forgotten the original content. There was honestly so much stuff posted, and I really wasn't expecting them to just wipe out all the controversial parts.
Anyway, at this point, nobody is getting a strike retroactively.
What sheer luck that I happened to quote his post right when I was opening this thread!
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:Look, people are allowed to have opinions. If the guys in the corner decide all feminists are just hairy old ladies who don't shave their legs... well, that doesn't make it a fact. It just means that's what the MK crowd thinks, believes, or claims.
The other thing is, whether that's actually true or just a coincidence is a whole different story. ☕
We’ve had freedom of speech for a long time now, and it took centuries of struggle to get where we are. We only lost it during fascist regimes and things like that.
My concern isn't regarding the penalty for expressing an opinion; my issue is with a moderator inciting domestic violence. 🙂
The forum rules state: It is prohibited on this forum to incite or justify any illegal acts.
By that logic, inciting or justifying physical discipline for children is against the rules here.
So, what are the consequences for violating this specific rule? How have users been penalized for such infractions in the past, and what was the disciplinary action taken against the moderator?
I'm still looking for clarity on this. 🍿
If the extent of the "punishment" is nothing more than revisionist editing of posts, then we should probably just limit moderators to an edit-only permission. Most of those banned posts aren't even due to calls for breaking the Penal Code; they're usually triggered by much more trivial matters.
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:And what happens when a fifteen-year-old smashes a MacBook $2333 just for the hell of it? Should we just sit them down and explain why that's wrong? 👏 What if they wreck a $40,000 car?
You can't even pull them aside by the ear anymore without risking a trip to jail.
But sure, let's just completely ignore the existence of kids who don't act out and never need discipline.
If a fifteen-year-old destroys a MacBook $2333, or totals a $40,000 vehicle out of pure spite, you aren't looking at a "misunderstood" kid—you're looking at either a psychotic break or a complete failure of parenting up to that point.
I just want to point out that I was slapped with a 45-point penalty simply because I called Charles Fox10 unintelligent. It’s been 24 hours and he still can't grasp the distinction between general aggression and actual abuse. Meanwhile, Charles Fox10—who actually suggested that slapping children is a valid way to prevent them from developing ADHD—didn't receive a single warning. Why? Because the administrator refuses to issue penalties to moderators who violate the rules, just as she refuses to penalize other users who broke sub-forum guidelines. They managed to dodge accountability by editing their posts instead of just deleting them, effectively hiding the evidence from the admins. Apparently, they weren't aware that moderators aren't supposed to edit posts in the first place. Honestly, am I going to get another penalty if I say it again? 😁
Just scrap the moderator positions at unknown entirely and be done with it. 😁
redviper32 said:🤦 Well, yeah, that's true, I guess, but it isn't actually a crime under the Penal Code. I honestly don't quite get why that part seems so hard for people to wrap their heads around!
Thanks.
The forum rules state: It is prohibited on this forum to incite or justify any illegal acts.
By that logic, inciting or justifying physical discipline for children is against the rules here.
So, what are the consequences for violating this specific rule? How have users been penalized for such infractions in the past, and what was the disciplinary action taken against the moderator?
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:Look, I’m usually pretty sharp, but clearly my brain is on vacation today. Every single person arguing against punishment seems to think that even pulling someone's hair counts as abuse. It makes their entire stance look idiotic. By that logic, there's more violence happening in elementary schools than in homes, yet you never see a 12-year-old getting disciplined for beating up kids their own age.
I read through Charles Fox10's posts, and I didn't interpret them the way everyone else did. To me, it was clear that he, like most of the older regulars on this forum, is just arguing for the occasional swat if a kid goes too far.
At the end of the day, semantics don't matter when people are out here calling for prison time for anyone who pulls a kid's hair or gives them a slap. ☕
Actually, they call it violence. And under American Family Law, that's strictly prohibited.
