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Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
I don't believe what the teacher in the opening post said was right, but I do think situations like this can absolutely happen. Honestly, I am just shocked by these outbursts about quitting and the general lack of tolerance—and the failure to grasp what it actually means to be an educator.

When I say that things like this can occur, I am speaking from the perspective of everything a teacher endures in a single day, a month, or even a year. That context is something only those working in the American school system can truly understand. I see where Persefona is coming from; in a school setting, you encounter situations where you either snap entirely—just like this mentioned teacher did—or you simply try to emotionally detach and work just to survive from bell to bell, because you honestly don't know any other way to protect your own mental health.

When I first started teaching, my very first job, my first period class was an 8th grade group. The first thing they asked me was what kind of car I drove, because they were already talking about how they wanted to beat it up or slash my tires. Every time a class ended and I would walk down the hallway, they’d follow me, making comments about how much they’d love to push me down the stairs... One particular student didn't bring a notebook or a textbook for the entire year. Instead, he spent the whole hour interrupting with questions about whether I was wearing thongs or regular panties, what my first wedding night was like, what my bra size was, and so on. Of course, you ignore it and try not to let it get to you, but the misery, sadness, and frustration just build up inside you. That same little boy, who never brought a single piece of school supplies to class, happened to enroll in the high school where my husband teaches. Later, my husband found out from the school counselor that the boy's mother—as soon as she realized the teacher was my husband—came into the school ahead of time to complain that the man would take his frustrations out on her son just because I was his teacher. So, the mother was fully aware of what her child had been doing all through 8th grade; she never apologized, she defended him constantly, and she even went to accuse a professor she didn't even know of premeditated bias against her kid.
My husband isn't that type of person and it would never cross his mind, and fortunately, everyone at his school knows that too, so the whole ordeal ended there.

And you experience situations like that—more or less terrible ones—almost every single day. It is completely understandable if you snap somewhere, no matter how hard you try to stay calm and fair.
What is most tragic is being acutely aware that these children aren't inherently "bad"; the blame lies with their parents and the upbringing they receive at home. When a 6th grader asks you what you think you're doing, implying they have an iPhone that costs more than your entire salary, or when a 1st grader tells you that once they grow up they'll only finish as much school as they absolutely have to because they won't need it—since they'll inherit their dad's corporation and have endless money and no one can touch them—you don't know whether to pity the child or not. Because it's clear to you that such statements didn't just pop into their heads out of nowhere; you know exactly where they came from. You cannot expect respect from a child who listens to a constant stream of disparaging remarks toward schools and teachers at home. When you hear a 3rd grader telling her friend in the restroom that her mom is going to get this English teacher fired because they gave them a third test this week, well, what else can you expect??

Parents show so little respect for the teaching profession, and they pass that attitude straight down to their kids. We were recently discussing how we see coaches at sports practice calling kids names like "dummy," "goose," or "lazybones"... and the parents don't even react. Hardly anyone sees it as a tragedy. Why? I don't know. Is a coach somehow a bigger deal than a teacher? Why is a coach valued more than a professor who is killing themselves to ensure your child actually learns something?

In such a toxic atmosphere, it is incredibly difficult to keep a cool head, to always remain poised, and to watch every word you say. There are times when perfectly valid words spoken by a frustrated parent can be twisted and interpreted as being malicious or directed against their "precious angel"...
I am saying, I don't think what the teacher in the intro post said was right; it was completely wrong, of course. But I also don't see any reason for this level of rage or these declarations of quitting. I just don't understand where all this hatred and disrespect comes from toward the people who spend the majority of their days with your child—people who, for the most part, are working their asses off to teach them something and to show them love, understanding, and fairness. And in return, all they get is total mockery.

