Posts by graniteharbor502

ruggedhawk20 said:Among the contenders, only Pironi suffered an injury, while the tragic loss of Villeneuve was the only fatality (though we might as well set aside the Palettia situation, as even if he had survived, he wouldn't have been a decisive factor in the title race)

All the other championship hopefuls made it to the end of the season healthy and sound.

That would be Piquet, Lauda, Prost, Mansell, Alboreto, and Arnoux.

The true "problem" of the 1982 season wasn't Villeneuve or Pironi. The real issue was that Ferrari, Renault, McLaren, Williams, Brabham, and even Tyrrell were all genuinely competitive.

At the start of the year, Prost was dominating in the Renault. In many ways, Prost was the greatest loser of that season because he was the one who truly should have walked away with the title. The Renault was actually a superior car to the Ferrari. Unfortunately, during that 1982 campaign, Prost seemed far more preoccupied with Larrousse's wife than with his driving. So, strictly speaking, the Renault was better than the Ferrari—perhaps by a hair, but better nonetheless. As for the naturally aspirated cars, they were all right there in the mix. McLaren and Williams were the class of the field, followed closely by Tyrrell and the Brabham that ran on Ford atmospheric engines; meanwhile, those running the BMW turbos actually produced something even faster than the McLaren or the Williams. If I were to rank them, my order would look something like this:

1) Renault
2) Ferrari
3) McLaren - Ford
4) Brabham - BMW
5) Williams - Ford
6) Brabham - Ford
7) Tyrrell - Ford

These were all cars that tasted victory during the 1982 season, plus the Lotus—though I won't include them in my list since, when looking at things realistically, that car just wasn't a true contender that year.

Furthermore, no single driver managed to win more than two races, either by count or by frequency. It is quite an anomaly. No other season in history has ever seen such a wide dispersion of winners as 1982. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the death of Villeneuve—who, let’s be honest, was never quite destined to be a world champion anyway—nor does it have anything to do with Pironi's broken legs.

It stems from the fact that seven different competitive teams—including the Lotus—all managed to secure wins throughout the 1982 season.

Nico Rosberg didn't clinch the title because Villeneuve and Pironi were out of the picture; he won because he simply accumulated the most points.

And you can rest assured that even if Villeneuve and Pironi had both reached the end of the season unscathed, neither of them would have become the champion.

The title would have gone to either Prost or Rosberg.

And don't let Pironi's 39 points deceive you—in a hypothetical scenario where Villeneuve lived (and Pironi remained whole), Villeneuve would have likely taken at least 10 of those 39 points.

In that case, Pironi would have finished that imaginary season with 29 plus the 11 he would have earned after Hockenheim, totaling 40.

Bravo, Joe!

Jason Campbell70 said:Either you are the fastest, or you are a loser.

Or, perhaps, you are Keke Rosberg—the only man whose primary title favorites suffer injuries or death, allowing him to snatch the championship with a single victory.

How many races did Rosberg lead during 1982?
And what is the first thing that comes to mind when I say blue and red?

Robert Cox46 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2bLIgJDNxE

Having sat through that footage, I find myself somewhat perplexed by Alonso's specific commentary, where he remarked, "Jenson Button took the opportunity at the end with one of his banzai moves to gain two places."

http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/1822...gh-for-Ferrari

If we are truly going to label someone's driving style as "banzai," shouldn't we be looking directly at Alonso instead?

steelmaker83 said:There is absolutely zero hope for Sebastian Vettel. He first has to prove he can outpace his own teammate, and only then could he even begin to dream of challenging those two from Mercedes.

And let’s be honest, he’s currently slower than all three of them combined.

It is just pure, unadulterated futility.

By the way, since we have officially moved on from that topic, I wonder, how many anomalies did you happen to notice during this particular race?

But really, you, I, and even Tibi all know deep down that Vettel would have snatched the victory if he hadn't gotten stuck behind Nico Hülkenberg. After all, wasn't the German ahead of the Australian during qualifying...

