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Race Rating: 8/10
Ricciardo 🙏
Bottas 🙏
Kimi 🙏

Following Hamilton's aggressive defensive moves back in Bahrain and Canada, it seems Rosberg decided he simply wasn't going to be pushed around in this duel on the track. Was his execution a bit clumsy? Perhaps, quite honestly, but was it effective? Certainly, because Hamilton definitely received the message loud and clear.
steelmaker83 said:Everyone completely botched their fast laps; Sebastian managed to finish his first one looking pretty mediocre and well below what the car is actually capable of, while the second driver messed up and had to retire, and both Alonso and Richard went wide and ended up setting times similar to Sebastian's without even needing to spin out.

Given the track conditions, Red Bull was right there on the heels of Mercedes, though it seems their drivers just couldn't quite find their rhythm when it mattered most.

I wouldn't rule that possibility out entirely, but if what Sebastian told the press after qualifying holds any water, then perhaps neither the Australian nor the German truly underperformed:
Q: Sebastian, you mentioned driving this circuit, in these conditions, with low downforce and it did seem that Red Bull had decided to run quite low levels of downforce, obviously thinking ahead to tomorrow's grand prix. Is that the case?
SV: Yep!

Q: And how did that feel? A gamble clearly…
SV: It was very tricky in the wet. We knew it would be even trickier obviously when qualifying is wet, qualifying was wet so we can confirm it was trickier – but the reason behind it is fairly simple: we know that we are down on power, obviously Mercedes can run a lot more wing level and they have a very strong car this year, you have to admit, so they have a lot of downforce but they can still take that wing onto the straights. If we do that I think we are similar in the corners but quite a long way off on the straights and therefore vulnerable in the race. So, I think that's the reasoning behind it, and in the wet probably it hurt us a bit more, but hopefully tomorrow we'll be closer in terms of race pace and closer to them than in the last couple of races.
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
VN Beldžija
1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel
4. Ricciardo
5. Bottas
6. Button
7. Alonso
8. Magnussen
9. Raikkonen
10. Massa
It seems the issues with Kimijev's car have resurfaced yet again🙂

Even at a turn as demanding as Eau Rouge, drivers are still attempting to power through at full throttle, aren't they?

With rain in the forecast for tomorrow, we might just be looking at a rather unpredictable qualifying session.
Raymond Anderson4 said:

☕

And honestly, who wouldn't fall in love with Formula 1... I mean, really, who could possibly resist a place like Spa...
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
Two groups, or perhaps three? Honestly, I find myself quite indifferent toward either arrangement; both options seem perfectly acceptable to me.
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
Canadian Grand Prix
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Nico Rosberg
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Daniel Ricciardo
5. Kimi Raikkonen
6. Fernando Alonso
7. Valtteri Bottas
8. Kevin Magnussen
9. Jenson Button
10. Felipe Massa
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
Congratulations Jamie Hall 🙏
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
Jamie Hall said:Here are the final 😁

Vergne vs Kvyat
Lewis Hamilton - Nico Rosberg
Jenson Button - Kevin Magnussen

Jean-Éric Vergne vs Daniil Kvyat
Lewis Hamilton - Nico Rosberg
Jenson Button
- Kevin Magnussen
2014 Super Bowl in Formula 1 ·
Fernando Alonso vs Kimi Raikkonen
Is it even worth pondering the sheer gap between Daniel Ricciardo and Sebastian Vettel? One finds oneself staring at the telemetry and wondering how such a disparity in raw pace can exist within the same era of competition.
Romain Grosjean vs Pastor Maldonado
neonfox65 said:Fernando Alonso has achieved something that absolutely no one else dared to attempt—he has finally unseated the legendary Michael Schumacher from his throne! 👋

That championship title from 2006, back when Michael Schumacher was still reigning at the absolute peak of his powers and in such incredible form, feels far more meaningful to me than all four of those subsequent four-time titles that felt like nothing more than organized deceptions, don't you think? 👋