I have to ask myself: why has it become perfectly acceptable nowadays to receive an apology from a parent in the form of a torn scrap of paper ripped straight from a spiral notebook? It just says, "Please excuse my child from 5th period on Tuesday; they have a dentist appointment." There isn't even a "hello," no "thank you," no signature—not even a proper piece of stationery!
Furthermore, why is there such collective shock in the teachers' lounge when a student actually shows a modicum of respect by handing us a card addressed to "Dear Professor"? Why has basic decency been rebranded as something strange? Why has the normal become the abnormal?
And most importantly, why is it so difficult for people to grasp that in such a toxic, unhealthy environment, mistakes are bound to happen? We are human beings; we stumble, we say things we know are wrong, and we feel genuine remorse for it afterward.
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I am going to go ahead and install it right now, so we shall see if it actually makes any kind of difference.
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I have the option to block Pop-ups enabled in my iPad settings, so I am honestly at a loss as to why this keeps jumping out at me today.
It slides over to the left side and completely obstructs a section of the Forum. You can't even see the "x" to close it until it's already moved, which means you can't dismiss it early. And it happens every single time I navigate to a different page on the site... it is just incredibly irritating...
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I have never encountered such a nuisance before, but today, I am being relentlessly bombarded! Every single time I navigate to a new page on this Forum, a massive advertisement for Anheuser-Busch pops up, and it takes a full twenty seconds just to close it. And then, as soon as I click onto the next page, the cycle begins all over again...
It is truly unprecedented for me, so I am at a complete loss as to what could have triggered this sudden onslaught...
To provide some context, I am accessing the Forum via my iPad, using Safari, Google, and Puffin. It is happening across every single one of them without exception.
Does anyone have any advice on how I might shut this down?
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
brisktiger56 said:I have no idea who wouldn't write that 😛
For you—and honestly, a lot of other believers—there’s just a massive amount of illogical stuff 😉 contradictions...

The most logical way this "scandal" works is if the church and the author sit down and hammer out the whole deal before a single word is even typed 😬. Once the book hits shelves, then comes the religious condemnation (basically a clever marketing spotlight) which triggers massive consumer interest—book lovers who go out and BUY everything from the books themselves to the toys, games, posters, DVD adaptations, and eventually the movie soundtrack that shares the book's title...
In the end, the profits flow to the author, the publisher, the government through taxes, and finally back to the church via state channels. Just like how the USA needs global terrorism to function, the church needs heretical literature. If it doesn't exist, they'll just manufacture it themselves 😛

Then you're just a victim of prejudice, pretty much like everyone else. Someone refuses to try octopus salad or salted herring, and someone else won't even pick up a book JUST because it was put on a school syllabus. Look, those books weren't ordered by the schools and they weren't written exclusively for kids... They get added to the curriculum much later on...

So, how am I supposed to explain that to kids?

Maybe we don't even need to overexplain things—maybe we just need to give them some actual choices so they can grab the books that actually resonate with them. Is there really anything wrong with our obsession with individualism? Required reading shouldn't be a chore; it could just be an extra lens to look through... you know, to help them get a better view of their own world.

Oh, please, I am begging you—could you kindly explain what on earth you meant by that sentence?😕
Because I truly cannot wrap my head around how being a person of faith has anything to do with reading books about Harry Potter 🤷

Do enlighten me..

On another note..

Franz Kafka hasn't vanished into thin air..
Here is a list of required reading for a high school senior in the States. Kafka is right there.. oh yes..🙄

