Posts by mistybear87

Jason Campbell70 said:That's my point too.

Whether it's the last race or not, it's obvious Massa has no shot at the title. He can pad his win count or his total points, but hey, he's part of Ferrari, and Ferrari is here strictly for the championship.
Every single race matters for the title, whether it's the first one or the last.

It's just easier to see clearly once the season starts winding down.

It isn't exactly common.

Senna - Prost, back in '89—and we all know how peacefully that ended. 😁
Then maybe '96, which ended with a wheel flying off. The result of all that "teamwork"? Who knows.🤷

For example—in 2008, Kovalainen clearly let Hamilton past several times without even fighting. The result? A few extra points for Hamilton, and ultimately, Hamilton wins the championship by a single point. Can we call Hockenheim 2008 a key race of that season?

😁

Pretty much so.

2008 is perhaps the clearest example. Losing a wheel happens all the time in various sports, and I'm sure there are at least a dozen similar instances in F1 over the last few years, but this one clearly decided the champion. Whether it was intentional or not, we'll never truly know; we can only speculate (though it's certainly not the first time something like that has happened to Williams...).

Jason Campbell70 said:I wouldn't be quite that extreme.

But it’s interesting how people always point to the Austrian GP 2002 as the textbook example of team orders.

A swap of positions that ended up yielding a completely insignificant 4 points for the final standings.

It was much more interesting—and far more critical for the title race—when championships were decided by a single point. And that has happened. Whether it was orchestrated by Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, or even Williams(😲 😁).

Let's be real: implementing team orders during those final races when the second driver has zero chance at the title is the most normal thing in the world. It happens in almost every major sport. No matter how much people try to prevent it, that's just how the game works. There is no "I" in team. 😉

I'm not going to spend my time hunting for them right now, but if you actually have an example where both drivers in the final race had a legitimate shot at the title, please feel free to share it so we can discuss. 😉
(And by that, I mean situations where one driver could have overtaken the other to clinch the championship, not those weird tactical scenarios where they just shuffle around 😉).

Ferrari pulled that move way back at the start of the 2002 season, and frankly, it felt totally unnecessary. Jean Todt famously remarked at the time, "Why should we risk losing the championship over 3 points? We'd look pretty foolish if we didn't act," which, considering how dominant their car was, felt like a massive understatement. We all know how 2002 wrapped up anyway... whether it was the driver shouting at the pit wall to let him through or the team making the call, does it even matter?

If you want a different perspective, check out Top Gear, Season 15, Episode 3. It’s worth seeing what Red Bull has to say about that whole incident. 😉

Maria Nelson2 said:They say there are 4,384,265 people 😁

of those? No thanks :P

Jason Campbell70 said:The reality is, just like in previous years, driver titles have been secured through direct team orders.

Sure, if we look back over the last 15 to 20 years, almost every single one of them—regardless of how much we might dislike the idea

was actually faster than their teammates. In certain seasons, they were absolutely dominant. But does that change the fact that most of those championships wouldn't have turned out the way they did without that privileged status?

Charles Martin78 said:😁

Things like this always manage to brighten my mood. You forgot to mention that his luckiest years were back when he was still a kid and actually had an extra day in the week just to work on car development 😛

As for Alonso, I'm right there with you.🙈

🤣🤣🤣🤣 🙏🙏🙏

redheron12 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7IiR6Mgwyk

Go ahead, watch the clip and tell me—did Button actually miss his chance with Hamilton?

Of course he let him through, just like how Massa let Alonso by earlier.
It’s pretty obvious if you listen closely—you can hear Hamilton essentially expecting Button NOT to overtake him on track. If that isn't a clear instance of team orders, then I don't know what is. It's like, "Is Button going to pass me? No, he won't." If that's not an order, then we might as well just throw the whole sport away, right?

The only real difference here is that at McLaren, they tend to handle these things quietly and discreetly. Meanwhile, the Ferrari crew has pulled this stunt publicly at least twice now, only to act like nothing even happened afterward.☕

I wonder why they haven't stepped in to ban those barcodes yet? 🤷

I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about Pilatus—specifically those incredible turboprops they build. There is just something about that level of precision engineering that feels almost lost in today's world of mass production, don't you think? It makes me wonder if we focus too much on sheer scale when we should be looking at the elegance of specialized design. It’s one of those things where quality isn't just a buzzword; it's the entire foundation of the machine. kaže:
And besides, you don't actually have to be standing right in front of the car to get it lowered.
Just like a mechanic over at Ferrari. ☕