Jason Campbell70 said:Click on the image.

Thanks!

And actually, I managed to catch the difference in top speed on the straight between Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton:

Jason Campbell70 said:If you would just take a moment to watch the on-board footage from Vettel's car, I believe you would finally grasp the sheer level of skill he displayed during that maneuver.

Does anyone happen to have a link for that?

ruggedhawk20 said:Since you’ve gone ahead and asked me directly, I suppose I really ought to provide you with an answer, shouldn't I?

No, I am certainly not one of those people who spends their time shouting from the stands or throwing bananas at the track.

To be perfectly honest, I don't follow football at all. In fact, I have never once stepped foot inside a stadium to watch a live match in my entire life. I find myself wondering, quite sincerely, if anyone actually knows the specifics—for instance, does a football team even consist of ten players or eleven?

I find myself utterly uninterested in the spectacle of football. Is it not, perhaps, a rather pedestrian pursuit for a rather pedestrian populace? It seems to be a pastime reserved exclusively for the masses—those burdened by both spiritual emptiness and material scarcity. I suppose I should be more charitable, but I cannot help but view those who live for such trivialities as nothing more than simpletons, though I say that with all the affection in my heart.

To me, football feels somewhat akin to a bowl of burnt soup or perhaps living one's life entirely on credit. I find myself wondering, is there any true substance left once the char takes over? For someone like myself, who considers himself an aristocrat, such trifles are quite unnecessary; I have no need for burnt soup, nor do I require the burden of debt... and certainly, I have no need for football.

I believe I see the point you are attempting to make, though I must respectfully disagree. No, I am certainly not a racist. I hold the firm conviction that every single individual possesses equal worth, and I have never once allowed skin color to influence my perceptions or actions. To me, the specific shade of an individual's skin is a completely inconsequential detail. We are all fundamentally equal, are we not? In my eyes, every person stands on level ground, possessing the exact same inherent value.

I find myself contemplating the various distinctions that exist between people, yet I am increasingly convinced that these differences have absolutely nothing to do with skin color. Instead, I perceive a profound divide rooted in poverty—specifically, a certain spiritual impoverishment. Is it not evident in those who possess a narrow, one-dimensional perspective on the world around them? One sees it in a lack of intellectual cultivation, in an unyielding adherence to rigid dogmas, or in those who place their faith in mere superstition and fortune-telling rather than reason. Does such a shallow way of existing not represent the truest form of deprivation?

I hold a firm, unwavering belief in the principles of science and in everything that can be rigorously proven through empirical evidence. Luck, if one is being honest, simply isn't a scientific category, is it? To suggest that Rosberg holds such a commanding lead in the standings merely because he has been blessed by fortune is, quite frankly, an absurdity. If we look at the data, why else would Rosberg maintain this significant points advantage unless it were because he is the superior driver—a more complete driver, if you will? His position in the championship standings clearly reflects this reality. On the other hand, one cannot deny that Lewis is the faster driver—significantly faster, in fact—which is evidenced by his impressive tally of pole positions and race wins. But when all is said and done, what truly matters in this sport? It is the points. And therefore, it follows that Rosberg is the better driver, while Lewis remains the faster one.

One could argue that Alain Prost was arguably the superior driver, even if Ayrton Senna possessed a raw, blistering speed that was second to none. When they were teammates, it was always the case that Prost managed to amass more points than Senna did. It makes one wonder, though—if the regulations from 1988 were still in effect today, where not every single point counted toward the total, wouldn't Lewis have had a much better shot at securing the championship? Under those old rules, he might actually be able to afford a few zeros in his tally. But under our current system, where every single point is weighted so heavily, every time Lewis fails to score, those lost points go directly into Rosberg's pocket.