Marcel Proust: IN SEARCH OF LOST TIME (Combray)
2. Luigi Pirandello: SIX CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN AUTHOR
3. Franz Kafka: THE TRIAL and THE METAMORPHOSIS
4. Ernest Hemingway: THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA or FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
5. Ernest Hemingway: THE KING'S BARACKS, KHEVENHILLER, THE RETURN OF FILIP LATINOVICZ, and THE GENTLEMEN GLEMBAJ
LATINOVICZ
6. Ernest Hemingway: THE DAMNED OUTCAST or THE BRIDGE ON THE DRINA
7. Ernest Hemingway: THE PIT
8. William Faulkner: AS I LAY DYING
9. Bertolt Brecht: MOTHER COURAGE AND HER CHILDREN
10. Jean Paul Sartre: NAUSEA
11. Albert Camus: THE STRANGER
12. Eugene Ionesco: THE BALD SOPRANO and THE CHAIRS
13. Samuel Beckett: WAITING FOR GODOT
14. Selimović: DEATH AND THE DERVISH
15. Petar Šegedin: THE BLACK SMILE
16. Vladan desnica: THE SPRINGS OF IVAN GALEB
17. Ranko Marinković: THE HANDS AND CYCLOPS
18. Slobodan Novak: SCENTS, GOLD, AND INCENSE
19. Hermann Hesse: STEPE WOLVE
20. Antun Šoljan: THE SHORT TRIP
21. Vitomir Lukić: THE DREAMBOOK OF A SMILING SOUL
22. Ivo Brešan: HAMLET IN THE VILLAGE OF MRDUŠA DONJI
23. Ivan Aralica: DOGS IN THE MARKET or THE SLEEPLESS PATH
24. Nedjeljko Fabrio: PRACTICING LIFE OR MORTAL DRILL
25. Pavao Pavličić: CORAL GATE
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Jessica Kelly4 said:The Voice of the Council actually ran a totally fine, positive piece on Harry Potter.
But there's always some idiot out there. No doubt about it. 🤷
I know those types personally—I shut them down immediately. 🙂

Well, like I was saying... I believe I read that very same piece myself.
Of course, there will always be someone eager to lecture everyone else—but generally speaking, the Church doesn't have an issue with Potter.

Actually, it feels a bit silly even to write that, because I honestly can't see what they would find objectionable in the first place.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:Are you aware that Harry Potter is actually pretty hated in certain religious circles? 😬

I don't know, personally I feel like by age 15, kids are mature enough to just grit their teeth and get through a book. If they aren't given something engaging, they might end up hating reading altogether.
That’s why I think middle school reading lists should lean more toward pop lit; the goal there should be to hook them on reading. High school can then shift toward more formal education and general culture. 🤷

Oh, I wouldn't say "loathed"... perhaps among that old guard, sure, but I personally haven't heard of anyone actually causing an uproar over HP.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:Man, I’ll organize books like Judith or Shakespeare—works that are basically unreadable because of the archaic language—but Kafka? That feels different.
Well, I’ve been an avid reader since elementary school!
The list definitely needs some tweaking, but we shouldn't just toss out everything that isn't a massive bestseller.

As for me, I thought Shakespeare was absolutely brilliant; the language never really bothered me. But Kafka? My goodness, that is quite possibly the most tedious book ever written. Even if you could actually follow the prose, it doesn't save it from being a total bore.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Peter Doyle2 said:Well, I'll weigh in too...

I HATE ASSIGNED READING!!! 😠

There, I finally said it. 🤣

The story goes like this:
Ever since my mom signed me up for a card at the local public library back before first grade, I basically spent my entire childhood with my nose stuck in a book. Elementary school reading lists were actually fine—they weren't enough for me, though, so I just read whatever else I could find.
I used to love books and reading; I was never late returning anything. In fact, I’d probably be sprinting to the library a month before my books were even due because I’d already finished everything and needed something new. 🤣

And then came high school. 🙂

It killed me. Literally. They aren't sane!!!! It completely soured books for me. I mean, how are they supposed to encourage eloquence or literacy by essentially torturing us with works written in some archaic, regional dialect we can't even grasp?! I hated those assignments (they were at their worst in junior year—just total gibberish). I never understood them, and they absolutely crushed my desire to read. I mean, how are you supposed to get into a story, or a character, or even follow the plot when you have to flip to a glossary for every second word?! Honestly.
Okay, look, these are important works. Historical masterpieces. I get that.
But are we really going to stay this broken if we just cover them through a quick lecture in class instead of making them mandatory reading?