So, if we consider the moment when Alonso managed to outmaneuver Schumacher—which really feels like a spiritual revisit to the days of Mika Hakkinen—one might argue that such a feat is nothing short of legendary, is it not? Yet, somehow, when Vettel comes along and absolutely dominates that very same legend for five consecutive seasons, racking up four world titles in the process, suddenly the narrative shifts and everyone acts as if it’s just common business, almost trivial. I find myself wondering, where exactly did all the logic vanish to in that transition? 😂

steelmaker83 said:To be perfectly honest, one has to wonder if we are truly paying enough attention to the statistics, because isn't it quite clear that Alonso has never once been the weaker driver when compared to his own teammate? He consistently holds his own, regardless of the machinery provided. Meanwhile, looking at the trajectory of Vettel, it seems he is firmly on the right path toward greatness...

I was thinking along these lines:
Is there anything more disheartening than watching the fundamental spirit of respect vanish from a sport we all hold so dear? I find myself sitting here, reflecting on the recent developments, and I cannot help but wonder if we are witnessing a slow erosion of the decorum that once defined the pinnacle of racing. When one considers the history of this sport, isn't it true that the rivalry was always meant to be a battle of wits and skill, rather than a series of petty grievances and lack of regard for one's peers? It seems to me that the tension currently brewing between certain drivers has crossed a line from healthy competition into something far more unsettling. How can we expect the next generation to uphold the traditions of greatness when the current icons seem so intent on undermining one another? It brings to mind those classic eras where even the fiercest competitors shared a quiet, unspoken understanding of mutual dignity. Is that concept truly dead in the modern era, or are we simply blinded by the spectacle of the conflict? One has to ask oneself: at what point does the pursuit of victory become an excuse for losing one's integrity?

It isn’t exactly groundbreaking to see Vettel trailing behind his teammate during the season, is it? One could argue that this pattern is becoming somewhat predictable. If one truly wishes to understand why the Spanish driver consistently finds himself outscored by his own teammate, perhaps we ought to look back at the 2004 season for perspective. It all comes down to the Trulli factor, doesn't it?
neonfox65 said:Well, it seems we have arrived at yet another revelation, doesn't it? It appears that they are finally attempting to sabotage Vettel, though one has to wonder if they have truly grasped the gravity of the situation—specifically, whether they realize they are dealing with nothing less than a quadruple deception. 🤣

You are more than welcome to sit there and vent your frustrations or hurl insults if that makes you feel better, but the reality remains unchanged: Sebastian Vettel achieved things that your personal favorite simply will never reach. 😍
First of all, I really think we should stop being so critical of the drivers; I don't know about all of you, but personally, I found that duel absolutely thrilling.
Secondly, perhaps we could all start utilizing these resources if we want to avoid spreading misinformation:
http://macofan.com/en/index.php?page...nando%20Alonso

When you look at the data, it becomes quite clear that Alonso pitted eight laps before Vettel to pick up a fresh set of tires, whereas Vettel was given a set of used rubber during his final pit stop. Even then, the actual difference in tire age wasn't nearly as significant as some might suggest.
Furthermore, if we observe the telemetry, we can see that both Alonso and Vettel actually clocked their fastest laps on the very last lap of the race, which implies that neither driver was struggling with tire degradation at all.

Thirdly, I truly hope we have many more intense battles like this one to look forward to throughout the rest of the season. 🙂
darkmarlin16 said:A ninth-place finish is basically just staying at the top of the pack, isn't it?

And you really did hit the nail on the head there. Their true reach was likely just about where they started in the first place. Not much more than that, really.
🤣
Jacob White49 said:Tires that are 9 laps older

That is simply incorrect

Jacob White49 said:without KERS (just ERS)

Did Sebastian Vettel not qualify in fourth place at Monaco without using KERS?

Jacob White49 said:Fuel saving

Unlike the other drivers who also had to manage their fuel consumption.

Jacob White49 said:Could you please attempt, just once, to provide an actual reasoned explanation as to why it would be unfortunate if he stayed behind, or is it true that you know nothing beyond mere provocation?