Rosberg knows exactly which hand he’s playing, and that is precisely why he remains such a formidable force. Is it not obvious that his intellect is his greatest asset? He possesses the keen awareness that attempting to outpace his rivals through raw speed alone would be a losing gamble, so instead, he chooses to master the art of reliability. Why chase a fleeting moment of velocity when one can secure victory through sheer, unwavering consistency?

When one considers the fundamental differences between the two, it seems quite evident that Rosberg possesses a certain calculated precision—a thoroughness of mind, perhaps even a deeper spiritual richness—that stands in stark contrast to Lewis. One cannot ignore the lineage at play here, can one? Rosberg’s father is a true icon of global motorsport, a world champion whose very presence commands respect. Meanwhile, Lewis’s father remains a legend of the third shift. It stands to reason, does it not, that growing up under the guidance of a world champion would allow Rosberg to experience a more refined upbringing, providing him with a distinct advantage in his psychological and physical development?

Does it not strike one as curious how often we misattribute fundamental character flaws to superficial traits like skin color, when in reality, the true culprit is almost always an individual's underlying philosophy toward life? Is it not more likely that the divergence in performance stems from how one manages their priorities? One might see a parent who chooses to live far beyond their means, sacrificing a child’s essential education and holistic psychological development just to chase some fleeting, elite athletic glory. On the other hand, there are those who understand the necessity of equilibrium, carefully balancing rigorous training with a solid academic foundation. If we look at the history of the sport, did Rosberg not demonstrate this very sense of balance between his sporting pursuits and his intellectual growth, ultimately finding a successful middle ground? In contrast, was Lewis's father not somewhat lacking in that particular area of stability? It seems to me that we are left with a rather unbalanced and undereducated Lewis today, someone whose temperament leads to frequent incidents both on the track and in his life off it.

There are many points where I find myself in complete agreement with you, yet when you assert that Ayrton Senna possessed a superior raw pace compared to Alain Prost, one cannot ignore the undeniable evidence found in Senna's staggering dominance during qualifying sessions. I simply do not witness that same level of singular brilliance from Lewis Hamilton this season—nor, if my memory serves me correctly, did we see him absolutely overpowering Nica in qualifying last year either. While Rosberg certainly possesses remarkable speed, he also brings an exceptional level of intelligence and consistency to the cockpit; conversely, it seems to me that Lewis lacks those latter two qualities when measured against Rosberg. Ultimately, isn't it precisely those specific attributes that will decide the outcome of the championship?

ruggedhawk20 said:Oh, just let them talk. It’s obvious they're just grasping at straws.

One person seems to believe Grand Prix racing is nothing more than a game of chance, while the other argues it’s far wiser to avoid a crash in the chicane rather than chasing after a massive haul of points at any cost.

🤣

Canada really should have been Hamilton's track to claim, shouldn't it? And yet, Rosberg completely outclassed him, even during qualifying. 😂

You harbored such an intense disdain for him that you could scarcely tolerate anyone crossing his path before he had finished his business, yet you were always in such a desperate hurry to see it all concluded. And on that particular day, I imagine your expression darkened even further... or perhaps it was simply a matter of the elements being against us...
Five minutes... fifth gear... but there was that single unit disrupting the entire harmony... or perhaps it was merely confirming the will of the gods...

Edward Howard2 said:Max absolutely cleaned out the sportsbook...

Max, we are only at the seventh race and you are already bragging about your parlay wins? 😍
Well, let it be; I am actually quite glad to see you coming out on top for once. 👍

Edward Howard2 said:even though I didn't really care who won before Monaco, I think I would much rather see Nico Rosberg take the win now... 😁

Perhaps you and I could find some common ground and root for the same driver for once? 😁

Edward Howard2 said:as far as Red Bull Racing is concerned...
Daniel Ricciardo started in 6th and went on to win the race... proving to us that it is entirely possible to win with a Red Bull Racing car even when starting from a position lower than third, which is a revelation since we apparently never knew such a thing was possible...
Meanwhile, the fraud started third and finished third...