Anyway, it took me nearly ten years to recover from the trauma of high school reading lists before I could pick up a book again.
Isn't that sad?!

Now, I'm devouring books again. I love reading; I spend almost every spare moment doing it. I probably could have read a mountain of books if it hadn't been for that cursed high school curriculum. 😠 So, yeah, I truly feel scarred by those assignments. They basically robbed me of ten years because of the intense aversion they caused me. 🙄

oh, I am right there with you..
I was exactly the same way in grade school, flying through anything I could get my hands on. My English teacher used to hold onto my books for weeks just to check if I had copied them from somewhere—she simply couldn't believe how fast I read or how well I wrote..

But high school.. it destroyed me.. I avoided as much as I possibly could (which was quite a lot) by using all sorts of tricks, but I couldn't escape Kafka. Even today, I feel nauseous just thinking about *The Metamorphosis* and *The Trial*. I honestly cannot wrap my head around what kind of moron decided to include that in a high school curriculum???
🤮
Is that stuff still being assigned in high schools?
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Nicholas King said:If I were to show up at your front door making threats—and then the police arrived and just "did nothing"—would you honestly sit there and tell me that filing a lawsuit makes no sense?

BTW, it would be pretty useful if we could get @drota over here to clarify whether an intervention like that can actually fly without any official reports being filed.

Look, I am not the principal of this school, and frankly, I couldn't care less how the administration decides to handle their internal affairs...
and that isn't even the point... you are getting hung up on things that are completely irrelevant...

The core issue was my observation regarding the comments from frupy and nosorog—that all your hard work is essentially wasted when you're dealing with parents who simply refuse to cooperate...

But since you are clearly such a brilliant individual with a rebuttal for absolutely everything—I am curious: how would *you* solve these systemic issues in the American education system when you have parents who are too busy being embarrassed by their children's behavior to actually help?
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Emily Gonzalez51 said:Schools must be able to defend themselves against the violent behavior of certain students. There needs to be protection for the other students, the school property, and even the teachers. As a parent, I refuse to send my child to an institution where they might face any form of abuse while the authorities simply stand by and fail to shut such behavior down immediately.

Well, look, the school does everything in its power... they sit down with the kid, they call the parents, they organize endless projects and seminars meant to prevent violence, they issue a first warning, then a second, then a third, they give them official reprimands...

al when those kids just don't care about warnings—not for the rules, not for their peers, and certainly not for their parents—then what? You give them a warning, and it's like you said nothing at all. They show up the next day right after they've beaten up another student or smashed a desk by jumping on it (and then the parents suddenly claim it was all just an accident 🙄).
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Nicholas King said:Could we perhaps get some specifics on this supposed "nothing"? I mean—did they just fail to show up entirely? Or did they arrive but neglected to file an official report? Maybe they didn't even issue a misdemeanor citation—even though, let’s be clear, making threats is a criminal offense in this country.

Did someone actually follow up with the precinct to check the status of the report you filed? Did anyone ask why a misdemeanor charge wasn't at least initiated?

the counterclaim wasn't filed—against what?

If his lawsuit is truly as baseless as you claim, then why is it even weighing on you?

Honestly, you should probably just hire an attorney, file your own suit regarding the threats, and handle it that way—why wouldn't you think that would be more effective than dealing with school suspensions or being summoned five, six, or seven times just to pick up your child?

Or, I suppose, maybe certain people just don't want the headache of confronting a "wild" parent. You know how it goes—that subtle attitude of, "Do you have any idea how much I earn?"... ☕

And isn't a school considered an institution as well?

They showed up, asked everyone to just disperse peacefully... and there wasn't even a single official report filed. No paperwork, nothing.

Nicholas King said:Could we perhaps get some specifics on this supposed "nothing"? I mean—did they just fail to show up entirely? Or did they arrive but neglected to file an official report? Maybe they didn't even issue a misdemeanor citation—even though, let’s be clear, making threats is a criminal offense in this country.