I find it rather regrettable to celebrate losing a position right there on the track, especially when coupled with insulting the driver who actually secured the Spanish driver's position.
Roger Wright94 said:But if you look closely at that bolded part, isn't it possible that there's a deeper connection waiting to be made?
My perspective on this is actually quite the opposite.

I brought that up initially because I simply cannot recall another instance where Alonso defended his position with such sheer, desperate tenacity following Monaco 2005. Back then, the intense struggle between him and Michael Schumacher felt like a symbolic passing of the torch, signaling the end of Schumacher's era—which, if we look at the facts, truly did see him go without another title after 2004.

Roger Wright94 said:Watching Alonso's performance this Sunday—and even observing how Ferrari handled themselves through most of the race—feels like seeing a light at the end of a very long tunnel for me. That whole display provides a sense of hope, doesn't it? It suggests that progress is being made and that Ferrari genuinely has the potential to reach higher levels, especially with Alonso behind the wheel.

While Ferrari displayed an absolutely stellar race pace, they really let things slip during qualifying, didn't they? It is such a shame about Kimi Räikkönen going off track; had he stayed in the fight, we would have gained such a profound understanding of just how much speed that Ferrari was truly capable of delivering.

Roger Wright94 said:If we were to describe it somewhat stylistically, it was akin to two—perhaps slightly agitated—dogs fighting over a discarded bone. It was a fierce contest, filled with brilliant maneuvers, and despite all the inevitable complaining, it remained a remarkably fair encounter. I am convinced that the lack of chaos wasn't primarily due to the nature of the two drivers themselves.

I find myself in complete agreement with that sentiment. The duel was incredibly intense, fought on the edge, yet managed to proceed without any contact whatsoever, which really speaks to the immense skill possessed by both champions, wouldn't you agree?
steelmaker83 said:Setting aside all the chatter on these message boards for a second, I must say it is actually quite refreshing to see the drivers fighting so hard for an insignificant 5th place, especially considering neither of them gains anything meaningful for their championship standings by doing so.

The reasoning behind it is perfectly obvious, isn't it? For both men, winning that specific duel was purely a matter of prestige. It was paramount for Sebastian Vettel, given the pressures placed upon him...

The entire experience was unfortunately soured by the broadcast director—the one responsible for what we saw on our screens. What exactly was the goal there? To trivialize the intensity of the fight? Or perhaps to cultivate this false impression that Vettel enjoys complaining? We are already well aware of that tendency... wouldn't it have been much more elegant if they had simply let us witness the battle in silence, allowing us to feel that nostalgic sense of the old days when we weren't constantly subjected to such commentary? (Though, to be fair, that doesn't mean those same drivers haven't complained plenty in the past.)

And there is one more thing to consider: regarding the fact that drivers seem to whine about every little grievance, they are arguably the least to blame. It is the FIA, with its endless web of regulations, rigid insistences, and sheer absurdity, that creates these circumstances; naturally, the drivers end up venting the frustration that follows.

Personally, I found the duel itself to be quite thrilling, though the level of complaining was truly unbearable. Furthermore, I find myself wondering why Fernando Alonso complained so much after the fact, even though he was clearly aware of his car's technical struggles.🤷
And yes, Sebastian Vettel didn't even manage to overtake him on the straight using DRS at the end.
It was a magnificent struggle, yet somehow, it feels strangely symbolic of the twilight of Alonso's career.
F1: Then vs. Now in Formula 1 ·
cosmichawk12 said:What was Mansell's greatest move?

That double-slap to Piquet at Silverstone—or maybe that door-to-door madness with Senna at 200mph in Barcelona... though honestly, it’s probably the most legendary overtake in the history of F1
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The Ronaldinho of motorsport ☕

If you ask me, this takes the prize for Mansell's finest moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYyq4lTvJNE
Bravo Bottas 🙏

I must admit, I was quite worried that Kimi might have suffered some sort of mechanical failure or perhaps an injury, but thankfully, it seems everything is perfectly fine.
Adam Chase41 said:Right after the collision, Kimi’s first thought was: is Felipe Massa alright? 🙏 🙏

🙏 🙏

On a different note, does anyone know when they're going to restart the race? My stream keeps buffering and stalling out on me. 😢