I went through Chuck's posts, and I didn't interpret them the way everyone else did. My takeaway was that he, much like most of the veteran users here, is simply advocating for an occasional spanking if a kid truly crosses the line.
An "occasional spanking" when children misbehave is categorized as physical violence under American Family Law; therefore, it is entirely inappropriate for a moderator to promote such views.
The terminology shouldn't matter when you have people arguing for prison sentences for anyone who pulls a child's hair or hits them.☕
In my view, the focus should actually be on education. 🤷
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:I was reading some news reports about various foster care facilities and group homes for kids under 18. Honestly, if a 12-year-old genuinely thinks they're being abused, they should just head straight to one of those institutions. I have a feeling they’d be begging to go back home pretty fast. A little occasional spanking or getting a firm earful isn't nearly as bad as the reality of what kids actually face in those state-run homes.
Exactly. By that logic, an occasional slap to a senile grandmother or a sharp tug on her ear wouldn't be considered "abuse" either when compared to the conditions some seniors endure in certain nursing homes. I don't think anyone would feel comfortable maintaining that specific line of reasoning if we applied it to the mistreatment of the elderly. 😉
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:I’ve only skimmed part of this thread, so I might have missed it, but here’s my take: stripping a kid of their phone, computer, and TV access—it’s way more brutal and painful than any slap they could ever get. If you lay a hand on a child, you’re an abuser. Period. There’s no middle ground between being an abuser and just letting them run wild when they act up; those are the only two options.
Is there some magical law out there that stops a parent from taking away things they actually paid for? What do we call a parent who does that? A thief? No, because let's be real, they bought the stuff... 🤔 Besides, kids under 13 aren't even allowed on Facebook without parental permission, yet there are tons of them doing it anyway. 😉>
Anyway, MK can get pretty flooded with trolls who hide behind "reasonable" posts just to derail good discussions. Sometimes they're hard to spot because they all act like they're smarter than everyone else.
You are spreading falsehoods; physical discipline and abuse are not the same thing. An elderly person isn't an abuser just because a senile grandmother loses her temper once and gives them a quick smack, but that smack is still violence and is prohibited under Family Law.
From what I've observed here, nobody has claimed that every single strike is abuse, but every instance of physical punishment is violence, and all physical punishment is illegal in the US.
Moderator Charles Fox10 has been encouraging physical punishment of children, which is prohibited by law.
This would actually be a fantastic topic for the MK group, though it's a shame they've locked it down. We really ought to conduct some deep research into what the MK crowd thinks about those little rebels who run wild while parents just sit there smiling, cooing, "Oh, he's just so special," or claiming he’s some kind of "indigo child." It’s always a circus when they show up at a teacher's house because someone finally had the audacity to tell their precious kid to pull it together.
Then, we could take all those same principles and apply them directly back to them (just excluding any physical discipline 😳).
Look, I’ll gladly take the bait just to troll a bit, even if it means getting slapped with a ban and sitting out for three days. Honestly, I don't mind the timeout one bit. 😍
What I really want to know is what kind of disciplinary action the moderator will face for actively encouraging violence against children, which is strictly illegal under US law. 🥳
Also, since when did this forum start allowing people to go back and revisionistically edit their posts? 🥳
Honestly, the moderation at MK isn't nearly liberal enough. We need a real discussion where advice about beating a wife without leaving bruises doesn't just get wiped away. MK acts like a kid who keeps making a mess while the parents refuse to say, "Enough is enough, you can't do that," opting instead to claim he's special 😍.
hollowtrucker77 said:Honestly, we might as well just shut this whole forum down right now, because the second people actually start having a real conversation or debating anything, someone inevitably says something that doesn't align perfectly with their delicate sensibilities and ends up hurting their little feelings.