Did someone actually follow up with the precinct to check the status of the report you filed? Did anyone ask why a misdemeanor charge wasn't at least initiated?

the counterclaim wasn't filed—against what?

If his lawsuit is truly as baseless as you claim, then why is it even weighing on you?

Honestly, you should probably just hire an attorney, file your own suit regarding the threats, and handle it that way—why wouldn't you think that would be more effective than dealing with school suspensions or being summoned five, six, or seven times just to pick up your child?

Or, I suppose, maybe certain people just don't want the headache of confronting a "wild" parent. You know how it goes—that subtle attitude of, "Do you have any idea how much I earn?"... ☕

And isn't a school considered an institution as well?

There isn't any legal ground to stand on here, honestly. He can file whatever lawsuit he wants, but let’s be real—he isn't going to win a single thing.
Honestly, there isn't even any point in wasting my breath commenting on this second matter...
Nicholas King said:Could we perhaps get some specifics on this supposed "nothing"? I mean—did they just fail to show up entirely? Or did they arrive but neglected to file an official report? Maybe they didn't even issue a misdemeanor citation—even though, let’s be clear, making threats is a criminal offense in this country.

Did someone actually follow up with the precinct to check the status of the report you filed? Did anyone ask why a misdemeanor charge wasn't at least initiated?

the counterclaim wasn't filed—against what?

If his lawsuit is truly as baseless as you claim, then why is it even weighing on you?

Honestly, you should probably just hire an attorney, file your own suit regarding the threats, and handle it that way—why wouldn't you think that would be more effective than dealing with school suspensions or being summoned five, six, or seven times just to pick up your child?

Or, I suppose, maybe certain people just don't want the headache of confronting a "wild" parent. You know how it goes—that subtle attitude of, "Do you have any idea how much I earn?"... ☕

And isn't a school considered an institution as well?

Exactly what I was thinking. It’s just incredibly frustrating because, frankly, it feels like absolutely none of our institutions are actually doing their jobs lately. Not one single agency seems to be taking any real action at all.
The school, acting as a single entity nested within several larger administrative bodies, possesses the formal authority to issue written warnings and reprimands. And they certainly go ahead and exercise that power. However, in my estimation, such measures carry absolutely no weight whatsoever; they are effectively meaningless gestures that fail to produce any actual change.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:Sending a kid home like that basically puts them on the streets.
Not back with their parents, but out on the street.

I agree regarding the formal reprimands.🤷

Someone mentioned that in another country, when a student gets suspended, they're assigned an assistant or a mentor who works with them through the situation. (Maybe I'm imagining things, but that person would act as a role model for better behavior, so it isn't purely a punishment). That sounds okay to me, but banning a kid from school entirely after they mess up seems totally counterproductive.

Look, if we actually passed a law stating that a child under the age of 14 or 16 shouldn't be left home alone, then we would logically need the police or some other federal agency to step in and ensure that child is actually with their parents, rather than just wandering the streets unsupervised.

And while we're on the subject, it wouldn't hurt to mandate parenting seminars for the adults involved, too.
I find myself agreeing with the sentiment regarding the lack of accountability here.🤷

Honestly, everything feels broken...😢 not a single institution in this country seems to be functioning the way they are supposed to.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Nicholas King said:So, are you honestly suggesting that a father—one who actually instigated a fight involving his child—is going to suddenly become enlightened and reasonable after being hauled out of work half a dozen times?

I think you have to be kidding me...

i don't know

Exactly—you "don't know"—yet somehow that doesn't stop you from claiming the administration is helpless because they lack the "authority to take concrete action." Honestly, that is just incredibly unprofessional.

Did you call the police when the father stormed in and started making threats? Did you file a countersuit? Did you even notify NASA? The school has every single one of those powers at its disposal.

Of course, I don't expect anyone to suddenly achieve spiritual enlightenment overnight, but perhaps—just perhaps—people might take a moment to actually reflect on their own behavior.