Well, life is unpredictable; sometimes luck is on your side, and sometimes it simply isn't. As much as I adore Daniel Ricciardo, he was truly unfortunate this time around. First, there was the interference with Sebastian Vettel during the pit stops, and then, at the most critical moment, Sergio Perez had to reset his system, just as the Australian was making his move to overtake him.

ruggedhawk20 said:That aristocrat performed fantastically. Simply crude. I have no doubts whatsoever regarding the championship outcome. Lewis Hamilton simply lacks the mental fortitude required to beat Alain Prost—pardon me, Nico Rosberg. It is true, Lewis Hamilton is fast, exceptionally fast, but he lacks the intellect. Even a fly is fast, incredibly fast, yet it does not go on to win Grand Prix races. Speed alone is insufficient to secure a championship victory. Lewis Hamilton might end the season with more individual wins than Nico Rosberg, but he will not have more points. And in the end, it is the points that count.

It will be quite fascinating to read the arguments of those who idolize Prost while refusing to acknowledge Nico Rosberg as being equally talented.

Emily Patel64 said:that stoic Nico keeps relentlessly belittling all things luxury with his cold, detached demeanor

Straight into the heart of the fray with ruggedhawk20 and Emily Patel64👍

Well then, I suppose it is high time I officially kick off my season of betting picks!

Jenson Button vs. Kevin Magnussen
Jean-Éric Vergne vs. Daniil Kvyat
Daniel Ricciardo vs. Sebastian Vettel

Chris Robinson25 said:Is Ferrari actually performing poorly?

Bottas was driving a car that was twenty times faster than Alonso's, yet he still got overtaken quite easily. 🙂>

It seems you clearly overlooked that specific detail. 😁>

For a team that has been establishing itself as the third strongest contender in the standings during these recent races, shouldn't one reasonably expect much more significant results from these so-called upgrades?
And as for Bottas, he was dealing with those same engine issues, wasn't he? So, please, don't try to lecture me about overtakes. 🙄

What a race 🙏🙏:

This is exactly the kind of Formula 1 we all live for, isn't it? It had absolutely everything—the sudden retirements, the heavy crashes, those nail-biting overtakes, and such incredibly dramatic turns of fortune 😁

Ricciardo 🙏
Rosberg 🙏 Prostovski managed to drive through some serious technical issues, ultimately salvaging a really solid position in the race. But then again, they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I can't help but believe that Nico Rosberg will go on to secure yet another title this year
Vettel 🙏
Button 🙏🙏 what a masterful performance, truly nothing short of masterful

The Ferraris were looking quite poor 😢

Canada 2014.

1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Nico Rosberg
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Kimi Räikkönen
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Fernando Alonso
7. Valtteri Bottas
8. Felipe Massa
9. Kevin Magnussen
10. Jenson Button

jadeseal7 said:Come on, come on, they finally sorted that issue out during the second session, which is why he managed to find that extra bit of pace. 🙂

😁

And it seems we are once again facing those familiar setbacks with Kimi's car during the first practice session 🙂

It appears that Ferrari isn't looking particularly bad at all; even Sebastian Vettel seems to be finding some footing. One can't help but wonder, though—will they actually be able to maintain this level of performance when the pressure of qualifying really begins to mount?

rowdyrider12 said:And Jenson Button was driving his 2011 car at the Hungaroring... 🙂

We all know exactly how that story ended, don't we? 😁

Roger Wright94 said:Honestly, one trophy would be just about perfect—no more, no less.

If only things worked out that easily for us!

cosmichawk12 said:Unless there is some sort of unexpected mechanical failure, I really can't see what might stop Lewis from absolutely dominating this track for a fourth time.

What about Nico Rosberg? 🤷

By the way, I was just thinking about how Kimi Räikkönen is actually approaching his 200th race 🎉

A reflective look back at the history of the Canadian Grand Prix:
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2014/6/15901.html

When on earth will we finally see the Grand Prix Canada take place?