Come on, let’s be reasonable here—enough with the nonsense. To actually pull that off, they’d need arms that were a mile long just to reach over the rubber. Let's stick to reality, shall we? Thanks for nothing. ☕

Betty Moore34 said:Does anyone actually remember what kind of penalty Ferrari took back in 2002? My memory is failing me on that one.

a million dollars
But that came straight from the WMSC... let's just wait and see what their ruling looks like this time.😉

redheron12 said:McLaren was slapped with a $100,000,000 fine for violating Article 151c—and they didn't even have Santander on board as a sponsor at the time.😁

In the grand scheme of things, actual industrial espionage is a much heavier charge than this situation, isn't it?
plus, we still haven't heard the official word from the World motorsport Council regarding this matter.😉

Ferrari has been slapped with a $100,000 fine, and the whole situation is being handed over to the World motorsport Council because of the damage done to the sport's reputation.

So, what does that actually mean? Well, I suppose there is more to come...

It feels a lot like what happened back in 2002, though the fine isn't quite as heavy this time. We'll just have to wait and see how the World motorsport Council decides to rule...

Mark Ruiz8 said:Well, you can't exactly draw those kinds of parallels right now.
I mean, you could, but we'd end up diving into some deep philosophy that would probably outgrow the scope of this PDF. 😉

🙂

Mark Ruiz8 said:I wouldn't go that far, though I guess those Italians can be pretty shady and evasive at times. 😬

plus, their coffee is pretty terrible 🤣

Mark Ruiz8 said:Where on earth did you find that?

It's actually listed on the pit pass now (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=41559), though I think it first popped up on Twitter.😉

Joseph Young57 said:Every Friday, but honestly, just take Formula 1 off this PDF because this kind of behavior is an absolute disgrace to the sport.

Wait, what am I supposed to remove from which PDF? 🤷

In case anyone was wondering, Ferrari has been called in before the stewards regarding a potential controversy involving their team orders ☕

Here you go, take a look at those Williams pit stops; even then, the mechanic still has to step back at least once, whereas the Ferrari crew doesn't have to ☕



The efficiency is just on another level, a completely different way of solving the problem ☕

Joseph Young57 said:It comes down to the sport itself.
And honestly, nothing bugs me more than those idiots who pull the whole "but everyone else does it, so why can't they?" excuse.☕

Why on earth would anyone act like such fools?
Would they really be fools if they didn't pull out every single tool in their arsenal just to clinch the title? I mean, when you think about it, isn't that exactly what greatness requires?

If we’re being completely honest with ourselves here—and I mean truly, brutally honest—Felipe Massa was sitting 31 points behind Fernando Alonso and roughly 80 points adrift of Lewis Hamilton. Looking at those numbers, can anyone really stand there, without a shred of embarrassment, and argue that Massa had any realistic shot at clinching the championship with a deficit like that? It just seems mathematically impossible, doesn't it?
It looks like Fernando Alonso is going to have a hell of a time trying to close that 34-point gap to Lewis Hamilton before the season wraps up, let alone actually snatching the championship away. As for Felipe Massa, honestly, it feels like an almost impossible mission at this stage.

Those people drawing comparisons back to 2002 are honestly barking up the wrong tree. Back then, MS had such a massive lead in the championship that it wouldn't have mattered if Red Bull had let him through or not. For anyone who caught the latest episode of Top Gear a couple of weeks ago, you probably heard the actual truth about what went down—something that certain analysts clearly haven't bothered to grasp. It wasn't even a case of Red Bull needing to let him past on that final lap; the real story is that the team was locked in this heated argument with the pit wall for the last eight laps. It only happened because they finally pulled rank and issued a threat to him... though I won't say exactly what that threat was.
At the end of the day, it really comes down to the championship hunt. It’s perfectly understandable why they made that move, regardless of whether you think it was fair or not. Money moves the needle in this world, doesn't it? ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:With the Williams hydraulic jacks, the front mechanic wasn't supposed to stand directly in front of the car during the descent either; they stayed to the side.😉

So, this Ferrari solution follows the Williams blueprint, with one major catch: the actual lifting is still left to the mechanics' muscles, since machine-assisted lifting is strictly against the rules.

He wasn't really "off to the side" if the lift was positioned vertically, forcing him to reach out with his arms fully extended just to touch it.
The Ferrari guy doesn't even have to struggle; he can just pivot the lift toward himself and maybe even sip a beer with one hand while adjusting the jack with the other. 😉

Good grief, a 2.9-second pit stop for tires... 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Is anyone else seeing this? It seems like absolutely nobody is talking about it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85532