The police were called—though, let's be honest, they didn't actually do a damn thing—and the countersuit was never even filed. To what end? I can't speak to exactly how NASA handles things in this specific instance, but I certainly know how they operate in others; you file a report, and of course, NASA just sits on its hands. Nothing changes. Things remain exactly as they were.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Nicholas King said:It leads to a very logical question: what specific powers are schools lacking—powers they *should* actually possess—that would allow these cases to be resolved in the blink of an eye? I mean, let's get specific: what should a school be able to do, but currently isn't allowed to do?

To start with, maybe some kind of suspension...

If a kid screws up, the parents should be automatically called to come pick them up and take them home immediately. For many people, leaving work is going to be incredibly inconvenient, and then they’re stuck wondering what on earth their child is supposed to be doing for the next seven days while they're barred from school. If nothing else, perhaps that inconvenience might make them actually stop and think about why their child needs to be learning in the first place.

I mean, if you have to get pulled away from your job five, six, or seven times just to go fetch your kid from school, maybe it will finally sink in.🤷(Since, according to American law, children can't be left unsupervised at home until a certain age, a parent either has to stay home with the suspended child or find someone else to watch them.)

I don't know, that’s just the first thing that comes to mind. I’m sure a group of more brilliant minds could come up with much smarter ideas than mine.
But simply writing a warning or a reprimand on a piece of paper doesn't mean anything to these kids (or their parents). That is the only thing schools are allowed to do right now. It's the only sanction available.

And frankly, it's complete nonsense.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:But what does "cooperation" actually look like to you or the teachers? How exactly would a cooperative parent change the vibe in the classroom? In what way would that actually make your job easier?
Has anyone here actually dealt with a supportive parent who managed to turn things around in class? What did that process look like for you? 🙂

We recently dealt with a situation involving an eighth grader—he physically attacked another student, which sparked a full-blown fight. It wasn't an isolated incident; it was just the breaking point after a long string of disruptive behavior, including verbal abuse, arguing with teachers and peers, constant interruptions during lessons, and bullying younger kids.

He was issued a formal reprimand...

The very next day, the boy's father storms into the school. He starts threatening the homeroom teachers, barges into the Principal's office to intimidate her, and then goes as far as filing a lawsuit against the school.

I find myself wondering: where does this aggressive behavior stem from? Where does this level of sheer insolence come from, especially when it’s been going on for years? To me, the answer seems painfully obvious... one can clearly see where the child picked up such an attitude and these behavioral patterns.

That was frupy's point—you could organize five hundred different school projects focused on non-violence, tolerance, and cooperation, and you could talk to these students until you're blue in the face, but if the child returns to a home environment that actively encourages this kind of aggression, the efforts are essentially neutralized.

And what is the end result? Nothing. That student continues to bully his classmates, and the school is left powerless. A paper reprimand might as well be nothing more than last year's snow because we simply don't have the legal authority to take more concrete action.

On the flip side, you have those students who mess up, but they have parents at home who are self-aware enough to realize their child is in the wrong and are willing to work on teaching them appropriate behavior. In those cases—every project, every conversation, and all that hard work you put in actually feels meaningful.
Elementary school teachers in Students & Teens ·
Sarah James4 said:That all holds water... I agree that teaching is a "calling"... but we're dealing with structural, social, and other issues... things that plague our entire society, which show up most clearly in schools.

We have overcrowded classrooms, terrible school organization, high corruption... and general social issues that everyone expects someone else to fix. When you tell someone they're just as responsible for corruption as the person who sent them an "order" from above to make sure a certain kid gets XYZ, people lose it. They claim they're different... they say they're just following orders...

The professionals, along with the parents, have to lead the change... if they won't, who will?
Things aren't going to fix themselves, and there isn't some Secretary of Education who can solve everything alone.

People are most sensitive regarding their children, especially since kids spend more time with teachers than with their own families. That's why it feels like everyone is "attacking" the staff.