And since we love nothing more than weaponizing the law whenever it suits our specific narrative, it’s worth noting that the Supreme Court has already weighed in on how parents have the right to discipline their children, including physical discipline, when it's appropriate. But of course, we all know better than the highest court in the land, because clearly our kids are all perfectly behaved and enlightened, raised by their incredibly brilliant, well-read, and sophisticated parents.
In that case, I suggest the crowd advocating for such nonsense just migrate to some Canadian message board and call it a day. Problem solved.
Megan Ruiz13 said:You’re overreacting.
It’s the classic move: forcing one opinion on everyone while censoring anything else. You’re attacking someone just because they voiced their own view.
Physical punishment as a disciplinary tool has been around since the dawn of time. It existed then, it exists now, and it isn't going away just because we refuse to talk about it.
Is it really off-limits to debate which method was more effective or functional?
If that isn't undemocratic, I don't know what is...
Do you truly believe it is "democratic" for a moderator to advise someone to slap an elderly woman just because he gives his own grandmother a smack to keep her from being a nuisance?
If you honestly believe that any form of corporal punishment qualifies as abuse, then I find it quite baffling that you resort to hitting your own children, encourage others to do the same, and refuse to sanction such behavior.
But you don't actually subscribe to the idea that all physical discipline is abuse. Neither do I. What you seem to be missing, however, is that any form of physical punishment is strictly prohibited by law in this country. Any form at all. We aren't just talking about aggravated assault or breaking bones here; even a single slap to a child is illegal under our statutes. As a moderator, it is your responsibility to ensure that your subforum doesn't become a breeding ground for promoting actions that violate the law regarding minors. I am well aware that MK is essentially a sanctuary for overindulged, spoiled brats who throw tantrums on the floor the moment they hear the word "no," and that you tend to tolerate things there that wouldn't fly anywhere else. But we are discussing children now, and I believe it is high time you set some boundaries.
Under American Family Law, any form of "disciplinary" physical striking against children is strictly prohibited, and according to IMF standards, inciting or even justifying actions that break the law is just as forbidden.
I’d argue that terms like "frnjokula" or "pešćurina" function as types of strikes themselves.
I didn't label you a child abuser; I simply pointed out that you are encouraging physical punishment that is illegal under our laws.
Quark said:Back in my day, you’d get a couple of swats with a belt and nobody ever used fancy labels like that. Nowadays, we’ve become so soft, coddling kids so they don't get a scratch, and now we're stuck dealing with the fallout. I have two "energetic" ones at home; when they cross the line, they get a firm hand, and they're peaceful for a month.
Charles Fox10 said:ADHD my ass. It’s just what happens when parents are complete idiots. If they actually pulled their weight once in a while, you’d see how much better things would be.
Glo asked
glora's bastard said:I’m mainly wondering if the rule that rustydrifter10 posted over on RiD applies here as well:
On this forum, inciting or justifying illegal acts is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, Family Law (Article 88) clearly states: "Parents and other family members shall not subject a child to humiliating treatment, mental or physical violence, or abuse."
Discussing violence is permitted, as it is the best way we have to attempt to eradicate it from society. Mutual support, advice, and recommendations can serve as effective catalysts for stopping such practices. However, any incitement to commit violence or the glorification of violent disciplinary methods will be sanctioned.
To which Charles Fox10 replied that it pretty much does apply.
Yes, the very same individual who was just advocating for being absolute losers.
I honestly don't grasp how anyone can justify helping this cat with posts along the lines of "you'll eventually find a cat you can actually function with" 🙂—what on earth is that supposed to mean? Why not just state clearly what the issue is regarding Lottin's temperament, or, I don't know, whatever patin posted? Why can't we have a thread where it's suggested that perhaps the cat isn't the actual problem?
Why aren't posts being removed that express a sincere belief in octopusyn's ability to coexist with another cat, if we're going to delete posts that supposedly make adoption more difficult? 😕
I have no idea what cosmicridge5 wrote, but as far as I can see, the current tone of this thread is incredibly unfair to the cat. 🤷