We need to move past collective parental blame and start doing one-on-one meetings... guarantee privacy and dignity... cap classes at 20-22 students, reshuffle classes every two years, and rotate lead teachers every year... there are things we could actually do if there was any willpower, and there are perfectly good reasons for all of this.

I'm honestly quite confused by that last part...😕
One-on-one meetings are what we call parent-teacher conferences, and every single school, grade level, and teacher already conducts them. Parent meetings—the group kind—are something else entirely; those aren't meant for debating grades, but rather for discussing topics that affect all parents in that grade... things like field trips, the yearly curriculum, and similar ongoing "logistical issues."
Conferences are always held one-on-one and remain completely private,,,

And how on earth do you propose changing homeroom teachers every year? Typically, one professor leads their assigned class for four years. First, they take them from 1st through 4th grade, then another takes over from 5th through 8th. What would even be the point of changing that? What would actually improve if a new teacher arrived every single year, other than the fact that they wouldn't know their students at all? It would take them an eternity just to figure out the classroom dynamic while trying to establish any semblance of communication or trust with the parents..

Furthermore, the number of children in a classroom is determined solely by the Department of Education, and no individual school has any say in that matter. There are strict state regulations regarding the minimum and maximum number of students allowed per class. If the situation arises where two classes can be filled with 30 students each, a school cannot simply decide on its own to split them into three classes of 20.
Elementary school teachers in Students & Teens ·
Kimberly Robinson2 said:So, I just got off the phone with the teacher.

Here’s the deal.
She thought he had just forgotten to bring it. When she asked him why he wasn't buying anything, he just said he didn't have any money and went quiet—though he did mention he’d love to eat it. So, she just lent it to him. She told him to just pay her back whenever he can.
I told her I’d follow up with him tomorrow, but she seemed to think there was no real rush.

Anyway, here’s what actually happened...
I explained to her again exactly what kind of mess I'm in right now—I even showed her my leg and how bad the stress sores look—and asked why she hadn't realized I wouldn't be coming back to talk to her. I told her that since nothing has changed since we last spoke, it's honestly embarrassing to keep walking in there and telling people I'm at my absolute breaking point. My strength and my nerves are just gone.

I also brought up that permission slip thing. Honestly, when you've driven 50 or 60 kids over to McDonald's, you'd think they could throw in one free meal for the trouble! They made a killing off that trip; they aren't going to go broke over one burger and a handful of fries.
She claimed she had no idea about that part.

She said I should come by next time to let her know—if things are still this bad—and she'll just report one fewer student.

Look, I told her I felt terrible about how everything turned out. I knew this would happen, and if I had known, I would have just lent him the cash myself.
I also pointed out that when someone is offering you money, you aren't exactly going to say "no"... even though I've asked him a hundred times already. But once someone else shoves it in his pocket, suddenly, oh, it's just enough for ice cream.
Truth be told, if someone shoved cash into my hand, I wouldn't say no either...😁

It's a different situation, though. Clearly, in that moment, caught up in the smells coming from McDonald's, he didn't stop to realize he hadn't actually been given anything. Now, it's done.

And yeah, I asked her why it’s become such a trend to head to McDonald's all the time.
She just says kids love it... and well, whatever. Kids love all sorts of things these days.

Anyway, the matter is settled.

Well, there you have it... the woman is perfectly reasonable and kind-hearted. The little guy just didn't have anything on him, so she lent it to him. It’s quite funny how people are making such a massive deal out of this when the reality is so simple...😁
Elementary school teachers in Students & Teens ·
Timothy Morris28 said:😲😲😲 So, following that logic, the teacher ought to go out of her way to protect the aggressor, because why should a woman nearing retirement deal with such harassment and fear? By that same flawed reasoning, why would police officers bother arresting criminals or judges bother sentencing them? After all, once those convicts are released, any citizen could simply hunt them down and settle the score themselves.🤷
...I mean, I recognize that the situation is undeniably unpleasant... but there are established systems for a reason. There is a police department for this; a parent who resorts to intimidation should simply be reported to the authorities.🤷

I honestly have no clue what that woman is supposed to do now, or how she’ll even handle it if it happens again... she actually called the police, too—and yet, they did absolutely nothing at all..
How do you think she's feeling right now..? Or consider the guy who was being openly and falsely blackmailed by some crazy woman with pedophilia accusations?
Well, honestly, forget it; everyone nowadays just wants to keep their head down and make it back home to their kids in one piece.. that's probably why there are so many "five-star" ratings lately; people have realized it's better to play along than to risk getting beaten up...
Elementary school teachers in Students & Teens ·
Regardless of what the original poster says, I can't help but wonder if the story her child told her is actually 100% accurate and truthful... Kids have this way of twisting entire situations, whether they realize it or not, and you end up dealing with a much bigger mess and a misunderstanding far worse than reality.

Ariana Grande—I feel like there’s been more than enough coverage in the news about parents threatening teachers, parents physically assaulting professors, or even those who show up to school armed... and so on, and so forth. When you work in an environment where these things are becoming increasingly common, it is perfectly natural to fear which parent might act out next. You find yourself wondering if you're going to be the one who ends up getting screwed over... so you just take the path of least resistance. You give them an A if you genuinely fear that dealing with a crazy dad might cause you real problems—because, oh boy, imagine if he loses it because his kid got a B in English instead of an A.

—I know of a case where a mother openly demanded an unearned grade for her daughter in math. And no, she didn't even want her child to at least earn the grade (honestly, the student was hovering between a C and a B)—she explicitly told the school board that she would go to the local news outlets and claim that the teacher had "touched" her daughter...
What are you supposed to do in that situation?
—I once worked at a school located right near a hospital... a little girl who was heading home from the hospital was complaining about how she had been assigned a new teacher who was "ugly, old, and mean." It was only the beginning of the school year, so I couldn't fathom how the child knew anything about the new teacher—since she hadn't even met her yet—and then the girl admitted herself that her mom was the one who told her all that.😕
How are we expected to expect that child to ever love or respect this new teacher when her mother planted those ideas in her head right from the jump?
—Just a few weeks ago, an eighth grader at my school beat up a boy in his class while three other kids stood lookout to make sure nobody walked in... They were given disciplinary warnings, but the very next day, after the notices were sent out, the father showed up. He started screaming at the homeroom teacher and threatened her, demanding she erase the incident from the record (as if she even has that power, or as if she made the decision herself). Now he’s filed a lawsuit against the school. He has no idea what legal grounds he’s even using, and frankly, it doesn't matter whether he wins or loses (he won't), but what does that poor teacher need in her life? She's 60 years old, looking forward to retirement, and just wants to relax—why should she have to live in fear of whether that dad is going to corner her in the parking lot and punch her in the face next time???
—Once, a mother actually attacked me because her son received a failing grade on a project—specifically because it was the third time he failed to turn in homework, a rule established at the start of the year. To be honest, for this third assignment, the boy claimed his mom accidentally threw it into the fireplace (🤦), and the mother attacked me, claiming it was MY obligation to call her personally and verify if she really did throw the homework away...
I couldn't explain to the woman that it wasn't my job to hunt down every single parent and verify if their kid's homework was actually eaten by the family dog. Besides—who is going to pay for my extra phone bill?? But she still insisted that it was my responsibility.🤣
These are just some very recent examples from my relatively short career in education... but these kinds of things happen every single day in every school, and they are happening more and more frequently...
And quite simply, when you work in an atmosphere like that, in an environment like that—you just become afraid. Truly afraid. No joke. Especially if you're a woman, or younger... well... in that case, it really is easier to just hand out an A if they ask for it. Because you think to yourself—what do I have to gain? Is it worth risking someone waiting for me outside and breaking my teeth? So, fine, here's your A—in the hope that one day these parents will realize what kind of idiots they've turned their children into (though, unfortunately, they probably never will).